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Post by freecharlie on Jan 5, 2019 18:49:46 GMT
Changed my mind. She should apologize. She should say: I am sorry Trump is such a motherfucker. I got kicked out of my home ect class in junior high for doing something similar
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Post by suzastampin on Jan 5, 2019 18:57:17 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 5, 2019 18:57:53 GMT
I'm torn as to whether or not she should apologize.
One side of me says, "Oh, HELL NO, she doesn't need to apologize!" After all, look at the crap that has spewed from the president's mouth and fingers over the past two or so years. This side of me wants to say, "Yeah, she can apologize when HE does."
But, the other side of me says yes, she should take the high road and apologize. This side of me is the real side of me, that has always tried to live by the motto of not stooping to the level that others do.
Again, I am torn. However, I am leaning to the side of she should take the high road and apologize.
I totally get what you're saying it's like the when they go low we go high but honestly sometimes I wonder if that's the problem with the democrats they never get in the mud with them! I agree in theory. Unfortunately I think we would have to live in the mud and that isn't where we want to live.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 5, 2019 19:02:02 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office. It wasn't said in public.
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Post by suzastampin on Jan 5, 2019 19:04:57 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office. It wasn't said in public. It was said in public as there were people around and somebody shot the video.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 5, 2019 19:18:21 GMT
It wasn't said in public. It was said in public as there were people around and somebody shot the video. It was said at a private celebration, and yes, someone recorded it with a phone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 19:23:20 GMT
Paul Kane..
”Folks, Tlaib’s MF’er bomb wasn’t controversial. That’s just salty language. It was her implicit guarantee of impeachment that angered Pelosi, other Dems. They’re waiting for Mueller. Perfectly captured by @eliseviebeck @mikedebonis”
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Post by trollie on Jan 5, 2019 19:26:01 GMT
Changed my mind. She should apologize. She should say: I am sorry Trump is such a motherfucker. I got kicked out of my home ect class in junior high for doing something similar Yep. I too got in trouble (at home) for doing something like this.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 5, 2019 20:19:56 GMT
Women in general should stop apologizing. Take responsibility and own it, yes. Apologize, no.
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Post by chances on Jan 5, 2019 20:52:29 GMT
I'm torn as to whether or not she should apologize.
One side of me says, "Oh, HELL NO, she doesn't need to apologize!" After all, look at the crap that has spewed from the president's mouth and fingers over the past two or so years. This side of me wants to say, "Yeah, she can apologize when HE does."
But, the other side of me says yes, she should take the high road and apologize. This side of me is the real side of me, that has always tried to live by the motto of not stooping to the level that others do.
Again, I am torn. However, I am leaning to the side of she should take the high road and apologize.
I'm curious what she should apologize for. There are a few things getting combined in this thread? For cursing? Talking about impeachment? Cursing in front of children?
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 5, 2019 21:22:14 GMT
As far as what she said, she was very clear throughout her campaign that she was gunning for impeachment. She is being completely in line with what she promised during her election. As far as the salty language, it was not a public event -- if she had been giving a speech on the House floor or at a rally, it would have been inappropriate. I have absolutely not problem with her using that language in that situation. I see NO reason for an apology. The republicans calling for one are being sexist and hypocritical. They should apologize.
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Post by likescarrots on Jan 5, 2019 21:25:56 GMT
I totally get what you're saying it's like the when they go low we go high but honestly sometimes I wonder if that's the problem with the democrats they never get in the mud with them! I agree in theory. Unfortunately I think we would have to live in the mud and that isn't where we want to live. we're all already in the mud. We're just standing around in it while the Trump regime scoops it up and hurls it at us.
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Post by sabrinae on Jan 5, 2019 21:51:37 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office. I don’t know why you think male Congress members haven’t used similar language. But it’s simply not true.
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Post by kernriver on Jan 5, 2019 22:19:29 GMT
I thought it was a low class thing to do. As an ardant Trump hater I cringed when I read this. Let’s not sink to name calling like you-know-who.
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Post by jcm28 on Jan 5, 2019 22:20:14 GMT
No, if she meant it then stand by it. And, just for the record, I am a Republican but not a a Trump supporter. I think we are on the road to impeachment.
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Post by lindas on Jan 5, 2019 22:51:33 GMT
What rally would that be because a google search brings up absolutely nothing about Trump ever using that word in public. Well, I don't know what the hell you're Googling. You got a Fox filter on or something? time.com/4978212/donald-trump-cursing-swear-words/Seriously. Willfully ignorant. I asked a simple question of the OP, I did not infer in any way that he never used the word. You could have just posted the link (even though it was from 2011) but instead you found it necessary to be a total bitch about it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 5, 2019 23:14:36 GMT
I asked a simple question of the OP, I did not infer in any way that he never used the word. You could have just posted the link (even though it was from 2011) but instead you found it necessary to be a total bitch about it. Such language! Uh, you absolutely inferred there was no evidence he'd used the word, but go off. I'm glad there's a moratorium on saying curse words, and that 2011 is far too distant for it to "count." Does yesterday work? splinternews.com/trump-calls-the-shutdown-a-strike-in-a-profanity-lace-1831514445
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 5, 2019 23:29:10 GMT
My personal code is very simple - I'll never let someone else's desire to wallow in the gutter be an excuse to join them. Apologize, don't apologize, doesn't make a bit of difference to me. I'll never let Trump's crass behavior be a justification for anything as that simply gives him more power than I choose to give him.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 5, 2019 23:51:00 GMT
I don’t think that her outburst was wise, even though I would love to see him impeached. First of all and most importantly from a realpolitik standpoint, the Senate as it is now would never vote to convict Trump in the near future(without pretty damning evidence), so it was an empty threat. I remember the House managers during Clinton’s impeachment process, and that did not age well. Secondly, Democrats need to be seen as grownups and this wasn’t that. So the smart thing is to apologize and act only when the evidence shows irrefutably that he should be removed. Then go for it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 1:13:17 GMT
I think too much news space has been taken up by the use of the word motherfucker. It is and has been ALL OVER TWITTER for the last 2 years, she is far from the first who has said that of the president.
Why is it ALWAYS the women who get suppressed and shut down?
Remember Elizabeth Warren being chastised and her speaking privilege being taken away in the Senate for her comments that were void of cursing? (Yet the congressMAN who stood up and called President Obama a liar—nada?)
It’s ALWAYS the woman who are “supposed to be better than that”, yet the old (White) boys club can do and say as they please and brush it off as locker room talk.
In this instance, if they want civility and nicely-nice, then they can start to lead by example, starting with the motherfucker.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 1:13:58 GMT
Do you think there would be a call for an apology if a male Congressperson had said it? Never.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 1:15:55 GMT
Do you think there would be a call for an apology if a male Congressperson had said it? I believe there would. Funny shit right there!!!
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Post by pjaye on Jan 6, 2019 1:39:02 GMT
Nope, no apology. In my opinion it does matter which specific person was being talked about. Trump is so insulting about others on an almost daily basis, that he deserves to be spoken about in equal terms. His tweets are full of calling people dogs and losers and stupid (in various different ways) so I have no problem with anyone using any sort of insult in return. Where's his wife's "Be best" campaign when they are at home?
If Trump is going to dish it out to other politicians the media etc then they have the right to fire back with derogatory terms too.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 6, 2019 1:44:07 GMT
Personally, I don’t give a toss about her use of the word motherfucker. Women swear; I certainly do. I’m sure that I’ve called Trump a motherfucker and worse. I mean, Dick Cheney told Pat Leahy to go fuck himself.
I dislike the use of the word impeach. That is a dangerous word and should be used carefully.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 2:24:52 GMT
One of my family members was decrying the crassness of the Democratic party. Clutching pearls because Tlaib dared to be sworn in on the Koran instead of the bible. I think that has a lot to do with the anger toward her. The faux rage from the right about Ocasio's dancing and Tlaib's f-bomb is positively hilarious. When Trump is crass, he's a renegade who is upending the political process. When a Democrat - particularly a Democrat with ovaries - is crass, it's a sign of the apocalypse. Yep...the motherfucker is just “tellin’ it like it is...”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 2:26:28 GMT
I'm torn as to whether or not she should apologize.
One side of me says, "Oh, HELL NO, she doesn't need to apologize!" After all, look at the crap that has spewed from the president's mouth and fingers over the past two or so years. This side of me wants to say, "Yeah, she can apologize when HE does."
But, the other side of me says yes, she should take the high road and apologize. This side of me is the real side of me, that has always tried to live by the motto of not stooping to the level that others do.
Again, I am torn. However, I am leaning to the side of she should take the high road and apologize.
So he can gloat that he "won?" Nah. When you're dealing with a bully, you don't back down. If she apologized, he'd take credit for it. Trust. Or start calling her “weak”.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 2:27:44 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office. Wait...what the what? Never heard a male congressmen speak that way? 1. Republican Joe Wilson called President Obama a liar IN A JOINT SESSION IN CONGRESS. 2. Senator Durban confirmed trumps racist rants in a meeting (the shit hole country meeting). 3. Do you know who congressman Steve King is? Look up that asshole senators rants and comments towards human beings. 4. Republican Rep. Doug Lamborn called President Obama s “tar baby” in a meeting where debt ceilings were being discussed.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 6, 2019 2:31:18 GMT
Apologize about the impeachment part, not calling him a "motherfucker".
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 3:00:05 GMT
Nope, no apology. In my opinion it does matter which specific person was being talked about. Trump is so insulting about others on an almost daily basis, that he deserves to be spoken about in equal terms. His tweets are full of calling people dogs and losers and stupid (in various different ways) so I have no problem with anyone using any sort of insult in return. Where's his wife's "Be best" campaign when they are at home? If Trump is going to dish it out to other politicians the media etc then they have the right to fire back with derogatory terms too. Yep. Even Sarah huckabee says when you punch at trump, he hits back harder. Why shouldn’t that apply to anyone else?
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Post by pjaye on Jan 6, 2019 3:20:24 GMT
Even Sarah huckabee says when you punch at trump, he hits back harder. Exactly, he's the one who has ushered in these new, downgraded rules of acceptable ways of speaking to and about other people. If anyone should be apologising it's Trump for lowering everyone's standards. If people don't like the way others are responding to him in kind...then they need to be demanding that the president sets a higher standard first. I hope all those people who voted for him are enjoying the daily insults, swearing, slander, name calling etc that their guy has actively encouraged. In the mean time I don't blame those in opposition to him firing back in equal measure, it's all he understands. If they don't respond at all or respond politely he's probably thinking how weak they are and how he's "winning"
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