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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 4:04:41 GMT
Even Sarah huckabee says when you punch at trump, he hits back harder. Exactly, he's the one who has ushered in these new, downgraded rules of acceptable ways of speaking to and about other people. If anyone should be apologising it's Trump for lowering everyone's standards. If people don't like the way others are responding to him in kind...then they need to be demanding that the president sets a higher standard first. I hope all those people who voted for him are enjoying the daily insults, swearing, slander, name calling etc that their guy has actively encouraged. In the mean time I don't blame those in opposition to him firing back in equal measure, it's all he understands. If they don't respond at all or respond politely he's probably thinking how weak they are and how he's "winning" Yes and hell yes! |
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Post by suzastampin on Jan 6, 2019 4:05:15 GMT
Yes, for two reasons. One, she shouldn’t be throwing around the impeach word on the first day of her first term. The Dems have been very careful about saying it until they know what Mueller has. Second, we’ve never heard a male congressman speak that way in public. I don’t believe it dishonors the office of the president as Trump said (he’s already done that), but it did dishonor her office. Wait...what the what?  Never heard a male congressmen speak that way? 1. Republican Joe Wilson called President Obama a liar IN A JOINT SESSION IN CONGRESS. 2. Senator Durban confirmed trumps racist rants in a meeting (the shit hole country meeting). 3. Do you know who congressman Steve King is? Look up that asshole senators rants and comments towards human beings. 4. Republican Rep. Doug Lamborn called President Obama s “tar baby” in a meeting where debt ceilings were being discussed. Maybe it's because that word was not something I grew up hearing, and I can say I've probably only heard it a time or two other than on this board, 😊 I find it offensive and not in the same realm as "liar" or "shithole". Calling President Obama a "tar baby" is disgusting and would fall in line with the crap that comes out of Trump's mouth. Whether said in public or in front of her supporters, I just find it offensive, plus it gives the Republicans something to latch on to. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 4:55:00 GMT
Wait...what the what? Never heard a male congressmen speak that way? 1. Republican Joe Wilson called President Obama a liar IN A JOINT SESSION IN CONGRESS. 2. Senator Durban confirmed trumps racist rants in a meeting (the shit hole country meeting). 3. Do you know who congressman Steve King is? Look up that asshole senators rants and comments towards human beings. 4. Republican Rep. Doug Lamborn called President Obama s “tar baby” in a meeting where debt ceilings were being discussed. Maybe it's because that word was not something I grew up hearing, and I can say I've probably only heard it a time or two other than on this board, 😊 I find it offensive and not in the same realm as "liar" or "shithole". Calling President Obama a "tar baby" is disgusting and would fall in line with the crap that comes out of Trump's mouth. Whether said in public or in front of her supporters, I just find it offensive, plus it gives the Republicans something to latch on to. I gave several examples of Congress men speaking in a derogatory way. Trump himself used m-fucker in a speech regarding the China tariffs. So yes, we have Congress men speaking that way and it seems to be okay for them to do it with no backlash. |
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Post by crittsmom on Jan 6, 2019 5:49:02 GMT
She should apologize.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jan 6, 2019 6:33:28 GMT
No.
No apology needed.
However, for me personally, I may have said something about how I want to review all evidence and arguments before officially voting to impeach a standing president.
Some of that may come from having served in the Army and treating a senior officer with respect.
I may have disliked a general or felt someone should be impeached, but I don’t know how comfortable I’d be vocalizing that. They would still get a sir, yes sir or a ma’am, yes ma’am until I was asked for my opinion on if there was evidence for anything.
In a private party celebration, I may have wanted to say “impeach the MF” but in a crowd as a representative in that role, I may have been less straightforward and aggressive.
I would feel the same for any junior representative regardless of gender.
On the first day on the job, don’t call out the strategy and don’t directly insult the boss.
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Post by suzastampin on Jan 6, 2019 12:15:25 GMT
Maybe it's because that word was not something I grew up hearing, and I can say I've probably only heard it a time or two other than on this board, 😊 I find it offensive and not in the same realm as "liar" or "shithole". Calling President Obama a "tar baby" is disgusting and would fall in line with the crap that comes out of Trump's mouth. Whether said in public or in front of her supporters, I just find it offensive, plus it gives the Republicans something to latch on to. I gave several examples of Congress men speaking in a derogatory way. Trump himself used m-fucker in a speech regarding the China tariffs. So yes, we have Congress men speaking that way and it seems to be okay for them to do it with no backlash. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. Just because the idiot in the White House said it doesn't mean someone else needs to get in the gutter with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:56:31 GMT
I gave several examples of Congress men speaking in a derogatory way. Trump himself used m-fucker in a speech regarding the China tariffs. So yes, we have Congress men speaking that way and it seems to be okay for them to do it with no backlash. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. Just because the idiot in the White House said it doesn't mean someone else needs to get in the gutter with him. Let’s be honest here. In order for her or anybody else for that matter to be in the gutter with trump they would have to climb down a latter as high as the Grand Canyon just to get to a level close to him. Saying that one word doesn’t begin to put her close to being in the gutter with him when you consider all he has said and done. IMO trump is in a class all his own and folks need to remember that before trying to compare the actions and words of anyone else to those of trump. The word that Democrats are upset about is “impeach” and that is the word the Republicans can and will use against the Democrats. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 6, 2019 13:03:03 GMT
Another pea friend mentioned elsewhere that how come there hasn't been this much angst and hand wringing about Steve King going full on white supremacist and whether or not he should apologize.
Although I personally don't love that she did this, there does seem to be a general expectation of "oh, bigoted/crass/sexist old white boys will be bigoted/crass/sexist old white boys" for Republicans and a national case of the vapors when a Democratic woman used a foul word. I was right up there in the group publicly wishing she hadn't said this until Joe Manchin took it upon himself to apologize to the whole world about it. How about no? How about he apologize to the whole world for our new Supreme Court justice losing his mind from temper and insulting all Democrats and blaming Hillary Clinton during his confirmation hearing?
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Post by Really Red on Jan 6, 2019 13:08:37 GMT
I think it's clear she did it for shock value. She wants to shake things up. I sure hope she can. I am disappointed the focus is on the language instead of the problem. That is why I don't like it. She did something for effect and the only effect I see is that she is in the limelight.
The word she used was a very strong one. I curse freely and do not use that or the C word as I just feel they are super disrespectful to a specific gender. I have a very hard time believing that if a man in government used it people wouldn't be outraged as well. Sometimes outrage gets us nowhere (grabbing the pussy, for example), but it was still there.
ETA: I do not think she should (or will) apologize. I love the answer "When Trump stops being a MF, then I will stop calling him one" response, even though I really do wish she had never said it because it detracts from the problem and focuses on her.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 6, 2019 15:20:41 GMT
I just want to put it out there that there will always be a distraction away from the problem when it comes to Trump. It's what he does, and the GOP helps him. There is literally NOTHING that Dems can do without him putting a messed up spin on it. The shutdown is now supposedly a "strike" according to him.
So I think we, the media, Dems need to let that go and then laser focus back on him. Him.
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Post by Kath on Jan 6, 2019 15:42:42 GMT
Using that language hardens the hearts of people. If it’s war and we’re going to run around yelling m•••f****er at each other, then get the weapons and let’s all get violent. Blood in the streets, rah, rah.
She speaks the language of war, not civil discussion. I don’t like it. Turns me off.
Should she apologize? No. To stand down now after bringing out the big guns looks weak. The only direction now is to move forward and play big.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 6, 2019 16:05:45 GMT
Using that language hardens the hearts of people. If it’s war and we’re going to run around yelling m•••f****er at each other, then get the weapons and let’s all get violent. Blood in the streets, rah, rah. She speaks the language of war, not civil discussion. This is the most bizarre thing I’ve ever heard. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 6, 2019 16:12:28 GMT
There is a meme I've seen a few times:
Don't worry Republicans, "motherfucker" is just lady locker-room talk.
Lol perfect response. I think she should apologize when he apologizes for his vile pussy grabbing comments... ain't gonna happen
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Post by inkedup on Jan 6, 2019 16:52:38 GMT
Using that language hardens the hearts of people. If it’s war and we’re going to run around yelling m•••f****er at each other, then get the weapons and let’s all get violent. Blood in the streets, rah, rah. She speaks the language of war, not civil discussion. I don’t like it. Turns me off. Should she apologize? No. To stand down now after bringing out the big guns looks weak. The only direction now is to move forward and play big. If a newly elected congresswoman using the word "motherfucker" is an act of war, what would you consider Trump's vulgarity and violent language? |
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Post by Kath on Jan 6, 2019 17:02:02 GMT
It’s not an act of war, it’s the language of war, of fighting with words vulgarly. It’s harsh and it gets people riled up. It makes the other side angry. It makes it look like there’s no compromise, no discussion. Once you’ve gotten to the point of m***f***, the situation has already escalated to extremes and she just got there. It’s over the top for a newbie.
Same for Trump. He calls them m****f**** and they call him****f****, then what, where do you from there?
The hope with electing the Democrats back to power in Congress is that someone would be the adult there.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 6, 2019 17:17:40 GMT
I gave several examples of Congress men speaking in a derogatory way. Trump himself used m-fucker in a speech regarding the China tariffs. So yes, we have Congress men speaking that way and it seems to be okay for them to do it with no backlash. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. Just because the idiot in the White House said it doesn't mean someone else needs to get in the gutter with him. That’s not what I even was posting, and I stated such. You claimed/stated that “we’ve never heard congressmen speak that way” and that statement is just simply not true. I provided examples (and there are plenty more nasty, mean, disparaging, and awful comments made by congressMEN) in which they were NOT demanded to apologize and it was brushed off as “locker room talk” or that it was no big deal. So, yes, contrary to your claim, we HAVE heard congressmen speak that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 17:19:07 GMT
I just want to put it out there that there will always be a distraction away from the problem when it comes to Trump. It's what he does, and the GOP helps him. There is literally NOTHING that Dems can do without him putting a messed up spin on it. The shutdown is now supposedly a "strike" according to him. So I think we, the media, Dems need to let that go and then laser focus back on him. Him. Isn't it strange that he has a different meaning to the word strike than any other English speaking person. To me as well as millions of others I would guess a strike means noun
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a refusal to work organized by a body of employees as a form of protest, typically in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions from their employer.Holding his own government to ransom in an attempt to force them to do something by using threats is more akin to blackmail in my language which also happens to be the same as his. He needs to grow up and stop acting like a toddler, stamping his feet because his mother has told him to eat his vegetables. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 17:22:33 GMT
There is a meme I've seen a few times: Don't worry Republicans, "motherfucker" is just lady locker-room talk. Lol perfect response. I think she should apologize when he apologizes for his vile pussy grabbing comments... ain't gonna happen Or when he stops calling people " son of a bitch" which surely is equally as derogatory as motherf***** |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 6, 2019 19:58:13 GMT
CNN showed clips of his word usage this morning including the exact MF........er at a rally with children present I believe! ** Schiff: Trump cannot criticize language after turning my name into a profanityBY ALICIA COHN - 01/06/19 10:26 AM EST Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Sunday that President Trump "is not in a position to talk about language" because "no one has done more to debase the political sphere than Donald Trump." "I'm in a unique position to say this," Schiff noted, "considering the president turned my name into a profanity." Trump in a November tweet labeled Schiff as "little Adam Schitt."** Trump's chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, also on CNN's Sunday show, defended Trump's use of "coarse" language, saying it did not mean he is "coarsening" public discourse overall. ** thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/424054-schiff-trump-cannot-criticize-language-after-turning-my-name-into |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 6, 2019 20:05:10 GMT
It was said in public as there were people around and somebody shot the video. It was not said in public! dt has said it and CNN showed it today! |
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