sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 4, 2018 0:10:56 GMT
I’ve been about to lose it on my Facebook feed this week, seeing a few variations of that sentiment. The amount of women posting this stuff is truly mind blowing. And really sad.
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Post by Olan on Oct 4, 2018 0:27:11 GMT
I've only seen these sentiments here at 2peas. I don't personally know one human who has expressed concern their son might be falsely accused of rape. Likely because they are far more worried about their sons being shot dead by police.
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Post by zookeeper on Oct 4, 2018 0:36:27 GMT
So let me get this straight...as a mother of a son I am not allowed to fear for him? Full effing stop and eff that shit. I love him and I am allowed to fear for him being falsely accused just like I fear my bonus daughter being assaulted.
I think this idea that we are not allowed to fear for our sons because the likelihood of a girl being assaulted is higher than a male being falsely accused is a load of crap. I am allowed to fear both things.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 4, 2018 0:37:13 GMT
pierkiss & lainey - Please accept my apology for not explaining my comment. IMHO the OP, addressed to moms of boys & implying a girl moms vs boy moms dynamic, is a current version of "mommy wars." No, I assure you, it’s not. It’s a response to the talk about how afraid some people are for men now, which I find ridiculous and frankly insulting. My post was intended to highlight the difference between the precautions women take and the fact that many men seem to feel it is their world, and it is every woman’s job to either prevent assault or accept that being assaulted is just something that happens if women don’t take adequate precautions. It’s a complete abdication of men’s responsibility for their actions, and yes, it’s being perpetrated by some women, including women here. Thanks for the clarification, but your OP actually was addressed to & lectured boy moms; it has an unmistakable us vs them ("mommy wars") vibe to me. I certainly do not condone anyone for mistreating others & am not making excuses for anyone who does. Rather, I advocate that it's normal (& definitely not "ridiculous") for a parent to be concerned about her child regardless his/her/their sex/gender.
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Post by leslie132 on Oct 4, 2018 0:47:18 GMT
I had no intentions of replying..... I typically avoid these posts and prefer fluff. Having said that a town near us just released a story about a HS student being accused of sexual assault. It has been over a year long and there were 2 girls accusing him of assault. He has been put through intense situations....Juvie, probation, home monitoring and obviously his high school days are over as are his chances of sports scholarships. He is in therapy and has to be home schooled due to the students at school turning on him. This was all based off of 2 accusing girls and 3 friends backing their story.
It has now come to light that the girls lied. 3 of the 5 admitted to it. There has been nothing done to the girls who have started this drama. They are attending school and have had no ill effects because of their behavior. Life is normal.
The boys family is seeking financial restitution from the school, the girls family, the attorneys who brought the case forward and law enforcement. It is ugly...... and it is sad. This boy was put through devastating situations because the one girl decided “I just don’t like him” Those are her words....not my opinion of the situation!
Something has to give. What, I don’t know. It is scary though. I raise my sons to know respect for all human kind. It doesn’t really count or make a difference though if the rest of the world doesn’t.
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Post by zookeeper on Oct 4, 2018 1:13:28 GMT
Having said that a town near us just released a story about a HS student being accused of sexual assault. It has been over a year long and there were 2 girls accusing him of assault. He has been put through intense situations....Juvie, probation, home monitoring and obviously his high school days are over as are his chances of sports scholarships. He is in therapy and has to be home schooled due to the students at school turning on him. This was all based off of 2 accusing girls and 3 friends backing their story. It has now come to light that the girls lied. 3 of the 5 admitted to it. There has been nothing done to the girls who have started this drama. They are attending school and have had no ill effects because of their behavior. Life is normal. The boys family is seeking financial restitution from the school, the girls family, the attorneys who brought the case forward and law enforcement. It is ugly...... and it is sad. This boy was put through devastating situations because the one girl decided “I just don’t like him” But mothers of sons are not allowing to fear this according to many peas in this thread. This is exactly what I fear.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 1:37:31 GMT
I never said boy moms weren't allowed to fear for their sons. We all fear for our children.
I'm simply trying to make a point that if you're fearing for your sons these days, welcome to the club, and here are some things you can teach them to help prevent problems. Things that moms of daughters have been teaching forever.
It's a bit disingenuous to act like societal expectations for boys vs. girls are not different with regards to preventing sexual assault. We're all familiar with the "what were you wearing?" and "how much did you have to drink" tropes when a woman reports assault. We're familiar with the purity culture and how it teaches that women are responsible for men's behavior. It's more than a bit disingenuous to act like the dangers for and expectations of young men are the same as they are for young women.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 1:40:34 GMT
No, I assure you, it’s not. It’s a response to the talk about how afraid some people are for men now, which I find ridiculous and frankly insulting. My post was intended to highlight the difference between the precautions women take and the fact that many men seem to feel it is their world, and it is every woman’s job to either prevent assault or accept that being assaulted is just something that happens if women don’t take adequate precautions. It’s a complete abdication of men’s responsibility for their actions, and yes, it’s being perpetrated by some women, including women here. I hate to insult you, but I do worry about it. Proving a negative is hard and by the time one cam prove their innocence, their reputation and life may be ruined. I don't wish that for my son. I don't worry about him actually assaulting someone as I believe he has been raised right and is a good young man, but that doesn't mean someone couldn't accuse him. I've seen men be falsely accused and it is devastating. I don't think most men believe it is up to the woman to prevent assault and it sucks that people lump males into that idea ETA: my concern isn't new and is not a result of the current hysteria, but rather the knowledge that it could happen. It's the new and suddenly hysterical concern - precipitated by women having the courage to speak out about their assaults - that I find offensive, not a mother's normal fear for her child. Our society most certainly believes it is up to women to prevent assault. Individuals may not, but ultimately, when a woman is assaulted, a good portion of society will want to know what she was wearing, how much she had to drink, why she was in that place at the time, why she didn't take clinical note of every detail and report it in the place and time that others think she should have, etc., etc. It's why so many women choose not to report. (We've got a whole thread on a male coach's statement that "girls ruin everything" with regards to the school dress code. If that doesn't pretty much sum up the attitude of a good portion of our society, I don't know what does.)
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 1:43:26 GMT
No, I assure you, it’s not. It’s a response to the talk about how afraid some people are for men now, which I find ridiculous and frankly insulting. My post was intended to highlight the difference between the precautions women take and the fact that many men seem to feel it is their world, and it is every woman’s job to either prevent assault or accept that being assaulted is just something that happens if women don’t take adequate precautions. It’s a complete abdication of men’s responsibility for their actions, and yes, it’s being perpetrated by some women, including women here. Thanks for the clarification, but your OP actually was addressed to & lectured boy moms; it has an unmistakable us vs them ("mommy wars") vibe to me. I certainly do not condone anone for mistreating others & am not making excuses for anyone who does. Rather, I advocate that it's normal (& definitely not "ridiculous") for a parent to be concerned about her child regardless his/her/their sex/gender. I don't believe I insinuated otherwise. What I read here and in the news is that, all of a sudden, all of these crazy harpies are coming out of the woodwork to ruin the lives of good men, so men everywhere must live in fear, and these women must be stopped. This is a narrative that is damaging to everyone. Please take my OP as a suggested antidote to that narrative.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 4, 2018 2:05:00 GMT
OMG this. I hadn't even thought of this in so long. I lived in Moscow Russia for a year about 20 years ago, and I had to teach myself VERY QUICKLY how to deal with creeps in the metro and on the street. At that time, it was always a given that Russian men would say things, follow you, all kinds of crap. I was in the metro saying goodbye to a friend, and an older man in a military uniform saw my Russian (male) friend leave and then try to convince me to go with him "out for fun." WTH. I learned the phrases to say, what to do, etc. You'll see women at night group themselves together in the metro cars, on the platform, walking to/from bus stops. I was groped a few times just while walking down the street. Assholes. But for a lot of the time, frankly, it's so cold and you're so bundled up it's a blessing in disguise. But still. It's crazy, isn't it? Where we live we don't have great public transport so I don't use it much. But my DD who is legally blind is away at college and uses the bus to get around. She's careful about using it, so I'm not worried about that. Anyway, a couple of years ago we went to Europe. We rode extensively in France and England. We were in England only 3 days but somehow managed to get in a car with a creepy old dude. He sat there and decided to tell us a "joke" - which of course, had a ribald punchline. Luckily DD didn't understand him with his accent. The dude had to be 90 years old at least, yet he found that the best way to talk to two younger women who were complete strangers was by telling a dirty joke. Why? Is this how his parents taught him that women should be treated in general, and strangers on the subway in particular?
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Post by mom on Oct 4, 2018 2:10:49 GMT
Wasn't there a Pea who's son was falsely accused of rape? Or am I not recalling correctly?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 4, 2018 2:18:38 GMT
Wasn't there a Pea who's son was falsely accused of rape? Or am I not recalling correctly? I recall that as well.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 4, 2018 2:27:36 GMT
Here's my problem with the whole issue. It often seems to be an "either or"...a "you must take a side"...argument.
I can concede that girls are taught to be aware of situations, but if we take it further than sex assault and focus being a victim of a crime, any crime, aren't most of the ideas the same? Wouldn't they hold true (with the exception of the clothing unless you happen to be in gang territory) for everyone?
We shouldn't have to worry about being victims of crime, any crime, but unfortunately there are bad people out there.
And I shouldn't have to worry about my sons being falsely accused of a crime, but there are assholes out there who would use it as a weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 2:36:56 GMT
Joseph Abbitt….convicted rape, witness ID, served 14 years….exonerated with DNA. Warith Abdal….convicted rape, witness ID, served 16 years….exonerated with DNA. Christopher Abernathy….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated with DNA. Darryl Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 15 years….exonerated with DNA. Jarrett Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 7 years….exonerated with DNA. Kenneth Adams….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated with DNA. Gilbert Alejandro…convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated with DNA. Malcolm Alexander….convicted rape, false accusation, served 38 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Alexander….convicted rape, witness ID, served 3 years….exonerated DNA. Albert Algarin….convicted rape, false accusation, served 5 years….exonerated DNA. George Allen….convicted rape, false accusation, served 30 years….exonerated DNA. Daniel Anderson….convicted rape, false accusation, served 33 years….exonerated DNA. Marvin Anderson….convicted rape, witness ID, served 20 years….exonerated DNA. Randolph Arledge….convicted rape, false accusation, served 29 years….exonerated DNA. Ralph Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 6 years….exonerated Herman Atkins….convicted rape, witness ID, served 12 years….exonerated DNA. Kenneth Atkins….convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated Steven Avery….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated DNA. Anselmo Aviles….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated David Ayers….convicted rape, false accusation, served 11 years….exonerated DNA. Randall Ayers….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated.
AND that is just the “A’s” from the National Registry of Exonerations. To these people the statistic isn't too small to worry about.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 2:40:12 GMT
Here's my problem with the whole issue. It often seems to be an "either or"...a "you must take a side"...argument. I can concede that girls are taught to be aware of situations, but if we take it further than sex assault and focus being a victim of a crime, any crime, aren't most of the ideas the same? Wouldn't they hold true (with the exception of the clothing unless you happen to be in gang territory) for everyone? We shouldn't have to worry about being victims of crime, any crime, but unfortunately there are bad people out there. And I shouldn't have to worry about my sons being falsely accused of a crime, but there are assholes out there who would use it as a weapon. Disagree. Do boys worry about being the victim of a crime at a house party? Taking an Uber home alone? While out jogging in a safe neighborhood? Because someone slipped something into their drink at a club? Women are uniquely vulnerable in normal life situations where men have little or no fear at all.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 2:41:33 GMT
Joseph Abbitt….convicted rape, witness ID, served 14 years….exonerated with DNA. Warith Abdal….convicted rape, witness ID, served 16 years….exonerated with DNA. Christopher Abernathy….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated with DNA. Darryl Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 15 years….exonerated with DNA. Jarrett Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 7 years….exonerated with DNA. Kenneth Adams….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated with DNA. Gilbert Alejandro…convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated with DNA. Malcolm Alexander….convicted rape, false accusation, served 38 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Alexander….convicted rape, witness ID, served 3 years….exonerated DNA. Albert Algarin….convicted rape, false accusation, served 5 years….exonerated DNA. George Allen….convicted rape, false accusation, served 30 years….exonerated DNA. Daniel Anderson….convicted rape, false accusation, served 33 years….exonerated DNA. Marvin Anderson….convicted rape, witness ID, served 20 years….exonerated DNA. Randolph Arledge….convicted rape, false accusation, served 29 years….exonerated DNA. Ralph Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 6 years….exonerated Herman Atkins….convicted rape, witness ID, served 12 years….exonerated DNA. Kenneth Atkins….convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated Steven Avery….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated DNA. Anselmo Aviles….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated David Ayers….convicted rape, false accusation, served 11 years….exonerated DNA. Randall Ayers….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated. AND that is just the “A’s” from the National Registry of Exonerations. To these people the statistic isn't too small to worry about. Agree that one false conviction is too many. I do not, however, agree that innocent men are now in even more danger because women are finding the courage to speak out. And it goes without saying that the list of women who have been assaulted is exponentially longer. (I wonder what the list of rapists who walked because "she was asking for it" would look like.)
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 4, 2018 2:51:25 GMT
Joseph Abbitt….convicted rape, witness ID, served 14 years….exonerated with DNA. Warith Abdal….convicted rape, witness ID, served 16 years….exonerated with DNA. Christopher Abernathy….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated with DNA. Darryl Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 15 years….exonerated with DNA. Jarrett Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 7 years….exonerated with DNA. Kenneth Adams….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated with DNA. Gilbert Alejandro…convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated with DNA. Malcolm Alexander….convicted rape, false accusation, served 38 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Alexander….convicted rape, witness ID, served 3 years….exonerated DNA. Albert Algarin….convicted rape, false accusation, served 5 years….exonerated DNA. George Allen….convicted rape, false accusation, served 30 years….exonerated DNA. Daniel Anderson….convicted rape, false accusation, served 33 years….exonerated DNA. Marvin Anderson….convicted rape, witness ID, served 20 years….exonerated DNA. Randolph Arledge….convicted rape, false accusation, served 29 years….exonerated DNA. Ralph Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 6 years….exonerated Herman Atkins….convicted rape, witness ID, served 12 years….exonerated DNA. Kenneth Atkins….convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated Steven Avery….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated DNA. Anselmo Aviles….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated David Ayers….convicted rape, false accusation, served 11 years….exonerated DNA. Randall Ayers….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated. AND that is just the “A’s” from the National Registry of Exonerations. To these people the statistic isn't too small to worry about. Agree that one false conviction is too many. I do not, however, agree that innocent men are now in even more danger because women are finding the courage to speak out. And it goes without saying that the list of women who have been assaulted is exponentially longer. (I wonder what the list of rapists who walked because "she was asking for it" would look like.) I do think they are in more danger now. People who would have never thought about accusing someone, now with the coverage, might have thought and because of the current climate, there seems to be a rush to condemn, even without proof. Are there crazy, conspiracy theorists...a la Alex Jones-esque people out there? Yes. There are the typical poo throwing assholes coming out of the woodwork, but that doesn't negate the normal people who also share the concern.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 4, 2018 2:54:04 GMT
Here's my problem with the whole issue. It often seems to be an "either or"...a "you must take a side"...argument. I can concede that girls are taught to be aware of situations, but if we take it further than sex assault and focus being a victim of a crime, any crime, aren't most of the ideas the same? Wouldn't they hold true (with the exception of the clothing unless you happen to be in gang territory) for everyone? We shouldn't have to worry about being victims of crime, any crime, but unfortunately there are bad people out there. And I shouldn't have to worry about my sons being falsely accused of a crime, but there are assholes out there who would use it as a weapon. Disagree. Do boys worry about being the victim of a crime at a house party? Taking an Uber home alone? While out jogging in a safe neighborhood? Because someone slipped something into their drink at a club? Women are uniquely vulnerable in normal life situations where men have little or no fear at all. absolutely they should be worried about most of that. Maybe they aren't sexually assault, maybe "just" physically assaulted, robbed, murdered. Each of those situations could go badly for a male. Women absolutely have a higher rate of being a victim of a sexual assault, but that doesn't make them the only victims of crime
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 3:12:53 GMT
Ok, thanks for the discussion. I’m going to have to step away from this conversation now.
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Post by M in Carolina on Oct 4, 2018 4:14:51 GMT
Disagree. Do boys worry about being the victim of a crime at a house party? Taking an Uber home alone? While out jogging in a safe neighborhood? Because someone slipped something into their drink at a club? Women are uniquely vulnerable in normal life situations where men have little or no fear at all. absolutely they should be worried about most of that. Maybe they aren't sexually assault, maybe "just" physically assaulted, robbed, murdered. Each of those situations could go badly for a male. Women absolutely have a higher rate of being a victim of a sexual assault, but that doesn't make them the only victims of crime. You're muddying the waters of this discussion. Now weren't talking about *all* crimes? Girls are taught not to do all these things to stay safe. So boys should be taught to take precautions that will keep them out of situations where they could be falsely accused. Merge provided a great list. Y'all know that I grew up in a super conservative church went to a super conservative school. We had rules about coed interactions. No co-ed physical contact Dates had chaperones. The fathers of male students weren't allowed to be chaperones. Because there had been instances where the fathers had assaulted their son's dates. All men were taught to not be alone with a woman not in their family. Not in cars together, no lunches or dinners alone, no working in the same room alone at work, etc. I know Pence has gotten a lot of crap about his wife being present when he met with other women. Yeah, it's a little extreme if it's true that he was never alone with another woman *ever*. But some of it does make sense. If a married couple wanted to change the rule, that's fine. Carpools, work, etc. Rob has never been in a position where he had to work alone with a female coworker. His companies actually discouraged situations where there could be sexual harassment. When we taught in a youth group, we were very careful that there were no situations where something could happen or that could be misconstrued--no men hugging girls, etc. Many Christian ministries have these rules. It's a good idea since many pastors have had affairs or assaulted girls and women. At the time, some of them seemed too extreme. Especially the chaperons since it also applied to engaged couples. I'm glad now that guys couldn't touch girls at all. There were several in my high school and college that had reputations for being handsy. Girls didn't report because they'd get in trouble, too. The point is that guys should be taught to be as conscientious about their interactions with women as women were with men.
If a guy has never been alone with a drunk or high girl, doesn't have sex with a girl that can't consent, isn't alone with a woman, etc. there are fewer chances that he *could* be accused. I do *not* miss the knee jerk reactions to posts here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 4:51:29 GMT
Men don't even have to interact with a woman to be accused. While the number of men may be small statistically, the higher his profile the greater the chance of an unfounded accusation. Especially if we give credibility to accusations about activities that happened decades in the past.
Fair or not, my daughter did/does have a part to play in her safety by keeping her wits about her. No one is going to say "I raped her" and have her say "No you didn't" My sons on the other hand, only need a woman to know his name to accuse him or even he vaguely look like someone else. He can be a teetotaler and not touch drugs, not be alone with a woman but none of that matters if she says "he raped me" and especially if she says "he raped me 30 years ago" even though she has told no one in those 30 years. No police report, no therapist report with a name... nothing until he became a high profile person that represents an ideology she finds distasteful and suddenly she is wanting to name names and talk in public.
I could accuse each of your husbands for rape and mess his career up if I wanted. Any woman he has ever had any sort of work/social contact can.
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Post by miominmio on Oct 4, 2018 14:44:04 GMT
Wasn't there a Pea who's son was falsely accused of rape? Or am I not recalling correctly? At least that's what she claimed. I don't remember her posting after that, so we don't know what actually happened.
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Post by peano on Oct 4, 2018 14:55:47 GMT
I have a son and I worry about false accusations of sexual assault for him about on the same level as I would any other possible but statistically unlikely scenario.
Let's not be disingenuous. This whole backlash of the Ford/Kavenaugh hearings is the sound of powerful men being called on their shit. It's a collective tantrum in response to women who are fucking tired of it all.
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Post by verdepea on Oct 4, 2018 15:04:18 GMT
I’ve been about to lose it on my Facebook feed this week, seeing a few variations of that sentiment. The amount of women posting this stuff is truly mind blowing. And really sad. Yes, from Christian women. People I know from childhood, I just want to ask how many girls they know who were sexually assaulted or raped vs those falsely accused. I have a friend who was raped in HS who is re-traumatized by all of this. She ended up hiding her pregnancy and giving her daughter up for adoption. Her parents did not get her into counseling and I am encouraging her to go now. She is unable to have a long term relationship. She is contact with her daughter and now has grandbabies. She feels immense guilt because her daughter didn't grow up like she thought she would.
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Post by lindas on Oct 4, 2018 15:27:59 GMT
Wasn't there a Pea who's son was falsely accused of rape? Or am I not recalling correctly? At least that's what she claimed. I don't remember her posting after that, so we don't know what actually happened. I was curious so I went searching. The pea in question went by Zoeybug. It appears she deleted the original post but did come back and update that the charges had been dropped.
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Post by mom on Oct 4, 2018 16:40:02 GMT
At least that's what she claimed. I don't remember her posting after that, so we don't know what actually happened. I was curious so I went searching. The pea in question went by Zoeybug. It appears she deleted the original post but did come back and update that the charges had been dropped. Thank you for finding that. I knew I recalled it but there could not think who it was.
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Post by shevy on Oct 4, 2018 18:36:21 GMT
Joseph Abbitt….convicted rape, witness ID, served 14 years….exonerated with DNA. Warith Abdal….convicted rape, witness ID, served 16 years….exonerated with DNA. Christopher Abernathy….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated with DNA. Darryl Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 15 years….exonerated with DNA. Jarrett Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 7 years….exonerated with DNA. Kenneth Adams….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated with DNA. Gilbert Alejandro…convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated with DNA. Malcolm Alexander….convicted rape, false accusation, served 38 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Alexander….convicted rape, witness ID, served 3 years….exonerated DNA. Albert Algarin….convicted rape, false accusation, served 5 years….exonerated DNA. George Allen….convicted rape, false accusation, served 30 years….exonerated DNA. Daniel Anderson….convicted rape, false accusation, served 33 years….exonerated DNA. Marvin Anderson….convicted rape, witness ID, served 20 years….exonerated DNA. Randolph Arledge….convicted rape, false accusation, served 29 years….exonerated DNA. Ralph Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 6 years….exonerated Herman Atkins….convicted rape, witness ID, served 12 years….exonerated DNA. Kenneth Atkins….convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated Steven Avery….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated DNA. Anselmo Aviles….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated David Ayers….convicted rape, false accusation, served 11 years….exonerated DNA. Randall Ayers….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated. AND that is just the “A’s” from the National Registry of Exonerations. To these people the statistic isn't too small to worry about. This is not just a women's false accusation gone wrong. You realize this, right? This is a whole system participating in it. Yes, the woman is wrong is accusing, if nothing happened. But it then goes through many many catchalls that should be catching these cases so there is no prosecution. The system failed these men, not a woman.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 18:44:07 GMT
... of sexual assault, may I suggest that you give them the same advice we give our daughters to avoid sexual assault: Don't be drunk or high in public places Don't be drunk or high at house parties Always stay with friends - don't go out alone or leave a friend behind (girls go to the bathroom in pairs for a reason) Don't be out late at night where others are drunk or high Don't go home with someone you don't know well Don't be alone with someone you don't know well There are probably more, but it seems to me those would cover many of the recently publicized accusations. Good news is, you probably don't have to bother with advice about what to wear. And your sons are still many times less likely to be accused than my daughters are to be assaulted at some point. A-freaking-men!!!! My blood is boiling this morning. “Mom, what do I do? What do I do?” Don’t assault, rape or harass women and you’ll be just fine. Yeah, tell that to the men and boys who sat in jail for years only to have it discovered that the victim lied. How easy it is for the OP, the mother of girls, to preach to the mother of boys about how easy it is to keep their sons from being falsely accused.
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Post by chlerbie on Oct 4, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
I think we worry about our children, no matter their sex, for various reasons.
One could be falsely accused of anything at anytime and have their reputation/lives ruined or tarnished. While we warn our daughters of ways that they should keep safe, I see nothing wrong with also warning our sons of ways that they should also keep safe. That's basically what the OP was to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 19:55:04 GMT
Joseph Abbitt….convicted rape, witness ID, served 14 years….exonerated with DNA. Warith Abdal….convicted rape, witness ID, served 16 years….exonerated with DNA. Christopher Abernathy….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated with DNA. Darryl Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 15 years….exonerated with DNA. Jarrett Adams….convicted rape, false accusation, served 7 years….exonerated with DNA. Kenneth Adams….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated with DNA. Gilbert Alejandro…convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated with DNA. Malcolm Alexander….convicted rape, false accusation, served 38 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Alexander….convicted rape, witness ID, served 3 years….exonerated DNA. Albert Algarin….convicted rape, false accusation, served 5 years….exonerated DNA. George Allen….convicted rape, false accusation, served 30 years….exonerated DNA. Daniel Anderson….convicted rape, false accusation, served 33 years….exonerated DNA. Marvin Anderson….convicted rape, witness ID, served 20 years….exonerated DNA. Randolph Arledge….convicted rape, false accusation, served 29 years….exonerated DNA. Ralph Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 28 years….exonerated DNA. Richard Armstrong….convicted rape, false accusation, served 6 years….exonerated Herman Atkins….convicted rape, witness ID, served 12 years….exonerated DNA. Kenneth Atkins….convicted rape, false accusation, served 4 years….exonerated Steven Avery….convicted rape, witness ID, served 18 years….exonerated DNA. Anselmo Aviles….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated David Ayers….convicted rape, false accusation, served 11 years….exonerated DNA. Randall Ayers….convicted rape, witness ID, served 8 years….exonerated. AND that is just the “A’s” from the National Registry of Exonerations. To these people the statistic isn't too small to worry about. This is not just a women's false accusation gone wrong. You realize this, right? This is a whole system participating in it. Yes, the woman is wrong is accusing, if nothing happened. But it then goes through many many catchalls that should be catching these cases so there is no prosecution. The system failed these men, not a woman.
I don't know how that’s supposed to be comforting to anyone worried about false accusations or how you think you’re contradicting that a woman falsely accused.
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