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Post by Merge on May 23, 2018 19:47:10 GMT
ABC News... “Pres. Trump reiterates "animals" comment at MS-13 roundtable, saying he was "met with rebuke" by Democrats over remark last week. "They're not people, these are animals, and we have to be very, very tough." abcn.ws/2KKqhhF” The last stats on gang show there are roughly 10,000 MS-13 gang members in the US out of a total of between 750,000+ gang members. There are over 24,000 gangs in this country. Not all MS-13 gang members come to this country illegally. They are home grown. Why are the other 700,000 + gang members getting a pass? Forget the term “animal” and start asking why are other gangs getting a pass. Innocent people die because of the actions of these gangs. This country has a gang problem. How is eliminating this one group going to solve the gang problem? It's not. It's just a way for him to conflate immigrants with criminals, to keep his xenophobic base cheering.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:47:46 GMT
How is that better? “If you won’t stand for the National Anthem then stay off the field or else”. Edited to add - What happened to freedom of expression? It does give them an option though and although I agree with the freedom of expression, the players are employed by the nfl. If the nfl started fining people in the stands who turn their back on the flag or kept their hats on, then I think that would be a whole other kettle of fish and 100% overstepping. I know I can’t post certain things or wear certain things or do certain things at work that I can do on my off time that work cannot restrict or punish me for, I don’t see this as really any different although I think it is stupid and isn’t going to really change anything. Good point. But having said that I still think this is slippery slope ruling by the NFL owners.
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Post by peano on May 23, 2018 19:51:48 GMT
It does give them an option though and although I agree with the freedom of expression, the players are employed by the nfl. If the nfl started fining people in the stands who turn their back on the flag or kept their hats on, then I think that would be a whole other kettle of fish and 100% overstepping. I know I can’t post certain things or wear certain things or do certain things at work that I can do on my off time that work cannot restrict or punish me for, I don’t see this as really any different although I think it is stupid and isn’t going to really change anything. Good point. But having said that I still think this is slippery slope ruling by the NFL owners. Cowards!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 20:23:50 GMT
ABC News... “Pres. Trump reiterates "animals" comment at MS-13 roundtable, saying he was "met with rebuke" by Democrats over remark last week. "They're not people, these are animals, and we have to be very, very tough." abcn.ws/2KKqhhF” The last stats on gang show there are roughly 10,000 MS-13 gang members in the US out of a total of between 750,000+ gang members. There are over 24,000 gangs in this country. Not all MS-13 gang members come to this country illegally. They are home grown. Why are the other 700,000 + gang members getting a pass? Forget the term “animal” and start asking why are other gangs getting a pass. Innocent people die because of the actions of these gangs. This country has a gang problem. How is eliminating this one group going to solve the gang problem? It's not. It's just a way for him to conflate immigrants with criminals, to keep his xenophobic base cheering. We know. This was more of a question for trump’s staunch supporters to answer.
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2018 20:30:33 GMT
It also says that players and any other personnel do not have to be on the field during the National Anthem. They may stay in the locker room if they do not want to stand. How is that better? “If you won’t stand for the National Anthem then stay off the field or else”. Edited to add - What happened to freedom of expression? they are at work. An employer can dictate certain behaviors, up to a point, while your at work. You do not have freedom of expression AT work. In fact some people do not have freedom of expression after work if thier expression affects work and it is in thier employee handbook, rules or contract. ( teachers? ) They can peacefully protest to thier hearts content when they are not at work. While I do not care if they peacefully protest, thier employer seems to. An employer can, up to a point, dictate your at work behavior. ETA: it is your freedom to watch/not watch/ not buy /not whatever with the NFL if you so choose
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 23, 2018 20:33:10 GMT
Wow.. what the ever-loving _________ !!! He is bat shit crazy with the loyalty crap. Is there a suggested salute and/or secret handshake to go with it? Yikes. Does he approve these things? I'm pretty sure that's from some generic souvenir shop, with nothing to do with the WH. my apologies to everyone! I was looking at the Korea summit coin in an article and followed a link to this gift shop; I assumed it was the ACTUAL White House gift shop website. It looked pretty official (I'm sure that's the idea), and I didn't read the web address closely enough to realize that it was NOT the actual, official White House gift shop website.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 21:12:00 GMT
How is that better? “If you won’t stand for the National Anthem then stay off the field or else”. Edited to add - What happened to freedom of expression? they are at work. An employer can dictate certain behaviors, up to a point, while your at work. You do not have freedom of expression AT work. In fact some people do not have freedom of expression after work if thier expression affects work and it is in thier employee handbook, rules or contract. ( teachers? ) They can peacefully protest to thier hearts content when they are not at work. While I do not care if they peacefully protest, thier employer seems to. An employer can, up to a point, dictate your at work behavior. ETA: it is your freedom to watch/not watch/ not buy /not whatever with the NFL if you so choose. What the owners have done is make kneeling a bigger deal then if they had just let them do it. The owners say players can stay in the locker room if they don’t want to stand for the National Anthem. What if the entire team decides to stay in the locker room period. Then what? Fire the entire team? But they aren’t going to do that because it puts in jeopardy the team winning. And owners want to win. To me this rule by the NFL owners has opened a can of worms. One that didn’t need to be opened.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 21:24:39 GMT
linkFrom the Washington Post.... Trump warns against admitting unaccompanied migrant children: ‘They’re not innocent’“BETHPAGE, N.Y. — President Trump and his top administration officials repeatedly warned Wednesday that unaccompanied migrant children arriving at the southern border are potentially exposing the nation to eventual gang crime.
Immigrant advocates have long said that the children, primarily from Central America, are fleeing violence in their home countries and seeking safe harbor in the United States. But the Trump administration has used their plight to justify cracking down on policies that allow these migrants to be released and obtain hearings before immigration judges, rather than being deported immediately. “
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 21:31:30 GMT
ABC News...
“Pres. Trump: "When I ran for office, I pledged to stand for life, and as president that's exactly what I've done." abcnews.com/politics”
Well unless they die by guns like the two school shootings then not so much.
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2018 21:33:39 GMT
they are at work. An employer can dictate certain behaviors, up to a point, while your at work. You do not have freedom of expression AT work. In fact some people do not have freedom of expression after work if thier expression affects work and it is in thier employee handbook, rules or contract. ( teachers? ) They can peacefully protest to thier hearts content when they are not at work. While I do not care if they peacefully protest, thier employer seems to. An employer can, up to a point, dictate your at work behavior. ETA: it is your freedom to watch/not watch/ not buy /not whatever with the NFL if you so choose. What the owners have done is make kneeling a bigger deal then if they had just let them do it. The owners say players can stay in the locker room if they don’t want to stand for the National Anthem. What if the entire team decides to stay in the locker room period. Then what? Fire the entire team? But they aren’t going to do that because it puts in jeopardy the team winning. And owners want to win. To me this rule by the NFL owners has opened a can of worms. One that didn’t need to be opened. I don’t necessarily agree with the ‘rule’ but I do feel that an employer can dictate certain behaviors while you are at work. My employer has a list of behaviors I need to adhere to or I can choose to work elsewhere. It’s part of a job. If the entire team stays in the locker room- so be it. I honestly do not care about football. But the NFL is a business and the protest cost that business money last year. So they are instituting a rule about behavior in thier facilities/games. Wether or not it helps thier bottom line- I have no idea. I don’t watch it anyway. And have bigger issues with the NFL than wether or not player stand or kneel during the anthem. The players union can challenge that rule in court if they desire. Then it will come down to how the contracts are written I guess. What the players were protesting is not within the control of the NFL anyway so it wasn’t really going to affect change. I can’t really fault them for attempting to make a change. There’s a lot of things I can fault the NFL about, but that new rule isn’t even on my list.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 23, 2018 21:35:20 GMT
linkFrom the Washington Post.... Trump warns against admitting unaccompanied migrant children: ‘They’re not innocent’“BETHPAGE, N.Y. — President Trump and his top administration officials repeatedly warned Wednesday that unaccompanied migrant children arriving at the southern border are potentially exposing the nation to eventual gang crime.
Immigrant advocates have long said that the children, primarily from Central America, are fleeing violence in their home countries and seeking safe harbor in the United States. But the Trump administration has used their plight to justify cracking down on policies that allow these migrants to be released and obtain hearings before immigration judges, rather than being deported immediately. “ And here we (once again) have UNDENIABLE confirmation that trump associates any immigrant as gang members And since we known he has referred to gang members as animals, it is certain that trump believes that immigrants are animals.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 21:38:52 GMT
“AP: "Trump told one ally this week that he wanted 'to brand' the informant a 'spy,' believing the more nefarious term would resonate more in the media and with the public."
This is our president.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 22:03:45 GMT
When I say the NFL was making kneeling during the National Anthem a bigger deal then it needed to be I’m talking about this...
“The NFL just announced its new policy of requiring players to stand for the national anthem.
Rather than address racism & social injustices, they will punish those who exercise their Constitutional rights through lawful and peaceful protest.
The NFL got it wrong. #TakeTheKnee”
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 22:09:08 GMT
And this from Joy Reid...
“The irony of the NFL owners’ action is that *they have now hyper-politicized the anthem, for not just every black player and ally, but every potential anthem singer or Super Bowl halftime performer. That few minutes before a game will now look like a forced nationalistic display.”
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Post by used2scrap on May 23, 2018 22:21:26 GMT
And this from Joy Reid... “The irony of the NFL owners’ action is that *they have now hyper-politicized the anthem, for not just every black player and ally, but every potential anthem singer or Super Bowl halftime performer. That few minutes before a game will now look like a forced nationalistic display.”
It was a forced nationalistic display. The teams used to be in the locker rooms for the anthem, until the military paid them to come out and be patriotic.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 23:38:56 GMT
JP Levin....
“There was no spy. Obama didn't make the decision to use the informant. The informant was used to help Trump. To make sure his camp wasn't infiltrated by Russians. Of course, none of this would have happened if team Trump vetted a single member of his team.”
To put this in perspective and raise the question what is trump hiding.
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Post by Merge on May 24, 2018 0:19:18 GMT
This Twitter thread talks about why Jared Kushner’s new security clearance is bogus.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 0:19:39 GMT
Washington Post...
“BREAKING: Senior North Korean foreign ministry official Choe Son Hui: "If the U.S. continues with their evil acts, I will ask for the summit to be reconsidered." "We are not begging for talks... whether the summit meeting will take place depends on the U.S.' behavior," she says”
and..
The Hill...
“Trump says there's a "good chance" summit with North Korea happens hill.cm/8JhEa5i”
So who to believe and how much will trump give up?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 24, 2018 0:42:32 GMT
So who to believe and how much will trump give up? Who knows and too much!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 24, 2018 0:49:32 GMT
So who to believe and how much will trump give up? Who knows and too much! Believe everyone except trump. He is a liar. Always.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 2:28:59 GMT
Mrs. Betty Bowers....
“There are only 10,000 people in MS-13 in the entire USA (DOJ).
There are over 30,000 people killed each year by firearms in the USA.
When it comes to families who have suffered unthinkable heartbreak, Trump is obsessed with a nonwhite gang, but ignores any white gun violence.”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 24, 2018 4:12:33 GMT
Apparently, Sarah Huckabee Sanders doesn’t like being called a liar.
Well then.
Maybe she shouldn’t lie then!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 6:28:54 GMT
And so it continues...
Newsweek.
“VIRGINIA 4-YEAR-OLD BOY SHOOTS DEAD 2-YEAR-OLD BROTHER AFTER MISTAKING GUN FOR TOY”
“A 2-year-old boy has died after accidentally being shot by his 4-year-old brother at their home in Louisa County, Virginia.
The boy, identified as Tyler Aponte, died after being shot once in the chest by his brother, who mistook the gun for a toy, reports WWBT.
Emergency services responding to the shooting performed CPR on Tyler before he was airlifted to University of Virginia Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.
“It's horrible, it's devastating. You come into a scene like this and you see all the carnage. You see everything," said Major Donnie Lowe, of the Louisa County Sheriff’s Office, reports WVIR.
The boys’ mother was at home at the time of the shooting, with the father at work. Louisa County Sheriff’s Office are now investigating how the 4-year-old managed to get hold of the gun.
Linda Eddy, a neighbor, said there is “no way” that the family would leave a loaded gun out. “They're good people, they're Christians,” she said. “They're good people, and take care of their children and make sure they have everything they need." Guess not.
Lowe said that the shooting will be “thoroughly investigated” while reminding all gun-owners to make sure their weapons are out of reach of children.
At least have them unloaded or a safety lock on them,” he said, reports WTVR. “Whatever you have to do to keep them from being discharged accidentally.
"Right now, our thoughts and prayers are with the family,” Lowe added. "This is a devastating, tragic, incident for this to happen."
In March, a 7-month old baby survived after accidentally being shot by his 4-year-old brother at their home in Temple, Texas, with neighbors saying they were not particularly surprised by the incident.
"I'm not there to judge them, but in my family, it happened once with my cousin," Adrian Martinez told KXXV. "My cousin killed accidentally my other cousin. It happens. Accidents happen."
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Post by gar on May 24, 2018 6:35:32 GMT
"I'm not there to judge them, but in my family, it happened once with my cousin," Adrian Martinez told KXXV. "My cousin killed accidentally my other cousin. It happens. Accidents happen."
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Post by gar on May 24, 2018 6:38:39 GMT
Not looking good for the forthcoming summit talks... BBC
In particular the analysis by Laura Bicker towards the bottom of the page too out to me - "The US had been warned, and yet Mr Pence decided to repeat the comparison anyway."
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Post by gar on May 24, 2018 6:39:16 GMT
Linda Eddy, a neighbor, said there is “no way” that the family would leave a loaded gun out. “They're good people, they're Christians,” she said. “They're good people, and take care of their children and make sure they have everything they need." Guess not.No shit!!
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Post by Merge on May 24, 2018 9:50:12 GMT
Ha. I hope more team chairmen/people in charge/wealthiest players do this. And what would really be a stick in the eye is if the NFL turned around and donated the fine money to candidates or organizations that support social justice issues.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 24, 2018 12:44:02 GMT
Ha. I hope more team chairmen/people in charge/wealthiest players do this. And what would really be a stick in the eye is if the NFL turned around and donated the fine money to candidates or organizations that support social justice issues. Yes! And trump made the comment that maybe those who don’t stand for the don’t belong in our country. 😳. Asshat.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 24, 2018 13:14:11 GMT
Linda Eddy, a neighbor, said there is “no way” that the family would leave a loaded gun out. “They're good people, they're Christians,” she said. “They're good people, and take care of their children and make sure they have everything they need." Guess not.What does being a Christian have to do with securing your guns?! Shouldn't good Christians protect their children first and foremost?! "I'm not there to judge them, but in my family, it happened once with my cousin," Adrian Martinez told KXXV. "My cousin killed accidentally my other cousin. It happens. Accidents happen." An unsecured gun used to shoot another person is NOT an accident. When a gun is pointed at a person expect that person to be shot!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 24, 2018 13:15:49 GMT
And trump made the comment that maybe those who don’t stand for the don’t belong in our country. Guess he can lead the way after Gettysburg!
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