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Post by Olan on May 1, 2018 16:35:51 GMT
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Post by Olan on May 1, 2018 16:37:33 GMT
An investigation into the death of a mentally ill man who was repeatedly tased in his shower by two West Milwaukee police officers has concluded with no charges being filed, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm said.
The medical examiner said the cause of Adam Trammell's death on May 25, 2017, was "excited delirium" and the manner of death was undetermined, according to the district attorney's report obtained by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel newspaper.
"I do not believe there is a sufficient factual or legal basis to believe that either officer's actions were a direct or indirect factor in his death," Chisholm said. Excited delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress, unexpected physical strength and sudden death, according to the US National Library of Medicine. But a lawyer for Trammell's family said the 22-year-old
He was naked in the bathtub. He had no weapon," attorney Mark Thomsen said. "There is no reason in any situation that a young African-American male suffering from mental illness should be shot [with a Taser] 15-18 times and then die." He called the police action "unconscionable." "They should have treated him like he had a mental illness and taken him to the hospital," Thomsen said. Trammell's father blasted Chisholm's decision, the Journal-Sentinel reported."This is a nightmare. I can't believe this," Larry Trammell said. "I think those people should resign. The D.A. and the chief of that police department."
Trammell suffered from schizophrenia and was bipolar, said the medical examiner's report, according to CNN affiliate WISN. Officers Michael Rohleder and Anthony Munoz went to Trammell's apartment after somebody called 911 to report a naked man in the hallway, the district attorney's report said. The caller said they feared he was having a "psychotic break," the report said. Body camera video obtained by the Journal-Sentinel showed the officers knocking on the door and breaking it down with a battering ram when nobody answered. The video showed officers walking into the bathroom and speaking to a wet, naked Trammell standing in the shower. They mistakenly call him "Brandon." Trammell, who was drinking a liquid from a clear plastic jug, stared silently at Officer Munoz when Munoz spoke to him, and used his open hand to push Munoz's forearm when the officer touched him, the report said. At that point, the report said, Munoz realized that the liquid Trammell was drinking was hot water. In the body camera video, an officer says, "You're going to get tased," then a snapping sound is heard and Trammell screams and falls onto his back in the tub. A Taser, sometimes called a stun gun, shoots barbs attached to wires that stick into a person's body. The person holding the Taser can deliver an electrical shock, which temporarily incapacitates the person who was shot. Several other jolts of electricity were delivered to Trammell as he struggled with the officers, who handcuffed him and tried to get him out of the tub, the report said. He grabbed onto Munoz's Taser and tried to bite Munoz, the report said. Realizing the Tasers were not effective and that they could not "gain control of" Trammell on their own, the officers went into the apartment hallway, leaving Trammell inside the apartment until backup arrived, the report said. Several officers began carrying him out of the bathroom by hand, and one officer struck him in the face when he struggled, the report said. When they reached the hallway, Trammell began vomiting while remaining combative, the report said, and a Milwaukee Fire paramedic administered ketamine to calm Trammell. His breathing slowed and then stopped, the report said. He was carried to Froedtert Hospital by ambulance and pronounced dead at 6:32 a.m., the report said.
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Post by #notLauren on May 1, 2018 16:43:16 GMT
Let me guess...this guy what black. Because if he wasn't you couldn't give a sh*t about what the police did to him.
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Post by delilahtwo on May 1, 2018 17:04:33 GMT
Let me guess...this guy what black. Because if he wasn't you couldn't give a sh*t about what the police did to him. Seriously? She advocates for the black community. She's trying to educate people about the abuses black people are vulnerable to in the so called justice system. Just because she advocates for black people doesn't mean she doesn't care about non-black people. That was an unnecessarily nasty comment. Is it because you don't like to be reminded of the institutionalized racism that exists?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2018 18:44:41 GMT
Let me guess...this guy what black. Because if he wasn't you couldn't give a sh*t about what the police did to him. Seriously? She advocates for the black community. She's trying to educate people about the abuses black people are vulnerable to in the so called justice system. Just because she advocates for black people doesn't mean she doesn't care about non-black people. That was an unnecessarily nasty comment. Is it because you don't like to be reminded of the institutionalized racism that exists? It’s solely because Lauren/lovetocolor is a hateful, despicable excuse for a human being.
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Post by delilahtwo on May 1, 2018 19:15:11 GMT
I am aware of that paper. I couldn't believe that's what she took out of olan's post. Pretty sad.
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Post by #notLauren on May 1, 2018 19:21:05 GMT
Let me guess...this guy what black. Because if he wasn't you couldn't give a sh*t about what the police did to him. Seriously? She advocates for the black community. She's trying to educate people about the abuses black people are vulnerable to in the so called justice system. Just because she advocates for black people doesn't mean she doesn't care about non-black people. That was an unnecessarily nasty comment. Is it because you don't like to be reminded of the institutionalized racism that exists? She is racist, herself. And I don't buy into the whole abuses of black people when those advocating to help never look at the horrors of black on black crime and the factors that contribute to it. Black murders in Chicago far outstrip the number of blacks abused by the justice system; many times over. Yet it's considered "racist" to even mention the murder of black children in huge numbers by anyone other than the police. to that I say "humbug".
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Post by red88 on May 1, 2018 19:37:07 GMT
This is absolutely disgusting. I would like to say that it's not race I see in this video, but complete and utter empathetic & untrained police officers. IT IS OBVIOUS that this guy had something going in his head, every Joe, Dick & Harry could see that. There is not enough education or awareness of mental illness. It is unacceptable that these "officers' were not charged in his death. In my little world of hope I wish mankind would see each other not as different races but as one human race.
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Post by delilahtwo on May 1, 2018 19:42:01 GMT
Seriously? She advocates for the black community. She's trying to educate people about the abuses black people are vulnerable to in the so called justice system. Just because she advocates for black people doesn't mean she doesn't care about non-black people. That was an unnecessarily nasty comment. Is it because you don't like to be reminded of the institutionalized racism that exists? She is racist, herself. And I don't buy into the whole abuses of black people when those advocating to help never look at the horrors of black on black crime and the factors that contribute to it. Black murders in Chicago far outstrip the number of blacks abused by the justice system; many times over. Yet it's considered "racist" to even mention the murder of black children in huge numbers by anyone other than the police. to that I say "humbug". aaaand then you double down.
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Post by #notLauren on May 1, 2018 19:48:29 GMT
Absolutely
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Post by delilahtwo on May 1, 2018 20:18:57 GMT
BTW, black people can't really be racist because they don't come from a position of power. I can't speak for Olan but I'm sure she decries all crime committed against black people, by black AND white people. But being killed by cops so frequently is a systemic race issue. I'm sorry you can't see that.
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Post by #notLauren on May 1, 2018 20:22:43 GMT
I don't buy into that bullsh*t. Anyone can be racist if they make judgments solely on the color of a person's skin.
And more whites are killed by cops than blacks. And before you start talking proportions, consider the proportion of violent crimes committed by race in proportion to their number in the population.
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Post by delilahtwo on May 1, 2018 20:27:55 GMT
sorry Olan for having your thread hijacked like this.
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Post by epeanymous on May 1, 2018 20:33:25 GMT
If you cannot be safe at home in your own shower, I am not sure where you are supposed to retreat to.
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Olan
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Post by Olan on May 2, 2018 10:58:48 GMT
sorry Olan for having your thread hijacked like this. No worries. My threads have turned it much messier shit shows. Lovetocolor should have done more research.
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Post by luckyexwife on May 2, 2018 13:19:29 GMT
sorry Olan for having your thread hijacked like this. No worries. My threads have turned it much messier shit shows. Lovetocolor should have done more research. Thank you for continuing to bring these issues to the board, even though the threads get messy. I don't often respond here, but I am researching what I can do in my local community to help. I have started with just talking openly with my 3 kids, to bring attention to the issue and to make sure they are part of the solution.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 2, 2018 16:52:59 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening.
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Post by Olan on May 2, 2018 17:02:42 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening. Yet I am the one usually accused of being a troll or bitch right Annie. Lauren has been Lauren for many years. Whenever she starts a fluff thread you will find several peas falling all over themselves to relate in some way to her. Same as it's always been. No weight loss surgery or short lived marriage changes someone just as ugly on the inside so I've always made it a point to ignore Lauren. Didn't you say you'd be avoiding my threads and that I only come here to hurl insults at people?
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Post by jassy on May 2, 2018 17:19:37 GMT
Seriously? She advocates for the black community. She's trying to educate people about the abuses black people are vulnerable to in the so called justice system. Just because she advocates for black people doesn't mean she doesn't care about non-black people. That was an unnecessarily nasty comment. Is it because you don't like to be reminded of the institutionalized racism that exists? She is racist, herself. And I don't buy into the whole abuses of black people when those advocating to help never look at the horrors of black on black crime and the factors that contribute to it. Black murders in Chicago far outstrip the number of blacks abused by the justice system; many times over. Yet it's considered "racist" to even mention the murder of black children in huge numbers by anyone other than the police. to that I say "humbug". You're heinous. The black community has been calling attention to and addressing so-called "black on black" crime for quite some time - do you happen to pay attention to that? I'm guessing not. And you do know that crime happens in criminals' own backyard right? We (people) steal, murder, rape in the communities we live in. So the systemic racism that's segregated and impoverished generations of black people in urban communities gives rise to "black on black crime". Olan, I truly appreciate your efforts to educate a mostly white audience about the huge racial disparity in how police use force. I rarely comment, but I'm always listening/reading/learning from you.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 2, 2018 17:26:04 GMT
Heard about this murder the other day. It's beyond disgusting and horrifying. No logic at all.
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Post by #notLauren on May 2, 2018 17:54:17 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening. So in otherwords, whether or not I am Lauren, there is no winning. If I post only on political threads, you bash it and say I only do that; if I post on fluff threads, you bash it. Fuck you.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 2, 2018 19:17:06 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening. So in otherwords, whether or not I am Lauren, there is no winning. If I post only on political threads, you bash it and say I only do that; if I post on fluff threads, you bash it. Fuck you. Let me ask you something, @#notLauren, what is your opinion of what happened to Adam Trammel?
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Post by Olan on May 2, 2018 19:18:20 GMT
Who gives a damn what Lauren thinks?
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Post by MizIndependent on May 2, 2018 19:21:39 GMT
Who gives a damn what Lauren thinks? Is your name #notLauren?
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Post by Skellinton on May 2, 2018 20:08:40 GMT
Who gives a damn what Lauren thinks? Is your name #notLauren? My name is not notLauren either, but I agree with Olan. The more people engage and bait Lauren/notLauren the more likely she is to keep coming around deriving what ever pervese pleasure or feeling of self satisfaction it is she gets from posting here. Everytime people respond to or engage her she just gets more awful. She is never going to change, nothing anyone posts to her is going to do anything but egg her on. Engaging her isn’t going to make you look better or smarter. It isn’t going to make her agree with you. You all know how this is going to go right? She will argue with you for a bit, then when she gets bored or tired or realizes she doesn’t have anymore comebacks or fake gotcha moments she will announce in grandiose fashion that she has better things to do. That she has friends, family, her job, her life, etc and that we are not worth her time, also implying that we are are lonely and miserable and have no lives of our own. Then she will disappear for a week or so and then come back and post about something innocuous. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Post by Skellinton on May 2, 2018 20:11:45 GMT
And to OlanThis is such a travesty of justice it makes my skin crawl. I really wish mental health issues could be dealt with better in this country and I am sorry for the victim and for how he must have suffered.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 2, 2018 20:14:36 GMT
My name is not notLauren either, but I agree with Olan. The more people engage and bait Lauren/notLauren the more likely she is to keep coming around deriving what ever pervese pleasure or feeling of self satisfaction it is she gets from posting here. Everytime people respond to or engage her she just gets more awful. She is never going to change, nothing anyone posts to her is going to do anything but egg her on. Engaging her isn’t going to make you look better or smarter. It isn’t going to make her agree with you. You all know how this is going to go right? She will argue with you for a bit, then when she gets bored or tired or realizes she doesn’t have anymore comebacks or fake gotcha moments she will announce in grandiose fashion that she has better things to do. That she has friends, family, her job, her life, etc and that we are not worth her time, also implying that we are are lonely and miserable and have no lives of our own. Then she will disappear for a week or so and then come back and post about something innocuous. Lather, rinse, repeat. You've got a good point, @skellinton.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 2, 2018 21:04:54 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening. Yet I am the one usually accused of being a troll or bitch right Annie. Lauren has been Lauren for many years. Whenever she starts a fluff thread you will find several peas falling all over themselves to relate in some way to her. Same as it's always been. No weight loss surgery or short lived marriage changes someone just as ugly on the inside so I've always made it a point to ignore Lauren. Didn't you say you'd be avoiding my threads and that I only come here to hurl insults at people? No idea, but then I am not a spreadsheet keeper. All I remember about our exchanges was your ridiculous assertion about my username.
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Post by carhoch on May 2, 2018 21:54:39 GMT
Let me guess...this guy what black. Because if he wasn't you couldn't give a sh*t about what the police did to him. Psst @notlauren your racism is showing
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 2, 2018 22:23:17 GMT
You wait. Any minute now Lauren will start a thread about soft furnishings or container gardening. So in otherwords, whether or not I am Lauren, there is no winning. If I post only on political threads, you bash it and say I only do that; if I post on fluff threads, you bash it. Fuck you. Such style and class.
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