auntmimi
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Post by auntmimi on Jan 24, 2019 22:08:23 GMT
Personally, I resent being considered as someone pushing her to do anything against her core beliefs. How dare she respond to her paying customers like that and then expect us to follow her off into the sunset of non-scrapbooking? She never explicitly said her customers pushed her. She said the big box retailers did. She truly thinks her loyal customers want the simple system she offers. I realize the big box retailers actually represent the average customer, which goes to this point: I think that the main issue with BH's stubbornness is that we aren't the customers she wants.
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Post by miss2peas on Jan 24, 2019 22:08:55 GMT
I think that the main issue with BH's stubbornness is that we aren't the customers she wants.
She created Project Life as this simple, slipping photos and cards into pockets, solution for "getting documentation done." I think this goal and focus on simplifying and "just getting it done" comes from her religion and the fact that Mormons stress the importance for women to keep the family history--whether they have an interest in it or not. I think her goal is to help out Mormon women who feel overwhelmed with this responsibility and have no real interest in scrapbooking and just want to "get it done."
However, instead of the Mormon population (of women who aren't really scrapbookers but are tasked with the family responsibility of recording the family history) becoming her core customers, she found that scrapbookers of all faiths (including those Mormon women who actually enjoyed the hobby) purchased her products. I don't think she anticipated that at the beginning and rode the gravy train in the excitement of her product taking off. However, we were never the customers she wanted. So when we wanted embellishments, square corners, more designs, etc., she kept thinking how that would get away from the demographic she really wanted to sell to--people who don't actually want to scrapbook but "have to." But, as her products took off and became more and more popular she continued to add more and more kits and designs and eventually embellishments, etc. and I think she felt lost in it all because, even though her products were flying off the shelf, WE weren't the people she wanted to buy her products. Meanwhile, the products don't seem to have taken off (at least it doesn't seem that way from what little info I have) with the demographic she originally targeted.
All of her soul searching and jumping around and unrest I think comes from the struggle she has had between trying to shape her product to aim at the demographic she wanted while still maintain the sales from the demographic she didn't want, but nevertheless was making up the bulk of her sales. This last bit of info from the podcast, that she turned down Michaels', etc., ideas just reaffirms my thought that all of these recent "changes" are her redevoting her product to the original concept of "solving a problem" for Mormon women who don't want to scrapbook. She doesn't care that they aren't buying and that her product is wildly popular with non-Mormons. We aren't the customers she wants and she has made a conscious decision to stop giving into our requests, even more so than before, so that she can redevote her product to her original target demographic.
Ultimately, she would rather be an unsuccessful business that has stayed true to her core goal of helping Mormon women, than bend to the requests of the scrapbook industry for profit. I never thought about it like this but you may have hit the nail on the head. This would at least explain a little of why she just doesn’t do what seems to make sense to keep the business growing.
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auntmimi
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Post by auntmimi on Jan 24, 2019 22:09:55 GMT
I got the honest impression to intends to focus on the app full-time now.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 24, 2019 22:16:46 GMT
If her market was mormons who didn't want to scrapbook, she should have come up with a faith based line instead of pretending she wanted to include everyone...and her venturing into a partnership with SC and big box (other than Hobby Lobby) made no sense, then. If her goal was to convert people (religiously, not in terms of how they scrapbook) by not making it specifically faith based but spouting religious jargon all over her business's social media platforms, me thinks she failed.
She also should have stayed small. You can't grow by excluding groups of people...nor can you be successful at much of anything. Just ask Donald Trump.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2019 22:23:15 GMT
I got the honest impression to intends to focus on the app full-time now. I can accept that. If that's the case, she needs to just come out with it already and stop dancing around. (Haha!) I think that the main issue with BH's stubbornness is that we aren't the customers she wants. But we are the customers that she developed. It doesn't need to be an either/or here, for goodness sakes. It's not exactly like she's encouraging people to behave recklessly and against her religion if they scrapbook using her products. FWIW, I do think that you are on to her mindset and her inner turmoil.
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julie5
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Post by julie5 on Jan 24, 2019 22:38:17 GMT
And even more so, not only are we not the customers she wants, the bigger issue is we don’t want to buy what she’s selling. She can blame her customers or the box stores or those Mormon women who won’t do as their told and document their family. But honestly I don’t even think Becky knows what Becky wants to sell. What she wanted was to go to work at BH “headquarters” and do businessy type things with her frien—employees and still stay in the black. She wants to be all kinds of things, lifestyle stuff, tip guru, she LOVES doing stories of herself talking. And she’s humiliated that she can’t figure out how to make that profitable. It can be done. There are way less influence-y people make cold hard cash instagramming. Not me but people are doing it and she doesn’t know how it’s done. Oh and she wants to be able to preach while doing it which almost never works for the ones pulling in cash and a half mill or more followers. I mean there are people making money posting their stupid ass outfits so Becky thought she could do it too and be someone people look up to. That’s what she wants. Adoring fans. Autographed PL kits anyone?
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Post by mom on Jan 24, 2019 22:43:21 GMT
Anyone besides me want to chime in on this thread and place bets on who it is? link
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Post by julie5 on Jan 24, 2019 22:47:34 GMT
Anyone besides me want to chime in on this thread and place bets on who it is? linkWoooow. That’s almost worth listening to the warts and all podcast because we all know it was Aunt Flo herself, April Foster!
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Post by mom on Jan 24, 2019 22:56:44 GMT
Anyone besides me want to chime in on this thread and place bets on who it is? linkWoooow. That’s almost worth listening to the warts and all podcast because we all know it was Aunt Flo herself, April Foster! No joke! Totally adding it to my play list for tonight!
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Post by dudleypippen on Jan 24, 2019 23:34:06 GMT
Bless you, those of you willing to listen to the podcast and report back to us. I just can’t bring myself to do it.
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 0:25:09 GMT
Darn it. I'm reading this epic thread and I saw a reference to the wrapping paper dance- and didn't click. Now I have to see it and I can't find it. Help!
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 0:42:38 GMT
Bless you, those of you willing to listen to the podcast and report back to us. I just can’t bring myself to do it. Same here. I listen to a lot of podcasts but that’s not one I’m willing to listen to.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 0:45:32 GMT
It’s on page one of this thread. The second video posted on the page and it was posted by zingermack. God help me I clicked on it to make sure it was the right video. You owe me! 😤😠
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Post by annaintx on Jan 25, 2019 0:49:37 GMT
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Post by julie5 on Jan 25, 2019 0:52:10 GMT
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 0:53:39 GMT
It needs to be wiped from the internet way more than that horrid pic of Beyoncé.
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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 25, 2019 1:22:29 GMT
Why the heck did I click on it 🙄 ugh lol
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 2:30:10 GMT
God help me I clicked on it to make sure it was the right video. You owe me! Darn it. You've started a chain reaction. I clicked on it too, now! Thanks a lot.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 2:53:04 GMT
God help me I clicked on it to make sure it was the right video. You owe me! Darn it. You've started a chain reaction. I clicked on it too, now! Thanks a lot. 😆 Don’t let the wrapping paper dance turn us against each other!
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Post by joblackford on Jan 25, 2019 3:02:32 GMT
I cannot listen to any BH-related podcast, read any of her rambles, or watch any dances. I just can't. So thanks for keeping me updated on all the nonsense from afar ;P
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 25, 2019 3:25:55 GMT
It needs to be wiped from the internet way more than that horrid pic of Beyoncé. aw, come on-- in the scrapbooking world, the wrapping paper dance ranks up there with the slap heard round the world, doesn't it?!? (that was Stacy Julian, wasn't it?)
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 3:34:16 GMT
OMG- I forgot about the slap! That was Lisa Bearnson and Dave Venable. So awkward.
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 3:35:29 GMT
Thanks for the dance link. OMG. That's why I couldn't find it. I read the first several pages and then skipped to the end and read backward. I forgot where I saw it.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 3:40:03 GMT
Don’t let the wrapping paper dance turn us against each other! I just snort-laughed!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 3:55:48 GMT
What in the hell did I just watch? 😶
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 3:58:40 GMT
I want to add- like a few people in this thread- I still have all of the CK BH books. Her Sketch books are my all time favorites- and I bought a lot of CK books back in the day. I use the PL app a few times a week- I love the heck out of that app. I have enough physical product to last me a lifetime and it helped me get a lot done in 2018. I generally like BH and she seems like a decent human being. I thought she was veering kind of far away from memory keeping and what put her on the map, so when she announced the recent changes, I just hoped she'd get back to basics.
I have wondered why she didn't get into planner stuff- but that's probably what she's talking about with trends and not being interested. But that makes more sense as a companion trend than wrapping paper and home dec, etc. SO on one hand, she embraces trends, but not when they are suggested to her by the papercraft industry? I mean whatever- she has to do what she has to do. But Simple Stories and MAMBI have done an amazing job jumping into the planner industry and making it mesh with their memory keeping stuff.
My sister has seen me scrapbook and use planners for decades- and though she liked what she saw, she never felt moved to do it herself. For some reason a couple of years ago, something she saw in the planner trend finally connected with her and she said 'I always liked what you did with planners, but I didn't know if I could do it or even where to start.' Once she made that connection- she couldn't get enough- and that led to her scrapbooking... a sort of mash-up between planning and scrapbooking- but still- scrapbooking.
Why wouldn't BH be all over that? Record keeping, memory keeping, list making- it seems right up her alley. But if that's not a trend she's going to be forced into- OK. I would have loved BH planner products. God knows I spend a bunch of money on MAMBI and Simple Stories though, so I'm good.
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 25, 2019 4:04:44 GMT
It needs to be wiped from the internet way more than that horrid pic of Beyoncé. aw, come on-- in the scrapbooking world, the wrapping paper dance ranks up there with the slap heard round the world, doesn't it?!? (that was Stacy Julian, wasn't it?) Stacy Julian was “ so there.” Man for such a docile hobby we sure have more then our fair share of scandals, haven’t we? I wonder if the knitting or quilting community has any?
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 4:12:37 GMT
It's been forever since I spent an evening on Two Peas like this. It's been a very welcome blast from the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 4:39:44 GMT
It’s on page one of this thread. The second video posted on the page and it was posted by zingermack. God help me I clicked on it to make sure it was the right video. You owe me! 😤😠 Sorry gang. Hope no one was scarred for life I've been in 2 Tuesday Mornings lately and they were both jammed w/PL stuff - core kits, small kits, value kits, etc. Couldn't bring myself to buy a single one because I've moved on from those stupid rounded corners and I can't see going back - even for 1.99. Also, thanks to the peas who listened to the volumes of BH goodness/podcast and are taking one for those of us on the team who can't bring themselves to hear another "you know what, guys?"
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 4:40:24 GMT
It needs to be wiped from the internet way more than that horrid pic of Beyoncé. aw, come on-- in the scrapbooking world, the wrapping paper dance ranks up there with the slap heard round the world, doesn't it?!? (that was Stacy Julian, wasn't it?) Ya know, you’re right. Scrapbooking does need its own Hall of Shame. It was Lisa Bearnson that slapped poor David Venable.
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