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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 30, 2018 16:05:04 GMT
Trump declares he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order: "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't." Renato Mariotti... “False. The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.” That cannot be changed without a Constitutional amendment.” I am in no way a Constitutional Scholar. But I can’t imagine a president, any president, can just start changing parts of the constitution with just an EO. and ANYONE who said the executive orders BARACK OBAMA passed when HE was President were going too far better say THIS is Unconstitutional, too, or they can just STFU about ANYTHING to do with 'fairness' or 'Trump-bashing' because they are first-class HYPOCRITES.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 16:05:50 GMT
This by Scott Stedman..
“I wasn't going to report on this, but I think my fears are coming true. Based on information that I am privy to, I believe false accusations will be spread about Mueller in order to discredit him and possibly the journalists who are preparing this story.”
Prompted this reply from The Atlantic Reporter Natasha Bertrand..
“Can confirm”
So we just need to wait and see. Maybe its noting or maybe someone will make a run at Mueller to try and discredit him.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 30, 2018 16:07:50 GMT
yeah, from what I heard "they" supposedly either have photos of Mueller with women, or have women lined up all ready to accuse him of untoward behavior, in an effort to discredit his investigation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 16:24:00 GMT
Howard Fineman...
“Just checked with sources in #Pittsburgh: the mayor, county executive and governor will NOT accompany or meet with @realdonaldtrump as he and Melania visit the city as families bury their dead after the #TreeofLife massacre. The WH tried to force officials hand with false leaks.”
Evetything this man does is just one be embarrassment.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 30, 2018 17:06:09 GMT
This by Scott Stedman.. “I wasn't going to report on this, but I think my fears are coming true. Based on information that I am privy to, I believe false accusations will be spread about Mueller in order to discredit him and possibly the journalists who are preparing this story.” Prompted this reply from The Atlantic Reporter Natasha Bertrand.. “Can confirm” So we just need to wait and see. Maybe its noting or maybe someone will make a run at Mueller to try and discredit him. Just More of the misinformation campaigns that are afoot now.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 30, 2018 17:13:18 GMT
This by Scott Stedman.. “I wasn't going to report on this, but I think my fears are coming true. Based on information that I am privy to, I believe false accusations will be spread about Mueller in order to discredit him and possibly the journalists who are preparing this story.” Prompted this reply from The Atlantic Reporter Natasha Bertrand.. “Can confirm” So we just need to wait and see. Maybe its noting or maybe someone will make a run at Mueller to try and discredit him. what the ever-loving-hell.... but then again, isn't it the status quo for him and his to believe the accused, not the accuser. I'm so "confused". and angry.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 17:52:51 GMT
Pence: Trump citizenship plan may not conflict with ConstitutionBY MEGAN KELLER - 10/30/18 12:56 PM EDT Vice President Pence said Tuesday that President Trump's plan to sign an executive order aimed at ending the practice of birthright citizenship in the U.S. may not conflict directly with the Constitution. The reported preparations for such an order would set up a new battle at the Supreme Court for Trump over the 14th Amendment, which states that all persons "born or naturalized in the United States" are "citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." "We all cherish the language of the 14th Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has never ruled on whether or not the language of the 14th Amendment subject to the jurisdiction thereof applies specifically to people who are in the country illegally," Pence said during an interview with Politico. "I think the president is looking at executive action," Pence added. "I know that the Congress has looked at legislative action to reconsider that, but our broad objective here is, we need to fix a broken immigration system." more at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/413857-pence-trump-citizenship-plan-may-not-conflict-with-constitutionSo far no one seems to agree with these thoughts... other than Lindsey Graham..... why would we think otherwise from him as of late.
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2018 18:23:03 GMT
This by Scott Stedman.. “I wasn't going to report on this, but I think my fears are coming true. Based on information that I am privy to, I believe false accusations will be spread about Mueller in order to discredit him and possibly the journalists who are preparing this story.” Prompted this reply from The Atlantic Reporter Natasha Bertrand.. “Can confirm” So we just need to wait and see. Maybe its noting or maybe someone will make a run at Mueller to try and discredit him. Looks like Mueller was already out in front of this, according to The Atlantic. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/special-counsel-refers-scheme-targeting-mueller-to-fbi/574411/
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Post by ntsf on Oct 30, 2018 18:30:49 GMT
and his lapdog Senator graham is introducing legislation to stop the 14th amendment.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 30, 2018 18:35:10 GMT
This by Scott Stedman.. “I wasn't going to report on this, but I think my fears are coming true. Based on information that I am privy to, I believe false accusations will be spread about Mueller in order to discredit him and possibly the journalists who are preparing this story.” Prompted this reply from The Atlantic Reporter Natasha Bertrand.. “Can confirm” So we just need to wait and see. Maybe its noting or maybe someone will make a run at Mueller to try and discredit him. Looks like Mueller was already out in front of this, according to The Atlantic. www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/special-counsel-refers-scheme-targeting-mueller-to-fbi/574411/Solicited by someone working for Jack Burman. Of course. Burman is a right-wing lobbyist and conspiracy theorist who believed Seth Rich was murdered by Dems.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 19:16:31 GMT
Another dt swamp dweller..... not been drained yet! Sources: Justice Department investigating Interior Secretary Ryan ZinkeBy Pamela Brown, Evan Perez, Lauren Fox and Gregory Wallace, CNN Updated 2:50 PM ET, Tue October 30, 2018 Washington (CNN)The Justice Department is investigating Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke for possibly using his office for personal gain, following a referral from Interior's inspector general, two sources familiar with the investigation say. The full extent of the inquiry is unclear. Zinke has faced multiple ethics questions during his time at Interior, and the inspector general's office has multiple public inquiries into the secretary including the department's handling of a Connecticut casino project, whether the boundaries for Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument were redrawn to benefit a state lawmaker and conversations between Zinke and Halliburton Chairman David Lesar about a Montana land development project. Zinke said he has not been contacted by the Justice Department. "They haven't talked to me. It will be the same thing as all the other investigations. I follow all rules, procedures, regulations and most importantly the law. This is another politically driven investigation that has no merit," Zinke told CNN. The Justice Department declined to comment. Interior's inspector general's office said it would not comment on Justice-related issues. President Donald Trump's Cabinet secretaries have faced scrutiny over their use of government resources, including former Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price and Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson. CNN has also learned Justice Department investigators began probing Scott Pruitt's questionable ethical conduct before he left as Environmental Protection Agency administrator, according to multiple people familiar with the matter. The inquiry was opened up after a referral from the EPA IG regarding whether Pruitt took any action to benefit an energy lobbyist he rented a condo from for below market rate. www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/politics/zinke-justice-department/index.html
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 19:18:37 GMT
Glad Mueller is on top of things!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 19:21:51 GMT
Howard Fineman...
“Further: @realdonaldtrump WH called the top #PA and #Pittsburgh officials one at a time and lied to each that the others had agreed. WH did the same to #Schumer and #Pelosi. No one bit. WH also trying to push #Trump into hospital rooms of victims but most want no part of him.”
What a mess.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 30, 2018 19:43:08 GMT
Seems that changing or going against the constitution would be going against what his followers have been screaming about lately. I guess that only matters if it’s the first or second amendments we are talking about? Slippery slope.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 30, 2018 19:47:57 GMT
Howard Fineman... “Further: @realdonaldtrump WH called the top #PA and #Pittsburgh officials one at a time and lied to each that the others had agreed. WH did the same to #Schumer and #Pelosi. No one bit. WH also trying to push #Trump into hospital rooms of victims but most want no part of him.” What a mess. I desperately wish he would leave these people alone. Desperately. At this point, he is victimizing victims. It's heartbreaking.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 30, 2018 19:52:56 GMT
Hope the little maggot goes to prison
Oh he is going down!! Lol
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Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2018 20:41:51 GMT
Seems that changing or going against the constitution would be going against what his followers have been screaming about lately. I guess that only matters if it’s the first or second amendments we are talking about? Slippery slope. i guess they are not afraid of that slippery slope.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 20:50:07 GMT
Protest in Pittsburgh........ signs, No Hate No Guns No Trump! Stop Hate and many hand written....... Words incite Violence ....... Seems no one is meeting with him.....
Very peaceful, older, young, black, white, children etc.......
.dt and friends, looks like group with secret service.....well they are going into the Synagogue right now.... dt, Melania, Ivanka, Jared, Mnuchin and a few SS guys...
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Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2018 20:52:21 GMT
My issue with this, how do they intend to prove people born here with birth certificates from here, are not citizens. Who chooses yes or no? I mean will I have to provide my parents documents? My grandparents documents? How far back do they go? At some point, I think there’s a person in everyone’s family tree whose documentation might not stand up. How many citizens will be told they are no longer citizens? You? Me? All of the opposition party? ( And with that you loose your right to vote. ) How much if his ‘it won’t happen to me’ base will have an issue? Talk about slippery slopes who will be responsible for deeming babies born here ‘citizen’ or ‘not citizen’ there are so many ways this can go wrong. What did lucyg say? Oh yeah we are doomed
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Post by thundergal on Oct 30, 2018 21:04:50 GMT
Mueller was way out ahead of this whole scheme, apparently orchestrated by Jacob Wohl and his dad David. And Twitter is a super fun place right now because of it! I am cracking up!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 21:15:59 GMT
Graham to introduce legislation to end birthright citizenshipBY JORDAIN CARNEY - 10/30/18 11:12 AM EDT ** "Finally, a president willing to take on this absurd policy of birthright citizenship. I’ve always supported comprehensive immigration reform — and at the same time — the elimination of birthright citizenship," Graham said in a string of tweets. He added that he plans "to introduce legislation along the same lines as the proposed executive order" from Trump. Congress is out of session until Nov. 13. If Graham is going to propose legislation to amend the Constitution, his bill would need to win over not only two-thirds majorities in Congress, but also be ratified by three-quarters of the states. His announcement comes hours after Trump said in an interview released Tuesday that he will sign an executive order intended to end the practice of birthright citizenship. "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said during an interview with Axios. "You can definitely do it with an act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order," the president added, before stating, incorrectly: "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits." Most countries in the Western Hemisphere, including Mexico and Canada, have some form of birthright citizenship. ** thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/413832-graham-to-introduce-legislation-ending-birthright-citizenship** Trump says he will sign executive order banning birthright citizenshipBY JOHN BOWDEN - 10/30/18 07:25 AM EDT That would set up a new battle for Trump at the Supreme Court over the 14th Amendment, which states that all persons "born or naturalized in the United States" are "citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Trump in the interview with Axios insisted it was possible to make the change through an executive order in addition to an act of Congress. ** thehill.com/homenews/administration/413770-trump-says-he-will-sign-executive-order-banning-birthright
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Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2018 22:20:48 GMT
I am actually semi worried about this. I mean since I have an Obama type birth certificate so I know the POTUS considers that invalid.
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2018 22:27:51 GMT
My issue with this, how do they intend to prove people born here with birth certificates from here, are not citizens. Who chooses yes or no? I mean will I have to provide my parents documents? My grandparents documents? How far back do they go? At some point, I think there’s a person in everyone’s family tree whose documentation might not stand up. How many citizens will be told they are no longer citizens? You? Me? All of the opposition party? ( And with that you loose your right to vote. ) How much if his ‘it won’t happen to me’ base will have an issue? Talk about slippery slopes who will be responsible for deeming babies born here ‘citizen’ or ‘not citizen’ there are so many ways this can go wrong. What did lucyg say? Oh yeah we are doomed There’s plenty to be incensed about here, but let’s not lose focus on the actual problem, which is that the president is trying to unilaterally rewrite the constitution. Even if this change somehow passes the million legal hurdles in front of it, it would likely be applied only from the date of the EO - not retroactively. Like the announcement of a middle class tax cut in the works, the sending of troops to the border and the thing with Mueller, I think this is all part of a scheme to turn out the Trump base for Republican candidates next week.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 30, 2018 22:33:02 GMT
My issue with this, how do they intend to prove people born here with birth certificates from here, are not citizens. Who chooses yes or no? I mean will I have to provide my parents documents? My grandparents documents? How far back do they go? At some point, I think there’s a person in everyone’s family tree whose documentation might not stand up. How many citizens will be told they are no longer citizens? You? Me? All of the opposition party? ( And with that you loose your right to vote. ) How much if his ‘it won’t happen to me’ base will have an issue? Talk about slippery slopes who will be responsible for deeming babies born here ‘citizen’ or ‘not citizen’ there are so many ways this can go wrong. What did lucyg say? Oh yeah we are doomed There’s plenty to be incensed about here, but let’s not lose focus on the actual problem, which is that the president is trying to unilaterally rewrite the constitution. Even if this change somehow passes the million legal hurdles in front of it, it would likely be applied only from the date of the EO - not retroactively. Like the announcement of a middle class tax cut in the works, the sending of troops to the border and the thing with Mueller, I think this is all part of a scheme to turn out the Trump base for Republican candidates next week. This and the ads about how ‘any’ vote for ‘any’ democrat is a vote for anarchy is just making it so I’d almost vote for Monkeys over Republicans.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 30, 2018 22:43:25 GMT
since Trumps ancestors were all entered illegally, and who never became citizens, can we deport him?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 30, 2018 23:02:18 GMT
since Trumps ancestors were all entered illegally, and who never became citizens, can we deport him? and the rest of his group....
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Post by imsirius on Oct 31, 2018 0:05:27 GMT
Protest in Pittsburgh........ signs, No Hate No Guns No Trump! Stop Hate and many hand written....... Words incite Violence ....... Seems no one is meeting with him..... Very peaceful, older, young, black, white, children etc....... .dt and friends, looks like group with secret service.....well they are going into the Synagogue right now.... dt, Melania, Ivanka, Jared, Mnuchin and a few SS guys... They have some fucking nerve. The families DO NOT want him there. Why does he have to create chaos? He is unconscionable!!
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Post by imsirius on Oct 31, 2018 0:07:45 GMT
This is important...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 31, 2018 1:38:19 GMT
Progress? Supreme Court ! Supreme Court turns away GOP challenge to new Pennsylvania electoral mapBY LYDIA WHEELER - 10/29/18 10:42 AM EDT The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear a case brought by Republican officials in Pennsylvania challenging the state Supreme Court’s ability to redraw their congressional redistricting plan. The state court tossed out the 2011 legislatively enacted plan in 2017, finding that it violated the state Constitution by enhancing the Republican Party’s representation in Congress. But in their appeal to the Supreme Court, Pennsylvania officials argued the court exceeded its power in redrawing the maps, which they claimed now favored Democratic voters. The leaders of the Pennsylvania House and Senate, Michael Turzai and Joseph Scarnati, respectively, said under the plain text of the U.S. Constitution the General Assembly’s 2011 plan is the plan that should govern Pennsylvania’s congressional elections as a matter of federal law. “Nevertheless, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court invalidated the 2011 Plan and implemented its own solely on newly created state-law grounds,” they said in court briefs. “But if federal supremacy means anything, it plainly favors legislation founded on federal law over legislation founded solely on state law, not the other way around.” The justices, however, refused to hear their appeal and provided no explanation for their decision.thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/413616-supreme-court-turns-away-gop-challenge-to-new-pennsylvania-electoral
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