|
|
Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 18:08:45 GMT
I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. I have four kids and have had the same experience when I had all of them (encouragement with breastfeeding). However, like the person above me, I did have to be stern about not giving formula when my babies lost more than a certain Amount of weight after birth (I personally think that this is probably more common with c-section babies—partly because of the effect that c-sections can have on milk coming in, and partly because the mothers and babies ARE in the hospital longer and are monitored more closely. If they were at home the doctors and nurses wouldn’t be checking on them. That could be seen as a positive or a negative thing. Maybe our hospital is different, but it could also be that you have a biased view of what you think a hospital birth is like for many people. My point in saying anything was that staying in the hospital longer than a few hours can have some benefits, not to start an argument or make you “perplexed” about why someone might have a different opinion or experience than you. My response was because I didn’t like you attacking her choice to leave early. And I don’t think you have an accurate view that women aren’t forced to do thing in a hospital setting or that they aren’t forced to stay in a hospital setting. |
|
peppermintpatty
Pearl Clutcher
Refupea #1345
Posts: 4,209 
|
Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 24, 2018 18:13:21 GMT
I left less than 24 hours after having my 2nd. My only requirement was I had to take him to the ped a few days later for a checkup. No problem. Couldn't get out of there fast enough! 3 days with my dd was hell and I never wanted to do that again unless I had a private room, which I didn't. One of my roommates (had 3 over 3 days) with my dd was a 15 year old whose boyfriend was upset because her stomach wasn't flat when they brought her into the room after delivering and then she tried to get me to go outside for a smoke in the middle of the night. Um no, I don't smoke and I would prefer that you didn't. Another one was a complete bitch who couldn't even be bothered to be civil.
|
|
|
|
Post by Zee on Apr 24, 2018 18:21:31 GMT
That’s a bit dramatic. Nobody is forced to stay in a hospital if they don’t want to, unless they are in a court ordered hold. In practice that is not true. Your insurance company can refuse to pay for your hospital visit if you check yourself out. The hospital can threaten you with CPS if you attempt to check your child out. The hospital can threaten you with “you can leave, but you can’t take your baby.” In the US, healthcare is a for profit industry. The simple truth is the more procedures they do, the more money they make. Many things that are done to women and newborns are not at all necessary. Like what things are done to newborns and moms, that you deem unnecessary and claim are done without consent? Doctors and nurses are there to save your life and prevent preventable problems, not line their pockets. How insulting. I've never done anything to a patient without their consent. And when you enter a hospital, you agree to consent to treatment by signing a paper. You are correct that if a patient leaves AMA insurance can refuse to pay, but that's on the insurance company rather than the hospital, isn't it? They need some way to protect themselves if a patient rips out his IV and decides a cigarette is more important than his heart attack, so he's not getting officially discharged if he's refusing to follow medical advice. Usually it's not that extreme and I don't know any nurse that would prefer to deal with CPS and keep a baby from its mother just for shits and giggles. That's a lot of time and effort and paperwork so there had better be a good reason. |
|
|
|
Post by Zee on Apr 24, 2018 18:24:25 GMT
And I have never had an anti-breastfeeding experience. Quite the opposite, I was hounded by everyone to keep trying and keep trying even when it clearly wasn't working.
|
|
|
|
Post by myshelly on Apr 24, 2018 18:29:06 GMT
In practice that is not true. Your insurance company can refuse to pay for your hospital visit if you check yourself out. The hospital can threaten you with CPS if you attempt to check your child out. The hospital can threaten you with “you can leave, but you can’t take your baby.” In the US, healthcare is a for profit industry. The simple truth is the more procedures they do, the more money they make. Many things that are done to women and newborns are not at all necessary. Like what things are done to newborns and moms, that you deem unnecessary and claim are done without consent? Doctors and nurses are there to save your life and prevent preventable problems, not line their pockets. How insulting. I've never done anything to a patient without their consent. And when you enter a hospital, you agree to consent to treatment by signing a paper. You are correct that if a patient leaves AMA insurance can refuse to pay, but that's on the insurance company rather than the hospital, isn't it? They need some way to protect themselves if a patient rips out his IV and decides a cigarette is more important than his heart attack, so he's not getting officially discharged if he's refusing to follow medical advice. Usually it's not that extreme and I don't know any nurse that would prefer to deal with CPS and keep a baby from its mother just for shits and giggles. That's a lot of time and effort and paperwork so there had better be a good reason. We are never going to agree on this topic so I’m not sure it’s worth discussing. You’re a nurse (but I think you’re outside the US, I could be wrong). I believe doctors and nurses are just as likely to harm you as the are to help you and hospitals are only for life or death moments. Not for birth. In the US hospitals are for profit businesses. There are all kinds of studies showing higher rates of unnecessary procedures at for profit hospitals. |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 19:40:14 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. My point in saying anything was that staying in the hospital longer than a few hours can have some benefits, not to start an argument or make you “perplexed” about why someone might have a different opinion or experience than you. But you make it sound, whether it's unintentional or not, that we are missing out on a level of care by going home early. We're not, the medical backup and care is in place so there is no reason for anyone, with a straight forward vaginal birth, to stay in a hospital environment.They also wouldn't make you leave if you were not ready too. Encouragement, teaching and help is given to a new mother if they choose to breastfeed both before they leave hospital, it's normally not less than six hours after the birth, and as soon as you get home. You are also supported if it is the mother's choice not to. The same level of care is there in both countries it is just administered differently. |
|
|
|
Post by mustlovecats on Apr 24, 2018 18:41:14 GMT
I could not WAIT to leave the hospital. When I had my first ('84) you had to stay a minimum of 3 days and I HATED it. It never failed that I'd be woken up in the middle of the night for a blood draw or some other thing. Multiple times. Once, they woke me up to give me something to help me sleep. WTH. (Which earned them a WTF look as I was breastfeeding.) With my 2nd ('86), I only had to stay 24 hours. That was better, but still too long for me. I had home births for my last two. That was THE BEST. As for Kate, I adore her and and am so impressed she can wear heels so soon after. I could NOT do that, lol. She and William have the most beautiful children. I wonder if they'll have more or stop at 3? I had home births, too. I’m terrified of having a hospital birth because it really does seem like a jail sentence to me. I’m perplexed by people who want to stay or advocate for longer stays. My two nights in hospital after my births were so lovely. I had a comfortable private room, my husband with me, and a lot of help from nurses and lactation consultant who understood how to help me. At home I didn’t have any support except my husband, breast-feeding was hard, and I appreciated the bit of respite after tiring long labor experiences. For us, staying in the hospital meant that we had a bit of expertise around us for the first couple of days, and people who were kind to us and helped us with our needs. I really appreciated that time in the hospital and remember it fondly as a gentle introduction into motherhood. I’m too old to have more babies now, but if I did I imagine I would enjoy the same treatment that I received. I know that not all hospitals are as accommodating as the one in which I gave birth, but it wasn’t even a special hospital just a small community facility. I would want this over and over again every time. I like options and think we should have many of them, especially in significant life moments like childbirth. |
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 18:48:27 GMT
I have four kids and have had the same experience when I had all of them (encouragement with breastfeeding). However, like the person above me, I did have to be stern about not giving formula when my babies lost more than a certain Amount of weight after birth (I personally think that this is probably more common with c-section babies—partly because of the effect that c-sections can have on milk coming in, and partly because the mothers and babies ARE in the hospital longer and are monitored more closely. If they were at home the doctors and nurses wouldn’t be checking on them. That could be seen as a positive or a negative thing. Maybe our hospital is different, but it could also be that you have a biased view of what you think a hospital birth is like for many people. My point in saying anything was that staying in the hospital longer than a few hours can have some benefits, not to start an argument or make you “perplexed” about why someone might have a different opinion or experience than you. My response was because I didn’t like you attacking her choice to leave early. And I don’t think you have an accurate view that women aren’t forced to do thing in a hospital setting or that they aren’t forced to stay in a hospital setting. I didn’t attack her choice to leave early. People were commenting about how horrible it is that people have to stay longer in the Us, and I stated that I was thankful that I was able to stay longer because of the help that I got with breastfeeding and other things. I was pointing out that there can be benefits to staying longer as well. You were rude when you said “I am perplexed by people advocating longer stays” and showed that you are not able to see another persons point of view in this. I agree that staying or not should be a choice, but was saying that there can be good reasons for staying, not just negatives. I also agree with ZG—I have never had “procedures” done to or for me and my baby that I wasn’t aware of or that weren’t needed. Prior to my first c-section I was in labor for a long time. The nurses were very helpful and supportive. After the c-sections the nurses helped me walk, get to the bathroom, prop myself up if needed, gave me my meds, took my temp and otherwise made me feel that I and my babies were taken care of. Bad things can happen during home births, just as they can at a hospital. |
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 24, 2018 19:01:52 GMT
My point in saying anything was that staying in the hospital longer than a few hours can have some benefits, not to start an argument or make you “perplexed” about why someone might have a different opinion or experience than you. But you make it sound, whether it's unintentional or not, that we are missing out on a level of care by going home early. We're not, the medical backup and care is in place so there is no reason for anyone, with a straight forward vaginal birth, to stay in a hospital environment.They also wouldn't make you leave if you were not ready too. Encouragement, teaching and help is given to a new mother if they choose to breastfeed both before they leave hospital, it's normally not less than six hours after the birth, and as soon as you get home. You are also supported if it is the mother's choice not to. The same level of care is there in both countries it is just administered differently. I understand that there is follow up with professionals when giving birth in the UK. My comment was primarily made in response to people saying that it was horrible to have to stay in the hospital. I was showing the flip-side to that. However, I personally would prefer having the care be readily available to me (as it is at the hospital) rather than just on the schedule that the visiting nurses have. Not everyone has to agree with that. |
|
|
|
Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 24, 2018 19:01:59 GMT
I get what you are saying iamkristinl16 I think far more mothers would breastfeed in this country if there was more time taken over being shown how to do it and how to cope with problems. Despite our midwives giving daily home visits and being available to chat on the phone, it must be daunting for first time mothers, in particular, here, being discharged quite so quickly. I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. I totally disagree - I had two babies in two different states than Kristin and both encouraged breastfeeding - some would even argue to the point of making those who made other choices guilty (a common discussion in various mothers groups I was a part of at the time). |
|
|
|
Post by mom26 on Apr 24, 2018 19:34:27 GMT
I think Kristin had a unique experience though. Hospitals are more likely to push formula than actually help with breastfeeding. I totally disagree - I had two babies in two different states than Kristin and both encouraged breastfeeding - some would even argue to the point of making those who made other choices guilty (a common discussion in various mothers groups I was a part of at the time). I think it depends on what nurses you get and that may just be luck of the draw. With my 1st hospital birth, breastfeeding was somewhat encouraged. More by some nurses than others. With my 2nd, breastfeeding was NOT encouraged at all. One nurse was actually quite hostile about it. Same hospital, two years apart. ETA: My DD had the same experience with her first (as well as unnecessary medical procedures done). She chose homebirths for her two subsequent births. |
|
|
|
Post by Zee on Apr 24, 2018 19:51:32 GMT
Like what things are done to newborns and moms, that you deem unnecessary and claim are done without consent? Doctors and nurses are there to save your life and prevent preventable problems, not line their pockets. How insulting. I've never done anything to a patient without their consent. And when you enter a hospital, you agree to consent to treatment by signing a paper. You are correct that if a patient leaves AMA insurance can refuse to pay, but that's on the insurance company rather than the hospital, isn't it? They need some way to protect themselves if a patient rips out his IV and decides a cigarette is more important than his heart attack, so he's not getting officially discharged if he's refusing to follow medical advice. Usually it's not that extreme and I don't know any nurse that would prefer to deal with CPS and keep a baby from its mother just for shits and giggles. That's a lot of time and effort and paperwork so there had better be a good reason. We are never going to agree on this topic so I’m not sure it’s worth discussing. You’re a nurse (but I think you’re outside the US, I could be wrong). I believe doctors and nurses are just as likely to harm you as the are to help you and hospitals are only for life or death moments. Not for birth. In the US hospitals are for profit businesses. There are all kinds of studies showing higher rates of unnecessary procedures at for profit hospitals. So you have no examples and won't discuss it. Ok. Yes I'm in the US. Not all hospitals are for profit, but they do have to make profits to stay open. Your assertions that newborns are routinely subjected to unnecessary procedures without consent just to make a buck are completely fear based, not fact based. |
|
AmandaA
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,502
|
Post by AmandaA on Apr 24, 2018 20:16:31 GMT
As a nurse with a background in NICU and years spent in case management & patient safety, I had a very heated response all typed out and thought better of it. Zee put it much better than I would have. |
|
|
|
Post by lesserknownpea on Apr 25, 2018 0:56:46 GMT
As a nurse with a background in NICU and years spent in case management & patient safety, I had a very heated response all typed out and thought better of it. Zee put it much better than I would have. I meant no disrespect to the fine medical professionals who work so hard and devotedly caring for moms and babies. 4 if my 8 grandchildren were born c section, and two were preemie NICU babies. I am very grateful for every bit of good care received. But I have seen and also personally experienced situations where personal opinion, convenience, or “cover your ass by every test and intervention possible” has inflicted unwanted procedures, extra time in hospital, and forcing moms to supplement breastfeeding. One stopped breastfeeding because he liked the easy bottle better. One had a very well researched and strong minded Dad who went toe to toe with the people who came to their room while the healthy baby was contentedly nursing, literally threatening to take the baby away from them and give her a bottle of formula. I was standing right there. I was so proud of my son for his calm diplomatic, but firm behavior. DIL was in no way in any shape to deal with that. I’m pretty sure this was a CYA situation. It was mentioned upthread that if you sign your papers as you enter, you have consented to whatever they think is best. ZG mentioned people pushing BF on her past where she felt comfortable. Not ok either, in my book. What I’ve been seeing is moms being told breast is best, and then in many cases, having the process sabotaged by the very people who are “helping”. Supplementing with a bottle leaves the baby full, so they don’t do the vigorous sucking needed to establish a good milk supply. And yes, if they get a breast and a bottle, they likely will start preferring the bottle because it’s easier. When you add in the fact that you can pick up infection in hospital, and sometimes mistakes are made, ( I’ve seen those too!), some women feel better at home as soon as they can. Some women feel cared for and rested in the hospital. Their opinion is valid too. |
|
|
|
Post by scrapApea on Apr 25, 2018 1:25:21 GMT
Wow, how fast. She is amazing. And then walk out of the hospital an hr later? I suck at pregnancy. Even though she's a royal and gets all the perks, hairdresser etc, Even that wouldn't have helped me!! HA!! Oh my gosh yeah. I got a rash on my face and looked like death. I couldn't believe she left. She looks like she was never pregnant. Perhaps a true stork delivery there. My mind is truly boggled by this. I see this morning she's going in and then before my 8 hour day is up she's leaving the hospital looking like a million bucks.  |
|
AmandaA
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,502
|
Post by AmandaA on Apr 25, 2018 2:25:25 GMT
As a nurse with a background in NICU and years spent in case management & patient safety, I had a very heated response all typed out and thought better of it. Zee put it much better than I would have. I meant no disrespect to the fine medical professionals who work so hard and devotedly caring for moms and babies. 4 if my 8 grandchildren were born c section, and two were preemie NICU babies. I am very grateful for every bit of good care received. But I have seen and also personally experienced situations where personal opinion, convenience, or “cover your ass by every test and intervention possible” has inflicted unwanted procedures, extra time in hospital, and forcing moms to supplement breastfeeding. One stopped breastfeeding because he liked the easy bottle better. One had a very well researched and strong minded Dad who went toe to toe with the people who came to their room while the healthy baby was contentedly nursing, literally threatening to take the baby away from them and give her a bottle of formula. I was standing right there. I was so proud of my son for his calm diplomatic, but firm behavior. DIL was in no way in any shape to deal with that. I’m pretty sure this was a CYA situation. It was mentioned upthread that if you sign your papers as you enter, you have consented to whatever they think is best. ZG mentioned people pushing BF on her past where she felt comfortable. Not ok either, in my book. What I’ve been seeing is moms being told breast is best, and then in many cases, having the process sabotaged by the very people who are “helping”. Supplementing with a bottle leaves the baby full, so they don’t do the vigorous sucking needed to establish a good milk supply. And yes, if they get a breast and a bottle, they likely will start preferring the bottle because it’s easier. When you add in the fact that you can pick up infection in hospital, and sometimes mistakes are made, ( I’ve seen those too!), some women feel better at home as soon as they can. Some women feel cared for and rested in the hospital. Their opinion is valid too. That was not directed at you. I proudly defend my profession and my colleagues, but am not naive enough to think that everyone is perfect... nor is there a one size fits all approach to care. Having had three kids of my own, I had my fair share of interactions that I wasn't 100% pleased with either. We all are human and both "sides" sometimes can forget that. However, I will take issue with claims that are made suggesting that medical staff would intentionally cause harm or pursue a plan of care driven solely by profit. That has never been my experience and I think that is an unfortunate agenda to push. And that was why I chimed in after Z*g. |
|
|
|
Post by Zee on Apr 25, 2018 2:32:30 GMT
I meant no disrespect to the fine medical professionals who work so hard and devotedly caring for moms and babies. 4 if my 8 grandchildren were born c section, and two were preemie NICU babies. I am very grateful for every bit of good care received. But I have seen and also personally experienced situations where personal opinion, convenience, or “cover your ass by every test and intervention possible” has inflicted unwanted procedures, extra time in hospital, and forcing moms to supplement breastfeeding. One stopped breastfeeding because he liked the easy bottle better. One had a very well researched and strong minded Dad who went toe to toe with the people who came to their room while the healthy baby was contentedly nursing, literally threatening to take the baby away from them and give her a bottle of formula. I was standing right there. I was so proud of my son for his calm diplomatic, but firm behavior. DIL was in no way in any shape to deal with that. I’m pretty sure this was a CYA situation. It was mentioned upthread that if you sign your papers as you enter, you have consented to whatever they think is best. ZG mentioned people pushing BF on her past where she felt comfortable. Not ok either, in my book. What I’ve been seeing is moms being told breast is best, and then in many cases, having the process sabotaged by the very people who are “helping”. Supplementing with a bottle leaves the baby full, so they don’t do the vigorous sucking needed to establish a good milk supply. And yes, if they get a breast and a bottle, they likely will start preferring the bottle because it’s easier. When you add in the fact that you can pick up infection in hospital, and sometimes mistakes are made, ( I’ve seen those too!), some women feel better at home as soon as they can. Some women feel cared for and rested in the hospital. Their opinion is valid too. That was not directed at you. I proudly defend my profession and my colleagues, but am not naive enough to think that everyone is perfect... nor is there a one size fits all approach to care. Having had three kids of my own, I had my fair share of interactions that I wasn't 100% pleased with either. We all are human and both "sides" sometimes can forget that. However, I will take issue with claims that are made suggesting that medical staff would intentionally cause harm or pursue a plan of care driven solely by profit. That has never been my experience and I think that is an unfortunate agenda to push. And that was why I chimed in after Z*g. And I agree with you. Certainly mistakes happen in a profession that relies on humans, but to say that medical professionals routinely do unnecessary things to babies (or adults!) without consent just to drive profits is just plain wrong and an insult to all of us who work in health care. I would never in a million years do that. |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 19:40:14 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 5:29:39 GMT
In this discussion it seems to be forgotten that the royals in the hospital do create drama for other patients who may not enjoy the paparazzi and crowds collected at the door (not saying the royals like it either) But my guess is Kate and the baby's doctors are willing to make palace calls as needed. Prince George and Princess Charlotte can visit the new sibling without having to be taken through the paparazzi and crowds. I read a discussion somewhere that there was a newborn nanny to help for the first few months. It isn't like Kate is a typical middle/working class mom going home to wrangle three kids and a household by herself.
|
|
|
|
Post by pjaye on Apr 25, 2018 6:29:34 GMT
In this discussion it seems to be forgotten that the royals in the hospital do create drama for other patients who may not enjoy the paparazzi and crowds collected at the door You obviously didn't read all of the replies. That point wasn't forgotten at all, I said on page 2: |
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Aug 18, 2025 19:40:14 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 9:06:09 GMT
In this discussion it seems to be forgotten that the royals in the hospital do create drama for other patients who may not enjoy the paparazzi and crowds collected at the door (not saying the royals like it either) But my guess is Kate and the baby's doctors are willing to make palace calls as needed. Prince George and Princess Charlotte can visit the new sibling without having to be taken through the paparazzi and crowds. I read a discussion somewhere that there was a newborn nanny to help for the first few months. It isn't like Kate is a typical middle/working class mom going home to wrangle three kids and a household by herself. I agree that possibly she is in a position that a lot of other Mum's in the UK are not in. But having said that, it is quite the norm here for mothers to go home and we all seem to manage very well. It's just the way they do things here. Neither country is right or wrong it's just different. That is why the Brits ( mostly) on here are not surprised that she went home so early......it's normal!The dad is also entitled to 2 weeks paid paternity leave here too so the mother invariably does have someone at home with her to do the running around. |
|
joelise
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,649
|
Post by joelise on Apr 25, 2018 9:41:52 GMT
In this discussion it seems to be forgotten that the royals in the hospital do create drama for other patients who may not enjoy the paparazzi and crowds collected at the door (not saying the royals like it either) But my guess is Kate and the baby's doctors are willing to make palace calls as needed. Prince George and Princess Charlotte can visit the new sibling without having to be taken through the paparazzi and crowds. I read a discussion somewhere that there was a newborn nanny to help for the first few months. It isn't like Kate is a typical middle/working class mom going home to wrangle three kids and a household by herself. I agree that possibly she is in a position that a lot of other Mum's in the UK are not in. But having said that, it is quite the norm here for mothers to go home and we all seem to manage very well. It's just the way they do things here. Neither country is right or wrong it's just different. That is why the Brits ( mostly) on here are not surprised that she went home so early......it's normal!The dad is also entitled to 2 weeks paid paternity leave here too so the mother invariably does have someone at home with her to do the running around. I’ve not had children but I have been in hospital and although the NHS is a great thing for this country most people want to get off the busy crammed wards and back home as soon as possible. All my family and friends who have given birth said they didn’t get a minutes peace on the maternity ward and they were desperate to get home. Obviously this wasn’t an issue with the duchess, who unlike the vast majority of women in Britain had a private room! |
|
|
|
Post by pierkiss on Apr 25, 2018 10:36:15 GMT
I had c-sections but am thankful that I was able to be in the hospital longer. I got a lot of much needed help with breastfeeding during those days. I wouldn’t have had that at home. C-sections are different - it's major surgery (I had two c-sections also). Uncomplicated vaginal birth isn't surgery, though, and doesn't require a long hospital stay. I suspect the home visiting midwives in the UK also help with breastfeeding. Even with my sections, I was only in the hospital for a couple of days. They used to keep women up to a week. Wow. I’ve had 4 c-sections. For 3 if the 4 I stayed at the hospital for 5 days, I thought that was the norm. For the 4th I was in a different state, and they sent me home after 3 days (and I was so ready to get the hell out of there, long story). I thought it was so bizarre that they were making me leave so soon after a c. |
|
imsirius
Prolific Pea
Call it as I see it.
Posts: 7,661
Location: Floating in the black veil.
Jul 12, 2014 19:59:28 GMT
|
Post by imsirius on Apr 25, 2018 11:54:17 GMT
Only on peas could a post about a duchess turn into a breastfeeding/csection debate. I love you guys 😂😂😂😂😂
|
|
craftymom101
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,950
|
Post by craftymom101 on Apr 25, 2018 12:20:50 GMT
I was hoping a name would be announced today! Any news yet? I'm not seeing anything reported in the news.
|
|
QueenoftheSloths
Drama Llama
Member Since January 2004, 2,698 forum posts PeaNut Number: 122614 PeaBoard Title: StuckOnPeas
Posts: 5,955
|
Post by QueenoftheSloths on Apr 25, 2018 12:28:36 GMT
Only on peas could a post about a duchess turn into a breastfeeding/csection debate. I love you guys 😂😂😂😂😂 My thoughts exactly! |
|
|
|
Post by gar on Apr 25, 2018 12:36:05 GMT
I was hoping a name would be announced today! Any news yet? I'm not seeing anything reported in the news. I'm just watching the main lunchtime news and no mention  |
|
|
|
Post by auntkelly on Apr 25, 2018 15:12:46 GMT
As much as I love to see pictures of the royals, those pictures of Princess Di and Princess Kate leaving the hospital dressed to the nines with a newborn baby in their arms, just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems so unnatural to me that a woman would want to get up hours after giving birth and have her hair and makeup done and put on heels and pose for the paparazzi. I hope both Princess Di and Princess Kate really wanted to bounce out of bed and show off their newborns in a designer dress. I also hope, though, that if a future princess ever feels like it is too much to have her hair and makeup done and appear before the paparazzi hours after giving birth, she won’t feel pressured to do so.
|
|
|
|
Post by gar on Apr 25, 2018 15:19:23 GMT
As much as I love to see pictures of the royals, those pictures of Princess Di and Princess Kate leaving the hospital dressed to the nines with a newborn baby in their arms, just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems so unnatural to me that a woman would want to get up hours after giving birth and have her hair and makeup done and put on heels and pose for the paparazzi. I hope both Princess Di and Princess Kate really wanted to bounce out of bed and show off their newborns in a designer dress. I also hope, though, that if a future princess ever feels like it is too much to have her hair and makeup done and appear before the paparazzi hours after giving birth, she won’t feel pressured to do so. It’s part of the job unfortunately. |
|
|
|
Post by lesserknownpea on Apr 25, 2018 19:15:11 GMT
As much as I love to see pictures of the royals, those pictures of Princess Di and Princess Kate leaving the hospital dressed to the nines with a newborn baby in their arms, just doesn’t seem right to me. It seems so unnatural to me that a woman would want to get up hours after giving birth and have her hair and makeup done and put on heels and pose for the paparazzi. I hope both Princess Di and Princess Kate really wanted to bounce out of bed and show off their newborns in a designer dress. I also hope, though, that if a future princess ever feels like it is too much to have her hair and makeup done and appear before the paparazzi hours after giving birth, she won’t feel pressured to do so. It’s part of the job unfortunately. Yes. And it heads the paparazzi off at the pass. By posing and offering photo ops so soon, it takes away the awful stalking to “be the first” to get pics. Now they can go home and enjoy their son. I must say, even with hair and makeup help, she looks great! I always had a swollen face and dark circles under my eyes. |
|
|
|
Post by gar on Apr 25, 2018 19:22:41 GMT
And it heads the paparazzi off at the pass. By posing and offering photo ops so soon, it takes away the awful stalking to “be the first” to get pics. Now they can go home and enjoy their son. Exactly  |
|
