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Post by gale w on Jul 22, 2018 3:35:13 GMT
Apparently, they are going to be working t0pgether... and I got in trouble with Lydia @ Splitcoast (again). Spill! What happened at scs? |
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Post by nurseypants on Jul 22, 2018 13:05:12 GMT
Lydia's a Trump supporter; it's so ironic to me that she talks incessantly about being nice.
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Post by gale w on Jul 22, 2018 15:52:53 GMT
I'm hoping we can keep politics out of this thread. 🤞🙏
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 22, 2018 16:59:51 GMT
Apparently, they are going to be working t0pgether... and I got in trouble with Lydia @ Splitcoast (again). Yeah, me too. Not the first time. In fact, once she chastised me for reporting a spammer.  And she didn't delete or close the thread that the spammer started. She told everyone to stop replying to it so that it would be buried at the bottom of the board.  |
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 22, 2018 19:14:58 GMT
Apparently, they are going to be working t0pgether... and I got in trouble with Lydia @ Splitcoast (again). Spill! What happened at scs? Just Lydia's usual crap and bullying if someone says something she doesn't like. It was a discussion about Tonic and My Skanky Petunia working together and I said I didn't think it was going to happen (who wants to work with someone that sues you?). She came back and said it wasn't true and they were both pleased about the deal (she didn't give any details other than that). The lawsuit was also in the discussion and her threat to the gentleman on this board where she threatened to sue. Basically, she is thick as thieves with My Skanky Petunia and doesn't want anyone saying anything negative about them. She just chose my post because we've had differences before and she is petty. She's banned me a few times for saying something she doesn't like. A few other people called her out on her bullying and favoritism. She closed the thread. If you aren't banned you can see the thread here: www.splitcoaststampers.com/forums/general-stamping-talk-f17/stamping-platforms-t623738-3.html#post21691273 |
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 22, 2018 19:20:22 GMT
Lydia's a Trump supporter; it's so ironic to me that she talks incessantly about being nice. Politics aside, she is part of the Jennifer McGuire "crew" and Jennifer's whole life motto is about being "nice". She's a Jennifer wannabe. |
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Post by nurseypants on Jul 22, 2018 20:49:28 GMT
I'm hoping we can keep politics out of this thread. 🤞🙏 Sorry, yo! I wasn't trying to derail the thread! I'm too used to NSBR! I'll keep political observations and comments over there. I am enjoying this thread, though. I hope MSP doesn't come for the SU stamparatus - I really like the it.
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Post by missymarlin on Jul 22, 2018 21:08:25 GMT
Apparently, they are going to be working t0pgether... and I got in trouble with Lydia @ Splitcoast (again). Yeah, me too. Not the first time. In fact, once she chastised me for reporting a spammer. And she didn't delete or close the thread that the spammer started. She told everyone to stop replying to it so that it would be buried at the bottom of the board. I remember that spammer post and just sat there with my mouth open. It clearly was a spam post, but she and her carbon copy, that cow Dini both took everyone to task for being upset that they chose to leave the spammer post up. It was incredibly stupid and the last straw for me. I do still go there to look at the gallery for ideas, but no longer can stomach the mods there. |
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Post by missymarlin on Jul 22, 2018 21:28:02 GMT
Spill! What happened at scs? Just Lydia's usual crap and bullying if someone says something she doesn't like. It was a discussion about Tonic and My Skanky Petunia working together and I said I didn't think it was going to happen (who wants to work with someone that sues you?). She came back and said it wasn't true and they were both pleased about the deal (she didn't give any details other than that). The lawsuit was also in the discussion and her threat to the gentleman on this board where she threatened to sue. Basically, she is thick as thieves with My Skanky Petunia and doesn't want anyone saying anything negative about them. She just chose my post because we've had differences before and she is petty. She's banned me a few times for saying something she doesn't like. A few other people called her out on her bullying and favoritism. She closed the thread. If you aren't banned you can see the thread here: www.splitcoaststampers.com/forums/general-stamping-talk-f17/stamping-platforms-t623738-3.html#post21691273I can't believe Lydia did that. It is pretty clear Lydia and Stinky Petunia are cut from the same cloth. She wouldn't recognize "nice" if it bit her in the butt. |
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 23, 2018 2:40:37 GMT
Yeah, me too. Not the first time. In fact, once she chastised me for reporting a spammer. And she didn't delete or close the thread that the spammer started. She told everyone to stop replying to it so that it would be buried at the bottom of the board. I remember that spammer post and just sat there with my mouth open. It clearly was a spam post, but she and her carbon copy, that cow Dini both took everyone to task for being upset that they chose to leave the spammer post up. It was incredibly stupid and the last straw for me. I do still go there to look at the gallery for ideas, but no longer can stomach the mods there. Yes, Dini is just as bad. I have a feeling they knew who the spammer was and chose not to do anything about it. Otherwise, that was just plain stupid. Of course, that's a possibility too.  |
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Post by bigelow on Jul 23, 2018 14:50:59 GMT
As I read all these comments about how "nasty" MSP is and how you judge Lydia for doing her job (keeping a message board a nice and welcoming place), I cannot help but think that you are all acting the same childish way you perceive the people you are complaining about.
The settlement was made, both parties are happy with the outcome. Why do you really care so much about someone you don't know? I just cannot understand this mentality at all.
There are lots of people in business who use lawyers to protect their interests, whether we think it is right or not.
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 23, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
As I read all these comments about how "nasty" MSP is and how you judge Lydia for doing her job (keeping a message board a nice and welcoming place), I cannot help but think that you are all acting the same childish way you perceive the people you are complaining about. The settlement was made, both parties are happy with the outcome. Why do you really care so much about someone you don't know? I just cannot understand this mentality at all. There are lots of people in business who use lawyers to protect their interests, whether we think it is right or not. Lydia is a bully. Plain and simple. The way she chooses which posts she will/will not allow is never consistent. There have been many posts about PTI where specific names have been used the threads never get locked or deleted. She is a huge supporter of Stinky Petunia and I believe she shows quite a bit of favoritism about things that are posted on the topic. I don't find SCS "nice and welcoming". The world is not all unicorns, rainbows, cotton candy, and glitter. Unfortunately, there are poor quality stamping-related products made and less than desirable companies doing business. Personally, I don't like having to worry about every little thing I post there, even my opinions about stamping products and companies. Are both parties happy? Unless the details of the settlement are made public I (which I am sure they won't be) we will never know. Personally, I would never want to work with someone that sued me... maybe the joint effort was forced as part of the settlement and Tonic is just being professional about the whole thing. If you are happy there, good for you. I have had enough of Lydia's BS. |
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Post by missymarlin on Jul 23, 2018 18:59:36 GMT
As I read all these comments about how "nasty" MSP is and how you judge Lydia for doing her job (keeping a message board a nice and welcoming place), I cannot help but think that you are all acting the same childish way you perceive the people you are complaining about. The settlement was made, both parties are happy with the outcome. Why do you really care so much about someone you don't know? I just cannot understand this mentality at all. There are lots of people in business who use lawyers to protect their interests, whether we think it is right or not. We may not personally "know" them. but many of us have been the victim of their business practices in the case of MSP or have borne the brunt of the attacks from Lydia and her accompanists at SCS. I bought a Misty back when they first came out and it immediately started to crack. I had only used it 4 times in a week when I was diagnosed with stage IV cancer and gosh, rather than try to return it, I spent the next 4 months fighting for my life with multiple surgeries and starting chemo treatment before then starting radiation. I did not feel well enough to even enter my craft room until about 5 months after I bought the defective product. It simply sat unused on my desk the entire time. When I saw it the next time, the entire lid was full of cracks. I tried to have it replaced, but I had waited too long, there was a 30 day guarantee and it probably had been misused. So yeh, while you may think it is "childish", I think I was ripped off. It had only been used 4 times. I have moved on, but would never buy nor give MSP any of my money nor attention again. I do not think anyone is upset with one hiring lawyers to protect themselves, and if that is all you have gotten out of all the posts here, you don't seem to have much skill in truly identifying the issues. People are upset because of the way MSP treated their customers who bought their defective product in good faith and then were treated poorly when the product failed through no fault of the customer. You may not have any problem with that, but most others understandably do. SCS seems hypocritical in that it is hard to tell exactly what will set Lydia off. The same toned posts about one topic are ignored, but the hand slapping starts if it involves one of her favorites. If she applied her "nice" rules consistently that would be different. The bullying and playing favorites on SCS is very apparent if one just reads the posts with a clear and thoughtful mind. The spammer post in particular is one that if you read it along with knowledge of the other posts by the original poster, it is clear it was spam. www.splitcoaststampers.com/forums/general-stamping-talk-f17/take-good-care-your-rubber-stamp-stamp-pad-t624613.html It had links to a business website that apparently were deleted at some point. It was pointed out that the poster had been banned at another craft website after posting the exact same thing. The same person posted this same or similar material in 3 different topics on SCS, one immediately after the other and it would seem the more appropriate course would have been to delete it rather than hand slap others for reporting it. Other clear spam posts had been deleted in the past without berating other members. I do not know many who find clear spam posts "nice nor welcoming". I no longer read the forums at SCS as it is just too annoying to see the "crew" in action. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and one would hope you would you also respect the right of others to express theirs even if you don't agree with them. |
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 23, 2018 19:10:00 GMT
missymarlin, your link is coming up as "page not found".
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Post by ashwyness on Jul 23, 2018 19:28:57 GMT
I guess for me, I never had issues with my MISTI, I have a very old one, and I use it constantly. I've dropped it on the floor, my dogs have stepped on it, with no problems. Mine is one of the first ones. My friend bought one, that came cracked in the mail - it was promptly replaced with no questions and she kept the old one. Guess what? Her old one with the crack, still works. This is not that fragile of a product. But, don't we all buy things every day that break if we don't handle them with care? Nothing is indestructible. Think about your cell phone...if you get it wet, its toast. Apple, or Samsung, are not going to give you a freebie if you messed up, would you expect them to? And they could afford to absorb that cost.
So, I've been around for a really long time. I remember a FB group that was started as misti fans or something like that - they had to change the name if I recall. At any rate, people on there got so mad that there were several posts where people were ENCOURAGED to break their MISTI so as to get a free replacement. And I think that is where the trouble started. Imagine if you are a small business owner, and you have seen that people are deliberately trying to get free product from you by trying to crack their MISTI. She probably panicked and did not handle it correctly. I'm guessing at first, her costs were really high when she was making them.
Then there were people who DELIBERATELY copied her invention (and I say invention, simply because prior to this, no one was using anything like it for stamping) THey DELIBERATELY facilitated someone in India making an exact copy of her product JUST TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM HER. The cost for that was a measly $5 less. And people wanted to NOT SUPPORT A US small business in favor of someone overseas, JUST OUT OF SPITE. Whether she should have gotten a patent or if the TH platform is different enough, isn't for me to decide, the patent people did give that her patent.
I'm sure the owner of MSP will say she made mistakes and would do things differently if she had only known as a new business owner with a very popular product just how to do that. Who here has never made a mistake or have any regrets?
She invested in her dream and she fought for it and won. I find that inspiring personally.
Seems like no one can be happy with anything anymore. We buy cheap junk from China, but we want American jobs, you'd think we would be rooting for our own.
Just my 2 cents. No ill will with anyone, just wanted to show a different perspective.
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Post by cbet on Jul 23, 2018 19:57:39 GMT
I guess for me, I never had issues with my MISTI, I have a very old one, and I use it constantly. I've dropped it on the floor, my dogs have stepped on it, with no problems. Mine is one of the first ones. My friend bought one, that came cracked in the mail - it was promptly replaced with no questions and she kept the old one. Guess what? Her old one with the crack, still works. This is not that fragile of a product. But, don't we all buy things every day that break if we don't handle them with care? Nothing is indestructible. Think about your cell phone...if you get it wet, its toast. Apple, or Samsung, are not going to give you a freebie if you messed up, would you expect them to? And they could afford to absorb that cost. But your cell phone is not meant to be gotten wet, and you know that when you get the phone. The MISTIs that were cracking were doing so while being used as they were meant to be used, and MSP was claiming that they had been mishandled. I'm sure she was worried about the $$ it was going to cost her to replace them, but the price paid for them was not at the level of a disposable tool. It's a lot of money, so I would expect the product to last. You were lucky that yours fell in a way that it didn't break, and your friend was REALLY lucky (based on other people's experiences) to get hers replaced with no hassle.So, I've been around for a really long time. I remember a FB group that was started as misti fans or something like that - they had to change the name if I recall. At any rate, people on there got so mad that there were several posts where people were ENCOURAGED to break their MISTI so as to get a free replacement. And I think that is where the trouble started. Imagine if you are a small business owner, and you have seen that people are deliberately trying to get free product from you by trying to crack their MISTI. She probably panicked and did not handle it correctly. I'm guessing at first, her costs were really high when she was making them. I wasn't a part of that FB group at the time - I did join it later, after the name had been changed. But I do remember reading bits about that whole thing; they were trying to make sure that if the darned thing broke (and it certainly seemed that a large number of them were cracking) that it was within the very short warranty period. Also, they didn't just "have to change the name" - MSP threatened them with a lawsuit if they didn't, and once they changed the name, that still wasn't good enough because "MISTI" was part of the url. They had to completely close the group and start a new one. She had a group of people who loved the tool and were encouraging others to buy it, and she managed to alienate a huge chunk of them just. like. that.Then there were people who DELIBERATELY copied her invention (and I say invention, simply because prior to this, no one was using anything like it for stamping) THey DELIBERATELY facilitated someone in India making an exact copy of her product JUST TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM HER. The cost for that was a measly $5 less. And people wanted to NOT SUPPORT A US small business in favor of someone overseas, JUST OUT OF SPITE. Whether she should have gotten a patent or if the TH platform is different enough, isn't for me to decide, the patent people did give that her patent. But there was a hinged tool (WRMK Letterpress) that came out way before hers; it wasn't marketed as a stamping platform, but there was a blog post showing it used for that very purpose. There was also a stamp company who packaged their stamps in DVD cases and had been showing their customers how to use those cases as a stamp press, also WAY before the MISTI. Now, I wasn't a fan of the copy from India, but I could understand why it was done.
I'm sure the owner of MSP will say she made mistakes and would do things differently if she had only known as a new business owner with a very popular product just how to do that. Who here has never made a mistake or have any regrets? She invested in her dream and she fought for it and won. I find that inspiring personally. Seems like no one can be happy with anything anymore. We buy cheap junk from China, but we want American jobs, you'd think we would be rooting for our own. But the MISTI isn't made in America anymore, is it. Just my 2 cents. No ill will with anyone, just wanted to show a different perspective. N o ill will here, either. There are those who love their MISTI's; there are those who feel that the MISTI is the better tool but will not use it because of MSP's behavior; there are those who feel the other tools are superior and that's why they use them. I don't have a problem with the people who prefer her tool; I do have a problem with those who get all hand-slappy with those of us who don't prefer her tool and won't use it because of the behavior we've witnessed. (I'm not including you in the hand-slappy group, by the way. I can see why you would prefer the MISTI.) |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 23, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
I've been stamping since 1986.
cbet is correct that stampers were using the WRMK Letterpress as a stamp platform, and using cd/dvd cases as well.
MSP even referred to the WRMK Letterpress in her patent application as a similar device. It definitely pre-dated hers.
I did not agree with those determined to order from India, although I do understand why they didn't want to give her business. She was not very nice here. Not nice at all, despite how her posts read now. She went back and edited out the words that had upset people.
I did make my own homemade version. I did post a link to my blog with a photo of it and what I did. She did NOT threaten me, but perhaps it was partly because it would look pretty silly having a lawyer threaten me for making a stamp platform from 2 photo frames and duct tape.
I don't blame her for suing Hampton Arts. They made a blatent copy. Tonic did not. I thought that the Tonic one was unique and clever.
Regardless, the results of the lawsuit being what they are, customers will have the opportunity to vote with their wallets whether to buy any stamp platforms that will benefit MSP.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 23, 2018 23:07:14 GMT
As I read all these comments about how "nasty" MSP is and how you judge Lydia for doing her job (keeping a message board a nice and welcoming place), I cannot help but think that you are all acting the same childish way you perceive the people you are complaining about. The settlement was made, both parties are happy with the outcome. Why do you really care so much about someone you don't know? I just cannot understand this mentality at all. There are lots of people in business who use lawyers to protect their interests, whether we think it is right or not. As I said before, I don't like bullies, and I don't like hypocrites. If you're going to moderate a message board, then rules apply to everyone. (I could give you at least a half dozen other examples of personal experiences in this area, but I don't feel the need to.) Bullying people who share their DIY versions of things is actually the childish act here, along with playing favorites with the "in" crowd. We're all entitled to our opinions: you, me, and everyone else on this board. I respect your right to have yours, and I expect you to respect mine. |
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Post by missymarlin on Jul 23, 2018 23:24:00 GMT
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 23, 2018 23:36:54 GMT
Yes, missymarlin , that's the one. I'm Scrapjanny over there. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. And Dini isn't even a moderator, so I don't see why she chimed in and told people to move along and comment somewhere else. |
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Post by gale w on Jul 23, 2018 23:54:06 GMT
Sheesh. Condescending post from Dini.
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 24, 2018 0:11:25 GMT
Sheesh. Condescending post from Dini. I hadn't seen that thread before and I didn't realize that Dini was drinking the SCS Kool-Aid. |
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Post by ashwyness on Jul 24, 2018 1:11:14 GMT
Well, perhaps the partnership beween Tonic and MSP will yield something really great for everyone. I do not see how this could be a bad thing.
It’s entirely possible that we the consumer will be he winner in all of this.
Maybe a better built product with a better price point. Just a thought.
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Btw, I do have a tonic platform too. It doesn’t perform as good as my Misti. The only thing I like it for is the large background stamps, and even then, there are dead spots in it. I purchased it for the size. I’d love a memory Misti, but even with sales, it’s a lot of money for my crafting budget.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 24, 2018 3:37:24 GMT
Well, perhaps the partnership beween Tonic and MSP will yield something really great for everyone. I do not see how this could be a bad thing. It’s entirely possible that we the consumer will be he winner in all of this. Maybe a better built product with a better price point. Just a thought. . Btw, I do have a tonic platform too. It doesn’t perform as good as my Misti. The only thing I like it for is the large background stamps, and even then, there are dead spots in it. I purchased it for the size. I’d love a memory Misti, but even with sales, it’s a lot of money for my crafting budget. I never bought a MISTI. I was going to, until I read the reviews about cracking, and the comments that MSP made here. She seems to have since edited and sanitized what she wrote long ago. I was thrilled to get my hands on the Tonic platform when it finally became available. Obviously, I cannot compare it to the MISTI, but the two regular Tonic platforms that I bought have no blank spots at all. None. Today I received my Tonic travel version, which I have not yet tried out, but I like the smaller size. Collaboration can indeed benefit consumers, but so can competition. Some people prefer the Tonic platform, some prefer the MISTI. That is the advantage to having different platforms to choose from. Rarely is one product perfect for everyone. |
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 24, 2018 11:05:58 GMT
I just ordered the regular-sized TH platform for $23 on Amazon. I bought it as a back-up, and now I can give one of my other platforms to my mother. I wasn't going to do it, but I can use a back-up, and I wanted to get one before it is sold out. Wouldn't it be ironic if this whole lawsuit issue got squashed somehow? Tonic/TH would have made a lot of sales that they might not have made if it weren't for the MSP drama.  |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 24, 2018 16:55:27 GMT
Are Lydia at SCS and Tracie from SG related?!?! Sounds like the same bullshit about being “nice” while bullying anyone with a differing point of view.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 24, 2018 23:00:55 GMT
Are Lydia at SCS and Tracie from SG related?!?! Sounds like the same bullshit about being “nice” while bullying anyone with a differing point of view. Thank you for making me laugh out loud!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 9:19:14 GMT
I haven't been online for a few days. Major Internet issues. I am in shock about this and SCS. OMG girls, I am so sorry this happened to you all. riversong1963 I thought you were scrapjanny. I never wanted to ask in case you were trying to keep forum names separate for privacy reasons. I remember the spammer post too. I wonder why it wasn't deleted. I was very surprised at Dini. cinnistew I knew you were cinnistew over there.  I hope I made you smile. I am trying to figure out what you said wrong. I didn't see anything mean anyone was saying and it seemed respectful and a calm debate and concerns. It seemed like she started getting upset because our sweet ornery Don was brought up. I wonder how much 2Peas is causing waves with all of this? She seemed not to bother at all until "other fourm" was brought up like we are Voldemort, lol. We are the Voldemort's of the industry. Too funny. gale w I miss you over there. I really do. It's so different without you and Kirsten. Now that Bugga went to heaven I think the board will really change. The last few times I was over there posting I missed her so much and it didn't seem the same. I know I say it a lot. I have owned forums. Never, ever chastise your members publicly on your forum. I don't care what they do. Don't humiliate people publicly online if you are a forum moderator. I have had members behave badly on my forums, break rules and etc... I always sent them a letter and treated them fairly. Yes, I had some blow up. No, I didn't like it but that is the best way to weed out the toxic to keep a safe and fun community. Yes it is Lydia's forum and her rules. Lydia should have just closed the thread. She could have wrote a note and said she was concerned about the thread and the way it could turn and make a gentle reminder of the rules. Chastising members publicly makes it look like she is breaking her own rules. If I got chastised online like that and I am fragile in my real life right now that would have really threw me in a downward spiral. I hope Lydia or Dini didn't make anybody feel that way. I know she wrote "Treat people like that in real life" I am not quoting of course. Yes, treat people online like they are in real life. One word you could send somebody soaring to happy bliss and confidence or one word you could sent them to a suicidal spiral. We all screw up and say stupid stuff at times but rectify it don't let it fester. Words are powerful. I think this is going to hurt her. I think she is aware this has gone viral by people already posting over here taking up for her. Listen, I get that too. I am protective of my friends and I get the stress from hot threads and saying something wrong. We all lash out because we are human. This is wrong how she handled it. I know a lot of us are a little leery of posting now for a public chastising. She and Dini are making it look like the public chastising forum instead of a safe place where we feel loved and feel like our contributions matter. SCS is not like our forum that is run by us. It is actually an advertised and revenue forum. People could start banning watching Jennifer or banning businesses that are associated with SCS, for example. SCS is a forum that has it's popular posters and if they are not posting then everyone is going somewhere else to find them. Does that make sense? It's kind of like our board if sleepingbooty left everyone would wonder where she went and her Gandy pics and we would all go find her. I am for one glad you brought all this up. I don't want to go over there any more. It is like I hear something about them and stop posting for awhile. I miss my girls and wander back over there and then boom here it goes again another story of Dini and Lydia treating people badly. I keep wondering when I am going to do something incredibly screwy and get my turn. We all know I screw up over there, lol. |
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Post by kikimac on Jul 27, 2018 7:06:53 GMT
I used to really like SCS until it became clear nice people were being banned and almost every section became about the damn MISTI. I mean I know a stamping press is a great tool, but it started to feel like I was in a product cult. Even now you have to wade through so many MISTI threads to get to something interesting. And after hearing about the MISTI lady’s unethical behaviour I only go to SCS now if I need info.
And I also just bought a TH travel platform (which I don’t even need as I have the big one) just to make the point I threatened to make earlier! At least I got to support my local LSS doing that. LOL
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Post by riley on Jul 27, 2018 15:08:19 GMT
I like my TH travel platform about ten times better than the big one so I think it’s a great purchase. So handy and compact. Misti cricism really rocks SCS. The replacement claim of every cracked Misti may be true but in my case my cracked Misti was replaced with a second. There was a big gap in the stick on rulers. I ended up replacing them myself when MSP started selling different color rulers. I’m hoping that these TH platforms are the last ones I have to buy.
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I hope I made you smile. I am trying to figure out what you said wrong. I didn't see anything mean anyone was saying and it seemed respectful and a calm debate and concerns. It seemed like she started getting upset because our sweet ornery Don was brought up. I wonder how much 2Peas is causing waves with all of this? She seemed not to bother at all until "other fourm" was brought up like we are Voldemort, lol. We are the Voldemort's of the industry. Too funny. 