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Post by Rainbow on Jun 29, 2018 18:32:58 GMT
It is not a true democracy, it is a constitutional republic. Yes, we get it. Thank you. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 29, 2018 19:43:40 GMT
Which is a type of representative democracy... Pedants gonna pedant, though.  Hey, I resemble that. I’m a loud and proud pedant, but to correct “the press is an important part of democracy” is goofily unnecessary pedantism. It changes nothing. And as long as we’ve strolled down the road: What a constitutional lawyer has to say on the subject.
Even without that explanation, SockMonkey and jennyap were absolutely right. And it would be ludicrous to deny that describing our political system as a democracy is regularly done by people of all different ideologies, including within our educational systems. Now “free-est country in the world” and “leader of the free world?” I’d quibble with that in a New York second. And not for nothin’, there are tens of millions of people who need to learn what “socialism” means before throwing the word about with such abandon. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 29, 2018 19:46:48 GMT
Pedants gonna pedant, though. Hey, I resemble that. So to further my role: What a constitutional lawyer has to say on the subject.
Even without that explanation, jennyap was absolutely right. It would be ludicrous to deny that describing our political system as a democracy is regularly done by people of all different ideologies, including within our educational systems. Now “free-est country in the world” and “leader of the free world?” I’d quibble with that in a New York second.  |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 30, 2018 0:41:16 GMT
Pedants gonna pedant, though. Hey, I resemble that. I’m a loud and proud pedant, but to correct “the press is an important part of democracy” is goofily unnecessary pedantism. It changes nothing. And as long as we’ve strolled down the road: What a constitutional lawyer has to say on the subject.
Even without that explanation, SockMonkey and jennyap were absolutely right. And it would be ludicrous to deny that describing our political system as a democracy is regularly done by people of all different ideologies, including within our educational systems. Now “free-est country in the world” and “leader of the free world?” I’d quibble with that in a New York second. And not for nothin’, there are tens of millions of people who need to learn what “socialism” means before throwing the word about with such abandon. I am just so, so crazy for you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 0:55:49 GMT
Hey, I resemble that. I’m a loud and proud pedant, but to correct “the press is an important part of democracy” is goofily unnecessary pedantism. It changes nothing. And as long as we’ve strolled down the road: What a constitutional lawyer has to say on the subject.
Even without that explanation, SockMonkey and jennyap were absolutely right. And it would be ludicrous to deny that describing our political system as a democracy is regularly done by people of all different ideologies, including within our educational systems. Now “free-est country in the world” and “leader of the free world?” I’d quibble with that in a New York second. And not for nothin’, there are tens of millions of people who need to learn what “socialism” means before throwing the word about with such abandon. I am just so, so crazy for you. Get behind me....Lucy! Ameila has been my “pea crush” for evah! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 6:49:45 GMT
The other night the president called the journalists the enemy of the people and 2 days later this happened ... coincidence or not ? Now we know it's a coincidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 7:01:55 GMT
You mean anti-media rhetoric or did I miss something? I mean anti-American, because the press is an important part of democracy. And people keep forgetting that to denigrate and threaten the press is to do damage to a foundational principal of our government. The press is doing enough to damage their own credibility, which in turn does damage to a foundational principle of government. They've abandoned their Left-wing cheerleading (the very bias that made a Trump win a complete shock), they've abandoned that and any remaining journalistic integrity for their newfound role of activists. The very bias that's now going to make a Trump re-election yet ANOTHER complete shock. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 7:11:50 GMT
I mean anti-American, because the press is an important part of democracy. And people keep forgetting that to denigrate and threaten the press is to do damage to a foundational principal of our government. Also, I feel the same way when he and the GOP denigrate our intelligence agencies to protect their own skin, throwing out accusations on a whim. If they are truly doing something wrong, hold an investigation and let us know what the verdict is and why, and how the issue is being resolved. Stop undermining them at every turn and causing the American people to lose faith in them for your own self-interests. That's dangerous and will affect their ability to do their jobs for decades to come, here and internationally. /hijack They did and they did. Turns out they were truly doing something wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 8:51:27 GMT
Apparently, from the reports, the man that shot the 5 people had lost a lawsuit for defamation in 2013. His name is Jarrod W. Ramos, 38. So, if this is true, it probably didn't have anything to do with Trump or Mrs. Waters. except that DT, at his rally in South Caroline earlier this week, pointed to the journalists in the back of the room and shouted "they are the enemy of the people!" and Milo Yiannopoulos, trump supporter, stated that reporters should be 'gunned down on site' just two days ago. Cause and effect. Whether the shooter had a beef against the paper himself, dt's words contributed to his actions. You cannot divorce the two. DT has blood on his hands, to go with the treason and fraud.
Not a coincidence. These comments can trigger actions on the part of the unstable. When the President makes statements such as this he enables his supporters to take action. WORDS matter! And words from the President allow those who blindly follow him to remove all inhibitions from taking action. The shooter started harassing the paper and its staff shortly after the 2011 article he had a problem with. The harassment escalated for years with online threats, and the former editor Thomas Marquardt called police in 2013 and said "This is a guy who is going to come in and shoot us." This is something that had been going on for years and really had NOTHING to do with Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 13:00:01 GMT
Which is a type of representative democracy... The system of governing is still a representative democracy. You can have two types of democracy - Direct Democracy where the power in the hands of the people or Representative democracy where the people transfer that power to the elected representative - both are still a democracy style of government. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 13:06:10 GMT
And not for nothin’, there are tens of millions of people who need to learn what “socialism” means before throwing the word about with such abandon. Worth repeating. Even the Democratic Socialist of America party are nowhere near being socialist  |
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Post by Merge on Jun 30, 2018 14:05:55 GMT
And not for nothin’, there are tens of millions of people who need to learn what “socialism” means before throwing the word about with such abandon. Worth repeating. Even the Democratic Socialist of America party are nowhere near being socialist Well, you know ... "liberal" is losing its power as a put-down. So they have to call us socialists to up the fear factor with their base. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 30, 2018 14:13:53 GMT
Some real men haters here. I guess they're the "acceptable" group to hate. Apparently, if they're white, middle-aged and Christian, they are the blame for everything in the US. |
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 30, 2018 15:01:42 GMT
except that DT, at his rally in South Caroline earlier this week, pointed to the journalists in the back of the room and shouted "they are the enemy of the people!" and Milo Yiannopoulos, trump supporter, stated that reporters should be 'gunned down on site' just two days ago. Cause and effect. Whether the shooter had a beef against the paper himself, dt's words contributed to his actions. You cannot divorce the two. DT has blood on his hands, to go with the treason and fraud.
Not a coincidence. These comments can trigger actions on the part of the unstable. When the President makes statements such as this he enables his supporters to take action. WORDS matter! And words from the President allow those who blindly follow him to remove all inhibitions from taking action. The shooter started harassing the paper and its staff shortly after the 2011 article he had a problem with. The harassment escalated for years with online threats, and the former editor Thomas Marquardt called police in 2013 and said "This is a guy who is going to come in and shoot us." This is something that had been going on for years and really had NOTHING to do with Trump. If it has been going on for years, what happened that triggered him to commit the actual shooting NOW? I'm interested in that, and hope we find out what reason he has for actually doing it. Can't help but wonder if recent words were a trigger, but we won't know unless he talks. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 30, 2018 17:05:49 GMT
It is not a true democracy, it is a constitutional republic. The system of governing is still a representative democracy. You can have two types of democracy - Direct Democracy where the power in the hands of the people or Representative democracy where the people transfer that power to the elected representative - both are still a democracy style of government. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 17:56:45 GMT
The system of governing is still a representative democracy. You can have two types of democracy - Direct Democracy where the power in the hands of the people or Representative democracy where the people transfer that power to the elected representative - both are still a democracy style of government. You're just being silly now for silly's sake. We have a constitutional Monarchy but we're still a democracy. I doubt anyone on this forum doesn't know that America is a Constitutional Republic. Maybe you need to remind your president of that though! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 18:32:52 GMT
Worth repeating. Even the Democratic Socialist of America party are nowhere near being socialist Well, you know ... "liberal" is losing its power as a put-down. So they have to call us socialists to up the fear factor with their base. I don't see "liberal" as a put down. What I do see are the actions of too many, creating their own put down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 18:37:20 GMT
The shooter started harassing the paper and its staff shortly after the 2011 article he had a problem with. The harassment escalated for years with online threats, and the former editor Thomas Marquardt called police in 2013 and said "This is a guy who is going to come in and shoot us." This is something that had been going on for years and really had NOTHING to do with Trump. If it has been going on for years, what happened that triggered him to commit the actual shooting NOW? I'm interested in that, and hope we find out what reason he has for actually doing it . Can't help but wonder if recent words were a trigger, but we won't know unless he talks. The reaction to the news of the shooter's actual motivation makes me wonder if what many truly hope is that you find out that the shooter was influenced by Trump's words. |
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 30, 2018 18:48:24 GMT
If it has been going on for years, what happened that triggered him to commit the actual shooting NOW? I'm interested in that, and hope we find out what reason he has for actually doing it . Can't help but wonder if recent words were a trigger, but we won't know unless he talks. The reaction to the news of the shooter's actual motivation makes me wonder if what many truly hope is that you find out that the shooter was influenced by Trump's words. Personally, I have this maybe crazy hope that by understanding more about the "why" of a shooting like this we might be able to eventually prevent some of them from happening. When a shooter dies by his own hand or is killed by law enforcement, we have no chance of ever getting direct information from them about their motives. Of course, there is no guarantee we will get useful information from this guy, but he is alive so there is at least a chance to find out what caused him to act now when his prior harassment of the newspaper happened five years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 19:05:52 GMT
The reaction to the news of the shooter's actual motivation makes me wonder if what many truly hope is that you find out that the shooter was influenced by Trump's words. Personally, I have this maybe crazy hope that by understanding more about the "why" of a shooting like this we might be able to eventually prevent some of them from happening. When a shooter dies by his own hand or is killed by law enforcement, we have no chance of ever getting direct information from them about their motives. Of course, there is no guarantee we will get useful information from this guy, but he is alive so there is at least a chance to find out what caused him to act now when his prior harassment of the newspaper happened five years ago. I always want to know what motivated a shooter too. The Parkland shooter also had a years long history of "being a possible shooter" so maybe in these situations whatever the motivation is, just festers until one day they decide to act on it. As I said, considering the reported motivation, I seriously doubt Trump had anything to do with his motivation. |
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