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Post by kiera on Jul 18, 2020 4:50:47 GMT
I'm sitting here trying to figure out what movement she's apparently spearheading.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 18, 2020 11:22:19 GMT
I'm sitting here trying to figure out what movement she's apparently spearheading. Her own delusions.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 18, 2020 12:23:45 GMT
"“It’s not just a moment; it’s a movement” — it’s one of my favorite lines from Hamilton, the hit musical that has now made its way to Disney Plus so EVERYone can finally see it! I have like 62 favorite lines throughout Hamilton. Have you noticed the heavy theme of documenting throughout that story line?" and I'm VERY annoyed because she got the quote wrong. But is saying it's one of her favorites? Because Becky is only after trends and she pretends she loves them for the sake of using them in her IG feed.
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Post by cbscrapper on Jul 18, 2020 19:18:03 GMT
This is probably the most minor of things and I don't generally have problems with Becky, but she said this in her most recent email: "“It’s not just a moment; it’s a movement” — it’s one of my favorite lines from Hamilton, the hit musical that has now made its way to Disney Plus so EVERYone can finally see it! I have like 62 favorite lines throughout Hamilton. Have you noticed the heavy theme of documenting throughout that story line?" and I'm VERY annoyed because she got the quote wrong. But is saying it's one of her favorites? I acknowledge that this is the most minor of things, but I needed to say it somewhere so here I am! :-P And the way she said it like “of course I am well off enough that I saw it live, but now the peasants can see it too!”
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 18, 2020 22:13:54 GMT
This is probably the most minor of things and I don't generally have problems with Becky, but she said this in her most recent email: "“It’s not just a moment; it’s a movement” — it’s one of my favorite lines from Hamilton, the hit musical that has now made its way to Disney Plus so EVERYone can finally see it! I have like 62 favorite lines throughout Hamilton. Have you noticed the heavy theme of documenting throughout that story line?" and I'm VERY annoyed because she got the quote wrong. But is saying it's one of her favorites? I acknowledge that this is the most minor of things, but I needed to say it somewhere so here I am! :-P And the way she said it like “of course I am well off enough that I saw it live, but now the peasants can see it too!” This, exactly. This was so tone deaf. Not to mention that Disney+ is a premium paid service so, no, not everyone can see it.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 20, 2020 1:55:20 GMT
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Post by auntmimi on Jul 20, 2020 12:42:45 GMT
MMS had stories this weekend about how she is directing her children to churn out pages in the new style as a means of directing them to start documenting. She also did a page all about how her daughter doesn't want to acknowledge they have anything in common, but "that's okay you guys!!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 13:20:30 GMT
MMS had stories this weekend about how she is directing her children to churn out pages in the new style as a means of directing them to start documenting. She also did a page all about how her daughter doesn't want to acknowledge they have anything in common, but "that's okay you guys!!!" Ugh. Becky as a mom would be exhausting to me (or my kids). All that endless public navel-gazing and breathless "You guys!...." And sharing the kids' pages is just ridiculous. She likely asked them for permission (I hope) so they know whatever they write is going to be shared, online, where their friends can see it - so it's not likely to be very deep. I'd be so embarrassed to have my mom share my stuff to her older lady followers when I was 14 or 17. Kids lives are not an extension or accessory of/to their parents' lives.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 20, 2020 14:20:19 GMT
She also did a page all about how her daughter doesn't want to acknowledge they have anything in common, but "that's okay you guys!!!" Sounds like her daughter is trying to distance herself from her mother as far away as possible... You go, girl! 😄
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Post by scrappieannie on Jul 20, 2020 16:45:32 GMT
You guys!!! She posted new physical product release details on both Instagram accounts. Faux leather albums in 12x12, 10x10, and 8x8 in "2-3 colors." (Not specified.) Plus, page protectors in those sizes, 5x7 and 8x10 page protectors, and envelope pages. No mention of any pocket pages. I've been waiting for these details since she announced she'd produce more physical basics, but it looks like they just support the "new" My Modern Life approach of designing in app and printing. Not Project Life pocket scrapbooking. Booooo. I naively thought at least Design A would go back into production. And chances are slim that those few album colors will match my existing sets (different colors for me and each kid). It's time for me to give up on her for reals.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 20, 2020 17:29:03 GMT
She posted new physical product release details on both Instagram accounts. Faux leather albums in 12x12, 10x10, and 8x8 in "2-3 colors." (Not specified.) Plus, page protectors in those sizes, 5x7 and 8x10 page protectors, and envelope pages. No mention of any pocket pages. Her faux leather albums were the worst to be made by AC, significantly inferior to what WRMK once had. Ugh, I bought several and all suffered the crumbly crease + bubbling curse. But I'll buy those 5x7 page protectors if they make it to retailers and aren't exclusive to BH's online shop. I've been on the hunt for some for so long.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 20, 2020 18:41:12 GMT
I've been waiting for these details since she announced she'd produce more physical basics, but it looks like they just support the "new" My Modern Life approach of designing in app and printing. Not Project Life pocket scrapbooking. Booooo. I naively thought at least Design A would go back into production. And chances are slim that those few album colors will match my existing sets (different colors for me and each kid). It's time for me to give up on her for reals. It's also pretty clear that she's only interested in producing physical products that go along with whatever her "flavor of the month" documenting project is. Once she decides she's done with the Modern Life thing, she will stop production... no matter if others are still using it. Then she'll be onto something new. No one can rely on her brand for any sort of long term project, which is a shame, because I want all my albums to match and intend to continue my 12x12 pocket page albums for a long time (I've been doing it since 2013). Her faux leather albums were the worst to be made by AC, significantly inferior to what WRMK once had. I agree, I had a few that came with loose "leather" but they quickly replaced them for free, so those extra ones serve as my albums to hold extra page protectors... so at least there was some good that came out of it. I know the quality wasn't ideal, but they had the white albums with the gold label frame... my favorite and what I use for my general project life albums... I'm all out of these after 2020 so I'm going to have to switch... I'm hoping SB.com or whoever picks up the faux leather albums will have white at least, but the gold hardware is very unlikely lol.
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Post by Frazzled Mom on Jul 20, 2020 21:28:48 GMT
Her faux leather albums were the worst to be made by AC, significantly inferior to what WRMK once had. Yes, her albums were total crap.
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Post by scrappintoee on Jul 20, 2020 22:03:02 GMT
Ohhh, the contradictions and irony !!! Have y'all seen her page about her and her dd picking blackberries? She lists alll the things they have in common (.... even though Claire's in that stage where she doesn't want to ADMITwe have things in common).... You guys... those stubborn teenage girls, am I right? (tee hee) ANYHOO..... One of the traits she lists is that she and Claire value AUTONOMY... (direct cut and paste from her new "MMM" page) " If your kids are old enough to form sentences, they’re old enough to author their own story. There’s no excuse good enough for my kids to NOT be doing this. They’re 17, 14, and 11."
Those poor things---they are TEENAGERS, maybe they're just not INTERESTED in scrapbooking !!! They are JUST trying to find our own way in the world ---(umm, I think that's called " autonomy")--- and perhaps there are lots of OTHER things they want to do right now! (Ugh, I imagine they're home with Mommy 24-7 due to the pandemic ---what must THAT be like?)
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Post by kiera on Jul 20, 2020 23:17:44 GMT
I wonder if we'll get emails about how Claire turned 18 and stopped speaking to her after she moved away for college
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Post by Embri on Jul 21, 2020 3:45:37 GMT
One of the fastest ways to make kids hate something is to make it mandatory. Not to mention forcing them into stupid publicity stunts. Children are not your social media props, for goodness sakes. It's like she's trying to set them up for being bullied and teased.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 21, 2020 11:48:36 GMT
MMS had stories this weekend about how she is directing her children to churn out pages in the new style as a means of directing them to start documenting. She also did a page all about how her daughter doesn't want to acknowledge they have anything in common, but "that's okay you guys!!!" Ugh. Becky as a mom would be exhausting to me (or my kids). All that endless public navel-gazing and breathless "You guys!...." And sharing the kids' pages is just ridiculous. She likely asked them for permission (I hope) so they know whatever they write is going to be shared, online, where their friends can see it - so it's not likely to be very deep. I'd be so embarrassed to have my mom share my stuff to her older lady followers when I was 14 or 17. Kids lives are not an extension or accessory of/to their parents' lives. I stopped sharing when my kids were old enough to say no thx mom DD did agree to my one published layout since she is in it. But I didn’t put anymore on line or anywhere without them asking
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 21, 2020 12:34:49 GMT
I share pages and stories that have my daughter in them all the time. She is 15 and it doesn't bother her, at that age they all share more about themselves online than I ever would share about her. But, I also never share more personal stories about her or anything that I feel like would be embarrassing to her. I also don't share scrapbook pages she creates (although she rarely creates any scrapbook pages) and would ask before sharing anything I thought was an issue. She follows my craft instagram and usually likes the photos I post... sometimes she will even share them with her friends if she especially likes what I posted... so it definitely doesn't bother her.
I am not one to defend Becky, but who knows what her kids said about it. Her daughter at least seems to have her own active instagram and used her mother's platform in an attempt to advertise her own business, so I doubt she has an issue with the exposure. Maybe Becky did ask them or maybe they don't care. Not to sound like an old person, but as a mother of a teenager, kids these days are just not that concerned with their online persona... they put everything out there, it's just an extension of who they are. The culture around it has changed... my mom won't buy anything online for fear someone steals her credit card, I think that is paranoid but I am conscious to blur out personal details (such as our home address) when sharing scrapbook pages publicly, and my daughter pulls up snap map on her phone and can show me exactly where all of her friends are physically located via GPS tracking at any point in time... it's just not as big of a deal to that generation. That said, Becky's kids definitely might be the ones that care, there are obviously going to be outliers... I just don't think we should be assuming anything.
Also, it's summertime and she has teenagers sitting around the house. Especially with the quarantine, teenagers have very little to do--sports & clubs are mostly canceled, summer jobs are not really available for kids who do not need the income, even going out with friends is not really any option the same way that it usually is. Trying to keep teens doing something productive over the summer is a task in itself, so yeah, I would imagine she needs to require them to do things. Maybe forcing them to create scrapbook pages isn't the best way to get them to love her hobby, but maybe she is using it as a way for them to do something other than bingewatch 10 hours straight of netflix. Who knows? I just know that from my own experience, if I want my daughter to do anything other than use her phone I have to "require" it. Usually, she ends up actually liking it.
I know Becky introduced the subject by posting about her kids and it is definitely a questionable choice to use them to advertise her product, but idk that we can really speculate anything else from there. I love 2 peas for our raw honesty and real discussions about brands/their owners, especially when they do stupid things (as Becky is very frequently doing), and I'm not judging anyone's opinions here... but I'd just personally prefer to not speculate a ton about other people's children and their relationships with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:50:57 GMT
There definitely a lack of boundaries in the Mormon mommy community when it comes to (over)sharing your kids' lives, lasteve1. Just to name a few who both overshare AND make bank on it: Becky, Jordan Page, Taza, Nie Nie, etc. Brands who've built their six figure/year incomes on sharing intimate details of family life. There seems to be this idea that your kids are an offshoot of you rather than their own individual humans w/their own needs and rights. Becky's not as bad as the other Mormon mommies when it comes to sharing her kids. But she's still shilling them as part of her business and has therefore made it within bounds to comment on that. AFAIC it should be illegal to share your childrens' lives online without their continued consent (though that's a whole other issue as we determine kids can't even give consent legally) and unless you separate any proceeds made from sharing THEIR content/THEIR lives and put it into trust for them - similar to how child actors' parents have to put their money into trust for them. If you're going to make bank on your kids, and some like Jordan Page appear to be making hundreds of thousands/year plastering their kids' missteps online as "teaching moments" for other parents (ie. to make money for Jordan) then those kids should get a certain percentage of it, directly, in trust. Just like Coogan laws entail.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 21, 2020 14:03:00 GMT
There's never "no excuse" not to do something that isn't a chore or necessity. Turning scrapbooking and documenting into a chore is a certain way to make the kids dislike it. We've seen from Becky's neverending rambles about not having time or wanting to do the scrappy bit of scrapbooking (hence the "no decoration, no fuss, just slip it in" approach of her PL kits) that she actually doesn't seem to really enjoy it but sees it more as something that she's required to do. She's handing over this dislike to the next generation now.
There are plenty of ways to get the teens off their phones. Making them do one specific thing that just happens to what mummy's selling on IG is not a positive way. Encourage them to come sit with you for creative hour, doing whatever kind of crafting or artistic expression they're into. Don't tell them they have reached an age where they *have* to be writing down the story of their life. That's not a "modern" storytelling approach, that's a mandatory writing assignment. No need to fluff it up with your brand and logo and shit quotes. You're just giving your kids a personal diary type of writing assignment you will then share online.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 21, 2020 14:37:35 GMT
sleepingbooty definitely agree that her approach is not the best way to get them to actually enjoy the hobby, but, at least from what I've read on this thread, Mormons seem to view "memory keeping" as a duty rather than something to be done for fun. So this might stem from that... in her mind it's similar to assigning them bible study. I also agree that there are plenty of other good things she can have them do to get them to get off their phone, I'm just thinking in the realm of everything she can "require" of them, a writing assignment is probably a positive... a good way to keep up their writing skills during summer break when they otherwise might not be using them. Many high school students are encouraged to write essays and other projects over the summer, I know my daughter's honors english class requires her to participate in summer reading and essays so that she doesn't lose the skills. So how is this "assignment" really any different? It's still a way to get them to practice a basic academic skill. Sharing what they wrote online is a different thing entirely... ETA: I guess I just see this as more of an academic/learning exercise than anything else. I would agree that academics are not chores or "necessities" in that they are not required to live, but I also don't think that teens should have an easy out to academics...it's an important part of life. @zingermack I totally agree that parents should not be using their children for profit and there is a fine line between what is okay and what isn't. But I also agree that Becky is not that bad compared to many others out there, especially influencers/youtubers. That said, there is a certain level of online sharing that almost everyone engages in these days... how different is it really to share a goofy picture of your kids antics on your facebook (something that basically everyone I know does) than putting that picture in a scrapbook page and then sharing it? There is definitely a line when you start doing it for profit, but Becky's kids are old enough to understand what that means and to be able to consent to some sort of online persona. I also remember how her daughter started an online business not that long ago and used Becky's instagram reach to help promote her business, so it is likely that, at least she, was on board with this and was using it to earn her own income. And it doesn't seem like these kids are wanting for much... they have almost definitely benefited from the income Becky has earned through her online endeavors. It would be different if Becky was sharing a video of a little kid on a potty (looking at you April...), but these are teenagers and they likely were aware that their pages were going to be shared prior to writing them--they didn't include anything particularly personal or embarrassing and were somewhat superficial. I'm totally not judging anyone's opinions here and am happy to have an honest discussion about it. Becky does a lot of crazy things that deserve the scrutiny and backlash she gets but, in my opinion, this just isn't one of those things.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 21, 2020 15:01:24 GMT
lasteve1 The way she worded it was harsh and not at all in the vein of how a positive parenting/education adult would express themselves ("If your kids are old enough to form sentences, they’re old enough to author their own story. There’s no excuse good enough for my kids to NOT be doing this. They’re 17, 14, and 11"). While academic skills are important, this was clearly not her aim or she'd have happily gloated about it. She also gave the same assignment to three kids of different ages which wouldn't be in line with a parent attempting to use home activities to keep up with school. A writing assignment for age 17 is not at all the same as for age 11. The mandatory aspect is what irked people on here, not the fact her children are participating in documenting their own lives. As a literary girl, I'm happy when the kids of my friends do some writing, be it creative fiction, poetry, raw observations or autobiographical reflections. It's part of school life and one hopes students would bring it back home to develop their own voice, self-perception and find a way to reflect on life. But to say that children who are capable of writing have no excuse for not documenting their life is sucking the fun out of it and likely to achieve to opposite effect of the actual mental health benefits of keeping some kind of personal diary. It's a major shame that someone once so prominent in the documenting movement is teaching this craft in such an unhealthy and negative way to her offspring. Major red flag. That's a bad educator, period. She was both a bad educator to her own children and to all her followers over this aspect. It was terrible advice. The irony of her not seeing that such an antiquated and archaic method is in direct violation of her brand name cracks me up. That's so Becky.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 21, 2020 15:21:40 GMT
sleepingbooty totally see your point and I do agree the way she phrased it was somewhat abrasive. I think part of that comes from the church pushing Mormons to keep a family history, whether they want to or not, and she is pushing that teaching on her children. Is this ideal? No. But of all the things the Mormon church pushes on their children... this is probably one of the better things, lol. I also think that something doesn't need to be framed as academic for it to actually be academic. It also might be that she framed this to her children in one way, "we have a duty as Mormons to document our history and I want you to practice your writing skills so you don't lose them over the summer break, so please do this assignment" and to her community in a different way... I think she feels like a lot of her followers suffer from the "i'm not good enough at documenting to do this" and she incorrectly thought her statement was encouraging rather than abrasive... but that's just Becky, welcome to Becky's world. I also agree that she is likely sucking the fun out of the activity for her kids, but again, we don't know what really went on and maybe the kids were actually interested in the project and just needed a little prompting. Maybe they actually enjoyed the experience. No one has ever accused Becky of being a good teacher, although she likes to think she is... The only thing you said that confuses me is your questioning giving the same assignment to kids of different ages. As a former teacher, I think this is totally acceptable, you would just have different standards for what you received in response. The journaling prompt: "3 things you are grateful for" would be a great assignment for any age. To a 6 year old, I would expect a response of drawings with maybe a one word label, or dictated answers to an adult. To a 10 year old I would expect a few factual sentences. For a 15 year old I would probably expect a paragraph for each item with a more thoughtful analysis. I think revisiting the same prompts is actually a good way to measure growth. Of course, certain more in depth prompts are only suited for certain age groups (e.g. you wouldn't ask a 6 year old to reflect on the economy) but one thing I learned in college for teaching was the way to adapt the same subject matter for various age groups. For example, in the USA the current events related to racism and BLM are a good prompt to teach kids of all ages about implicit biases and ways to combat racism. However, the way you would frame this lesson to a 6 year old would be very different than to a 10 year old or a 17 year old but the underlying subject matter is the same.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 21, 2020 15:32:11 GMT
The only thing you said that confuses me is your questioning giving the same assignment to kids of different ages. As a former teacher, I think this is totally acceptable, you would just have different standards for what you received in response. The journaling prompt: "3 things you are grateful for" would be a great assignment for any age. While it is a fine assignment, it's just a general writing assignment, not an actual activity that was intended to have an academic impact. It's at best a general meta-academic activity. For academic purposes, a parent attempting to inject more school curriculum during summer/shelter in place would have given grade-appropriate instructions. Otherwise, anything can be excused as academic. (From one former teacher to another.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 15:37:11 GMT
sleepingbooty definitely agree that her approach is not the best way to get them to actually enjoy the hobby, but, at least from what I've read on this thread, Mormons seem to view "memory keeping" as a duty rather than something to be done for fun. So this might stem from that... in her mind it's similar to assigning them bible study. I also agree that there are plenty of other good things she can have them do to get them to get off their phone, I'm just thinking in the realm of everything she can "require" of them, a writing assignment is probably a positive... a good way to keep up their writing skills during summer break when they otherwise might not be using them. Many high school students are encouraged to write essays and other projects over the summer, I know my daughter's honors english class requires her to participate in summer reading and essays so that she doesn't lose the skills. So how is this "assignment" really any different? It's still a way to get them to practice a basic academic skill. Sharing what they wrote online is a different thing entirely... ETA: I guess I just see this as more of an academic/learning exercise than anything else. I would agree that academics are not chores or "necessities" in that they are not required to live, but I also don't think that teens should have an easy out to academics...it's an important part of life. @zingermack I totally agree that parents should not be using their children for profit and there is a fine line between what is okay and what isn't. But I also agree that Becky is not that bad compared to many others out there, especially influencers/youtubers. That said, there is a certain level of online sharing that almost everyone engages in these days... how different is it really to share a goofy picture of your kids antics on your facebook (something that basically everyone I know does) than putting that picture in a scrapbook page and then sharing it? There is definitely a line when you start doing it for profit, but Becky's kids are old enough to understand what that means and to be able to consent to some sort of online persona. I also remember how her daughter started an online business not that long ago and used Becky's instagram reach to help promote her business, so it is likely that, at least she, was on board with this and was using it to earn her own income. And it doesn't seem like these kids are wanting for much... they have almost definitely benefited from the income Becky has earned through her online endeavors. It would be different if Becky was sharing a video of a little kid on a potty (looking at you April...), but these are teenagers and they likely were aware that their pages were going to be shared prior to writing them--they didn't include anything particularly personal or embarrassing and were somewhat superficial. I'm totally not judging anyone's opinions here and am happy to have an honest discussion about it. Becky does a lot of crazy things that deserve the scrutiny and backlash she gets but, in my opinion, this just isn't one of those things. Exactly. Assign them chores. Assign them writing projects. Even make them "document" if you think that's effective parenting (I don't). But the minute you share the OUTPUT of their documenting on an LLC page, you're profiting off of them - you're crossing a line from a normal facebook parent (not-for-profit) to a monetized, for-profit business using your kids for content. And then, the rules should change, imo.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 21, 2020 15:42:26 GMT
There seems to be this idea that your kids are an offshoot of you rather than their own individual humans w/their own needs and rights. No other success can compensate for failure in the home. … The poorest shack … in which love prevails over a united family is of greater value to God and future humanity than [any other riches]. In such a home God can work miracles and will work miracles. … Pure hearts in a pure home are always in whispering distance of Heaven. Parenthood … should be held as a sacred obligation. There is something in the depths of the human soul which revolts against neglectful parenthood. God has implanted deep in the souls of parents the truth that they cannot with impunity shirk the responsibility to protect childhood and youth. A newborn babe is the most helpless creature in the world. The protecting care of parenthood is essential to its survival, as well as its growth. … Our most precious possessions, our treasures of eternity, are our children. These merit and should receive our greatest and our most constant care and guidance. President David O. McKay
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 21, 2020 15:43:18 GMT
The only thing you said that confuses me is your questioning giving the same assignment to kids of different ages. As a former teacher, I think this is totally acceptable, you would just have different standards for what you received in response. The journaling prompt: "3 things you are grateful for" would be a great assignment for any age. While it is a fine assignment, it's just a general writing assignment, not an actual activity that was intended to have an academic impact. It's at best a general meta-academic activity. For academic purposes, a parent attempting to inject more school curriculum during summer/shelter in place would have given grade-appropriate instructions. Otherwise, anything can be excused as academic. (From one former teacher to another.) Of course, she isn't winning any homeschooling awards. My point was just this assignment, however loosely presented, was better than nothing and maybe she gave more "behind the scenes" instruction and help to her kids that she didn't share? Idk, maybe this just comes from me wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 21, 2020 16:02:52 GMT
but, at least from what I've read on this thread, Mormons seem to view "memory keeping" as a duty rather than something to be done for fun. I view it as both. I have a sister and aunt who LOVE family history. They did extensive work before it exploded online. My sister writes poems. She's a good writer. She tried scrapbooking, but just wanted to tell stories.
There's a push to do it, but not in a certain way. I think this is who Becky is trying to target. LDS women who "don't have the time to scrapbook" but feel the need to document their history.
I also agree forcing this on kids is a sure way to not care. I'm kind of that way. I saw the time it took away from the living; namely temple work, and church callings relating to family history. That's probably why I prefer to take less photos, scrap the happy things, enjoy the good moments, and not worry about my "legacy". I like it for the crafty aspect more than anything.
I guess I got tired of the stories of trials, tribulation, persecution, poverty... I realized that was them. I'm related to them, but they lived in a different time. I don't feel like I gained an amazing amount of strength from their stories. Usually, it was like cool story! That's neat I'm related to them, OR not so much being proud of the bio connection. Unless I personally knew them, it doesn't really help or inspire me much. Also, it's what they were willing to share. It was how they wanted to be viewed. I know I have no desire to be brutally honest about my life and leave it for future generations to read.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 21, 2020 16:04:43 GMT
sleepingbooty definitely agree that her approach is not the best way to get them to actually enjoy the hobby, but, at least from what I've read on this thread, Mormons seem to view "memory keeping" as a duty rather than something to be done for fun. So this might stem from that... in her mind it's similar to assigning them bible study. I also agree that there are plenty of other good things she can have them do to get them to get off their phone, I'm just thinking in the realm of everything she can "require" of them, a writing assignment is probably a positive... a good way to keep up their writing skills during summer break when they otherwise might not be using them. Many high school students are encouraged to write essays and other projects over the summer, I know my daughter's honors english class requires her to participate in summer reading and essays so that she doesn't lose the skills. So how is this "assignment" really any different? It's still a way to get them to practice a basic academic skill. Sharing what they wrote online is a different thing entirely... ETA: I guess I just see this as more of an academic/learning exercise than anything else. I would agree that academics are not chores or "necessities" in that they are not required to live, but I also don't think that teens should have an easy out to academics...it's an important part of life. @zingermack I totally agree that parents should not be using their children for profit and there is a fine line between what is okay and what isn't. But I also agree that Becky is not that bad compared to many others out there, especially influencers/youtubers. That said, there is a certain level of online sharing that almost everyone engages in these days... how different is it really to share a goofy picture of your kids antics on your facebook (something that basically everyone I know does) than putting that picture in a scrapbook page and then sharing it? There is definitely a line when you start doing it for profit, but Becky's kids are old enough to understand what that means and to be able to consent to some sort of online persona. I also remember how her daughter started an online business not that long ago and used Becky's instagram reach to help promote her business, so it is likely that, at least she, was on board with this and was using it to earn her own income. And it doesn't seem like these kids are wanting for much... they have almost definitely benefited from the income Becky has earned through her online endeavors. It would be different if Becky was sharing a video of a little kid on a potty (looking at you April...), but these are teenagers and they likely were aware that their pages were going to be shared prior to writing them--they didn't include anything particularly personal or embarrassing and were somewhat superficial. I'm totally not judging anyone's opinions here and am happy to have an honest discussion about it. Becky does a lot of crazy things that deserve the scrutiny and backlash she gets but, in my opinion, this just isn't one of those things. Exactly. Assign them chores. Assign them writing projects. Even make them "document" if you think that's effective parenting (I don't). But the minute you share the OUTPUT of their documenting on an LLC page, you're profiting off of them - you're crossing a line from a normal facebook parent (not-for-profit) to a monetized, for-profit business using your kids for content. And then, the rules should change, imo. Totally agree if the kids are too young to consent or don't agree with you sharing their pages... but something tells me that at least Claire was happy about being featured... she just started her art business on instagram and has used her mom's reach to promote her business and probably receive a few commissions herself. I just think teens are old enough to understand the ramifications and consent... if they want their pages shared what is the difference between her sharing those and pages submitted by other members of the community? Of course, it's a totally different story if the kids don't want to be shared or weren't asked.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 21, 2020 19:07:02 GMT
lasteve1 Back to the albums: the faux leather white 12x12 (silver plate) is back in stock on scrapbook.com and marked down for their Christmas in July sale to just over $25 if you're interested. The white has sold out several times since they started stocking them early this year.
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