MizIndependent
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Quit your bullpoop.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 4, 2018 15:52:56 GMT
It boils down to Constitutionality in this one, specific case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 16:10:18 GMT
Well, let the court of public opinion reign and pass judgment monetarily!
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Post by oliquig on Jun 4, 2018 16:14:09 GMT
The thing that had always bothered me about this, is do these people who refuse to work on same sex weddings also refuse to work on weddings for those who have been divorced, or those who already live together, or even those who are not going into the wedding as virgins?
All of the above is in the bible and a part of church teachings, so it seems to me unless he bans all, he is just being a discriminating jerk and it has nothing to do with religion.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jun 4, 2018 16:18:25 GMT
From what I’ve read, this Baker would also have refused to do cakes for divorced etc. As well he refuses to do custom cakes in these instances. But anyone was free to walk in and purchase one that was already made
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Post by jenis40 on Jun 4, 2018 16:21:13 GMT
It’s my understanding that the ruling doesn’t really address the question of discrimination. It kind of boiled down to the Colorado human rights commissioners (or one) was an asshole about the baker’s religion (or Christianity in general) and therefore the human rights commission wasn’t fair to the baker.
I’m disappointed that the ruling didn’t really address the original question and we will continue to see other discrimination cases wind their way through the courts.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 4, 2018 16:25:03 GMT
All I can say is "Yea!!!!"
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Jun 4, 2018 17:00:52 GMT
I don't understand how 7-2 is a narrow ruling...
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Post by myshelly on Jun 4, 2018 17:05:18 GMT
I don't understand how 7-2 is a narrow ruling... Narrow doesn’t refer to the score. It refers to the scope of the decision. It’s narrow in the sense that it specifically applies to only this situation, it doesn’t make a broad policy. If you read the second paragraph of the quoted article, you should be able to understand the word narrow in this context.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 4, 2018 17:08:12 GMT
For headline only readers - the "narrow" decision in this case refers to the precedent set and the very specific circumstances in the case. I was shocked that the decision was 7-2 as I wouldn't have expected the more liberal members of the bench to rule in the baker's favor. But in reading the decision it's clear that there was some significant issues with the Colorado Commission. From the ruling: Full ruling here: www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/read-supreme-court-masterpiece-cupcake-decision/index.html
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Jun 4, 2018 17:18:24 GMT
Thank you myshelly and Darcy Collins... i didn't understand...now I get it.. He wouldn't be my chosen baker...
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 4, 2018 17:22:55 GMT
Thank you myshelly and Darcy Collins ... i didn't understand...now I get it.. He wouldn't be my chosen baker... I want to clarify that I posted my comment before seeing your question - I was not at all implying you're just a headline reader! I read the headline and saw 7-2 and had the exact same reaction of how is that narrow? Until I read the article. I figured many who just read the headline would have a similar thought, which is why I worded it that way.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 4, 2018 17:31:02 GMT
From what I’ve read, this Baker would also have refused to do cakes for divorced etc. As well he refuses to do custom cakes in these instances. But anyone was free to walk in and purchase one that was already made which leads to the question in my head, do you have to fill out a questionnaire on your life style, choices, experiences and who you are? or do you just get 'judged' ? Thanks but no thanks.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jun 4, 2018 17:38:49 GMT
I've been reading articles about this ruling and it is clear from the comments from both sides that they really don't understand this ruling at all. It doesn't set the precedent that they think it does.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 4, 2018 18:03:16 GMT
I've been reading articles about this ruling and it is clear from the comments from both sides that they really don't understand this ruling at all. It doesn't set the precedent that they think it does. I agree. I think all this ruling does is make clear there will be a first amendment aspect to the final shake out. I think we're going to see at least 2 or 3 rulings where simple good and services are going to be clearly ruled as non-discriminatory (a shirt is a shirt is a shirt - you need to sell to all) while areas where one argues the party is creating art (I think photographers definitely fall in this category) will be allowed to deny based on their first amendment rights. Who knows where a custom designed cake will fall when the baker isn't first deemed to have been denied a fair hearing in the commission.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jun 4, 2018 18:10:16 GMT
From what I’ve read, this Baker would also have refused to do cakes for divorced etc. As well he refuses to do custom cakes in these instances. But anyone was free to walk in and purchase one that was already made which leads to the question in my head, do you have to fill out a questionnaire on your life style, choices, experiences and who you are? or do you just get 'judged' ? Thanks but no thanks. I'm not sure how he perceives how to choose his customers but he does live by his principles. People may not agree with them but he does. (Eg; he won't do Halloween cakes either)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 18:23:44 GMT
Well, let the court of public opinion reign and pass judgment monetarily! How many bakeries in Morocco provide wedding cakes for same sex weddings? You pass your judgment monetarily also, right?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 4, 2018 18:46:09 GMT
He and others like him should just make it known on their websites what their beliefs are and that they discriminate. That will make it so people who don’t agree can steer clear and those who agree can give them business. I’m not sure how they find out if the couple is same sex but I would like to know if a business is discriminating towards others so that I can avoid that business.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 4, 2018 18:50:02 GMT
Or perhaps those bakers that don't care should just put "we handle all weddings".
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Post by PLurker on Jun 4, 2018 19:00:59 GMT
which leads to question in my head, do you have to fill out a questionnaire on your life style, choices, experiences and who you are? or do you just get 'judged' ? Thanks but no thanks. I'm not sure how he perceives how to choose his customers but he does live by his principles. People may not agree with them but he does. (Eg; he won't do Halloween cakes either) but he doesn't do Halloween cakes. for.anyone. not just those he doesn't approve of. I find that different.
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Post by Merge on Jun 4, 2018 19:23:04 GMT
Well, let the court of public opinion reign and pass judgment monetarily! How many bakeries in Morocco provide wedding cakes for same sex weddings? You pass your judgment monetarily also, right? Yeah, y’all just love the free market ... until you don’t.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 4, 2018 19:32:34 GMT
It’s my understanding that the ruling doesn’t really address the question of discrimination. It kind of boiled down to the Colorado human rights commissioners (or one) was an asshole about the baker’s religion (or Christianity in general) and therefore the human rights commission wasn’t fair to the baker. I’m disappointed that the ruling didn’t really address the original question and we will continue to see other discrimination cases wind their way through the courts.  Also, Justice Roberts wanted the court to go further but they just kind of kicked that case down the road.
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Post by peano on Jun 4, 2018 19:41:01 GMT
Well, let the court of public opinion reign and pass judgment monetarily! How many bakeries in Morocco provide wedding cakes for same sex weddings? You pass your judgment monetarily also, right?  What does your first question even mean? Are you saying that because she lives in Morocco, she can't have her own beliefs? I live in Connecticut but I don't find preppy fashion to be the bee's knees. We all pass judgment monetarily in numerous ways--what's the big deal? I think this is a perfect opportunity for like-minded cake bakers (and any other creatives unwilling to kowtow to the religious right) to organize and maybe create logos for advertising that their services are open to all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 19:47:08 GMT
How many bakeries in Morocco provide wedding cakes for same sex weddings? You pass your judgment monetarily also, right? Yeah, y’all just love the free market ... until you don’t. And y'all love to bash some religions but not others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 19:55:39 GMT
How many bakeries in Morocco provide wedding cakes for same sex weddings? You pass your judgment monetarily also, right?  What does your first question even mean? Are you saying that because she lives in Morocco, she can't have her own beliefs? I live in Connecticut but I don't find preppy fashion to be the bee's knees. We all pass judgment monetarily in numerous ways--what's the big deal? I think this is a perfect opportunity for like-minded cake bakers (and any other creatives unwilling to kowtow to the religious right) to organize and maybe create logos for advertising that their services are open to all. It's very rich for one to hope for a "monetary judgment" against a business in this country when the country they choose to live in will jail people for simply being gay, and whose own religion is anti-gay. Would that poster boycott bakeries in her own country if a same sex couple wanted to marry and have a cake made? We know the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 20:07:34 GMT
What would happen if a same-sex couple walked into a Muslim bakery wanting a wedding cake made for them. Would the bakery oblige? If not, would the couple take it on up to the Supreme Court? Would people criticize the Muslim religion? Would people want a boycott?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 4, 2018 20:09:51 GMT
Yeah, y’all just love the free market ... until you don’t. And y'all love to bash some religions but not others. I’ll own up to selective religion bashing. You say that like it’s a bad thing. <shrug>
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Post by Leone on Jun 4, 2018 20:22:24 GMT
Finally, something that makes sense. I am so sick of this entire issue.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 4, 2018 20:22:49 GMT
What would happen if a same-sex couple walked into a Muslim bakery wanting a wedding cake made for them. Would the bakery oblige? If not, would the couple take it on up to the Supreme Court? Would people criticize the Muslim religion? Would people want a boycott? Well, here's one Muslim's perspective on it: religionnews.com/2017/12/06/a-muslim-perspective-on-the-masterpiece-cakeshop-case/ From an Islamic perspective, religion is not serving its purpose if human dignity is compromised. Religiously motivated discrimination goes against the Islamic principles of tolerance and protection of individual rights.
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American Muslims understand that religious liberty should be interpreted in ways that are equality-enhancing, not equality-denying, and that in order for America’s values of freedom and equality to prevail, our religious freedoms cannot come at the cost of another’s civil liberty.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 4, 2018 20:23:28 GMT
So... what about other things besides cakes. I do not care for anything with the rebel flag. I live in the midwest and I think it is beyond ridiculous that people want to put it on anything here. That includes "my" Congressman who had one on his desk.
I make vinyl decals and heat transfer decals. Not a big business, but a small side hustle. I won't do anything with the rebel flag or anything that really chaps my hide (like most political things also). I just say I won't do it. Am I violating free speech?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 4, 2018 20:23:32 GMT
Finally, something that makes sense. I am so sick of this entire issue. What part of it are you sick of? How has this issue impacted you on a personal level?
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