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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 22:13:24 GMT
Yes, birth is much more medicalized in the US. The longer you stay and the more interventions you get, the more money they make. Countries with national health care, like yours, have no reason to keep a mother and baby longer then necessary. I had c-sections but am thankful that I was able to be in the hospital longer. I got a lot of much needed help with breastfeeding during those days. I wouldn’t have had that at home. We certainly don't go home in hours with a c section. You're only allowed home when you are medically fit to go home. We also get help with breast feeding at home by the midwife initially and then carried through by a health visitor. Although we might be home pretty soon after a straight forward birth with no complications we do continue to get medical attention and support. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 22:20:29 GMT
Princess Diana was the first to have a hospital birth, all the others were home births. found this article for youAnyone in the UK can have a home birth even now if they so wish, provided their Doctor approves and there is no doubt about any possible complications.There were 696,271 live births in England and Wales in 2016 .2.1% were midwife led home births. Thanks for finding that article. I was surprise by the home VBAC until I went back and read again and realized about the home C/S... so I guess delivering as a royal can be quite different. And I think it is cool that Elizabeth did eventually push for Phillip attending a birth. But that was over 50 years ago.Probably very unusual even then. I'm pretty sure that is was very unlikely for any man to attend a birth that many years ago. |
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Post by lesserknownpea on Apr 23, 2018 23:05:16 GMT
The difference in body language just makes me sad |
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Post by gillyp on Apr 23, 2018 23:30:12 GMT
I had c-sections but am thankful that I was able to be in the hospital longer. I got a lot of much needed help with breastfeeding during those days. I wouldn’t have had that at home. C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. I had a section nearly 40 years ago and wasn’t allowed out of bed for 3 days and then baby and I were transferred to a lovely nursing home for a full week before we were able to go home. My DIL had a section 4 years ago and was home on the third day. So different over time. |
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Post by jayfab on Apr 24, 2018 0:37:53 GMT
that picture of Charlotte turning and waving as she goes into the hospital is adorable!  Goodness what a doll she is! I wonder if she's a little handful or just a ham? SaveSave |
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 24, 2018 5:05:50 GMT
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Post by gar on Apr 24, 2018 7:08:40 GMT
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Post by camcas on Apr 24, 2018 11:38:20 GMT
Hahahahahahahaha....gold!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 12:21:19 GMT
I had c-sections but am thankful that I was able to be in the hospital longer. I got a lot of much needed help with breastfeeding during those days. I wouldn’t have had that at home. C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. |
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Post by sueg on Apr 24, 2018 12:30:40 GMT
I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. With my first, I got far better help with breastfeeding from a support group after I left hospital than I got from anyone in the hospital - I actually called a friend from that group who I had worked with and asked her to visit me in hospital, I was getting so little support from the nurses. Also, in many other countries - like here in Germany - new mums get a midwife or maternal care nurse coming to visit them very regularly after they leave the hospital, so they get a lot of support with feeding and baby care in their own homes. |
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Post by mommastruedel on Apr 24, 2018 13:18:53 GMT
Does anyone think that her wearing the red dress like Diana hint that the name may pay homage to her? Maybe Spencer?
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Post by gar on Apr 24, 2018 13:19:26 GMT
C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. . In the UK you will get visits from Midwives/Health Visitors at home whether you’re discharged quickly or after a couple of days. |
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Post by gar on Apr 24, 2018 13:20:06 GMT
Does anyone think that her wearing the red dress like Diana hint that the name may pay homage to her? Maybe Spencer? Possibly. What do you mean by ‘maybe Spencer’ - as a name? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 13:22:50 GMT
I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. With my first, I got far better help with breastfeeding from a support group after I left hospital than I got from anyone in the hospital - I actually called a friend from that group who I had worked with and asked her to visit me in hospital, I was getting so little support from the nurses. Also, in many other countries - like here in Germany - new mums get a midwife or maternal care nurse coming to visit them very regularly after they leave the hospital, so they get a lot of support with feeding and baby care in their own homes. Cool. Here, there are lactation consultants at the hospital and the nurses were knowledgeable as well. Home health nurses are available but I’m not sure how many people have them come after having a baby. It doesn’t seem like something people care for here. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 13:26:09 GMT
Does anyone think that her wearing the red dress like Diana hint that the name may pay homage to her? Maybe Spencer? Is it possible she just liked the dress? |
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Post by gillyp on Apr 24, 2018 14:17:28 GMT
Does anyone think that her wearing the red dress like Diana hint that the name may pay homage to her? Maybe Spencer? Good grief I hope not! I can’t see Spencer featuring in his names despite the family connection with William’s maternal side. Spencer is the first name of a minor British celebrity socialite who just happens to be the Duchess’s sister’s brother in law. I’m sounding snooty, I know but it just wouldn’t do!  |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 14:38:37 GMT
C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. The problem with this is it is a choice. Many people WANT to leave and should be allowed to do so. The longer you are in the hospital the more likely you and your baby are to receive unwanted, unconsented, unnecessary procedures. It shouldn’t be like prison with a minimum required stay. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 15:05:33 GMT
I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. The problem with this is it is a choice. Many people WANT to leave and should be allowed to do so. The longer you are in the hospital the more likely you and your baby are to receive unwanted, unconsented, unnecessary procedures. It shouldn’t be like prison with a minimum required stay. That’s a bit dramatic. Nobody is forced to stay in a hospital if they don’t want to, unless they are in a court ordered hold. |
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Post by bessieb on Apr 24, 2018 15:24:36 GMT
I think it all depends where you are in Uk- when I had my ds 14 years ago he was born after a traumatic Labour at 10 am, ( the dr and anaesthetist had been called at 6am to perform a c-section but didn’t actually arrive until after he was born) I
then had surgery to repair the 3rd degree tears but we were still discharged at 5pm when the shifts changed over because they were short of beds. That was a Friday and we didn’t see a midwife until the Tuesday.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 15:25:36 GMT
The problem with this is it is a choice. Many people WANT to leave and should be allowed to do so. The longer you are in the hospital the more likely you and your baby are to receive unwanted, unconsented, unnecessary procedures. It shouldn’t be like prison with a minimum required stay. That’s a bit dramatic. Nobody is forced to stay in a hospital if they don’t want to, unless they are in a court ordered hold. In practice that is not true. Your insurance company can refuse to pay for your hospital visit if you check yourself out. The hospital can threaten you with CPS if you attempt to check your child out. The hospital can threaten you with “you can leave, but you can’t take your baby.” In the US, healthcare is a for profit industry. The simple truth is the more procedures they do, the more money they make. Many things that are done to women and newborns are not at all necessary. |
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Post by mom26 on Apr 24, 2018 15:36:19 GMT
I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. I could not WAIT to leave the hospital. When I had my first ('84) you had to stay a minimum of 3 days and I HATED it. It never failed that I'd be woken up in the middle of the night for a blood draw or some other thing. Multiple times. Once, they woke me up to give me something to help me sleep. WTH. (Which earned them a WTF look as I was breastfeeding.) With my 2nd ('86), I only had to stay 24 hours. That was better, but still too long for me. I had home births for my last two. That was THE BEST. As for Kate, I adore her and and am so impressed she can wear heels so soon after. I could NOT do that, lol. She and William have the most beautiful children. I wonder if they'll have more or stop at 3? |
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Post by mom26 on Apr 24, 2018 15:38:03 GMT
That’s a bit dramatic. Nobody is forced to stay in a hospital if they don’t want to, unless they are in a court ordered hold. In practice that is not true. Your insurance company can refuse to pay for your hospital visit if you check yourself out. The hospital can threaten you with CPS if you attempt to check your child out. The hospital can threaten you with “you can leave, but you can’t take your baby.” In the US, healthcare is a for profit industry. The simple truth is the more procedures they do, the more money they make. Many things that are done to women and newborns are not at all necessary. ^^^All true.^^^ |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 15:41:55 GMT
I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. I could not WAIT to leave the hospital. When I had my first ('84) you had to stay a minimum of 3 days and I HATED it. It never failed that I'd be woken up in the middle of the night for a blood draw or some other thing. Multiple times. Once, they woke me up to give me something to help me sleep. WTH. (Which earned them a WTF look as I was breastfeeding.) With my 2nd ('86), I only had to stay 24 hours. That was better, but still too long for me. I had home births for my last two. That was THE BEST. As for Kate, I adore her and and am so impressed she can wear heels so soon after. I could NOT do that, lol. She and William have the most beautiful children. I wonder if they'll have more or stop at 3? I had home births, too. I’m terrified of having a hospital birth because it really does seem like a jail sentence to me. I’m perplexed by people who want to stay or advocate for longer stays. |
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Post by gillyp on Apr 24, 2018 15:42:06 GMT
I get what you are saying iamkristinl16 I think far more mothers would breastfeed in this country if there was more time taken over being shown how to do it and how to cope with problems. Despite our midwives giving daily home visits and being available to chat on the phone, it must be daunting for first time mothers, in particular, here, being discharged quite so quickly. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 24, 2018 15:43:17 GMT
C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. I realize that c-sections are different. My point is that if I had left the hospital sooner, I wouldn’t have had any help with breastfeeding. People who have vaginal births also benefit from the care and breastfeeding help that they get, even though it is for just a short time. If someone is leaving the hospital within hours it doesn’t seem like they would get nearly the care that you would get being in the hospital for even a day. My opinion is that there is a benefit to staying in the hospital as we do in the US. I wish that people would stop comparing Kate to Diana. It’s a little weird, IMO. But, I also don’t fully understand the level of gushing and admiration for the royal family, either. So what do I know. Countries with universal health care have a much different approach to postnatal care and support. After having my babies in Vancouver, the public health nurses visited us at home within 24 hours of hospital release. They continue to support you as much as needed whether through home visits or their clinics. |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 15:57:37 GMT
I get what you are saying iamkristinl16 I think far more mothers would breastfeed in this country if there was more time taken over being shown how to do it and how to cope with problems. Despite our midwives giving daily home visits and being available to chat on the phone, it must be daunting for first time mothers, in particular, here, being discharged quite so quickly. I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. |
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Post by gar on Apr 24, 2018 15:58:28 GMT
I could not WAIT to leave the hospital. When I had my first ('84) you had to stay a minimum of 3 days and I HATED it. It never failed that I'd be woken up in the middle of the night for a blood draw or some other thing. Multiple times. Once, they woke me up to give me something to help me sleep. WTH. (Which earned them a WTF look as I was breastfeeding.) With my 2nd ('86), I only had to stay 24 hours. That was better, but still too long for me. I had home births for my last two. That was THE BEST. As for Kate, I adore her and and am so impressed she can wear heels so soon after. I could NOT do that, lol. She and William have the most beautiful children. I wonder if they'll have more or stop at 3? I had home births, too. I’m terrified of having a hospital birth because it really does seem like a jail sentence to me. I’m perplexed by people who want to stay or advocate for longer stays. I’d imagine that for some people being around medical experts is reassuring |
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Post by lesserknownpea on Apr 24, 2018 17:03:33 GMT
I get what you are saying iamkristinl16 I think far more mothers would breastfeed in this country if there was more time taken over being shown how to do it and how to cope with problems. Despite our midwives giving daily home visits and being available to chat on the phone, it must be daunting for first time mothers, in particular, here, being discharged quite so quickly. I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. Absolutely this I have 4 grandchildren 3 and under. ALL 4 were breastfeeding well, and the hospital personnel were pushing bottle feeding and undermining breastfeeding. I was so shocked. And they were using heavy handed threatening language, and in one case refusing to let DD and the baby go home for an extra day and night. Even though it’s normal for breastfeeding babies to lose some of their birth weight, they tried to scare and intimidate these moms into allowing bottle supplements. One Nurse even said there’s no such thing as nipple confusion. I was livid. If it had happened with one baby, I’d think it was a fluke. But it happened with all four. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 17:10:27 GMT
I get what you are saying iamkristinl16 I think far more mothers would breastfeed in this country if there was more time taken over being shown how to do it and how to cope with problems. Despite our midwives giving daily home visits and being available to chat on the phone, it must be daunting for first time mothers, in particular, here, being discharged quite so quickly. I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. I have four kids and have had the same experience when I had all of them (encouragement with breastfeeding). However, like the person above me, I did have to be stern about not giving formula when my babies lost more than a certain Amount of weight after birth (I personally think that this is probably more common with c-section babies—partly because of the effect that c-sections can have on milk coming in, and partly because the mothers and babies ARE in the hospital longer and are monitored more closely. If they were at home the doctors and nurses wouldn’t be checking on them. That could be seen as a positive or a negative thing. Maybe our hospital is different, but it could also be that you have a biased view of what you think a hospital birth is like for many people. My point in saying anything was that staying in the hospital longer than a few hours can have some benefits, not to start an argument or make you “perplexed” about why someone might have a different opinion or experience than you. |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 18:06:43 GMT
I had home births, too. I’m terrified of having a hospital birth because it really does seem like a jail sentence to me. I’m perplexed by people who want to stay or advocate for longer stays. I’d imagine that for some people being around medical experts is reassuring That’s totally fine. My only point is that it should be a choice. |
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Goodness what a doll she is! I wonder if she's a little handful or just a ham?
