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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
If you are referring to me as an alt-ID, I assure you I am not. Just because I haven't been here in a while and haven't posted prolifically here doesn't mean I am not aware of Lauren and her history. I'm sorry, but when someone who gloats when another person's mom dies or wishes death on a premature baby, they deserve to be called out for what they are. Lauren's deplorable reputation precedes her, and I'm not going to ignore her awful behavior. You're assuming I'm Lauren. That's what Zinger is referring to with the Lauren/notLauren. I think you're a piece of shit regardless of what your name is and I feel no need to call you by any name other than the one in your avatar. But then, I also don't have a need to post about you on every thread I see you just to tell you you're a piece of shit. You seem to get some kind of perverse jollies by calling me the name of a pea you don't like and calling me names on threads just because you can. Go for it. But most people here are tired of the few of you who can't seem to let it go. In true Lauren fashion!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 22, 2018 22:15:00 GMT
They don't hold the person longer than they are legally obligated to do under city/state law. ...and it's because they are not obligated to do the federal government's work for them, nor do they necessarily have the jail space / time / funds to keep the person until ICE decides to get there to do THEIR job. Basically, the city is choosing to do what they are paid to do, not what the federal government would LIKE them to spend their time/$$ on. if someone is kept in a city / county jail for a week or two, or any period of time until ICE comes to collect them, who's going to pay the city back for the funds that were spent holding them? I don't believe (don't know for sure, but I don't think they do) the federal government pays the city for those expenses... I heard a news story about this a while ago; some town in Texas that was owed a LOT of $$$$$ because of this, and the city finally decided they weren't going to do ICE's job for them any longer because they literally did NOT have the money to do it, and weren't getting compensated for it.
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Post by slkone on Mar 22, 2018 22:19:40 GMT
If you are referring to me as an alt-ID, I assure you I am not. Just because I haven't been here in a while and haven't posted prolifically here doesn't mean I am not aware of Lauren and her history. I'm sorry, but when someone who gloats when another person's mom dies or wishes death on a premature baby, they deserve to be called out for what they are. Lauren's deplorable reputation precedes her, and I'm not going to ignore her awful behavior. You're assuming I'm Lauren. That's what Zinger is referring to with the Lauren/notLauren. I think you're a piece of shit regardless of what your name is and I feel no need to call you by any name other than the one in your avatar. But then, I also don't have a need to post about you on every thread I see you just to tell you you're a piece of shit. You seem to get some kind of perverse jollies by calling me the name of a pea you don't like and calling me names on threads just because you can. Go for it. But most people here are tired of the few of you who can't seem to let it go. Please tell me how you came to find this obscure corner of the internet, "lovetocolor?" Were you referred here by a member? Who? Were you tired of coloring in your coloring book and you sat down in front of your keyboard and just happened to randomly string together and Google the characters "NSBR" in that particular order? Did you just randomly type in "two peas" and "refugees" and magically find yourself on this message board? You're fooling no one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 22:27:50 GMT
On one hand, yes, if they are strictly following city/state laws and they can no longer legally detain the person, then they should be released. If they want to be accomodating, then on the other hand, they should hold the person and wait for ICE. But I sometimes read that the local agencies don't want to do ICE's job. And there is the issue of holding a person without a warrant. It is very complicated and I don't see this as black and white. Is notifying ICE that a criminal is about to be released from jail really doing ICE's job though, or just an excuse not to comply with immigration laws? Serious question. Good question Gia. 🤔
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Mar 22, 2018 22:55:40 GMT
You're assuming I'm Lauren. That's what Zinger is referring to with the Lauren/notLauren. I think you're a piece of shit regardless of what your name is and I feel no need to call you by any name other than the one in your avatar. But then, I also don't have a need to post about you on every thread I see you just to tell you you're a piece of shit. You seem to get some kind of perverse jollies by calling me the name of a pea you don't like and calling me names on threads just because you can. Go for it. But most people here are tired of the few of you who can't seem to let it go. In true Lauren fashion! Yep! In that last post, if there were any doubt remaining that lovetocolor is Lauren she just eliminated it.
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Post by lbrock44 on Mar 22, 2018 23:08:54 GMT
I hear there is a huge sale on vodka at the liquor store in the same strip mall as the discount lawyer's office in Binghamton. I'm just sayin'.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 22, 2018 23:20:22 GMT
I hear there is a huge sale on vodka at the liquor store in the same strip mall as the discount lawyer's office in Binghamton. I'm just sayin'. Lol!! 😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 22, 2018 23:24:23 GMT
When people find it necessary to bring up sanctuary cities or mayors warning residents about ICE raids, their argument does nothing to explain why people are making excuses for a young, white terrorist.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 22, 2018 23:57:30 GMT
Can you cite an example of when that has been done in the past? I'd like the know the basis for your statement. SaveSaveI've already stated one earlier in this thread. You are comparing this young white man, who intentionally set out to kill and terrorize people, with illegal aliens? That example proves exactly what the OP is saying. Statistics are our friend. Between 1982 and 2018, 56 out of 97 mass shootings were initiated by white shooters; 16 by black, 7 by Latino, 7 by Asian, 3 Native American and 8 other. The truth is, white supremacists will always blame anyone other than whites. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 0:02:43 GMT
When you read a comment like this, there is only one thing to say and that is.. Liar liar pants on fire.... I get that people are unhappy with sanctuary cities/states. But before one bad mouth them one should at least get the facts right. Because comments like this do nothing but slam all law enforcement officials in these areas. They don’t deserve that from anyone, especially ill informed folks. Care to enlighten me...what exactly is a sanctuary city/state and why are people unhappy with sanctuary cities/states? What are the facts? I'm interested in your take on it.
Based on posts after the one above I think you have a pretty good idea of how various people see sanctuary cities and what they do or don’t do. Living in the San Francisco Bay Area I’m surrounded by sanctuary cities and until trump was elected president I was pretty ambivalent about them. On one hand I was annoyed that these folks were breaking the law by coming here illegally and on more than one occasion I heard some of the more activists ones claim it was their right to be here. And on the other hand I was annoyed because the feds didn’t fully enforce the 86 Immigration Reform Act especially since I remembered the government telling us they solved the problem. But time passes and trump was elected president and started these indiscriminate sweeps of undocumented folks. In some cases tearing apart families. It was then that it hit me that we have been allowing these folks to stay in this country for decades. And by not enforcing the employer mandate of the law we aided them in breaking the law. So while I want this issue resolved, there is a right way and a wrong way of doing it and trump is doing it the wrong way. That is made me look at sanctuary cities differently. And I now find myself defending them. That is why when those who take great delight in slamming sanctuary cities/states with misinformation I say something. And this notion that cops in sanctuary cities/states will not hold someone who committed a crime if the are undocumented is just not true. San Francico 2008 a undocumented gang member of the M-13 gang killed a father and 2 of his sons. Mistaken identity. He is now serving three life sentences. While the shooter was undocumented, the guy in the car with him, another gang member, was a US citizen. This was a case of gang violence not undocumented folks gone wild. Gang violence, something that happens a lot in this country unfortunately. The undocumented shooter was not released by the police. Below is a good description of what I understand sanctuary cities do. “I think there is widespread misunderstanding about what sanctuary cities are. In general, all the designation of “sanctuary city” means is that local law enforcement officials are given instructions not to assist immigration officials in apprehending illegal immigrants who are not crime suspects (aside from the crime of crossing the border illegally). Sanctuary cities are not, in fact, violating any law by establishing this policy. Enforcement of immigration law is the responsibility of federal and not local officials. Any help that local police might give is extended to ICE as a courtesy, and sanctuary cities have simply chosen not expend their local police resources on that courtesy. Local police are, of course, always responsible for investigating and arresting people suspected of committing crimes in their area so no, sanctuary cities are not protecting violent criminals. “
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Post by louisamay on Mar 23, 2018 0:20:11 GMT
I'm getting more and more suspicious that the posts from something called "Love to Color" are Russian bots. These posts reveal a total ignorance of American history and what we learn even in junior high school. I can't believe Trump supporters are this ignorant. These posts are almost identical to what appeared on Facebook and are now bringing Zuckerberg to Congressional testimony. These are the posts that caused Facebook stock to lose millions when they were uncovered as bots, and they sounded just like the posts I'm seeing on this thread.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 23, 2018 0:26:50 GMT
Care to enlighten me...what exactly is a sanctuary city/state and why are people unhappy with sanctuary cities/states? What are the facts? I'm interested in your take on it.
Do you live in the US? I'm going to assume you don't since I cannot imagine anyone in this country not knowing what these things are. Sanctuary cities and states tout themselves as havens for illegal immigrants and adopt a policy of not assisting the Federal government, in any way, with identifying, arresting, holding or deporting those who are in this country illegally. They are literally a "sanctuary" for people who either sneak into this country illegally or illegally overstay visas. I can guarantee you though, if anyone (illegal or not) set up a tent on the front lawn of the politicans, celebrities and liberals who are so in favor of allowing illegals to stay, they'd have a very big problem with it. Then again, maybe not since politicians and celebrities tend to have massive walls around their personal homes and armed guards to ensure they are safe. "sanctuary" means they are not personally affected in any way but everyone else should be more "tolerant" Do you live in the US? I'm going to assume you don't, because your definition of a sanctuary city is incorrect.
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Post by louisamay on Mar 23, 2018 1:11:59 GMT
Do you live in the US? I'm going to assume you don't, because your definition of a sanctuary city it incorrect. That's exactly what I mean about how these posts sound. I'm trying to find exact posts from fake U.S. accounts that were really Russians or automated bots to show how some are almost identical to this Love to Color whatever it is, bot or something else weird. In this search I came across something called RU-Clip, a Russian version of YouTube that our intelligence community knows about and Reddit mentioned somewhere. It spreads fake news. But WAIT Fox may pick up their latest tidbit that Nancy Pelosi (all 77 years of her) is having a steamy affair with Robert Mueller, also long in tooth. Can't wait for Saturday Night Live to get hold of that! I lost track of that video in English about Pelosi and Mueller in my searches but here's Google on RuCLIP: www.google.com/search?q=what+is+RU+Clip&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:21:23 GMT
Those really commenting on the complexities of sanctuary cities/immigration/poverty - thank you.
Those calling out how a post about a WHITE TERRORIST was derailed by discussing sanctuary city and federal/local enforcements and costs - thank you.
Those conflating a white terrorist who killed two innocent black men w/otherwise peaceable immigrants ---- THANK YOU (for adding weight to the premise that people would have been all over the bomber had he had a different skin color and/or religion).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:27:56 GMT
I'm getting more and more suspicious that the posts from something called "Love to Color" are Russian bots. Said the “something” that just signed up here recently.
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Post by eleezybeth on Mar 23, 2018 1:30:40 GMT
I'm always confused how people deny the racism in this country. The weak grasp of statistics to prove their ideologies. This isn't political, this is racism. Thank you all who try to your best to point it out. Lauren always showed herself to be racist. I'm wondering how a Russian bot would have such a grasp on the deplorability of the situation.
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Post by louisamay on Mar 23, 2018 2:56:39 GMT
I'm getting more and more suspicious that the posts from something called "Love to Color" are Russian bots. Said the “something” that just signed up here recently. Yes, I shouldn't have signed up here.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Mar 23, 2018 4:29:01 GMT
If the bomber was a Muslim or an illegal Immigrant, California or New York would be giving him sanctuary. ETA...or tipping him off when the police were closing in. STFU and go the fuck away
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Post by inkedup on Mar 23, 2018 5:03:19 GMT
If the bomber was a Muslim or an illegal Immigrant, California or New York would be giving him sanctuary. ETA...or tipping him off when the police were closing in. How nice that you decided to take a break from your "loving marriage", "many friends" and "full life" (that isn't in New York) to re-infect this place with the stench of your rotting, black soul.
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Post by Kelpea on Mar 23, 2018 11:38:35 GMT
One can argue ad naseum about OP’s original post, but she’s right. It takes only a few minutes to do an online search and comparison of how the media and public officials have described white v other shooters in this country.
Slight hijack but if you haven’t read The Hate U Give yet, you should. A fictional account from a teen girl’s perspective about watching a close friend shot to death by a cop, it delves into life of African American society, especially in the impoverished societies, and gives insight of how difficult it is to “escape” some of the very things yay destroy them, I.e., gangs, drugs, etc. It’s a stunning read.
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Post by not2peased on Mar 23, 2018 12:08:08 GMT
I don't know what's worse-that you believe this, or that you are dumb enough to say it. Eh, I don't think she's dumb. She's stirring the pot. Typical. you are right Hi Lauren!
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 23, 2018 13:44:01 GMT
Eh, someone already proved it was Lauren on another post. She's not fooling anyone.
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Post by #notLauren on Mar 23, 2018 14:07:30 GMT
I will never understand why it matters to any of you whether or not I am a Lauren. I find it amazing how some of you turn every thread I post on into a discussion of who I am/am not. There really is a sickness in you guys when an anonymous person on a message board consumes you to the point where every thread devolves into who that person is and whether that person is an anonymous person known as Lauren or an anonymous person known as someone else
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Post by MadamG2U on Mar 23, 2018 14:18:26 GMT
Wow just wow I live in NY And you would disagree? Cuomo and Bloomberg have rolled out the red carpet to illegals. I don't disagree, things here are not great but, you make it seem like we just don't care
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 23, 2018 14:58:56 GMT
I will never understand why it matters to any of you whether or not I am a Lauren. I find it amazing how some of you turn every thread I post on into a discussion of who I am/am not. There really is a sickness in you guys when an anonymous person on a message board consumes you to the point where every thread devolves into who that person is and whether that person is an anonymous person known as Lauren or an anonymous person known as someone else Because it's good to know who we're dealing with. You have a long history here. And you've always been the first to put down new posters, accuse people of being someone else, and jugular insults aimed to hurt posters because you know their histories. Believe me, however, no one is "consumed" by this. Please stop giving yourself that much credit.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 23, 2018 15:04:26 GMT
Regardless of federal statutes, I have no doubt that if Conditt had been a Muslim, not only would we have "terrorist" plastered all over the media and TV, we would have had an addendum to the travel ban by now.
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Post by #notLauren on Mar 23, 2018 15:23:19 GMT
I will never understand why it matters to any of you whether or not I am a Lauren. I find it amazing how some of you turn every thread I post on into a discussion of who I am/am not. There really is a sickness in you guys when an anonymous person on a message board consumes you to the point where every thread devolves into who that person is and whether that person is an anonymous person known as Lauren or an anonymous person known as someone else Because it's good to know who we're dealing with. You have a long history here. And you've always been the first to put down new posters, accuse people of being someone else, and jugular insults aimed to hurt posters because you know their histories. Believe me, however, no one is "consumed" by this. Please stop giving yourself that much credit. You are dealing with lovetocolor. That is who I am regardless of who you "think" I am. If you think I'm Lauren, deal with me as you would Lauren but the silly non-stop posts about "oh, I know it's Lauren. Or "hi Lauren" are childish and show that you are indeed consumed by it. If you weren't you wouldn't take the time to make such an issue of me being Lauren every time I post. ETA, here's a tip: you never "know who you're dealing with" on the internet or on anonymous boards. There are more than a few peas who discovered this to their detriment when Peas crossed the line into real life to destroy them. So stop believing you have some sense of security in knowing who any particular poster is. If you haven't met a poster personally, you don't know who you're dealing with. Now, can we get back to the actual topic of the thread rather than my identity?
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Post by Olan on Mar 23, 2018 15:25:45 GMT
Oh goody. We've now devolved into people commit violent crimes because 75 years ago other people they never knew were hung in horrible ways. Nope, not going to accept your attempt at excusing inexcusable behavior; or justifying it Black men are no more or less violent than white men. Society would only have you believe that so no one questions a man being shot 20 times in his own backyard. Society did the same thing when they lynched black men. The lie was usually perpetuated by white women like Lauren.
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Post by #notLauren on Mar 23, 2018 15:30:22 GMT
The studies and reports would show that your statement just isn't true, Olan. No one is saying black men are inherently more violent than white men; just that proportionately black men commit far more violent crimes than white men.
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Post by Olan on Mar 23, 2018 15:35:25 GMT
Right white men are more violent but less likely to be arrested. And when they do get arrested they don't get killed before booking even if they just shot up a church full of parishioners or a school full of children. "Today, the relationship between economics and racial violence still exists. For example, the Department of Justice (DOJ) completed a review of the Ferguson Police Department that revealed the police routinely harass black residents and exploit them as a source of revenue. “Many officers appear to see some residents, especially those who live in Ferguson’s predominately African American neighborhoods, less as constituents to be protected than as potential offenders and sources of revenue,” the report concluded. It found the disproportionate number of arrests, tickets, and use of force stemmed from “unlawful bias” rather than black people committing more crime. The DOJ report on Ferguson was met with widespread condemnation and surprise by the larger public. But, if we take the lessons from Wells seriously, we must always pay close attention to the dialectical relationship between anti-black violence and the accumulation of capital." Ida B. Wells article Remember that time I posted a study and everyone doubted the validity? Use those same critical thinking skills when someone tells you black men kill more people than anyone else save for the lone wolf who likes high powered weaponry or blowing up black people. Epigenetics as it relates to racial violence/school shootings would be a good trail to follow too.
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