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Post by librarylady on Jan 15, 2019 14:29:47 GMT
Apparently no one in the USA is skilled enough to do the surgery. (eye roll)
I am sure Canada is thrilled that he is coming without paying into the system. I hope he is billed for the surgery and all costs associated with it.
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Post by ashley on Jan 15, 2019 14:37:00 GMT
Why is it hard to believe Canada may have medical experts?
And yes, he will be billed and pay for the medical treatment he is seeking here. It is annoyingly ironic that he criticizes universal health care but is willing to pay into that system when it suits him.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 15, 2019 14:43:04 GMT
So much irony. FTR, universal healthcare in Canada doesn't extend to visitors.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 15, 2019 14:57:07 GMT
The article clearly states they accept out of Canada patients who pay their own fees. Why would anyone object to a man who was severely injured receiving care from a premier hernia repair facility?
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Post by hippypea on Jan 15, 2019 14:57:08 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 15, 2019 15:18:12 GMT
irony bypass surgery- hahaha!!! funny article and site. "in some cases a complete recovery of the individual’s ability to realize they are an ass is achieved."
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Post by bunnyhug on Jan 15, 2019 15:26:54 GMT
I believe the hospital he's using is a private one, so anyone who has the money can pay and receive care there . . . still not sure why we allow that, but that's a political discussion for another day and place . . .
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Post by librarylady on Jan 15, 2019 15:50:16 GMT
Why is it hard to believe Canada may have medical experts? And yes, he will be billed and pay for the medical treatment he is seeking here. It is annoyingly ironic that he criticizes universal health care but is willing to pay into that system when it suits him. You misunderstood my comment. I do know Canada has experts....but, my point was that the USA has medical experts also. No reason for Rand Paul to go insert himself into a system he has disparaged in the past.
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Post by likescarrots on Jan 15, 2019 15:54:40 GMT
The article clearly states they accept out of Canada patients who pay their own fees. Why would anyone object to a man who was severely injured receiving care from a premier hernia repair facility? because he literally earns his living denigrating the very system that he is now going to benefit from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 15:56:41 GMT
The article clearly states they accept out of Canada patients who pay their own fees. Why would anyone object to a man who was severely injured receiving care from a premier hernia repair facility? Surely there are expert hernia surgeons in the US. I guess it's money, it is cheaper for him to have it done in Canada, like a lot of other Americans. Carried out by the same surgeons that probably provide Canada's universal health care. LINK
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Post by librarylady on Jan 15, 2019 16:00:33 GMT
To clarify: Rand Paul has ranted against universal health care and voted against that medical care for those who live in the USA.
I find it very hypocritical that now that he wants medical care, he bypasses everything in the USA to go to another country, whose medical care he has disparaged, for his surgery. That is the point of my post.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 15, 2019 16:05:13 GMT
Your OP makes it sound like you didn't even read your own link. He is going to a specialized, privately owned hospital that specializes in a particular type of hernia repair. And yes will be billed for it. While there are a handful of surgeons in the US trained on the technique, he has the resources to go there and pay for their expertise.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 15, 2019 16:11:04 GMT
Rand Paul has ranted against universal health care and voted against that medical care for those who live in the USA. I find it very hypocritical that now that he wants medical care, he bypasses everything in the USA to go to another country, whose medical care he has disparaged, for his surgery. That is the point of my post. There it is in a nut shell.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 15, 2019 16:15:19 GMT
But it has literally nothing to do with Canada's socialized medicine. The hospital was founded decades ago and receives a waiver to continue to operate as a private entity. Other than accepting Canada's insurance, it isn't part of the system. To say that Rand's benefiting from Canada's socialized medicine is just silly - he's benefiting from an excellent surgeon who developed this technique in the 1940s and going to a private hospital that does over 6,500 repairs a year - you're just not going to find a surgeon in the US with the same level of expertise.
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Post by quiltz on Jan 15, 2019 16:33:51 GMT
From CBC.ca.
Paul is scheduled for surgery at Shouldice Hospital, which touts itself as a world leader in "non-mesh hernia repair."
"This is a private, world-renowned hospital separate from any system and people come from around the world to pay cash for their services," Paul spokesperson Kelsey Cooper said in an email Monday.
In choosing Shouldice, Paul will receive care in a country that offers its citizens a publicly funded, universal health-care system that runs counter to Paul's approach to American health-care policy.
Shouldice was one of a handful of private hospitals grandfathered under the health-care system framework when the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) was introduced in the early 1970s. Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.
The hernia procedure is estimated to cost $5,000 to $8,000 US, the court document said.
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Post by quiltz on Jan 15, 2019 16:35:40 GMT
I believe the hospital he's using is a private one, so anyone who has the money can pay and receive care there . . . still not sure why we allow that, but that's a political discussion for another day and place . . . Shouldice was one of a handful of private hospitals grandfathered under the health-care system framework when the Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) was introduced in the early 1970s. Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.
librarylady - It is a PRIVATE Hospital. ^ ^ ^
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 16:37:53 GMT
To clarify: Rand Paul has ranted against universal health care and voted against that medical care for those who live in the USA. I find it very hypocritical that now that he wants medical care, he bypasses everything in the USA to go to another country, whose medical care he has disparaged, for his surgery. That is the point of my post. But he's getting care from a private hospital and he's paying for it. Not from the system that is governmental. And how is this different from Canadians who love the universal system they have seeking treatment at Mayo (or any other US speciality facility)?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 15, 2019 17:06:03 GMT
okay, so I was curious- it looks like the hospital specializes only in hernia repair, and in doing non-mesh hernia repair surgeries. So apparently that's an important factor to him. Still seems ridiculous that he couldn't find any specialists in the US who also do that type of surgery, but it's his money (paid to him by US, but still- his money).
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jan 15, 2019 17:08:00 GMT
It’s too bad this is private surgery because I would love to see him in a quad room!
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Jan 15, 2019 17:08:47 GMT
Maybe the doctor can get Rand Paul's head out of his ass while he's under the knife.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 15, 2019 17:18:58 GMT
okay, so I was curious- it looks like the hospital specializes only in hernia repair, and in doing non-mesh hernia repair surgeries. So apparently that's an important factor to him. Still seems ridiculous that he couldn't find any specialists in the US who also do that type of surgery, but it's his money (paid to him by US, but still- his money). I was curious as well and did a quick search for surgeons in the US who also do this type of repair. I found a couple, both whom trained at that hospital. Only one has any meaningful experience - but with less than 700 surgeries of that type, still no where near the experience he'll find there. I'm by no means claiming an exhaustive search, but I think it would be hard to find any surgeon who would have the same level as experience as this hospital has been the pioneer for this type of surgery for 60 years. As it is also has a significantly longer hospital stay (5 days versus a typical outpatient) AND is only conducted with patients at a healthy weight - it's just not going to be found at any local surgery center.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 15, 2019 17:29:39 GMT
The article clearly states they accept out of Canada patients who pay their own fees. Why would anyone object to a man who was severely injured receiving care from a premier hernia repair facility? Because of the blatant hypocrisy all over it? The man has gone so far as to say universal healthcare is slavery of doctors and health professionals. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by 16joy on Jan 15, 2019 18:03:21 GMT
We have commercials in Atlanta by a law trolling for hernia mesh patients. I guess one type mesh caused an issue in some patients.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 15, 2019 18:11:10 GMT
The thing that bothers me the most about this, (enough that I was going to rant on my FB page 😂) is that Rand Paul (by virtue of the American people) has the luxury of choosing the best provider in the world himself, and of being able to pay out of pocket for it, with no real hardship. Yet most Americans have neither option available to them, and this man continually battles against a system that would make things more affordable for them. Despicable. How does he keep getting elected? 😐
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Post by quiltedbrain on Jan 15, 2019 19:52:39 GMT
Do you think Rand will now advocate for better access to quality healthcare (since he obviously finds it to not be on par) for the citizens of his state, whom he is supposed to represent?
Where was he when my husband had hernia surgery in Bowling Green, KY a few years ago? Rand lived there at the time and still does. I have never heard Rand say anything along the lines of we all need better, so eff him and his effing trip to Canada for healthcare.
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 15, 2019 20:38:27 GMT
I posted on this on the Trump catch all thread, because I too, thought it was hypocritical.
He has the Cadillac of Health Care plans, paid for by US taxpayers, and chooses to have this procedure in another country that he has disparaged because they provide health care for all. And Paul has already filed suit in Kentucky to be reimbursed by the neighbor that attacked him, whom it claims is responsible for the injury. And this 'attack' happened 14 months ago. It seems ironic that he needs that treatment now, and only in Canada.
I have no problem with Canadians seeking medical care in the US, or any Us citizen seeking medical care in the US, as long as they are paying for it.
But I do have a problem with an individual who has blocked every effort at providing health care to the citizens whose taxes provide him a Cadillac Health Care plan. That is the hypocrisy.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 15, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
Does the Canadian government set the prices for medical procedures even in a private hospital?
I believe the Canadian health system sets the price for any drugs he will receive....and I know those drugs are less expensive than in the US.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Jan 15, 2019 22:02:48 GMT
Does the Canadian government set the prices for medical procedures even in a private hospital? I believe the Canadian health system sets the price for any drugs he will receive....and I know those drugs are less expensive than in the US. Ontario/Canadian residents are covered at Shouldice for surgery and base accommodation, which is set by the government. I imagine non-residents pay a much higher fee, but I would think it less than in the US. Meh, regardless of the private/public technicalities, I certainly find it humorous that he is having it done here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 22:18:35 GMT
We have commercials in Atlanta by a law trolling for hernia mesh patients. I guess one type mesh caused an issue in some patients. A close friend has had to have 3 additional surgeries due to the mesh he received. So I can see why someone who could pay out of pocket for the best would do so. That is like anyone here needing specialty care looking for the best. I have been doing so with both kids. Hell I have a friend who travels to Boston every 6 weeks for OmeGaven a special TPN that you can only get at the hospital. We live in California. It has kept her kid alive
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jan 15, 2019 22:33:21 GMT
The thing that bothers me the most about this, (enough that I was going to rant on my FB page 😂) is that Rand Paul (by virtue of the American people) has the luxury of choosing the best provider in the world himself, and of being able to pay out of pocket for it, with no real hardship. Yet most Americans have neither option available to them, and this man continually battles against a system that would make things more affordable for them. Despicable. How does he keep getting elected? 😐 This is the real issue. Not everyone has the funds to go to a private clinic.
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