any right leaning refupeas

My goodness. This thread is a disaster show.

Yes, that’s right. If Trump is breathing, he’s lying.

Paranoid much?


I can get by very well without the endless bickering thankyouverymuch.  

In threads like this someone needs to be the bigger person and stop arguing. If you are a left leaning pea, the people you are arguing with right now will never be convinced by what you say. It doesn't matter what facts you have to back it up. If you are a right leaning pea, it does no good to argue with someone who has made up their mind about you.

Can't both sides see that this type of bickering does nothing? No opinions are swayed. It has disintegrated in to name calling. It's the same 3 or 4 fighting. Half of us don't even remember what the original question was. I almost wish a mod would shut down threads when it turns out like this.

The OP was asking if there were any right leaning refupeas. Only one side came into this thread to argue....

Hey at least I didn't bust out the beating a dead horse emoji.  Oops. I just did.

What? It was a thread for right leaning peas, making it very probable that conservative ideas would be expressed. Why would a left leaning pea even open this thread, much less post on it? They knew going in that they wouldn't agree with it. 

I don't appreciate your rudeness. I wouldn't post anything I thought was baloney, I'm not pretending anything, and I'm not being disingenuous. It's fine to disagree, but lay off the attacks.

Come on, really? You're not going to account for the OP's history on here lately? 

Not really surprised it turned out like this, tbh. 

Are you saying that right leaning peas shouldn't post on a thread directed towards them? Why can't the left leaning peas bow out? I would say the same thing to any right leaning peas that would argue on a left leaning thread, too.

I was taking this thread at face value since it (the opening post) wasn't rude or anything. If someone has a history of being nasty, I would just ignore their threads/posts. I have only seen a couple of threads where she has been controversial, and I think maybe she's going through some stuff and could use some understanding.  

I totally expected it to turn out like this.

To be exposed to different points of view, and it was going great up until that point. The same as any other thread on a message board. Do you not go into any threads you know you won’t agree with the majority of the peas? There are several conservative peas whose opinions I seek out.

I find it very hard to believe you can look at her post and say sincerely with a straight face that only one side came in here to argue. I don't see calling your argument baloney as rude, I even used a toned down more light hearted word on purpose; but as you do I apologize. 

Hey she pulled the peamail card! Bonus points for that one.

I’m sorry, what do you mean? I stopped reading. Who pulled the pea mail card?

I don't know the OP. I have not been following her threads. I've only even read bits and pieces of this thread. 

The title alone is vaguebooking. Just to see who would jump into it.



So, while I'm here for the moment, I'm going to try this one last time.



There is an enormous difference in perception between different people. Some focus on the words that Trump says literally and others do not, focusing on his actions instead.

The difference is quite striking.

The "truth" is a combination of the two.



You can not judge everyone in a group by a few. Otherwise, you may judge all those who wear/wore pussy hats by Madonna's rhetoric: "Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House."

Did her words mean we should go blow up the White House? No, I don't think so. Yet, they were horrible words that were terrible to say. She has an enormous fanbase and that clip of her flashed around the world reaching unstable and terroristic people all over.

She can't unring that bell even if she tries, yet I do not read that within whatever few posts I read wherever I open any random political thread.

But Trump's braggadocio comment to someone in private that was rude, crude, tasteless and disgusting is treated as if it's his main agenda as President.

The man has had three stunning wives. Three, and he's not still with wife #1 because he cheated on her. That is actual behavior, not just rhetoric. 

Can we hate on Trump for having an affair? For being divorced not once, but twice? You know, something with actual consequence.

But, no. It's the rhetoric. It always comes back to HIS rhetoric and his alone.




I said before that I do not defend Trump and I mean it. I do not defend his comments about women. I do not defend his multiple marriages. I do not defend him, period.

There are things about the Trump agenda that align with things I've wanted to see for many, many years. Like border security.

I've wanted stricter border security since my parents took a trip to the border and came back with stories of watching people swarm it. My father died in 1993, so you can do the math yourself on that and see just how many administrations have come and gone during that time.

I was happy when Reagan granted Amnesty in 1986. Under that Simpson-Mazzoli Act:
* employers were required to attest to their employees' immigration status
* it became illegal to knowingly hire or require illegal immigrants 
* certain seasonal agricultural undocumented immigrants became legalized
* legalized undocumented immigrants who entered the US before 1 Jan 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country prior to that date, and that they possessed at least a minimal knowledge of US history, government & the English language to be considered candidates for amnesty

At the time, the Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that about 4 million illegal immigrants would apply for legal status through this act and that only about half would be eligible.

The new law did not address the status of children of illegal aliens who were eligible for the amnesty program, so in 1987, Reagan used his executive authority to legalize the status of minor children of parents granted amnesty, announcing a blanket deferral of deportation for children under 18 who were living in a two-parent household with at least one parent legalizing. This action affected an estimated 100,000 families.

Wikipedia link


Congress failed to enforce the law, and as I said above, the consequences have been an increasing failure of our border.


And now, because there are White Supremacy groups who do not represent, believe, promote or stand for what is important to me, I'm supposed to be considered to have embraced all of it anyway because I still want border security.

This is entirely irrational.

And because some people who feel the same way I do, who similarly think a stupid hat represents something that they have waited for Congress to take real action on for however long - maybe to renegotiate our trade deals with other countries, or to make health care more viable, or something else entirely - they are to be considered as White Supremacists. (But not necessarily the KKK, which was a Democratic entity.)

Again, entirely irrational. 

FWIW, I do not own nor have I ever worn MAGA anything but I do defend the right of others to for their own reasons and I will not judge them for that any more than I will judge all the people who wear/wore pink pussy hats by the words of Madonna.





I really do have some serious anxiety at this time. I can not read all of this thread. I may not read all of the replies that may follow. Y'all have voices that will be heard here, please just respect that I feel the need to have this heard even if I can't fully be a part of the conversation.