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Post by Jockscrap on Sept 26, 2014 16:36:08 GMT
I think I might go over to the husband when you see him about to put his rubbish in your bin. Go over to him then and there and tell him that you are really sorry but they can't do that anymore as the new pricing structure from the garbage company means that it now needs to be strictly church and parsonage garbage only, and as the service is paid for by the church it is very important that you do the right thing over this. Ask him if he'd like you to get a quote from the garbage company for him, then smile sweetly and offer to help him back to his own house with his bag of rubbish.
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 26, 2014 16:37:23 GMT
I know you said you didn't want to address it during a service, but could you turn it into a church issue? We're going to start being charged per extra bag, so we'd appreciate anything that can be done here during gatherings or fundraisers to reduce trash out put. We will be doing the same at the parsonage and would appreciate help in lessening the amount of trash we have as well. And then adding a sign to the cans reminding it is only for church and parsonage trash, any additional bags will be charged.
That way even for fundraisers people might be conscious of all the trash that produces.
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Post by MorningPerson on Sept 26, 2014 16:41:48 GMT
I think one thing that's being overlooked is that the real victim is the trash hauler. He's been doing a service all these years for 2 households, but only one is paying.
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Post by IPeaFreely on Sept 26, 2014 16:58:00 GMT
i think you asked them to not put their garbage on the ground.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Sept 26, 2014 17:11:02 GMT
The garbage company will send a bill with the fees for the extra garbage bags to the church. Let whomever is responsible for overseeing the budget and bill paying deal with the issue.
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Post by Florida Cindy on Sept 26, 2014 17:21:04 GMT
I'd take their garbage back to them and tell them the church cannot afford to pay for their garbage service. I'd also speak to their daughter about the situation.
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Post by willscrapforfood on Sept 26, 2014 17:28:54 GMT
This is a good point, and probably should be addressed in addition to this issue with the neighbor. Thanks!
Excellent point. I didn't think about this, but you are totally right.
Ha! I think you are right. We didn't handle it correctly.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 26, 2014 17:41:49 GMT
You've danced around the issue for years. While they should certainly know better, they've basically had your tacit approval to take their trash. I think you owe them the courtesy of actually going over there and telling them directly that they cannot put their trash in your bin. I think making church announcements or otherwise involving other people without talking to them first and embarrassing them is rude. Obviously they are in the wrong and should never had started the practice. But don't escalate the drama by dragging a bunch of other people into the situation when you haven't ever actually asked them to stop.
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Post by willscrapforfood on Sept 26, 2014 17:52:32 GMT
The whole reason we've "danced" around the issue for years is because we didn't want to embarrass them, or make them feel like we were judging them. I have said that I didn't want to handle it passive-aggressively or embarrass them, but by not handling it, we didn't do the right thing either. We didn't know how to handle it tactfully since they were obviously in the wrong, hence it has gone on for so long. I don't like the idea of announcing it in church and we will not do so, but I do agree that we need to bring up the other issue of extra trash after fundraisers. Drama is THE last thing I would ever want.
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Post by stingfan on Sept 26, 2014 18:02:57 GMT
Put the 'church only' sign on the can. I also don't see how keeping the can in the garage is passive aggressive. Seems like a normal place for them.
Can you tell the garbage company that if there are any bags on the ground by the can, they don't belong to you, so don't pick them up? Or are there occasions where it won't all fit in one can?
I'm just thinking that you take their bags out, leave them on the ground by the can, they don't get picked up, then they get returned to the neighbor with a note that the can is for 'church only' like the sign said.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 26, 2014 19:04:19 GMT
You have to be clear. Telling them that it all has to fit in one can is not the same as telling them they can no longer use your garbage service. Just tell them - "I am sorry that I wasn't clear earlier, but you can no longer use the garbage cans for your trash." They think it is theirs to use, since they are members of your church. It's going to suck, but the best way to say it is politely and HONESTLY. Don't offer any other excuses - just tell them they can't put their trash there anymore. End of story. This exactly 
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Post by stampbooker on Sept 26, 2014 19:20:03 GMT
My husband's take was that it was kind of dishonest and a bit rude, but not really our place to hold other people accountable. We don't like to judge other people on their moral choices. The whole point of church in the first place is to hold one another accountable and to help each other grow to be more like Christ. I find it a little shocking that you both think you shouldn't hold others accountable or make judgments about their moral choices. That's your job! We are all supposed to be helping one another do the right thing. As followers of Christ we are supposed to point one another in the right direction. "Judging" is a loaded word these days, but in order to help others do what is right we need to be able to point out what is wrong. It is your husband's job to help people learn what is right and do what is right. Scripture says "encourage one another daily so that you do not become hardened by sin". If you honestly thought this was a moral issue, yet you as allowed it to go on then you participated in the immorality of it. First of all, you are probably making this more difficult than it needs to be. This could be an honest misunderstanding that could be cleared up with some direct conversation. It doesn't have to be a "confrontation". Just go over and nicely tell them the truth, that they can not continue to put their trash in with the parsonage or the church trash. It's not a big deal. Julie
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Post by gritzi on Sept 26, 2014 19:31:06 GMT
You are going to have to be more direct.
I honestly don't understand why anyone attending that church would assume garbage pickup is a perk just because they're members?! We attend church, too, but I wouldn't dream of dumping our garbage in their dumpsters, using their kitchen for my personal cooking, using the restroom facilities for our daily shower.
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 26, 2014 19:37:00 GMT
Maybe you should bring up how the church wishes to handle this garbage situation with the council. If you personally are not paying the bill then the council can decide if your neighbor can continue to put his garbage in with yours and the churches. Maybe he's had this arrangement since before you came there.
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Post by MorningPerson on Sept 26, 2014 20:04:16 GMT
Maybe you should bring up how the church wishes to handle this garbage situation with the council. If you personally are not paying the bill then the council can decide if your neighbor can continue to put his garbage in with yours and the churches. Maybe he's had this arrangement since before you came there. Totally not singling you out georgiapea, because a lot of replies have suggested this and similar solutions, but again I have to say, how is this fair to the trash hauler who is servicing two households but only getting paid for one? Now if the trash hauler is aware of this and ok with it, then I take it all back. But I don't see that being the case.
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Post by slicksister on Sept 26, 2014 20:07:00 GMT
I'm going to be the lone dissenter here I think. To preface my comments I'm going to say that I am a pastor's daughter and my husband and i have been involved in full time ministry for 35 years. I, too, live in a home provided for by the ministry where we work and live. I completely understand where you are coming from. COMPLETELY! I really feel you could bless this family by just paying for the extra bag! I mean how much can it be? You are already tithing I assume so use a portion of that tithe to pay for the bag. You will be paying back "evil" with good. How is that a bad thing? I TOTALLY get that people in your position - and mine- make FAR less that most other people in our circle of friends. I have never had to pay for utilities, garbage pick up or rent BUT I have never gotten to choose where we live, the condition of the house or yard, am on call 24/7, always lived out in the country on dirt roads which are hard on our vehicles and dealt with the myriad of other issues that come with the job.
So what if they sit back smugly and think they've "put one over on you"? You will have taken the higher road. Do this for them and others will do for you. That's what Paying it Forward looks like. They may have issues financial or otherwise that you have no idea about and this small blessing could really impact their lives. Find out from the garbage company what it costs and write a designated check to the church for that amount. I think this is one of those, "If a man asks for your shirt give him your coat as well" situations.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Sept 26, 2014 20:47:31 GMT
You are being way too nice. Tell them one more time, bluntly. If they persist, take their garbage and leave it on their front porch.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Sept 26, 2014 20:53:12 GMT
I would find out from the garbage company how much 1 extra bag costs and then I would tell the neighbor that it will cost this much money if they want to keep putting their garbage into your can.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 26, 2014 22:16:09 GMT
I We've been here 11 years, during which time the church has always paid for a local garbage company to come and pick-up our garbage and the church's garbage. I will be honest. If I was part of that congregation I wouldn't be crazy that the church pays for you to have your garbage picked up and no other church member. Perhaps those rare weeks of potlucks you can take your personal garbage to the dump and give this couple the blessing of using the church garbage bin his givings/tithes help pay for?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 22:31:13 GMT
I would approach it directly but from a standpoint that things have CHANGED, not that they did something wrong all along.
"Jim and Betty, as you've probably noticed, (the church has increased in membership lately/the church has been having more activities lately/whatever thing you can point to that sounds legit), and as a result, the amount of trash that we have has increased significantly. For that reason, the trash company recently changed our trash can and is going to strictly enforce their rules on how much trash they will pick up for the contracted amount. Since we don't want to incur extra expenses for the church, we have to ask that from here on out, the trash container can only be used for church trash. But here's the number to the trash company and I'm sure that they will be able to work with you for any trash pick up that you might have."
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 26, 2014 22:37:47 GMT
I We've been here 11 years, during which time the church has always paid for a local garbage company to come and pick-up our garbage and the church's garbage. I will be honest. If I was part of that congregation I wouldn't be crazy that the church pays for you to have your garbage picked up and no other church member. Perhaps those rare weeks of potlucks you can take your personal garbage to the dump and give this couple the blessing of using the church garbage bin his givings/tithes help pay for? They live in the church parsonage...of course the church pays for it Use the good steward explanation. "Neighbor I'm sorry I wasn't clear last time we spoke. We will now be charged for extra trash. We need you to stop adding your trash to the can as it causes overages resulting in an additional charge. We must be good stewards with the church's funds and can't have the overages on the bill."
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 27, 2014 0:48:23 GMT
IMHO you & your husband have knowingly enabled them - recently giving advice (i.e. no bags on the ground) - to steal from the garbage service for "3-4 years." Since the church pays for the garbage pick-up, I suggest both storing the bin & having it picked up at the church instead of the parsonage. Perhaps the realization they are mooching off the church/not you personally, inconvenience, &/or increased risk of being seen carrying their trash across the street will deter their efforts. Otherwise, the bin will be off parsonage property & the responsibility of the church to monitor, so you & your husband won't be conflicted about doing the right thing for fear of being seen as "judging other people on their moral choices." Hopefully no one else will also take the liberty to mooch off the church's resources! Good luck...
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 27, 2014 1:42:55 GMT
That's ok, Morning Person. Not my circus, not my monkeys. And I seriously do feel the neighbor is dishonest. Plus I feel a minister should be holding members of their congretation accountable for their actions. But those are my personal feelings. In the Pea's life however it seems the issues are different and an easy out for this would be to turn it over to the church council.
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Post by annabella on Sept 27, 2014 6:31:18 GMT
I can't believe I agree with slicksister but I do. I'm shocked that this has been going on for TWO YEARS! I'm sorry but you're past the point of being able to ask them to pay. Perhaps they had a deal with the last pastor to do this.
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Post by Country Ham on Sept 27, 2014 20:30:37 GMT
I will be honest. If I was part of that congregation I wouldn't be crazy that the church pays for you to have your garbage picked up and no other church member. Perhaps those rare weeks of potlucks you can take your personal garbage to the dump and give this couple the blessing of using the church garbage bin his givings/tithes help pay for? They live in the church parsonage...of course the church pays for it Use the good steward explanation. "Neighbor I'm sorry I wasn't clear last time we spoke. We will now be charged for extra trash. We need you to stop adding your trash to the can as it causes overages resulting in an additional charge. We must be good stewards with the church's funds and can't have the overages on the bill." What do you mean "of course the church pays for it". I am married to a pastor and it's not always the case where the church pays everything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 21:16:14 GMT
They live in the church parsonage...of course the church pays for it Use the good steward explanation. "Neighbor I'm sorry I wasn't clear last time we spoke. We will now be charged for extra trash. We need you to stop adding your trash to the can as it causes overages resulting in an additional charge. We must be good stewards with the church's funds and can't have the overages on the bill." What do you mean "of course the church pays for it". I am married to a pastor and it's not always the case where the church pays everything. I'm sure it's part of the compensation package. Even so, whether the church pays for the parsonage trash or the pastor pays for it out of his pocket, the neighbor shouldn't assume that they can just use it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 21:41:10 GMT
I have only read the first 2 pages but I have a different answer than most: I have been a pastor's wife and I know what kind of fall out can come from this kind of situation. I would just pay the extra fee and say nothing else. better than your dh getting fired after a big church fight over this.
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Post by deputydog on Sept 27, 2014 22:01:10 GMT
I agree with Volt-- let the session or church council or whatever governing body your church has deal with it. After all, they are the ones paying the bill. That said, I also agree with MorningPerson that the trash hauler has been doing work that he hasn't been properly compensated for and that's wrong.
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Post by tarheelgurl on Sept 28, 2014 0:52:15 GMT
Do you have a garage? If so, leave the can in the garage and tell the cleaning lady where it is and why but don't mention names (I know you wouldn't) . If the neighbors don't see the can they can't add their trash. If your trash is picked up at the same time every week be on the lookout and take it out just before they get there.
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Post by simplylovely on Sept 28, 2014 1:15:01 GMT
If you let the church board handle it then you'll be confessing them that for 3-4 years you've been misusing the church's funds and cheating the garbage collector out of money. I'm not saying you are to blame per se, but I think you need to handle it on your own. Just tell them that you've been allowing them to do this but you can't anymore because it is affecting the church budget. But be very clear. Tell them their garbage doesn't fit so they can't use it anymore. Like a PP said what are they going to do? Complain they can no longer use a service that wasn't theirs to use to begin with?
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