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Post by sleepingbooty on May 8, 2018 17:21:39 GMT
Trump very likely announcing the USA are to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal is the major breaking news in Europe (definitely in France) right now. It wasn't unexpected but we were all hoping Trump might have been swayed by Macron.
This is truly an international disaster. I have no other words for this. There's talk about all the risks: obvious safety issues in a particularly difficult region (and the remilitarisation of neighbouring countries), more poverty, increasingly difficult access to imported goods that are vital like certain drugs, rise of radicalism. Sigh. Capital F this.
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Post by sueg on May 8, 2018 17:24:49 GMT
Trump very likely announcing the USA are to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal is the major breaking news in Europe (definitely in France) right now. It is the lead story on the BBC news tonight as well.
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Post by sleepingbooty on May 8, 2018 17:34:34 GMT
Netanyahu is using Trump to start a war in the Middle East. That way, he doesn't have to. The Isreali ambassador in France is currently live on television and looking rather jolly, explaining once again that Israel has been against this deal from the get-go, etc. Seems like a case for Captain Obvious.
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Post by grammadee on May 8, 2018 17:46:34 GMT
Several years ago, I chaperoned a high school trip to Egypt.
I was amazed by all the damage done by new Phaoroahs to statues and icons put up by their predecessors. Trump's behavior reminds me of those actions: whatever it takes to destroy the legacy of Obama.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 17:47:05 GMT
The Hill...
“JUST IN: Ryan says House and Senate have a deal to roll back Obama-era financial rules hill.cm/dp9UUPQ”
The financial rules put into place to protect the consumers. Proof yet again the GOP doesn’t give a diddly squat about the American PEOPLE. Corporations is a different story.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 18:09:23 GMT
Is Dennison Trump again - in spite of appearances that he's Broidy in the Bechard case? nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/theory-playboy-model-had-affair-with-trump-not-broidy.html"Are We Really Supposed to Believe That Broidy Wanted Cohen to Represent Him? Elliott Broidy is a very wealthy and legally sophisticated man, who has hired the best legal talent over the years — including David Boies — to deal with his many complex business entanglements. Yet we are supposed to believe that, when he gets an out-of-the-blue phone call from Cohen, revealing that he somehow knows about Broidy’s affair with Bechard, Broidy’s reaction is to hire Cohen? That is, to retain a man who is barely even a lawyer, and who obviously has a disturbingly close working relationship with Bechard’s own attorney — rather than seeking top-shelf independent legal representation to deal with this serious personal and financial crisis? (The fact that Cohen has admitted in court that Broidy was his “client” is perfectly compatible with a narrative in which Broidy agreed to allow Cohen and Davidson to paper up the record with a fraudulent NDA.)"
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Post by artgirl1 on May 8, 2018 18:33:43 GMT
Netanyahu is using Trump to start a war in the Middle East. That way, he doesn't have to. Putting Bolton in there was just another indicator of where we're going. This is a very true synopsis of the situation. So Simple, yet so beyond the comprehension of the current administration. And when we are at war with Israel and Iran, non of the European allies will support us in any way. Trump and his administration have burned too many bridges, and insulted too many countries.
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Post by pyccku on May 8, 2018 18:40:34 GMT
If I were any other country, I would not enter ANY agreements with the USA, because we are no longer a reliable ally or trading partner.
He has destroyed so much of the us standing in less than two years. We’d better hope that there are no disasters or issues that require us to ask from help from our allies, because we don’t deserve it.
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Post by suzastampin on May 8, 2018 19:46:38 GMT
So, he withdraws from the Iran deal. He says he is the bestest deal maker and can negotiate the bigliest deals. Well, maybe he should get his butt off the golf course and start negotiating a new TPP, Paris Climate Accord and a new Iran deal! I’m afraid of what else he will/can do to us before he is no longer President.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 19:50:18 GMT
linkWe are doomed. Paul Waldman from the Washington Post on dufus pulling out of the Iranian Deal. “ Trump just abandoned the Iran deal. Does he have any idea what to do next?” Today, President Trump announced that the United States is pulling out of the agreement to constrain Iran’s nuclear program — which was negotiated in 2015 by the United States, China, Russia, Britain, France, Germany and the European Union — and said the United States would reimpose strict sanctions on Iran. This decision is deeply uninformed, utterly illogical, inimical to the interests of the United , taken for the pettiest of personal reasons and done with absolutely no plan for what to do next. In other words, it’s pure Trump.Upon announcing his decision today to reimpose sanctions and essentially abandon the agreement, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), Trump said, “ If I allow this deal to stand, there would soon be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East,” as though by pulling out of the JCPOA we’re forever keeping Iran from getting nuclear weapons — if anything, the exact opposite of what’s happening. Because of the JCPOA, there is now a comprehensive inspection system in place, administered by the International Atomic Energy Agency, monitoring Iran’s activities. The IAEA has repeatedly stated that Iran is complying with the requirements of the agreement. While the departure of the United States from the deal might not immediately cause the whole thing to collapse, that is plainly what Trump wants. He isn’t doing this in the hope that the JCPOA will continue on without us. Indeed, Trump made his real hope plain when he said that “we cannot prevent a nuclear bomb under the decaying and rotten structure of the agreement.” Should the deal collapse, the inspectors will leave and Iran would be free to pursue nuclear weapons, precisely the outcome Trump claims he wants to avoid. Now, it’s possible that Iran would choose not to do so. But with the inspections in place they can’t; with no inspections, they could. If our goal is actually to avoid Iran having nuclear weapons, how on earth does pulling out of the JCPOA accomplish that? Which brings us to this critical question: What does Trump think is going to happen now? At various times he has posited that there might be a “better deal” in the offing, by which he seems to mean one in which Iran gives us everything we want and we give it nothing. Today he claimed that the Iranians “are going to want to make a new and lasting deal.”But no one actually believes that Iran is going to negotiate a whole new agreement to satisfy Trump, nor that Britain, France, Russia, China, Germany and the E.U. are going to want to restart that process all over again, especially since it took years the first time. If anything, they’ll be likely to hold up their end of the bargain on the assumption that in 2½ years the American public might elect a saner president.So what is our departure supposed to produce? Does Trump have any idea? There’s one person who does: his national security adviser, John Bolton. Now that some of the senior-most advocates of staying in the JCPOA (H.R. McMaster and Rex Tillerson) have been pushed out, Bolton has Trump’s ear to promote his plan for Iran. Which is yet another military conflict in the Middle East. In a March 2015 op-ed in the New York Times that ran under the headline, “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran,” Bolton argued: “The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.”
Bolton claimed that such a strike “could set back its program by three to five years.” Today, Trump justifies leaving the Iran agreement because it constrains their nuclear program for only 10 years. But there’s no indication that Bolton has changed his mind. Now maybe Trump isn’t looking that far ahead. As with so many other decisions he has made, his primary motivation in abandoning the JCPOA seemed to be that it was negotiated by the Obama administration, and therefore it’s terrible and must be reversed. It’s obvious that Trump has only the vaguest idea of what the agreement does or how it works. You may recall that in March 2016, he said to a very friendly audience at AIPAC, “I’ve studied this issue in great detail — I would say actually greater by far than anybody else,” whereupon the crowd burst into laughter. Even his friends knew he had no idea what he was talking about.
Which is why we have to ask, as many times as is necessary: What is supposed to happen now? How is this move going to produce an Iran that we’re sure has no nuclear weapons program? Is there a path to that assurance other than creating a pretext for launching a military strike on Iran and trying to overthrow its regime? What exactly is the strategy here?
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Post by femalebusiness on May 8, 2018 19:54:48 GMT
We are going to war. Our kids will die.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 20:13:41 GMT
trump thinks he is a great negotiator but when you go through 4 bankruptcies it’s clear that you aren’t.
It took 2 1/2 years to get the current deal. trump has the attention span of a nat. No way trump can focus on anything that takes that much time.
It is possible the other countries and Iran will adhere to the current deal and the nuclear inspectors stay in the country. Which would make any strikes on the nuclear facilities by Netanyahu and his lap dog trump unadvisable.
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Post by lucyg on May 8, 2018 20:19:21 GMT
We are going to war. Our kids will die. I can't Like that. But I'm very afraid you are right.
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Post by dewryce on May 8, 2018 20:22:35 GMT
trump thinks he is a great negotiator but when you go through 4 bankruptcies it’s clear that you aren’t. It took 2 1/2 years to get the current deal. trump has the attention span of a nat. No way trump can focus on anything that takes that much time. It is possible the other countries and Iran will adhere to the current deal and the nuclear inspectors stay in the country. Which would make any strikes on the nuclear facilities by Netanyahu and his lap dog trump unadvisable. How likely is that? We can only hope.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 20:58:44 GMT
President Obama....
“There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.
The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.
That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.
Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.
First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.
Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.
Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.
Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.
Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.
Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.
In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.“
How very refreshing to have a grown up explain something.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 21:17:41 GMT
Netanyahu is using Trump to start a war in the Middle East. That way, he doesn't have to. Putting Bolton in there was just another indicator of where we're going. This is a very true synopsis of the situation. So Simple, yet so beyond the comprehension of the current administration. And when we are at war with Israel and Iran, non of the European allies will support us in any way. Trump and his administration have burned too many bridges, and insulted too many countries. Can't blame them really. To support someone there needs to be a level of trust on each side. Trump has just blown that trust out the window.
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Post by dewryce on May 8, 2018 22:01:33 GMT
I miss having an intelligent, honorable person leading our country.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 8, 2018 22:39:50 GMT
trump is like an old parade horse who is "littering" the way and he is blaming those trailing him for the mess he made because they aren't cleaning it up fast enough. not his fault. none of it. and it seems to be working so far for him. those caught with dirty hands are falling by the wayside and he plods along. Knowing horses and parades, THAT is funny!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 23:19:37 GMT
The Hill....
“Giuliani: Americans don't want an impeachment to interrupt the "good work" Trump is doing hill.cm/BzqAtWG”
I like how he says “Americans” like it’s all Americans.
I would be ok with an impeachment if it stopped the “good work” he did today.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 0:04:13 GMT
Geoff Garin....
“CBS News poll: by 55% to 29% Americans say that Trump's policies are making the U.S. less respected in the world”
That’s a fact.
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Post by Merge on May 9, 2018 0:39:50 GMT
Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to CohenA shell company that Michael D. Cohen used to pay hush money to a pornographic film actress received payments totaling more than $1 million from an American company linked to a Russian oligarch and several corporations with business before the Trump administration, according to documents and interviews. Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known. Transactions adding up to at least $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants starting shortly before Mr. Trump was elected president and continuing to this January, the records show. Among the previously unreported transactions were payments last year of about $500,000 from Columbus Nova, an investment firm in New York whose biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, the Russian oligarch. A lawyer for Columbus Nova, in a statement on Tuesday, described the money as a consulting fee that had nothing to do with Mr. Vekselberg. Other transactions described in the financial records include hundreds of thousands of dollars he received from Fortune 500 firms with business before the Trump administration ... Thoughts?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 9, 2018 1:12:04 GMT
Some one said Stormy would be the one to take him down, and that is what is leadign to this mess.......... Without her they would not be traveling this path. I could be wrong, easily!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 9, 2018 1:37:23 GMT
Say what? AT&T confirms it paid Michael Cohen for 'insights' on Trump adminBY ALI BRELAND - 05/08/18 07:31 PM EDT AT&T confirmed Tuesday that it paid President Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen for “insights” on the Trump administration. AT&T said in a statement obtained by The Hill that Cohen's company "was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration." "They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017," AT&T added in its statement, which was first reported by CNBC. The payment was first revealed on Tuesday in a document published by Michael Avenatti, a lawyer for adult-film star Stormy Daniels, who is suing the president and Cohen. Avenatti had claimed that AT&T, drug company Novartis and a Russian oligarch had all made payments to Cohen's shell company, Essential Consultants. The document claimed that AT&T paid Cohen’s company four separate installments of $50,000, totaling $200,000, in late 2017 and early 2018. MORE at link: thehill.com/policy/technology/386826-att-confirms-it-paid-michael-cohen-for-insights-on-trump-admin
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Post by imsirius on May 9, 2018 2:03:01 GMT
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Post by imsirius on May 9, 2018 2:15:16 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 9, 2018 2:28:59 GMT
The Hill.... “Giuliani: Americans don't want an impeachment to interrupt the "good work" Trump is doing hill.cm/BzqAtWG” I like how he says “Americans” like it’s all Americans. I would be ok with an impeachment if it stopped the “good work” he did today. What he means is that anyone not supporting trump is not an American.
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Post by rodeomom on May 9, 2018 2:34:48 GMT
Wow! Follow the money........
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