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Post by dewryce on May 7, 2018 17:30:16 GMT
If he didn’t do anything wrong and can actually tell the truth then there isn’t any risk. I think their 'argument' is that the investigators could (somehow) 'force' trump into answering questions with lies- not that he MEANT to lie, of course, but that they could 'coerce' him INTO lying or they could confuse him sooooo much with their legalese that he misstates something-- at least that's how I've interpreted some of the conservative's reticence. The big, bad investigators would confuse meek, mild Donald Trump so, so much that he'd say something incriminating just because they 'got' him to do it. In other words, the President of the United States is not intelligent enough to understand the questions and therefore may answer incorrectly, is easily coerced, and/or is not able to withstand questioning while remaining honest. Geee, that's not concerning at all. And just bolsters my confidence in him beinga negotiator with North Korea and others. Is this really the defense the GOP and conservatives are going with? I was hoping I had missed a valid, legal argument for his not testifying. Not that they're concerned with his inability to cope and poor character.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 17:56:27 GMT
Greg Sargent...
“Also: New data show that the tax cut is vanishing from GOP messaging everywhere.
Multiple GOP primary candidates are mimicking Trump's authoritarianism.
The party of tax cuts has become the party of assaults on the rule of law designed to shield Trump from accountability:”
So low.
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Post by dewryce on May 7, 2018 18:08:11 GMT
They're right. I was just hoping they figured it out AFTER the midterms. Of course, in some places as sick as it is and as poorly is speaks of the voters, it helps to campaign as a Trump lackey.
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Post by Merge on May 7, 2018 18:15:40 GMT
Somebody I know - possibly one of you - posted the graphic in this article to FB. This page gives a detailed explanation of each of the pyramid levels. I would like to propose that we all do our best to limit our disagreements on this board to the top three lines of the pyramid. We may all recognize ourselves from time to time in the bottom tiers of the pyramid (I'll be the first to say that I'm guilty of responding to tone rather than substance, for example). But going forward, I'm going to do my best to hold myself to a higher standard. If we all do the same, I think it will keep the board less contentious while also maintaining a high level of discourse (that to me being an actual argument on the merits, which I find interesting and very necessary for the good of our country). I even think straight contradiction is fine. Without sass, name calling and stuff like that. I mean sometimes I jst want to say - “I’m not going to agree with you” without doing a research paper to support it. I don’t always have time to hunt down 3 supportive sources of documentation. But I’m not a journalist either I’m just here to chat on my lunch hour and I might not want to do a complete mini thesis to participate. Fair enough.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 7, 2018 18:42:07 GMT
I even think straight contradiction is fine. Without sass, name calling and stuff like that. I mean sometimes I jst want to say - “I’m not going to agree with you” ^^^ to be clear, hop2 said this, not merge. that's one thing- saying 'I'm not going to agree with you' is still stating YOUR opinion. But just saying 'you're wrong' or "lies" is something different, in my opinion. Statements like those are contradicting what's said (not as an opinion, but stated as fact) without giving any evidence to support your 'lies' or 'fake' claim.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 7, 2018 18:59:00 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on May 7, 2018 19:21:07 GMT
In other words, the President of the United States is not intelligent enough to understand the questions and therefore may answer incorrectly, is easily coerced, and/or is not able to withstand questioning while remaining hone I don't think this is a question? ?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:33:01 GMT
ABC News..,
“Melania Trump: "When children learn positive online behaviors early on, social media can be used in productive ways."
"It is our responsibility as adults to educate and remind them that...they must choose their words wisely and speak with respect and compassion."
I get that as First Lady she has to do something but how can anyone take her or her program seriously while she lives in the same house with the biggest social media bully around?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:39:46 GMT
Oh FFS.Our threads = threads started by us. Not threads where we are the only ones who can post, or threads where conservatives are expected to only respond with carefully chosen words that could not possibly upset anyone, and no disagreement or objections. You're really reaching to extrapolate that I said those are "liberals only" threads. Literally no one said, very specifically, to stay off liberal-started threads - as you claimed above. And if you actually read what I said on that thread instead of just picking out what you believe are the "gotcha" words, the context was an observation that conservatives were perfectly happy to have a thread just for them where they could bash us at will, without being challenged (which is what the conservative thread was doing at that time, and which continues to be the MO from time to time). There's nothing in that thread that implies the meaning you took from the simple word "our."
But then there's the line in the start of the conservative thread (which exists nowhere in the anti-Trump threads) that explicitly states that is for conservatives to discuss things amongst themselves. Later it was clarified that liberals are allowed only if they conform to a behavior standard that is not enforced for conservative members, as shown by the vile name-calling tolerated by your members toward us. Rather than call out your member for not following the behavior expectation, you all just encouraged her to stop responding to my posts, as if I was the problem. Maybe you all are afraid of having her ire turned on you? Not sure. You have told me before that you will post what you want, where you want and how you want. I will do the same. And I will ignore those whose posts I don't wish to engage with. I suggest you do the same. Yes there is and I'm far from the only one that took it that way. You have the 2 conversations going on at the same time and repeatedly referencing each other to "go play in your own sandbox" and "But we’re supposed to engage politely with them on our threads", it was brought up then and no one was corrected subjected to the spin on what was actually said THEN and NOW you're going to "Oh FFS" me and tell me that it wasn't actually as presented. Discussing being bashed is not bashing.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 7, 2018 20:41:35 GMT
Hard not to break out laughing just reading that. I snorted-- and almost hurt my eyes, I rolled them so far...
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:47:42 GMT
America is well and truly F(#$(*ed. I don't think I can wait until the kids are out of HS to find a saner place to live. Great a future school shooter in the making. Guess it’s NRA parents who make kids numb to guns, not video games. This is WAY too young to be taught to use a gun. That said, the ignorance displayed by saying that teaching someone to use a gun (even at a young age) is creating a school shooter, is astounding. And that's the kind of insane rhetoric that creates such a divide between gun owners and anti-gun people.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 20:49:34 GMT
Somebody I know - possibly one of you - posted the graphic in this article to FB. This page gives a detailed explanation of each of the pyramid levels. I would like to propose that we all do our best to limit our disagreements on this board to the top three lines of the pyramid. We may all recognize ourselves from time to time in the bottom tiers of the pyramid (I'll be the first to say that I'm guilty of responding to tone rather than substance, for example). But going forward, I'm going to do my best to hold myself to a higher standard. If we all do the same, I think it will keep the board less contentious while also maintaining a high level of discourse (that to me being an actual argument on the merits, which I find interesting and very necessary for the good of our country). This is what I've been saying for years now.
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Post by jayfab on May 7, 2018 20:53:03 GMT
ABC News.., “Melania Trump: "When children learn positive online behaviors early on, social media can be used in productive ways." "It is our responsibility as adults to educate and remind them that...they must choose their words wisely and speak with respect and compassion." I get that as First Lady she has to do something but how can anyone take her or her program seriously while she lives in the same house with the biggest social media bully around? Hard not to break out laughing just reading that. I couldn't help myself and actually did laugh out loud and rolled my eyes far up my head. SAD
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Post by birdgate on May 7, 2018 21:39:37 GMT
Hard not to break out laughing just reading that. I couldn't help myself and actually did laugh out loud and rolled my eyes far up my head. SAD Just more of their propaganda bullshit. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 22:47:35 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
“Trump has been griping to associates that Rudy Giuliani has failed to shut down the Stormy Daniels saga, Politico reports.
And Trump has reportedly expressed frustration that Giuliani’s media appearances are raising more questions than they are answering.”
Keystone Cops or The Gang that can’t shoot straight?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 7, 2018 22:49:06 GMT
who's on first, what's on second, I don't know's on third... etc. etc. etc.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 7, 2018 22:51:31 GMT
ABC News.., “Melania Trump: "When children learn positive online behaviors early on, social media can be used in productive ways." "It is our responsibility as adults to educate and remind them that...they must choose their words wisely and speak with respect and compassion." I get that as First Lady she has to do something but how can anyone take her or her program seriously while she lives in the same house with the biggest social media bully around? Melania should just shut the F up.
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Post by PLurker on May 7, 2018 23:45:39 GMT
Kyle Griffin... “Trump has been griping to associates that Rudy Giuliani has failed to shut down the Stormy Daniels saga, Politico reports. And Trump has reportedly expressed frustration that Giuliani’s media appearances are raising more questions than they are answering.” Keystone Cops or The Gang that can’t shoot straight? trump is like an old parade horse who is "littering" the way and he is blaming those trailing him for the mess he made because they aren't cleaning it up fast enough. not his fault. none of it. and it seems to be working so far for him. those caught with dirty hands are falling by the wayside and he plods along.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 0:29:35 GMT
Kyle Griffin....
“In a four-hour practice session to prepare Trump for possibly testifying in the Russia probe, Trump’s lawyers were only able to walk him through two questions, due to frequent interruptions and Trump’s ‘loquaciousness’, WSJ reports.”
Not surprised.
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Post by AmandaA on May 8, 2018 0:37:17 GMT
I just read something over on the scrapbooking board that seems appropriate here... someone (a podcaster) was described as having "unprofessional verbal skills". That sounds like a fair assessment of the president too.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 2:33:50 GMT
I heard the story about the judge on the radio the day it was mentioned, but I didn't bother mentioning that- the Conservative thread just happened to be where I saw the link to the story. But I won't do that again, so as to not be accused of something I didn't mean to do! Yea the best way not to be accused of “cross thread insulting” is not to mention the you know who thread. Not that I believed we did any. I don't read it because, in my experience w/conservatives, there will be some half-truths and some bad info and it would be too hard not to want to call that out. I've inferred from comments on other threads that that thread is supposed to be some sort of conservatives-only thread. If others want to discuss issues brought up there or are curious about "the rest of the story" (as Paul Harvey used to say) I hope that they start threads about the issue(s) so that there can be back and forth w/o being accused of invading a safe space w/silly old things like data and evidence.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 3:46:43 GMT
Black ops, mob, crime.
Thread by Eric. I hope he's right about the comeuppance.
Mob rule vs. democracy.
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Post by imsirius on May 8, 2018 11:41:29 GMT
Why doesn't THIS surprise me?
Some of the responses are funny though
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Post by imsirius on May 8, 2018 12:07:28 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by peano on May 8, 2018 14:20:21 GMT
Black ops, mob, crime. Thread by Eric. I hope he's right about the comeuppance. Mob rule vs. democracy. yep
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 15:02:22 GMT
I'm guessing Black Cube either dug up themselves or at least dug up 2nd hand, the violent sex allegations.
They made sure to tell Trump and likely his boss, Putin.
Which prompted this tweet from yesterday a.m.
What happened w/Schneider man I hope the courts adjudicate in the name of justice for accusers.
But thar Trump thinks this somehow magically puts an end to his NY crime problems is amusing.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 16:12:04 GMT
New York Times...
“Breaking News: President Trump will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, he told the French president, fulfilling a campaign vow but alienating European allies”
Prompted this response from Dan Pfeiffer .....
“Pulling out of the Iran Deal will make all the Trumpists feel good, but what is the plan now to contain the Iranian Nuclear threat? It doesn't seem like anyone in the White House has thought past today's event”
The plan is for trump to join Israel and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran. They live in some magical little world that Iran won’t respond if they do. My guess is they will respond with their BFF Russia.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 16:34:45 GMT
Kelly Magsamen
“As someone who spent years of her life putting in place sanctions on Iran under Bush and Obama, I am horrified by the delusional view that we can easily regain the leverage that took years of painstaking "sanctions diplomacy" with our allies, Russia, China, Japan and India.”
Ben Rhodes...
“It took five years of diplomacy to build the sanctions regime and two years of diplomacy to reach a Deal. Trump is blowing that up with no understanding of what's actually in the Deal, no plan for what comes next, and no support from our closest European allies, Russia or China.”
I’m pretty sure this isn’t how you #MAGA
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Post by maryannscraps on May 8, 2018 16:40:41 GMT
Netanyahu is using Trump to start a war in the Middle East. That way, he doesn't have to. Putting Bolton in there was just another indicator of where we're going.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 16:46:38 GMT
Ben Rhodes again....
“Beyond the potentially catastrophic consequences with Iran, Trump's decision is North Korea devastating to U.S. credibility globally. After this, why would anyone trust an international agreement that the U.S. negotiates?”
There. Fixed it.
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