cbscrapper
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Post by cbscrapper on Jan 25, 2019 5:15:30 GMT
It needs to be wiped from the internet way more than that horrid pic of Beyoncé. Haha! Especially since one point I think BH is trying to do part of the Single Ladies dance. smh. If I’m going to watch anyone attempt the Single Ladies dance (besides Beyonce), it’s Justin Timberlake in tights in the SNL skit. That has me rolling every time. We’re the dancers. |
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Post by flamingo on Jan 25, 2019 5:16:00 GMT
aw, come on-- in the scrapbooking world, the wrapping paper dance ranks up there with the slap heard round the world, doesn't it?!? (that was Stacy Julian, wasn't it?) Ya know, you’re right. Scrapbooking does need its own Hall of Shame. It was Lisa Bearnson that slapped poor David Venable. Can anyone share more about what happened then? I’ve seen it referenced a couple of times. Why the slap? |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:31:09 GMT
Tuesday Mornings ... 1.99. There's a Tuesday's Morning around the corner from where I am. I *may* need to just take a peek at what they have... |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:34:16 GMT
Ya know, you’re right. Scrapbooking does need its own Hall of Shame. It was Lisa Bearnson that slapped poor David Venable. Can anyone share more about what happened then? I’ve seen it referenced a couple of times. Why the slap? The two got along like brother & sister on set. She just kind of reached over and (lightly) slapped him on the face for no real apparent reason. <shrug> I saw it live. I've seen it on video. I never thought it was a big deal -- although if this is why she didn't return to QVC, I can understand it. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:35:16 GMT
Don't tell me I'm the only one Googling Justin Timberlake doing Beyonce...
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:38:21 GMT
Best of both worlds!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 5:45:34 GMT
Oh please, let BH start selling umbrellas next. Can't wait to see that dance!
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 25, 2019 6:21:31 GMT
Can anyone share more about what happened then? I’ve seen it referenced a couple of times. Why the slap? The two got along like brother & sister on set. She just kind of reached over and (lightly) slapped him on the face for no real apparent reason. <shrug> I saw it live. I've seen it on video. I never thought it was a big deal -- although if this is why she didn't return to QVC, I can understand it. Right. Unprofessional but not a full on angry slap that some people make it out to be. I had heard her talk before about dealing with jet lag and not enough sleep due to those all day and late night QVC shows. I always chalked it up to her getting to that silly tired phase of sleep deprivation. |
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Post by pancakes on Jan 25, 2019 14:28:21 GMT
Re: her podcast
I have no doubt that it was annoying to see people start offering pocket pages, cards, and albums when she was the one who created the PL brand and popularized it in the scrapbook community.
However, that’s the nature of business. If you don’t have a patent (or something doesn’t qualify for one), there will be people who rethink your product in many different ways — and end up being viable competition.
You can’t just sit there and be sad about it. You always have to assume this is going to happen so you need to make your product more unique, more value-adding, more differentiated than your competition. She didn’t do that.
Sure, she can pat herself on the back for not caving to trends. But to say no to innovation? That’s not smart.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 25, 2019 18:25:37 GMT
If her market was mormons who didn't want to scrapbook, she should have come up with a faith based line instead of pretending she wanted to include everyone...and her venturing into a partnership with SC and big box (other than Hobby Lobby) made no sense, then. If her goal was to convert people (religiously, not in terms of how they scrapbook) by not making it specifically faith based but spouting religious jargon all over her business's social media platforms, me thinks she failed. She also should have stayed small. You can't grow by excluding groups of people...nor can you be successful at much of anything. Just ask Donald Trump. In one of the first waves of releases (I believe the one that included seafoam and midnight) she released two core kits that were specifically LDS focused--an Elder one and a Sister one. I believe those are for documenting missionary trips? Not LDS myself so I don't really know. The rest of the products were more general though but I don't think that was necessarily to appeal to a wider audience per se... but I think the main focus was for Mormon wives to use it to document the everyday life of their families. She wanted kits that would be relevant for documenting going to church I'm sure, but also sports and new babies and vacations and everything else in life. Just because they were for people who were religious doesn't mean everything in their lives revolves around religion.
I do see your point though, she could've included specific prompts on some of the cards that referenced things, but I think the super early kits were mostly just patterns without words (like Cherry, Clementine, Cobalt, etc.) and then when she got to the round with Seafoam, Midnight, etc. she was working with more recognized designers who weren't LDS themselves so I don't think she really could dictate that. Plus I think, especially in the beginning, she enjoyed the pleasant surprise of how well her product had taken off in the scrapbooking community and the profit that came with it.
I think initially her response to that surge in popularity was to partner with companies like Studio Calico and Stampin Up hoping that the general SB customer base would gravitate towards the products they produced which she didn't really have to concern herself with and she could just sit back and get profit. Meanwhile, she could focus on her core kits and hope that they resonated with the LDS population.
ETA: And Donald Trump loves excluding groups of people but he still, in an insane turn of events, succeeded at becoming president. So not sure he's the best example, HA!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 25, 2019 19:03:45 GMT
If her market was mormons who didn't want to scrapbook, she should have come up with a faith based line instead of pretending she wanted to include everyone...and her venturing into a partnership with SC and big box (other than Hobby Lobby) made no sense, then. If her goal was to convert people (religiously, not in terms of how they scrapbook) by not making it specifically faith based but spouting religious jargon all over her business's social media platforms, me thinks she failed. She also should have stayed small. You can't grow by excluding groups of people...nor can you be successful at much of anything. Just ask Donald Trump. In one of the first waves of releases (I believe the one that included seafoam and midnight) she released two core kits that were specifically LDS focused--an Elder one and a Sister one. I believe those are for documenting missionary trips? Not LDS myself so I don't really know. The rest of the products were more general though but I don't think that was necessarily to appeal to a wider audience per se... but I think the main focus was for Mormon wives to use it to document the everyday life of their families. She wanted kits that would be relevant for documenting going to church I'm sure, but also sports and new babies and vacations and everything else in life. Just because they were for people who were religious doesn't mean everything in their lives revolves around religion.
I do see your point though, she could've included specific prompts on some of the cards that referenced things, but I think the super early kits were mostly just patterns without words (like Cherry, Clementine, Cobalt, etc.) and then when she got to the round with Seafoam, Midnight, etc. she was working with more recognized designers who weren't LDS themselves so I don't think she really could dictate that. Plus I think, especially in the beginning, she enjoyed the pleasant surprise of how well her product had taken off in the scrapbooking community and the profit that came with it.
I think initially her response to that surge in popularity was to partner with companies like Studio Calico and Stampin Up hoping that the general SB customer base would gravitate towards the products they produced which she didn't really have to concern herself with and she could just sit back and get profit. Meanwhile, she could focus on her core kits and hope that they resonated with the LDS population.
ETA: And Donald Trump loves excluding groups of people but he still, in an insane turn of events, succeeded at becoming president. So not sure he's the best example, HA!
Because people vote party lines. This last election shows that people aren't necessarily stuck in that right now. My comparison was less about the election 2+ years ago and more about where he stands in polling at the moment. His presidency has been to appeal solely to his base and his popularity among Republicans outside of that core base is shrinking because many are beginning to distance themselves from him as he is not representative of their version of Republican. In his efforts to constantly appeal to his base, he's losing what would have historically been guaranteed votes from the more traditional Republican groups. In that regards, it's an apt comparison. She had all these other memory keepers who actually did it for the love of memory keeping fawn all over her products, but she decided that she didn't want her products to appeal to those people, so she ignored their wants and instead focused on the small percentage of 'forced' memory keepers. The problem is, she wants the money of the larger group hence her being happy about the changes (kicking us out of her business goals) but not happy about not pocketing our money. She can't have it both ways and while it should be obvious that that is the case, she could have this misconception that her cult religion is actually larger than it is. The problem is, while this faith based idea of 'bible journaling' has taken off in a niche part of the scrapbooking market, religion is not correlated to scrapbooking the way it used to be/started out.
Liberals are taking over! Dun, dun, dun.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 25, 2019 19:38:38 GMT
Don't tell me I'm the only one Googling Justin Timberlake doing Beyonce... I read that in a totally different way! No, I did not want to google Justin doing Beyonce!   |
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 25, 2019 19:48:37 GMT
In one of the first waves of releases (I believe the one that included seafoam and midnight) she released two core kits that were specifically LDS focused--an Elder one and a Sister one. I believe those are for documenting missionary trips? Not LDS myself so I don't really know. The rest of the products were more general though but I don't think that was necessarily to appeal to a wider audience per se... but I think the main focus was for Mormon wives to use it to document the everyday life of their families. She wanted kits that would be relevant for documenting going to church I'm sure, but also sports and new babies and vacations and everything else in life. Just because they were for people who were religious doesn't mean everything in their lives revolves around religion. Except most Mormons don't scrapbook anymore. They started doing photo books or never printing photos like most people do. I'm technically a member and no longer believe. I am surrounded by LDS members. I live in Utah and can think of one Mormon friend who still scraps. She's a CTMH consultant, so I think that is part of the reason. My cousin does, but she's a member of another church now.
When the industry declined, most stopped. I seriously am trying to see where her fan base comes from when it comes to Mormonism. I can only figure it's people who personally know her. I know she's done some talks at BYU, but I don't see that helping her sales. I can see why she did go the route of the PL app when there was a decline. It's too bad she didn't adapt with the physical products as well. Maybe I should do an experiment at the next family gathering or when I see friends. I doubt most have heard of her. Then again, I was never one of the cool Mormons.  |
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 25, 2019 20:02:27 GMT
In one of the first waves of releases (I believe the one that included seafoam and midnight) she released two core kits that were specifically LDS focused--an Elder one and a Sister one. I believe those are for documenting missionary trips? Not LDS myself so I don't really know. The rest of the products were more general though but I don't think that was necessarily to appeal to a wider audience per se... but I think the main focus was for Mormon wives to use it to document the everyday life of their families. She wanted kits that would be relevant for documenting going to church I'm sure, but also sports and new babies and vacations and everything else in life. Just because they were for people who were religious doesn't mean everything in their lives revolves around religion.
I do see your point though, she could've included specific prompts on some of the cards that referenced things, but I think the super early kits were mostly just patterns without words (like Cherry, Clementine, Cobalt, etc.) and then when she got to the round with Seafoam, Midnight, etc. she was working with more recognized designers who weren't LDS themselves so I don't think she really could dictate that. Plus I think, especially in the beginning, she enjoyed the pleasant surprise of how well her product had taken off in the scrapbooking community and the profit that came with it.
I think initially her response to that surge in popularity was to partner with companies like Studio Calico and Stampin Up hoping that the general SB customer base would gravitate towards the products they produced which she didn't really have to concern herself with and she could just sit back and get profit. Meanwhile, she could focus on her core kits and hope that they resonated with the LDS population.
ETA: And Donald Trump loves excluding groups of people but he still, in an insane turn of events, succeeded at becoming president. So not sure he's the best example, HA!
Because people vote party lines. This last election shows that people aren't necessarily stuck in that right now. My comparison was less about the election 2+ years ago and more about where he stands in polling at the moment. His presidency has been to appeal solely to his base and his popularity among Republicans outside of that core base is shrinking because many are beginning to distance themselves from him as he is not representative of their version of Republican. In his efforts to constantly appeal to his base, he's losing what would have historically been guaranteed votes from the more traditional Republican groups. In that regards, it's an apt comparison. She had all these other memory keepers who actually did it for the love of memory keeping fawn all over her products, but she decided that she didn't want her products to appeal to those people, so she ignored their wants and instead focused on the small percentage of 'forced' memory keepers. The problem is, she wants the money of the larger group hence her being happy about the changes (kicking us out of her business goals) but not happy about not pocketing our money. She can't have it both ways and while it should be obvious that that is the case, she could have this misconception that her cult religion is actually larger than it is. The problem is, while this faith based idea of 'bible journaling' has taken off in a niche part of the scrapbooking market, religion is not correlated to scrapbooking the way it used to be/started out.
Liberals are taking over! Dun, dun, dun.
Okay, I see the parallel you're getting at. As far as her thinking that the religion is larger than it is, that might have something to do with the fact she lives in Arizona and Arizona/Utah are very full of LDS and conservative Christians (I used to live in Arizona).
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 25, 2019 20:04:39 GMT
In one of the first waves of releases (I believe the one that included seafoam and midnight) she released two core kits that were specifically LDS focused--an Elder one and a Sister one. I believe those are for documenting missionary trips? Not LDS myself so I don't really know. The rest of the products were more general though but I don't think that was necessarily to appeal to a wider audience per se... but I think the main focus was for Mormon wives to use it to document the everyday life of their families. She wanted kits that would be relevant for documenting going to church I'm sure, but also sports and new babies and vacations and everything else in life. Just because they were for people who were religious doesn't mean everything in their lives revolves around religion. Except most Mormons don't scrapbook anymore. They started doing photo books or never printing photos like most people do. I'm technically a member and no longer believe. I am surrounded by LDS members. I live in Utah and can think of one Mormon friend who still scraps. She's a CTMH consultant, so I think that is part of the reason. My cousin does, but she's a member of another church now.
When the industry declined, most stopped. I seriously am trying to see where her fan base comes from when it comes to Mormonism. I can only figure it's people who personally know her. I know she's done some talks at BYU, but I don't see that helping her sales. I can see why she did go the route of the PL app when there was a decline. It's too bad she didn't adapt with the physical products as well. Maybe I should do an experiment at the next family gathering or when I see friends. I doubt most have heard of her. Then again, I was never one of the cool Mormons. This might explain some of her focus on the app. And I think she still was hoping that Mormons would pick it up more... I think, at least from what I've heard from BH, that her perception is that Mormons who don't scrap/document feel guilt for it and she's hoping she can swoop in with this super simple product that doesn't take up much of their time but makes their families happy with all these perfect albums on the shelves. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 20:22:43 GMT
Don't tell me I'm the only one Googling Justin Timberlake doing Beyonce... I read that in a totally different way! No, I did not want to google Justin doing Beyonce!   It might have given you revealing new insights. Just sayin' |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 25, 2019 21:00:24 GMT
Except most Mormons don't scrapbook anymore. They started doing photo books or never printing photos like most people do. I'm technically a member and no longer believe. I am surrounded by LDS members. I live in Utah and can think of one Mormon friend who still scraps. She's a CTMH consultant, so I think that is part of the reason. My cousin does, but she's a member of another church now.
When the industry declined, most stopped. I seriously am trying to see where her fan base comes from when it comes to Mormonism. I can only figure it's people who personally know her. I know she's done some talks at BYU, but I don't see that helping her sales. I can see why she did go the route of the PL app when there was a decline. It's too bad she didn't adapt with the physical products as well. Maybe I should do an experiment at the next family gathering or when I see friends. I doubt most have heard of her. Then again, I was never one of the cool Mormons. This might explain some of her focus on the app. And I think she still was hoping that Mormons would pick it up more... I think, at least from what I've heard from BH, that her perception is that Mormons who don't scrap/document feel guilt for it and she's hoping she can swoop in with this super simple product that doesn't take up much of their time but makes their families happy with all these perfect albums on the shelves. Do you think maybe her goal was to become famous within the mormon community...more specifically an influencer to the women? Basically, aiming to be the Kardashian (she is wearing/buying/hawking x, so her fans go out and buy it because of her) of the mormon circuit. |
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Post by annaintx on Jan 25, 2019 21:15:38 GMT
Oh please, let BH start selling umbrellas next. Can't wait to see that dance! I love love love this. Tom Holland can dance!!!! |
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Post by sneakylatina on Jan 25, 2019 21:23:43 GMT
Can anyone share more about what happened then? I’ve seen it referenced a couple of times. Why the slap? The two got along like brother & sister on set. She just kind of reached over and (lightly) slapped him on the face for no real apparent reason. <shrug> I saw it live. I've seen it on video. I never thought it was a big deal -- although if this is why she didn't return to QVC, I can understand it. I saw it live too. The thing was the totally stunned look on his face made it undeniably not cool for him. And he apparently has a huge fan base at QVC, so they were OUTRAGED by it. I remember he actually had a statement on their website about how he didn't appreciate it but she apologized and he was cool with her. But she never got invited back. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 25, 2019 21:42:14 GMT
The thing was the totally stunned look on his face made it undeniably not cool for him. And he apparently has a huge fan base at QVC, so they were OUTRAGED by it. I remember he actually had a statement on their website about how he didn't appreciate it but she apologized and he was cool with her. But she never got invited back. That lines up exactly with what I remember. |
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 25, 2019 21:52:28 GMT
Do you think maybe her goal was to become famous within the mormon community...more specifically an influencer to the women? Basically, aiming to be the Kardashian (she is wearing/buying/hawking x, so her fans go out and buy it because of her) of the mormon circuit. I think in order to do that, you need a deal with Deseret Book and have a definite focus on church. A book about documenting family history would probably go well. I think there would be serious oversight and I don't think it would promote her products very well. I'm not sure in what capacity she's talked at BYU. If it was the women's conference, it might have helped some. It seems like the ones who are more well known happen to live in Utah. Although, there's a bunch of Mormons in Arizona. I can't see her aiming to be on that kind of circuit. Instagram influencer seems to be what she is aiming for. Yet, there was a push a while back to limit time on social media. 
Plus, the church is now losing thousands of members. Recently they have said they do support a bill protecting members of the LGBQT community and won't fight medical marijuana that passed by a proposition because the legislator would do nothing. This is in the state of Utah. Going that direction wouldn't make sense, but she says she does what she wants.
I get all kinds of shared LDS posts on Facebook and the only one that stands out as being popular is a lady that's a convert. She has a bunch of tattoos (frowned upon if you're raised in the church) and they call her the tattooed Mormon. Now it's probably the tattooed member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  Most of the shared stuff seems to come from the lds.org website or other church owned sites. |
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Post by sues on Jan 25, 2019 22:31:15 GMT
Can anyone share more about what happened then? I’ve seen it referenced a couple of times. Why the slap? The two got along like brother & sister on set. She just kind of reached over and (lightly) slapped him on the face for no real apparent reason. <shrug> I saw it live. I've seen it on video. I never thought it was a big deal -- although if this is why she didn't return to QVC, I can understand it. I might be remembering incorrectly- but the thing that struck me was how WEIRD it was- it was just out of the blue - and the look on his face was amazing. I give him credit for keeping his wits about him. Being hit in the face- playing or not- is such an affront. |
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Post by caangel on Jan 26, 2019 0:32:11 GMT
Oh please, let BH start selling umbrellas next. Can't wait to see that dance! I love love love this. Tom Holland can dance!!!! He is an AMAZING DANCER!! I never would have guessed! Love it! |
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 26, 2019 1:29:03 GMT
Oh please, let BH start selling umbrellas next. Can't wait to see that dance! I love love love this. Tom Holland can dance!!!! He is amazing, he was Billy Elliot in London. |
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Post by pepperwood on Jan 26, 2019 3:10:33 GMT
The two got along like brother & sister on set. She just kind of reached over and (lightly) slapped him on the face for no real apparent reason. <shrug> I saw it live. I've seen it on video. I never thought it was a big deal -- although if this is why she didn't return to QVC, I can understand it. I saw it live too. The thing was the totally stunned look on his face made it undeniably not cool for him. And he apparently has a huge fan base at QVC, so they were OUTRAGED by it. I remember he actually had a statement on their website about how he didn't appreciate it but she apologized and he was cool with her. But she never got invited back. Actually, she was invited back to QVC on David's show at least once after the slap. I personally think that it wasn't a big deal and David was very gracious to Lisa. Shortly after that, QVC decided to stop offering crafting products and there were no more crafting shows. I think that was a bad business decision for QVC as many of the crafting celebrities went over to HSN and seemed to have done very well. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 26, 2019 3:45:07 GMT
I saw it live too. The thing was the totally stunned look on his face made it undeniably not cool for him. And he apparently has a huge fan base at QVC, so they were OUTRAGED by it. I remember he actually had a statement on their website about how he didn't appreciate it but she apologized and he was cool with her. But she never got invited back. Actually, she was invited back to QVC on David's show at least once after the slap. I personally think that it wasn't a big deal and David was very gracious to Lisa. Shortly after that, QVC decided to stop offering crafting products and there were no more crafting shows. I think that was a bad business decision for QVC as many of the crafting celebrities went over to HSN and seemed to have done very well. That was the end of an era, when QVC went from 24 hour craft days to nothing at all. I loved those scrapbooking shows so much. |
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 26, 2019 4:07:42 GMT
The Becky Dance? Yeah, that is how every teenager sees their parents no matter how cool we really are.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jan 26, 2019 4:55:57 GMT
I’d forgotten about the wrapping paper dance. It’s not just the dance but those odd faces she makes while mugging for the camera.
Please, Becky, can’t you just go back to being the scrapbook creative companion instead of trying to be Becky the entrepreneur?
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Post by cbscrapper on Jan 26, 2019 7:04:27 GMT
I love love love this. Tom Holland can dance!!!! He is an AMAZING DANCER!! I never would have guessed! Love it! He’s Spider-man! Of course he can move! Web slinging takes some art for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 11:00:11 GMT
Wow, there is so much to catch up on! I am so behind, lol. Let's all take a collective breath and just say it "Becky is a mean girl!" My mouth is just dropped open she was so bashing on her IG of the other Creativation vendors. I was following the show this week. Everyone seemed to have so much fun, part of a community and group. They were supporting each other. What do I always say about this industry? "They support each other!" She really doesn't want to be part of the scrapbook industry anymore. Why can't she just move on? I am still processing she was bashing. I am sorry to all the industry people reading this. I am sure some are still trying to process and are reeling she did this to them personally. My feeling is that this is her families primary income and it's falling fast. I think she is having a real panic attack about it. I know it's speculation and gossip. This is 2Peas where we do speculate and gossip, lol. I think her and her DH might have gotten themselves in trouble over that new home their building and living way over their means. I think Becky thought she was going to be an icon in this industry with staying power. What is sad she could have been. She needs to take a step back but she is digging a bigger hole for herself. I think at this point we should just stand around and hand her shovels. Us girls that have been around since Becky's has been around have never really associated with her creativity. She just always seem to me to be the girl who took care of the business things while everyone else did the creativity. I am not bashing. I have never seen anything Becky has done that is remotely creative. Everything she has done has been to promote. That was Becky's strength this industry and now she can't even do that. refugeepea I have never been a Mormon. I am doing photo books too. It's just not Mormon's who are not part of her fan base and not scrapbooking any more. I think that Becky was part of the reason that Project Life is slowly fading. I think a lot of us started doing PL and then realized putting our photos in a book was even easier. You can still add some journaling and embellishments too. I know that was my line of thinking. I know I can't be the only one. Essentially, she gave us an easy idea and made it popular. We made it even easier. Artists evolve. Becky is not an artist and doesn't know how to evolve. She likes to sell herself. |
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