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Post by refugeepea on Jan 28, 2019 16:23:48 GMT
I am intrigued by her husband's hair because it's encouraged to have a clean shaven face and short hair in the LDS church. So many questions.  Then again maybe that's changed. My nephew is actually rocking the man bun and has a beard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 17:30:26 GMT
....However, when taking into account the early age of marriage (even earlier for people TC's age, I'm guessing), the pronounced patriarchal hierarchy (and submission of women to their husbands) as well as the ratio imbalance between Mormon men and women, one can't help but think that Mormon women might feel an incredible amount of pressure to marry when "on the market." .... wow. I had no idea about the ratio imbalance?! That's just weird. Have to dig in to the paper when I have more time. No wonder so many of the mormon IG-ers I've seen seem to have a competition to out-"shine" each other. Perfect hair, perfect body, perfect clothes, perfect pose, perfect smile, etc. It's a buyer's market for the LDS elders. Found this summary of the paper: universe.byu.edu/2015/10/20/ratio-imbalance-more-mormon-women-than-men1/And a Time article: "“Wow,” he said, “that sounds a lot like the Shidduch Crisis.” I had never heard of it, but the Shidduch Crisis turned out to be a marriage crisis among Orthodox Jews remarkably similar to the one afflicting Mormons. Both of these socially conservative communities are suffering from marriage crises that are testing not only their faiths but social norms as well. “You have no idea how big a problem this is,” said Tristen Ure Hunt, founder of the Mormon Matchmaker, a Salt Lake City dating agency."... At first glance, the state of Utah—60 percent Mormon and home of the LDS church—looks like the wrong place to study what I like to call the man deficit. Like several other western states, Utah actually has more men than women. Utah’s ratio of men to women across all age groups is the fifth highest in the nation. But lurking beneath the Census data is a demographic anomaly that makes Utah a textbook example of how shifting gender ratios alter behavior. The LDS church actually has one of the most lopsided gender ratios of any religion in the United States. “There are so many options for the men, it’s no wonder it’s hard for them to settle down,” said Deena Cox, a single, 34-year-old office manager who lives in Salt Lake City. One fact that becomes apparent when studying the demographics of religion is that it is almost always the women who are more devout. Across all faiths, women are less likely than men to leave organized religion. According to the Pew Research Center, 67 percent of self-described atheists are men. Statistically speaking, an atheist meeting may be one of the best places for single women to meet available men." time.com/dateonomics/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 6:57:27 GMT
Thank you all for letting me know who this Emily girl was. I really was perplexed, lol. I don't follow hair bloggers. I think Tracie Clairborne grifter stories are enough for me, lol.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 29, 2019 23:52:39 GMT
OMG 24 pages about square vs rounded corners Becky Higgins stubbornness and ramblings. Damn Becky you missed the boat on that one. Make the change to square corners and sell your own branded over priced corner rounder. The solution is so effin simple and in all her holier than thou condescension she couldn’t see that? Then of course sell a few over priced embellishments to go with, are you stupid? Why they hell not? Who cares if you want to use them your customers did 950nancy let me know when you sell it I’m in. scrapaddict702 exactly she could have sold it when she lost interest in it if she had it as a seperate brand joblackford letters or monagrams would have been nice. In matching comes rather than grey or beige Btw took me 3 days to read this thread. Y’all are some wise & funny women. |
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Post by hop2 on Jan 30, 2019 0:05:53 GMT
imho Justin Timberlake can to pretty much anything to music & I’ll watch him. Even if he did the wrapping paper dance |
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 30, 2019 1:20:58 GMT
imho Justin Timberlake can to pretty much anything to music & I’ll watch him. Even if he did the wrapping paper dance I love him in SNL sketches when he dresses up as a weiner or whatever and sings on the corner. |
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Post by scrappyem on Jan 30, 2019 13:28:02 GMT
....However, when taking into account the early age of marriage (even earlier for people TC's age, I'm guessing), the pronounced patriarchal hierarchy (and submission of women to their husbands) as well as the ratio imbalance between Mormon men and women, one can't help but think that Mormon women might feel an incredible amount of pressure to marry when "on the market." .... wow. I had no idea about the ratio imbalance?! That's just weird. Have to dig in to the paper when I have more time. No wonder so many of the mormon IG-ers I've seen seem to have a competition to out-"shine" each other. Perfect hair, perfect body, perfect clothes, perfect pose, perfect smile, etc. It's a buyer's market for the LDS elders. Found this summary of the paper: universe.byu.edu/2015/10/20/ratio-imbalance-more-mormon-women-than-men1/And a Time article: "“Wow,” he said, “that sounds a lot like the Shidduch Crisis.” I had never heard of it, but the Shidduch Crisis turned out to be a marriage crisis among Orthodox Jews remarkably similar to the one afflicting Mormons. Both of these socially conservative communities are suffering from marriage crises that are testing not only their faiths but social norms as well. “You have no idea how big a problem this is,” said Tristen Ure Hunt, founder of the Mormon Matchmaker, a Salt Lake City dating agency."... At first glance, the state of Utah—60 percent Mormon and home of the LDS church—looks like the wrong place to study what I like to call the man deficit. Like several other western states, Utah actually has more men than women. Utah’s ratio of men to women across all age groups is the fifth highest in the nation. But lurking beneath the Census data is a demographic anomaly that makes Utah a textbook example of how shifting gender ratios alter behavior. The LDS church actually has one of the most lopsided gender ratios of any religion in the United States. “There are so many options for the men, it’s no wonder it’s hard for them to settle down,” said Deena Cox, a single, 34-year-old office manager who lives in Salt Lake City. One fact that becomes apparent when studying the demographics of religion is that it is almost always the women who are more devout. Across all faiths, women are less likely than men to leave organized religion. According to the Pew Research Center, 67 percent of self-described atheists are men. Statistically speaking, an atheist meeting may be one of the best places for single women to meet available men." time.com/dateonomics/ Wow. That's fascinating. Thanks for sharing. And apparently I need to go to an Atheist meeting. Might be better than app dating. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 30, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
One fact that becomes apparent when studying the demographics of religion is that it is almost always the women who are more devout. Across all faiths, women are less likely than men to leave organized religion. According to the Pew Research Center, 67 percent of self-described atheists are men. Statistically speaking, an atheist meeting may be one of the best places for single women to meet available men." Wow. That's fascinating. Thanks for sharing. And apparently I need to go to an Atheist meeting. Might be better than app dating. GURL! Pick. of. the. litter. Atheist and humanist conventions are filled with men. Loads of middle-age men. Mind you, the atheist community has its own white male issues and problems with how women are/have been dealt with but if you go to the good groups and conferences that don't put up with this sh*t or excused the unacceptable behaviour of men like David Silverman, you're in for free drinks and loads of interesting discussions that could lead to more... 
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 30, 2019 16:47:14 GMT
Honestly I'm pretty disappointed in women for not leaving religion at the same rate as men. Especially because most religions tend to treat men much better than women.
Of course, I'm a super liberal atheist woman with a post-grad degree living in New York, so I'm probably not the best judge of what goes on inside tight-knit religious communities.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 30, 2019 17:51:32 GMT
One fact that becomes apparent when studying the demographics of religion is that it is almost always the women who are more devout. Across all faiths, women are less likely than men to leave organized religion. According to the Pew Research Center, 67 percent of self-described atheists are men. Statistically speaking, an atheist meeting may be one of the best places for single women to meet available men." This might go a long way in explaining why there seem to be a lot of stepford style women married in some of these more cult like religious groups. They have to work harder to appeal to the men and it would seem that it's a competition as to who can be the most submissive.
Religion in general is very anti-woman. I mean the whole premise of the bible is that the reason we're not living in some sort of perfect utopia is because a woman ate an apple.
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Post by marg on Jan 30, 2019 17:53:34 GMT
Damn Becky you missed the boat on that one. Make the change to square corners and sell your own branded over priced corner rounder. The solution is so effin simple and in all her holier than thou condescension she couldn’t see that? Then of course sell a few over priced embellishments to go with, are you stupid? Why they hell not? Who cares if you want to use them your customers did Right? Customers are begging for this stuff and for some reason she'd rather not give them what they want. Why? Because she just wants to do what she wants and doesn't care? So weird for a business person to act this way. There was a point where people would have bought anything she sold, but she shot herself in the foot with branching out into decor, etc. It's a good lesson for a business class. |
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 30, 2019 17:55:44 GMT
Of course, I'm a super liberal atheist woman with a post-grad degree living in New York, so I'm probably not the best judge of what goes on inside tight-knit religious communities. No, but you sound like an awesome person to hang out with! |
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 30, 2019 18:01:55 GMT
Thank you for the flowers, and remember that all TVs are 10% off this week at Big Ed's TV barn!". OMG! That is seriously funny right there. I find many things humorous but that made me bust out and laugh and then laugh again when I reread it! Thanks for that!! |
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Post by scrappyem on Jan 30, 2019 18:15:07 GMT
Wow. That's fascinating. Thanks for sharing. And apparently I need to go to an Atheist meeting. Might be better than app dating. GURL! Pick. of. the. litter. Atheist and humanist conventions are filled with men. Loads of middle-age men. Mind you, the atheist community has its own white male issues and problems with how women are/have been dealt with but if you go to the good groups and conferences that don't put up with this sh*t or excused the unacceptable behaviour of men like David Silverman, you're in for free drinks and loads of interesting discussions that could lead to more...
That is such good advice. Thanks for cracking me up. I'll have to check out one of the good conferences without the BS. I'm interested in the topic, so meeting someone would be a bonus. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 30, 2019 18:23:55 GMT
GURL! Pick. of. the. litter. Atheist and humanist conventions are filled with men. Loads of middle-age men. Mind you, the atheist community has its own white male issues and problems with how women are/have been dealt with but if you go to the good groups and conferences that don't put up with this sh*t or excused the unacceptable behaviour of men like David Silverman, you're in for free drinks and loads of interesting discussions that could lead to more... That is such good advice. Thanks for cracking me up. I'll have to check out one of the good conferences without the BS. I'm interested in the topic, so meeting someone would be a bonus. If you're interested in the topic, I can recommend some podcasts to get you started and thinking. Let me know.  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 30, 2019 18:28:22 GMT
Honestly I'm pretty disappointed in women for not leaving religion at the same rate as men. Especially because most religions tend to treat men much better than women. Patriarchal societies and religions leave less room for personal growth and development to women. They're married younger, carry most of the childrearing and homekeeping burden, have restricted social circles that tend to echo the religious views and world they're in, etc. Their identity is tied up in the patriarchal role they were assigned. I wish women were leaving at the same rate (if not at a higher rate since they've been the most oppressed) but I also understand why they don't. |
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 30, 2019 18:40:05 GMT
No, but you sound like an awesome person to hang out with! Aww thanks! Patriarchal societies and religions leave less room for personal growth and development to women. They're married younger, carry most of the childrearing and homekeeping burden, have restricted social circles that tend to echo the religious views and world they're in, etc. Their identity is tied up in the patriarchal role they were assigned. I wish women were leaving at the same rate (if not at a higher rate since they've been the most oppressed) but I also understand why they don't. That's super sad, I figured it might have something to do with lack of access to education and inability for a woman to leave the community because she would have no means of supporting herself. That, combined with the fact that women are often married super young and have children really quick, probably gives them lack of options--even if they internally have thought about leaving. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 30, 2019 18:59:50 GMT
Patriarchal societies and religions leave less room for personal growth and development to women. They're married younger, carry most of the childrearing and homekeeping burden, have restricted social circles that tend to echo the religious views and world they're in, etc. Their identity is tied up in the patriarchal role they were assigned. I wish women were leaving at the same rate (if not at a higher rate since they've been the most oppressed) but I also understand why they don't. That's super sad, I figured it might have something to do with lack of access to education and inability for a woman to leave the community because she would have no means of supporting herself. That, combined with the fact that women are often married super young and have children really quick, probably gives them lack of options--even if they internally have thought about leaving. Here's a short Psychology Today article on the topic with different explorations as to why women are more religious (it doesn't touch on the precise subject of leaving religion, however). Several of my favourite heterosexual male atheist "celebrities" were either the first in their partnership/marriage to leave religion before their SO followed or have a SO who is still religious. So, there's a cultural attachment and deeply ingrained message that goes beyond the actual possibilities and freedom offered by their spouse.
This is why, as a woman, I feel it extra important to speak up and label myself an atheist openly. It's only with examples fellow women can immediately relate to that change can happen.
ETA: Apologies for the temporary NSBR-y discussion in this thread!
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Post by lasteve1 on Jan 30, 2019 19:40:14 GMT
That's super sad, I figured it might have something to do with lack of access to education and inability for a woman to leave the community because she would have no means of supporting herself. That, combined with the fact that women are often married super young and have children really quick, probably gives them lack of options--even if they internally have thought about leaving. Here's a short Psychology Today article on the topic with different explorations as to why women are more religious (it doesn't touch on the precise subject of leaving religion, however). Several of my favourite heterosexual male atheist "celebrities" were either the first in their partnership/marriage to leave religion before their SO followed or have a SO who is still religious. So, there's a cultural attachment and deeply ingrained message that goes beyond the actual possibilities and freedom offered by their spouse.
This is why, as a woman, I feel it extra important to speak up and label myself an atheist openly. It's only with examples fellow women can immediately relate to that change can happen.
ETA: Apologies for the temporary NSBR-y discussion in this thread!
That's interesting to me because I am openly atheist and so is my mom (raised Jewish). But, my dad (raised non-denominational Christian) prefers to call himself "not religious" which in his words means he just doesn't think about it. My husband labels himself as agnostic but was raised Catholic. So in my little circle it's the opposite. I guess we're the odd ones! |
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Post by pancakes on Jan 30, 2019 20:25:43 GMT
Here's a short Psychology Today article on the topic with different explorations as to why women are more religious (it doesn't touch on the precise subject of leaving religion, however). Several of my favourite heterosexual male atheist "celebrities" were either the first in their partnership/marriage to leave religion before their SO followed or have a SO who is still religious. So, there's a cultural attachment and deeply ingrained message that goes beyond the actual possibilities and freedom offered by their spouse.
This is why, as a woman, I feel it extra important to speak up and label myself an atheist openly. It's only with examples fellow women can immediately relate to that change can happen.
ETA: Apologies for the temporary NSBR-y discussion in this thread!
That's interesting to me because I am openly atheist and so is my mom (raised Jewish). But, my dad (raised non-denominational Christian) prefers to call himself "not religious" which in his words means he just doesn't think about it. My husband labels himself as agnostic but was raised Catholic. So in my little circle it's the opposite. I guess we're the odd ones! Before I became more religious, I classified myself as "not religious" like your dad. Because it wasn't that I believed or disbelieved. I, too, just never thought about it. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jan 30, 2019 20:31:00 GMT
That's super sad, I figured it might have something to do with lack of access to education and inability for a woman to leave the community because she would have no means of supporting herself. That, combined with the fact that women are often married super young and have children really quick, probably gives them lack of options--even if they internally have thought about leaving. Here's a short Psychology Today article on the topic with different explorations as to why women are more religious (it doesn't touch on the precise subject of leaving religion, however). Several of my favourite heterosexual male atheist "celebrities" were either the first in their partnership/marriage to leave religion before their SO followed or have a SO who is still religious. So, there's a cultural attachment and deeply ingrained message that goes beyond the actual possibilities and freedom offered by their spouse.
This is why, as a woman, I feel it extra important to speak up and label myself an atheist openly. It's only with examples fellow women can immediately relate to that change can happen.
ETA: Apologies for the temporary NSBR-y discussion in this thread!
I find this to be interesting because my husband is a believer and I am not, then again, I'm used to being an anomaly when it comes to statistics. I don't consider myself a feminist because I view those people as active advocates who fight for women's rights. I certainly agree with what those women are doing, but I just don't have it in me to be on the front lines fighting the good fight. As an alpha, I will never accept that there is some deity out there that intentionally created me as an inferior solely based on the sex organs that I was born with yet saddled me with the responsibility to grow new people. I don't write off the possibility that there is something more out there, but I do write off the notion that religion has the foggiest clue as to what or who that is. I don't consider myself an atheist. I consider myself an anti-theist. I worry less about what people choose to believe in and more about the damage those beliefs cause. Religion is a tool used to control and manipulate those who follow and to hate those who do not. They also aim to force conformity onto nonbelievers and fight against accepting those that are different than them. If you need religion in order to behave simply because you fear what will happen to you when you die if you misbehave, then you're not a very good person. Fear of consequence is not what deems someone to be of good moral character. Choosing to be moral and to be a good person even if you could get away with not being a good and moral person is a far better measure. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 30, 2019 21:17:46 GMT
Oh??? Cruise? Well there goes my day. I must go read this thread. ya go, Alice in Freckledland. Enjoy your trip down the rabbit hole! I gotta say, this sent me down a huge rabbit hole, too- reddit snark, GOMI (which I've never heard of before), instagram influencers that all look practically IDENTICAL (WTF is up with THAT?), catching up on Stephanie Nielson's blog (and the snark that goes along with it)... thanks! (said half-sarcastically, half-sincerely.) oh, and OMG!!! 5 kids before 27, and 6 kids before the age of 30?!?!?  wow! |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jan 31, 2019 0:06:03 GMT
Emily who?  Emily Myers Carmack. She is known as the Freckled Fox on Instagram. She is a certifiable hot mess express - 6 kids under 7 (I believe) and was the victim of a 'peaceful at home shooting' that involve her new husband accidentally shooting her in the knee while her kids were home to witness. Her husband then went on Instagram explaining why he did not and would not be apologizing EVER for it. I had to quit following her. Im all for drama but hers was just too much. I laughed out loud at certifiable hot mess express 😂😂😂 definitely stealing that one for use in my everyday life |
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Post by mom on Jan 31, 2019 0:54:04 GMT
Emily Myers Carmack. She is known as the Freckled Fox on Instagram. She is a certifiable hot mess express - 6 kids under 7 (I believe) and was the victim of a 'peaceful at home shooting' that involve her new husband accidentally shooting her in the knee while her kids were home to witness. Her husband then went on Instagram explaining why he did not and would not be apologizing EVER for it. I had to quit following her. Im all for drama but hers was just too much. I laughed out loud at certifiable hot mess express 😂😂😂 definitely stealing that one for use in my everyday life Its a personal favorite of mine, IRL. Use it well, use it often but don't ever let anyone use the phrase to describe you! |
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Post by chances on Jan 31, 2019 3:54:07 GMT
Emily who? Emily Myers Carmack. She is known as the Freckled Fox on Instagram. She is a certifiable hot mess express - 6 kids under 7 (I believe) and was the victim of a 'peaceful at home shooting' that involve her new husband accidentally shooting her in the knee while her kids were home to witness. Her husband then went on Instagram explaining why he did not and would not be apologizing EVER for it. I had to quit following her. Im all for drama but hers was just too much. Do you happen to have a link? I tried to find out why on earth he wouldn't apologize but just found write ups about her. |
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Post by mom on Jan 31, 2019 4:01:23 GMT
Emily Myers Carmack. She is known as the Freckled Fox on Instagram. She is a certifiable hot mess express - 6 kids under 7 (I believe) and was the victim of a 'peaceful at home shooting' that involve her new husband accidentally shooting her in the knee while her kids were home to witness. Her husband then went on Instagram explaining why he did not and would not be apologizing EVER for it. I had to quit following her. Im all for drama but hers was just too much. Do you happen to have a link? I tried to find out why on earth he wouldn't apologize but just found write ups about her. I dont right now - if I remember I will look tomorrow when I can focus. I saw him talking about it on a Live Instagram video. There maybe a blog post as well about it. |
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Post by karinec on Jan 31, 2019 13:25:35 GMT
Sweet Jesus, another email. Please stop.
I’m officially unsubscribing.
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Post by crafty on Jan 31, 2019 13:53:15 GMT
Sweet Jesus, another email. Please stop. I’m officially unsubscribing. Omg. She is such an over-explainer. Stop. It’s looking desperate. Becky, are you trying to convince us or yourself that everything is fine? I think your tactic may be counterproductive. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 31, 2019 13:55:08 GMT
okay, you guys have intrigued me! you need to post the e-mail, or post a link to it, now...
(it's kind of like passing an accident on the road- I can't look away from it.)
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Post by susanstwins on Jan 31, 2019 14:02:12 GMT
New day new BH email explaining her business to us again. I'm not really sure why she doesn't just come here and talk directly to us, every email I read from her always feels like it's in response to this thread. She does seem to be listening a bit now.
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Then again maybe that's changed. My nephew is actually rocking the man bun and has a beard. 
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