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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:38:02 GMT
Liberals you aren’t as smart as you think
People voted for trump because they were anxious Despite of so much winning, the right feels like its losing On Sunday I noticed a group of liberal media types I follow on Twitter were unhappy about some op-Ed piece. Finally tracked it down in The NY Times. A Gerard Alexander wrote “Liberals, you’re not as smart as you think you are”. So I read it and it reminded me of two other opinion pieces I had read not too long ago. From the NPR “Despite so much winning, the right feels like it’s losing”. And some what support this president” And from The Atlantic “People voted for trump because they were anxious, not because they were poor.” From The NY Times piece... “Consider some ways liberals have used their cultural prominence in recent years. They have rightly become more sensitive to racism and sexism in American society. News reports, academic commentary and movies now regularly relate accounts of racism in American history and condemn racial bigotry. These exercises in consciousness-raising and criticism have surely nudged some Americans to rethink their views, and to reflect more deeply on the status and experience of women and members of minority groups in this country. But accusers can paint with very wide brushes. Racist is pretty much the most damning label that can be slapped on anyone in America today, which means it should be applied firmly and carefully. Yet some people have cavalierly leveled the charge against huge numbers of Americans — specifically, the more than 60 million people who voted for Mr. Trump. In their ranks are people who sincerely consider themselves not bigoted, who might be open to reconsidering ways they have done things for years, but who are likely to be put off if they feel smeared before that conversation even takes place. It doesn’t help that our cultural mores are changing rapidly, and we rarely stop to consider this. Some liberals have gotten far out ahead of their fellow Americans but are nonetheless quick to criticize those who haven’t caught up with them.“
From the NPR piece “But beyond politics, Hawkins said, the average American conservative feels bombarded daily with disrespect. "He turns on a TV show where he's insulted, and then he's like, 'well, maybe I'll just unwind and watch an awards show' — the Oscars or something — where he gets trashed all day long," Hawkins said. "He goes to Twitter and he's got some you know guy calling him in a-hole ... this is sort of like a pervasive all-out attack if you're a conservative. And it's all the time sort of thing." At the core of the problem for many American conservatives is a feeling that the culture war has been irrevocably lost to their ideological opponents.” Politics is downstream from culture. And I do think that it's true that conservatives have lost in many ways the culture," said Matt Lewis, a conservative columnist for The Daily Beast who has previously worked for conservative outlets like The Daily Caller and Human Events. He also said, "There is a sense on the right that is apocalyptic and fearful." From the Atlantic... “ A new study finds that Trump voters weren’t losing income or jobs. Instead, they were concerned about their place in the world.”
I think all three articles should be read together. The reason is I think The NPR and The Atlantic help explain The NY Times article. The culture war, as I understand it, is traditional/conservative ideas and beliefs v progressive/liberal ideas and beliefs. Gerard brings up the culture war in his article as does the other two articles. I also think winding its way through all three articles is the belief by a lot of those on the right is “ We won, why doesn’t the rest of the country get with the program and somewhat support this president?” Why all the discord? I think there is a lot of truth in the notion presented in the articles that the right is losing the culture war that has been happening for some time now. I have long felt the Democrats look forward while the Republicans look backwards when it comes to change. The change is happening now with same sex marriage, LGBTQ rights, immigration and whites losing the majority in this country, globalization, and automation. And it can’t be stopped. If humans didn’t adapt to change we would all still be living in caves. It these changes and how trump and company are handling them that dictates what support the majority of liberals give the current gang in power.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 15, 2018 21:41:22 GMT
Quick... someone figure out how to blame B.O. The mental gymnastics here will be spectacular. Oh, yes. Because we were the bad guys for being skeptical that Trump (or anyone) could pull this off. And chastised for not running to kiss trumps ass, glorify the idiot, and nominate him for the noble peace prize. I’m laughing at how gullible some people are—that they did not consider this would happen.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 15, 2018 21:43:12 GMT
He only has to look at Sarah huckleberry—she’s been the one going on about the leaks! You confused me. I actually know a Sarah Huckleberry. LOL. She has three boxers that I call the Huckleberrry Hounds. Auto correct!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:58:42 GMT
Rachel Maddow...
“New ebola outbreak -- white house eliminates job of top official working on ebola.
They kill iran nuke deal -- then zero out staffing on iran nuke proliferation.
Now, after 2016 attack -- they kill top cybersecurity job just in time for 2018 midterms.”
Is THIS how to #MAGA by getting rid of “expertise”?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:03:54 GMT
Caroline O...
“The State Dept was reportedly "caught off guard" by North Korea pulling out of talks w/ South Korea today.
A few reminders: -The top US diplomat in charge of NK policy resigned in Feb -The State Dept's top nuclear expert resigned last wk - We still don't have an ambassador to SK”
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“A bit more context: -60% of the State Dept's top-ranking career diplomats have left since Trump took office -7 of the 9 senior leadership positions in the State Dept are vacant -16 of the 22 asst secretary positions are empty -50 ambassadorships are vacant”
No, THIS must be how you MAGA!
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Post by AmandaA on May 15, 2018 22:04:07 GMT
Rachel Maddow... “New ebola outbreak -- white house eliminates job of top official working on ebola. They kill iran nuke deal -- then zero out staffing on iran nuke proliferation. Now, after 2016 attack -- they kill top cybersecurity job just in time for 2018 midterms.” Is THIS how to #MAGA by getting rid of “expertise”? Ignorance is bliss for some....
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 22:40:19 GMT
well, Trump was just going to 'wing it' with the N. Korea talks, so he SURELY should be able to 'wing it' with Ebola and Iran / nukes, too, right?!? (why should we care about 'those' people in those '$hit-hole countries, anyway, right?? A disease outbreak there CERTAINLY can't affect DT in the Oval Office, OR hurt his bottom line, and as we know, that's all he cares about, so...) ^^^ SARCASM!!! (just in case.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 15, 2018 22:43:02 GMT
“A bit more context: -60% of the State Dept's top-ranking career diplomats have left since Trump took office -7 of the 9 senior leadership positions in the State Dept are vacant -16 of the 22 asst secretary positions are empty -50 ambassadorships are vacant” No, THIS must be how you MAGA! He is saving $$$$.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 22:43:31 GMT
gotta pay for that 'tax cut' somehow!!
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Post by artgirl1 on May 15, 2018 22:47:51 GMT
North Korea warns US it could pull out of planned summit with TrumpBY BRETT SAMUELS - 05/15/18 03:04 PM EDT North Korea on Tuesday said a planned summit next month between President Trump and Kim Jung Un is at risk because of joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea. IMO the release of the hostages last week was a method of the N Koreans saving face, particularly with the results of their detainment of Otto Warmbier. They also played at dangling the carrot at Trump, with the plan to always pull out, especially after Trump shot off his mouth with praising himself. Methinks that Kim Jong Un is more strategic a player than Trump.
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Post by gardengoddess on May 15, 2018 22:50:18 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned already and I admit to only skimming a couple pages of posts, but can you imagine this? President Hillary Clinton tweets that she's going to be working with the Chinese President to help the Chinese company ZTE, which not only has been sanctioned by our Treasury and Commerce departments for doing business with Iran and North Korea, the phones have also been prohibited by our Department of Defense due to the national security risks they pose. Even Senator Rubio has been quoted as saying he would never use that phone. Why, you ask would President Clinton do that? because there have been too many Chinese jobs lost. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Can you imagine Fox News? Conservative brain matter would be all over television screens, computers and phones nationwide. I've found that the only response that I can muster anymore is "You have got to be effing kidding me?" And don't even get me started on Niger.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:54:28 GMT
I have to share this with you guys. My Republican dh and I rarely discuss politics. We always disagree and it's just not worth it to me. He reads Fox news and I watch all news outlets except that one and we live peacefully.
Today he brought something up and I tried to explain to him why I have compassion for this certain issue. I put him in their shoes by comparing it to how he was mistreated by someone yesterday. He was silent. Which means he actually saw my point. Which is amazing because 1. He is never wrong. 2. He is always right. 3. He has no compassion for others he can't relate to. (Sound familiar?)
So then he brings up his show Homeland and how interesting it's been lately. (I don't watch it.) Apparently the storyline is about how fake news is spread. "And you know how the liberal media loves to do that" he says. He tells me that someone will take a picture and tweet it out of context. He continues on telling me how there are bots that take the fake news and plaster it all over. Then the media gets a hold of it and twists the story. He was so intrigued by this notion. I just looked at him at not sure what to think. I said, "Oh you mean like Fox news does?" Silence.
So maybe there is hope for some?? I'd like to think so.
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Post by dewryce on May 15, 2018 23:45:08 GMT
I have to share this with you guys. My Republican dh and I rarely discuss politics. We always disagree and it's just not worth it to me. He reads Fox news and I watch all news outlets except that one and we live peacefully. Today he brought something up and I tried to explain to him why I have compassion for this certain issue. I put him in their shoes by comparing it to how he was mistreated by someone yesterday. He was silent. Which means he actually saw my point. Which is amazing because 1. He is never wrong. 2. He is always right. 3. He has no compassion for others he can't relate to. (Sound familiar?) So then he brings up his show Homeland and how interesting it's been lately. (I don't watch it.) Apparently the storyline is about how fake news is spread. "And you know how the liberal media loves to do that" he says. He tells me that someone will take a picture and tweet it out of context. He continues on telling me how there are bots that take the fake news and plaster it all over. Then the media gets a hold of it and twists the story. He was so intrigued by this notion. I just looked at him at not sure what to think. I said, "Oh you mean like Fox news does?" Silence. So maybe there is hope for some?? I'd like to think so. The fact that he didn't seem to be aware of this tactic, even though it has been so brazenly used against our country, was heavily reported on, plays a role in the Mueller investigation, and only watches Fox News is so telling.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 0:24:28 GMT
Kyle Griffin....
“The Justice Department and the FBI are investigating Cambridge Analytica, NYT reports.”
This could get interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 0:55:15 GMT
Washington PostFrom Paul Waldman of The Washington Post. I think this may be in response to The NY Times opinion piece “Liberals are as smart as they think they are”. “ Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters”
“In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House. The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice. Before we proceed, let me be clear about what I’m not saying. I’m not saying that the desire for respect isn’t real. As a voter says in “The Great Revolt,” a new book by conservative journalist Salena Zito and Republican operative Brad Todd, “One of the things I really don’t get about the Democratic Party or the news media is the lack of respect they give to people who work hard all of their lives to get themselves out of the hole.” Nor am I saying there aren’t some liberals who express elitist ideas, because there are. But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it. It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them. It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.This machine is extraordinarily powerful. It may not be able to guarantee Republican victory at the polls, but it absolutely can determine how conservatives — including those Trump voters — view what happens on a day-to-day basis in the political world, including efforts by Democrats to reach out to them.Let’s take, for instance, Barack Obama. Can you think of another president who spent more time reaching out to the other side and showing respect for them? You might or might not like his policies, but nobody tried harder to be respectful than Obama. And Republican voters had eight years to watch him. Let’s take, as just one example, the speech he gave about race during the 2008 campaign. Here’s one small part: Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience — as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor.
That is extremely respectful. But it’s not what Republicans think of when they think of Obama. “I despise Barack Obama. I think primarily because I don’t think he thinks very much of people like me,” one Republican told The Post’s Dan Balz. “One of the places I would agree with the hard-core Trump people, they’re tired of being treated as the enemy by Barack Obama,” he went on. “His comment, the whole thing, it’s been worn out to death, that clinging to God and guns, God and guns and afraid of people who don’t look like them, blah, blah, blah. Just quit talking down to me.” Ah yes, the “clinging to guns and religion” quote. One thing Obama said in 2008, taken out of context and repeated a million times until it was all any Republican voter needed to know about his entire presidency. But if you look at what Obama actually said, you’ll see that it’s different from the way it has been characterized. He was asked how Democrats could appeal to working-class whites in the Rust Belt, and he replied that people have watched their communities struggle for decades, through Republican and Democratic presidencies alike, so they wind up forming their political identities and channeling their frustrations through non-economic issues. Which few would actually dispute, but such controversies are rarely created out of what a Democratic politician actually said. They flow from whether it can be twisted around and repeated endlessly to make them look disrespectful. The same is true of Hillary Clinton. At a town-hall meeting in March 2016, she was talking about how to revitalize communities that had been dependent on coal but had been devastated by a loss of jobs driven mostly by automation and the fracking boom that made natural gas cheaper than coal. Here’s what she said: “ And we’re going to make it clear that we don’t want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we’ve got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don’t want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce energy that we relied on.”Wow, that’s pretty respectful! It acknowledges the people’s hard work, their sacrifices, their contribution to the rest of the country. And yet because she also acknowledged that all those millions of coal jobs aren’t coming back, but said it in a way she would surely have liked to rephrase — “we’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” — the only thing anyone remembers is that one half-sentence, which was immediately turned into “Hillary hates coal miners! She wants to destroy their lives!” All the respect-offering she tried to do was meaningless once it was chewed through the gears of the conservative outrage machine. We see this again and again: Democrats bend over backward to show conservative white voters respect, only to see some remark taken out of context and their entire agenda characterized as stealing from hard-working white people to give undeserved benefits to shiftless minorities. And then pundits demand, “Why aren’t you showing those whites more respect?” So when we say that, what exactly are we asking Democrats to do? It can only be one of two things. Either Democrats are supposed to abandon their values and change their policies, despite the fact that many of those policies provide enormous help to the very people who say Democrats look down on them, or they’re supposed to take symbolic steps to demonstrate their respect, which always fail anyway. How many times have we seen Democrats try to show respect by going to a NASCAR event or on a hunting trip, only to be mocked for their insincerity? In the world Republicans have constructed, a Democrat who wants to give you health care and a higher wage is disrespectful, while a Republican who opposes those things but engages in a vigorous round of campaign race-baiting is respectful. The person who’s holding you back isn’t the politician who just voted to give a trillion-dollar tax break to the wealthy and corporations, it’s an East Coast college professor who said something condescending on Twitter.So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 1:36:50 GMT
I have to share this with you guys. My Republican dh and I rarely discuss politics. We always disagree and it's just not worth it to me. He reads Fox news and I watch all news outlets except that one and we live peacefully. Today he brought something up and I tried to explain to him why I have compassion for this certain issue. I put him in their shoes by comparing it to how he was mistreated by someone yesterday. He was silent. Which means he actually saw my point. Which is amazing because 1. He is never wrong. 2. He is always right. 3. He has no compassion for others he can't relate to. (Sound familiar?) So then he brings up his show Homeland and how interesting it's been lately. (I don't watch it.) Apparently the storyline is about how fake news is spread. "And you know how the liberal media loves to do that" he says. He tells me that someone will take a picture and tweet it out of context. He continues on telling me how there are bots that take the fake news and plaster it all over. Then the media gets a hold of it and twists the story. He was so intrigued by this notion. I just looked at him at not sure what to think. I said, "Oh you mean like Fox news does?" Silence. So maybe there is hope for some?? I'd like to think so. The fact that he didn't seem to be aware of this tactic, even though it has been so brazenly used against our country, was heavily reported on, plays a role in the Mueller investigation, and only watches Fox News is so telling. Yes exactly. Sadly I get to see this firsthand not only with him, but with my parents too.
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Post by dewryce on May 16, 2018 1:54:20 GMT
The fact that he didn't seem to be aware of this tactic, even though it has been so brazenly used against our country, was heavily reported on, plays a role in the Mueller investigation, and only watches Fox News is so telling. Yes exactly. Sadly I get to see this firsthand not only with him, but with my parents too. I sympathize, my husband is Republican as well but it has never been a problem between us until this administration. He used to solely listen to and read conservative news media and it seriously impacted his beliefs. He is socially liberal but has always believed himself to be financially conservative. Unfortunately, when going to conservative sources for his financial news he was being bombarded with the rest of the, often misleading and untrue, crap they put out for consumption. I've worked very hard at showing these sources for what they are piece by piece. We'll be having a discussion and he says something verifiably untrue. So I look up the facts and show him. It's been eye opening for him to say the least. I hope this particular experience at least opens your husband's eyes to the need for multiple sources of news, and to apply critical thing to all of them, including the ones he trusts. eta: I realized as I hit enter that my post might have sounded condescending and that is not what I meant at all. I just don't know how to reword it. I know it has been very difficult for my husband dealing with admitting to himself that he didn't judge his sources well and how much they have impacted his beliefs. He hasn't admitted this to himself yet but I think he feels a loss of trust in "his" people, and himself for falling for it, ya know? For being manipulated. So I just mean to say that I know this is hard for your DH, and you, and moving forward I hope he is able to find a better way to navigate the information out there.
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Yes exactly. Sadly I get to see this firsthand not only with him, but with my parents too. I sympathize, my husband is Republican as well but it has never been a problem between us until this administration. He used to solely listen to and read conservative news media and it seriously impacted his beliefs. He is socially liberal but has always believed himself to be financially conservative. Unfortunately, when going to conservative sources for his financial news he was being bombarded with the rest of the, often misleading and untrue, crap they put out for consumption. I've worked very hard at showing these sources for what they are piece by piece. We'll be having a discussion and he says something verifiably untrue. So I look up the facts and show him. It's been eye opening for him to say the least. I hope this particular experience at least opens your husband's eyes to the need for multiple sources of news, and to apply critical thing to all of them, including the ones he trusts. eta: I realized as I hit enter that my post might have sounded condescending and that is not what I meant at all. I just don't know how to reword it. I know it has been very difficult for my husband dealing with admitting to himself that he didn't judge his sources well and how much they have impacted his beliefs. He hasn't admitted this to himself yet but I think he feels a loss of trust in "his" people, and himself for falling for it, ya know? For being manipulated. So I just mean to say that I know this is hard for your DH, and you, and moving forward I hope he is able to find a better way to navigate the information out there. No, not condescending at all! I appreciate your insight. I hope to get to where you guys are one day. I feel like today there was a tiny light that shined through the crack of the door.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2018 2:49:03 GMT
Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked. Proven by the ALL the Cabinet Secretaries all part of the 1% getting more every day from the massive tax cuts in their pockets!
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Post by dewryce on May 16, 2018 2:50:30 GMT
I sympathize, my husband is Republican as well but it has never been a problem between us until this administration. He used to solely listen to and read conservative news media and it seriously impacted his beliefs. He is socially liberal but has always believed himself to be financially conservative. Unfortunately, when going to conservative sources for his financial news he was being bombarded with the rest of the, often misleading and untrue, crap they put out for consumption. I've worked very hard at showing these sources for what they are piece by piece. We'll be having a discussion and he says something verifiably untrue. So I look up the facts and show him. It's been eye opening for him to say the least. I hope this particular experience at least opens your husband's eyes to the need for multiple sources of news, and to apply critical thing to all of them, including the ones he trusts. eta: I realized as I hit enter that my post might have sounded condescending and that is not what I meant at all. I just don't know how to reword it. I know it has been very difficult for my husband dealing with admitting to himself that he didn't judge his sources well and how much they have impacted his beliefs. He hasn't admitted this to himself yet but I think he feels a loss of trust in "his" people, and himself for falling for it, ya know? For being manipulated. So I just mean to say that I know this is hard for your DH, and you, and moving forward I hope he is able to find a better way to navigate the information out there. No, not condescending at all! I appreciate your insight. I hope to get to where you guys are one day. I feel like today there was a tiny light that shined through the crack of the door. LOL, not to take away your hope but on this issue we are not anything to aspire too ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's been a very slow process and he often automatically reverts back to his prior thinking and his sources have to be proven wrong again and again. I seems to me like a self-protection thing, it is really hard for him to admit even to himself, to being bamboozled. To work with your great analogy, I have to keep shoving my foot in the door (with facts) or his mind keeps slamming it closed. Someone here posted a good relevant quote, something about it being easier to trick someone than it is to get them to admit to being tricked.
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Post by peasapie on May 16, 2018 3:01:51 GMT
Just reading this speculation about potential art of the deal Trump may have made with China. (Note: even WSJ is questioning why he would make a deal to keep their telephone giant alive.) Will be interesting to follow. Bribery?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 16, 2018 3:56:53 GMT
it is really hard for him to admit even to himself, to being bamboozled. To work with your great analogy, I have to keep shoving my foot in the door (with facts) or his mind keeps slamming it closed. my boyfriend and I aren't even quite at that point yet... but I think (hope, really) that somewhere he DOES have inklings of the bamboozling that's been going on. He's always considered himself a 'Reagan' Republican, and I wish, wish, WISH that he would admit this Republican party bears NO resemblance to that. But since we're both VERY stubborn, I doubt that will be happening anytime soon. (as a middle aged white guy who doesn't handle change well, he definitely feels the 'left behind' kind of thing-- as far as seeing the 'conservative Christian' way of life he remembers disappearing- and unfortunately, I think the conservative radio he listens to just plays on those fears and exacerbates that feeling.)
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Post by Mystie on May 16, 2018 5:19:42 GMT
Liberals you aren’t as smart as you think
People voted for trump because they were anxious Despite of so much winning, the right feels like its losing On Sunday I noticed a group of liberal media types I follow on Twitter were unhappy about some op-Ed piece. Finally tracked it down in The NY Times. A Gerard Alexander wrote “Liberals, you’re not as smart as you think you are”. So I read it and it reminded me of two other opinion pieces I had read not too long ago. From the NPR “Despite so much winning, the right feels like it’s losing”. And some what support this president” And from The Atlantic “People voted for trump because they were anxious, not because they were poor.” From The NY Times piece... “Consider some ways liberals have used their cultural prominence in recent years. They have rightly become more sensitive to racism and sexism in American society. News reports, academic commentary and movies now regularly relate accounts of racism in American history and condemn racial bigotry. These exercises in consciousness-raising and criticism have surely nudged some Americans to rethink their views, and to reflect more deeply on the status and experience of women and members of minority groups in this country. But accusers can paint with very wide brushes. Racist is pretty much the most damning label that can be slapped on anyone in America today, which means it should be applied firmly and carefully. Yet some people have cavalierly leveled the charge against huge numbers of Americans — specifically, the more than 60 million people who voted for Mr. Trump. In their ranks are people who sincerely consider themselves not bigoted, who might be open to reconsidering ways they have done things for years, but who are likely to be put off if they feel smeared before that conversation even takes place. It doesn’t help that our cultural mores are changing rapidly, and we rarely stop to consider this. Some liberals have gotten far out ahead of their fellow Americans but are nonetheless quick to criticize those who haven’t caught up with them.“
From the NPR piece “But beyond politics, Hawkins said, the average American conservative feels bombarded daily with disrespect. "He turns on a TV show where he's insulted, and then he's like, 'well, maybe I'll just unwind and watch an awards show' — the Oscars or something — where he gets trashed all day long," Hawkins said. "He goes to Twitter and he's got some you know guy calling him in a-hole ... this is sort of like a pervasive all-out attack if you're a conservative. And it's all the time sort of thing." At the core of the problem for many American conservatives is a feeling that the culture war has been irrevocably lost to their ideological opponents.” Politics is downstream from culture. And I do think that it's true that conservatives have lost in many ways the culture," said Matt Lewis, a conservative columnist for The Daily Beast who has previously worked for conservative outlets like The Daily Caller and Human Events. He also said, "There is a sense on the right that is apocalyptic and fearful." From the Atlantic... “ A new study finds that Trump voters weren’t losing income or jobs. Instead, they were concerned about their place in the world.”
I think all three articles should be read together. The reason is I think The NPR and The Atlantic help explain The NY Times article. The culture war, as I understand it, is traditional/conservative ideas and beliefs v progressive/liberal ideas and beliefs. Gerard brings up the culture war in his article as does the other two articles. I also think winding its way through all three articles is the belief by a lot of those on the right is “ We won, why doesn’t the rest of the country get with the program and somewhat support this president?” Why all the discord? I think there is a lot of truth in the notion presented in the articles that the right is losing the culture war that has been happening for some time now. I have long felt the Democrats look forward while the Republicans look backwards when it comes to change. The change is happening now with same sex marriage, LGBTQ rights, immigration and whites losing the majority in this country, globalization, and automation. And it can’t be stopped. If humans didn’t adapt to change we would all still be living in caves. It these changes and how trump and company are handling them that dictates what support the majority of liberals give the current gang in power. I believe the NYT piece was discussed briefly on the conservative catchall thread here the other day. It was interesting.
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Washington PostFrom Paul Waldman of The Washington Post. I think this may be in response to The NY Times opinion piece “Liberals are as smart as they think they are”. “ Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters”
“In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House. ... Great analysis:
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 6:12:52 GMT
Slate...
“Report: China commits $1 billion to Indonesian development that will include Trump hotels and a Trump golf course slate.me/2L1aImu”
Now it’s hotels and a golf course.
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