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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:51:38 GMT
why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? The question isn't *are there any right leaning peas and what do you think of them?" How about Right leaning pea - *yes, I am Republican/conservative/whatever* Left leaning pea - (thinks to self, *oh, the OP just wants to know who is right leaning, that's not me so I don't need to answer*) or even *I'm not but it would be great if any right leaning peas want to join in the political conversation on our daily thread.* It didn't have to go this way. I think with this one post on the first page the die was cast as which way this thread was going to end up going. “Raising my hand.
I'm very liberal on social issues and very right-leaning pragmatic on financial and security issues, but the unfiltered HATE coming from the radical left is going to kill this country.”
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 29, 2019 18:11:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 19:00:49 GMT
why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? The question isn't *are there any right leaning peas and what do you think of them?" How about Right leaning pea - *yes, I am Republican/conservative/whatever* Left leaning pea - (thinks to self, *oh, the OP just wants to know who is right leaning, that's not me so I don't need to answer*) or even *I'm not but it would be great if any right leaning peas want to join in the political conversation on our daily thread.* It didn't have to go this way. Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 29, 2019 19:32:12 GMT
why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? The question isn't *are there any right leaning peas and what do you think of them?" How about Right leaning pea - *yes, I am Republican/conservative/whatever* Left leaning pea - (thinks to self, *oh, the OP just wants to know who is right leaning, that's not me so I don't need to answer*) or even *I'm not but it would be great if any right leaning peas want to join in the political conversation on our daily thread.* It didn't have to go this way. Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. It takes a hella lot of nerve to say anyone "should have ended" what the wanted to say at any point. ANYONE can elaborate at any time, because FREE SPEECH. WTF do you think you are? As has been pointed out - I'm not sure who is who around here, and the Peas were "right" about me  AmeliaBloomer seemed to really want to know (genuinely) why right leaning peas appear to be unwilling to clarify stances. She seems like a reasonable person, and I (and others) threw caution to the wind and waded in. Like a long tailed cat in a rocking chair factory. Another, jeremysgirl, said she believes there is a radical left, and she's not sure they're worse than the radical right (I agree, just like both major parties, they both suck.) Where I take exception is when it is generally assumed that those who voted against HRC do so because they are misinformed, ignorant, stupid, in need of intervention and racist, not just misogynist but hate women and plain out evil. We have our reasons. And if asked, I'm not afraid to speak to them. That said, it gets tiresome sitting around here with a majority of keyboard warriors that wouldn't and couldn't engage in an actual real world conversation without resorting to name calling. Conversation, not a finger pointing pissing contest while surrounded by 300 of HRC's fangirls. I know alot of people in real life that I respect and enjoy that supported HRC, and very very few of them would have worn a pussy hat (around here though, that's a badge of honor.) There are a ton of issues for which we agree to disagree, but even more where we are 100% in agreement. I've said before, the election of 2016 was like a choosing an STD for me. Do I want to die a slow agonizing painful death, hating myself every second of the way? Or would I rather be blown up in a mushroom cloud? You can take that literally or figuratively. The difference between me, and quite a few of you on this board (quite a few- not all....) is that can differentiate words and actions, I can discuss with open ears. I have contributed to the protection of the United States, and continue to do so. I have stood within firing range of opposing military. What alot of you fail to realize post 9/11 is that we now ALL within range. I HAVE been the one that was used as a pawn in a game I had no control of. And you know what? I'd rather the world be afraid of my team than see us as weak and undefended. The Peas will not beat that out of me with their little plastic letters on a keyboard. So have at it. I'm out of this discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 19:32:32 GMT
why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? The question isn't *are there any right leaning peas and what do you think of them?" How about Right leaning pea - *yes, I am Republican/conservative/whatever* Left leaning pea - (thinks to self, *oh, the OP just wants to know who is right leaning, that's not me so I don't need to answer*) or even *I'm not but it would be great if any right leaning peas want to join in the political conversation on our daily thread.* It didn't have to go this way. Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. Then maybe mimi3566 should not have said that those on the right are racist, homophobes, iamkristinl16 should not have agreed with her while stating how noble and altruistic the hate from the left is, and all those that followed that piled on and resorted to personal attacks of those on the right, should not have. I mean if you're going to name names, call out and hand-slap someone in the wrong, why do it to only one side. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 20:37:47 GMT
Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. It takes a hella lot of nerve to say anyone "should have ended" what the wanted to say at any point. ANYONE can elaborate at any time, because FREE SPEECH. WTF do you think you are? I find it ironic that you have the nerve to ask me WTF I think I am because I made a suggestion in reply to @bonanza as to why this thread had taken a turn and yet you have no problem with her suggesting exactly, word for word, what everyone else should have said even to the extent of writing it all out for everyone. As for your "free speech" you should take heed to remember that everyone has that right without demanding them to explain WTF they are. I'm neither right or left as far as American Politics goes so don't attempt to tell me that it's always the left that starts the derailment of threads when it was pretty obvious that it was the right that stirred the pot on page one of this thread. In the same vein that you came out all guns blazing and on the attack for someone making a suggestion as to how it could have been avoided. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 29, 2019 20:45:39 GMT
The bat phone has been busy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 20:55:02 GMT
Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. Then maybe mimi3566 should not have said that those on the right are racist, homophobes, iamkristinl16 should not have agreed with her while stating how noble and altruistic the hate from the left is, and all those that followed that piled on and resorted to personal attacks of those on the right, should not have. I mean if you're going to name names, call out and hand-slap someone in the wrong, why do it to only one side. I mentioned mom26 because that was the first post that came up deviating from the OP's question.Nothing more, nothing less I wasn't hand slapping anyone but yet you thought it was fine for you to be allowed to suggest word for word what everyone should have said. Wasn't that hand slapping everyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 21:09:13 GMT
Then maybe mimi3566 should not have said that those on the right are racist, homophobes, iamkristinl16 should not have agreed with her while stating how noble and altruistic the hate from the left is, and all those that followed that piled on and resorted to personal attacks of those on the right, should not have. I mean if you're going to name names, call out and hand-slap someone in the wrong, why do it to only one side. I mentioned mom26 because that was the first post that came up deviating from the OP's question.Nothing more, nothing less I wasn't hand slapping anyone but yet you thought it was fine for you to be allowed to suggest word for word what everyone should have said. Wasn't that hand slapping everyone? So you'd like no deviation from the group then? Am I understanding that correctly? She deviated from the group and you think "she should have stopped before she did". Just so I'm clear... is it deviation from the group before her or deviation from thoughts and ideas you are okay with people having? |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 29, 2019 21:16:17 GMT
It takes a hella lot of nerve to say anyone "should have ended" what the wanted to say at any point. ANYONE can elaborate at any time, because FREE SPEECH. WTF do you think you are? I find it ironic that you have the nerve to ask me WTF I think I am because I made a suggestion in reply to @bonanza as to why this thread had taken a turn and yet you have no problem with her suggesting exactly, word for word, what everyone else should have said even to the extent of writing it all out for everyone. As for your "free speech" you should take heed to remember that everyone has that right without demanding them to explain WTF they are. I'm neither right or left as far as American Politics goes so don't attempt to tell me that it's always the left that starts the derailment of threads when it was pretty obvious that it was the right that stirred the pot on page one of this thread. In the same vein that you came out all guns blazing and on the attack for someone making a suggestion as to how it could have been avoided. What is telling is that you felt the need to determine how anyone should have responded. She said "why can't it- it didn't have to be this way." Question. You said "should have ended her post...." Directive statement at best. Given no one was asking for your advice on how to respond, it is a was a silencing statement. Certainly not a suggestion. A suggestion is more likely worded with a could. Certainly not a should. Where did I say it was the left that starts derailment? Or perhaps you recognized the perspectives of the name callers and just assumed my intent? You're wrong as to my intent. Notice I said (many times....) both right and left have radical and unreasonable factions. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 29, 2019 21:18:50 GMT
I mentioned mom26 because that was the first post that came up deviating from the OP's question.Nothing more, nothing less I wasn't hand slapping anyone but yet you thought it was fine for you to be allowed to suggest word for word what everyone should have said. Wasn't that hand slapping everyone? So you'd like no deviation from the group then? Am I understanding that correctly? She deviated from the group and you think "she should have stopped before she did". Just so I'm clear... is it deviation from the group before her or deviation from thoughts and ideas you are okay with people having? I think you actually fully understand what she meant and are trying your hand at twisting words, but as a fairly impartial observer, I'll tell you you're gonna have to try harder. Clearly Dotty's post was an IF/THEN response. IF the thread should have not gone in this direction and the left should have simply bowed out while all the right peas weighed in with a simple "yes", THEN mom26 probably shouldn't have fired that first shot from the right about the hate-filled left. As for the main body of this thread, it's just the usual suspects. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2019 21:34:53 GMT
Maybe mom26 should have ended her post after "raising her hand" like all the other right leaning peas did before her by just posting "yes". They didn't feel the need to elaborate on the original simple question. It takes a hella lot of nerve to say anyone "should have ended" what the wanted to say at any point. ANYONE can elaborate at any time, because FREE SPEECH. WTF do you think you are? As has been pointed out - I'm not sure who is who around here, and the Peas were "right" about me AmeliaBloomer seemed to really want to know (genuinely) why right leaning peas appear to be unwilling to clarify stances. She seems like a reasonable person, and I (and others) threw caution to the wind and waded in. Like a long tailed cat in a rocking chair factory. Another, jeremysgirl, said she believes there is a radical left, and she's not sure they're worse than the radical right (I agree, just like both major parties, they both suck.) Where I take exception is when it is generally assumed that those who voted against HRC do so because they are misinformed, ignorant, stupid, in need of intervention and racist, not just misogynist but hate women and plain out evil. We have our reasons. And if asked, I'm not afraid to speak to them. That said, it gets tiresome sitting around here with a majority of keyboard warriors that wouldn't and couldn't engage in an actual real world conversation without resorting to name calling. Conversation, not a finger pointing pissing contest while surrounded by 300 of HRC's fangirls. I know alot of people in real life that I respect and enjoy that supported HRC, and very very few of them would have worn a pussy hat (around here though, that's a badge of honor.) There are a ton of issues for which we agree to disagree, but even more where we are 100% in agreement. I've said before, the election of 2016 was like a choosing an STD for me. Do I want to die a slow agonizing painful death, hating myself every second of the way? Or would I rather be blown up in a mushroom cloud? You can take that literally or figuratively. The difference between me, and quite a few of you on this board (quite a few- not all....) is that can differentiate words and actions, I can discuss with open ears. I have contributed to the protection of the United States, and continue to do so. I have stood within firing range of opposing military. What alot of you fail to realize post 9/11 is that we now ALL within range. I HAVE been the one that was used as a pawn in a game I had no control of. And you know what? I'd rather the world be afraid of my team than see us as weak and undefended. The Peas will not beat that out of me with their little plastic letters on a keyboard. So have at it. I'm out of this discussion. Of course she can respond any way she likes. But again, free speech doesn’t give you license to say whatever you like, free from any indirect consequences or reactions. The consequences being, that for a lot of people it set an additional tone. Personally, I just scrolled by it, but this board being what it is, full of diverse personalities - of course some people aren’t going to leave a pointed comment like that unchallenged. Nor should they, all things being equal. 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 21:39:12 GMT
I mentioned mom26 because that was the first post that came up deviating from the OP's question.Nothing more, nothing less I wasn't hand slapping anyone but yet you thought it was fine for you to be allowed to suggest word for word what everyone should have said. Wasn't that hand slapping everyone? So you'd like no deviation from the group then? Am I understanding that correctly? She deviated from the group and you think "she should have stopped before she did". Just so I'm clear... is it deviation from the group before her or deviation from thoughts and ideas you are okay with people having? You're just being downright difficult now but I'll answer you anyhow. I'm not talking about a group. The deviation was from a simple question that the OP had started the thread about. I suggest you go back to the beginning of the thread and take note as to when this thread started to go the wrong way. You asked a question
and you then suggested an answer, what everyone should have said, a very lengthy one at that although there was far more detail in what the left should say. In reply to YOU and in the context of your post only, I suggested that the thread wouldn't have taken the turn it did if mom26 hadn't mentioned the hate from the left. ....... part of your question was "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about" Everyone, and as it happens, they were all right leaning peas, answered a simple yes to the simple question " are there any right leaning peas" except for her. From my part there is nothing about any group deviation, maybe you should ask that question to mom26 as to why she deviated from the question and for her to answer your question on "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? In case you hadn't noticed I had contributed nothing to this thread previous to answering your specific question. In retrospect I should have just zipped it and you could then take the glory of doing what you accuse the left of doing....shutting people down except that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. |
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Post by Anita on Jan 29, 2019 21:41:18 GMT
Free speech. I do not think that term means what you think it means.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 29, 2019 21:42:48 GMT
It takes a hella lot of nerve to say anyone "should have ended" what the wanted to say at any point. ANYONE can elaborate at any time, because FREE SPEECH. WTF do you think you are? As has been pointed out - I'm not sure who is who around here, and the Peas were "right" about me AmeliaBloomer seemed to really want to know (genuinely) why right leaning peas appear to be unwilling to clarify stances. She seems like a reasonable person, and I (and others) threw caution to the wind and waded in. Like a long tailed cat in a rocking chair factory. Another, jeremysgirl, said she believes there is a radical left, and she's not sure they're worse than the radical right (I agree, just like both major parties, they both suck.) Where I take exception is when it is generally assumed that those who voted against HRC do so because they are misinformed, ignorant, stupid, in need of intervention and racist, not just misogynist but hate women and plain out evil. We have our reasons. And if asked, I'm not afraid to speak to them. That said, it gets tiresome sitting around here with a majority of keyboard warriors that wouldn't and couldn't engage in an actual real world conversation without resorting to name calling. Conversation, not a finger pointing pissing contest while surrounded by 300 of HRC's fangirls. I know alot of people in real life that I respect and enjoy that supported HRC, and very very few of them would have worn a pussy hat (around here though, that's a badge of honor.) There are a ton of issues for which we agree to disagree, but even more where we are 100% in agreement. I've said before, the election of 2016 was like a choosing an STD for me. Do I want to die a slow agonizing painful death, hating myself every second of the way? Or would I rather be blown up in a mushroom cloud? You can take that literally or figuratively. The difference between me, and quite a few of you on this board (quite a few- not all....) is that can differentiate words and actions, I can discuss with open ears. I have contributed to the protection of the United States, and continue to do so. I have stood within firing range of opposing military. What alot of you fail to realize post 9/11 is that we now ALL within range. I HAVE been the one that was used as a pawn in a game I had no control of. And you know what? I'd rather the world be afraid of my team than see us as weak and undefended. The Peas will not beat that out of me with their little plastic letters on a keyboard. So have at it. I'm out of this discussion. Of course she can respond any way she likes. But again, free speech doesn’t give you license to say whatever you like, free from any indirect consequences or reactions. The consequences being, that for a lot of people it set an additional tone. Personally, I just scrolled by it, but this board being what it is, full of diverse personalities - of course some people aren’t going to leave a pointed comment like that unchallenged. Nor should they, all things being equal. 🤷🏻♀️ Not sure what you're getting at here? (Not snarky, legit just don't quite get it.) Do you mean that I am asking to say what I like and be free of consequences? Which consequences would those be? The tone here is pretty monotonous, nothing will change it. And the reactions are pretty much in large part predictable. To take it one step further, not all people of all nations have the right to free speech. In fact, British free speech is only protected if it doesn't offend someone. Try saying anything without offending someone on this board.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 21:52:38 GMT
So you'd like no deviation from the group then? Am I understanding that correctly? She deviated from the group and you think "she should have stopped before she did". Just so I'm clear... is it deviation from the group before her or deviation from thoughts and ideas you are okay with people having? I think you actually fully understand what she meant and are trying your hand at twisting words, but as a fairly impartial observer, I'll tell you you're gonna have to try harder. Clearly Dotty's post was an IF/THEN response.IF the thread should have not gone in this direction and the left should have simply bowed out while all the right peas weighed in with a simple "yes", THEN mom26 probably shouldn't have fired that first shot from the right about the hate-filled left. As for the main body of this thread, it's just the usual suspects. I didn't twist her words, I quoted her actual words. Now you're saying the if/then is... if you say you don't like being ganged up on/personally attacked when you participate then you are only opening yourself up to being ganged up on/personally attacked. Which is no different than what I heard from Dotty. If those aren't your points you'll have to try harder because that's what's coming across. If any right leaning pea hears something different please do chime in and correct where I've gone wrong. I'm open to another viewpoint from someone who isn't looking to show right leaning peas as evil. I would not classify you in that group Zee. Just want to be clear. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2019 21:56:40 GMT
Of course she can respond any way she likes. But again, free speech doesn’t give you license to say whatever you like, free from any indirect consequences or reactions. The consequences being, that for a lot of people it set an additional tone. Personally, I just scrolled by it, but this board being what it is, full of diverse personalities - of course some people aren’t going to leave a pointed comment like that unchallenged. Nor should they, all things being equal. 🤷🏻♀️ Not sure what you're getting at here? (Not snarky, legit just don't quite get it.) Do you mean that I am asking to say what I like and be free of consequences? Which consequences would those be? The tone here is pretty monotonous, nothing will change it. And the reactions are pretty much in large part predictable. To take it one step further, not all people of all nations have the right to free speech. In fact, British free speech is only protected if it doesn't offend someone. Try saying anything without offending someone on this board. Not at all. Just pointing out how that particular use of free speech, has been exampled as setting a particular tone for responses. Dotty seemed to be just pointing out how not adding that part at all, the thread might have gone a bit differently. Although, I personally think it was who actually started it, that contributed a lot to it, the amount of people who questioned it or had direct issue with it, I think she has a valid point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 22:00:06 GMT
I find it ironic that you have the nerve to ask me WTF I think I am because I made a suggestion in reply to @bonanza as to why this thread had taken a turn and yet you have no problem with her suggesting exactly, word for word, what everyone else should have said even to the extent of writing it all out for everyone. As for your "free speech" you should take heed to remember that everyone has that right without demanding them to explain WTF they are. I'm neither right or left as far as American Politics goes so don't attempt to tell me that it's always the left that starts the derailment of threads when it was pretty obvious that it was the right that stirred the pot on page one of this thread. In the same vein that you came out all guns blazing and on the attack for someone making a suggestion as to how it could have been avoided. She said "why can't it- it didn't have to be this way." Question. You said " should have ended her post...." Directive statement at best. Given no one was asking for your advice on how to respond, it is a was a silencing statement. Certainly not a suggestion. A suggestion is more likely worded with a could. Certainly not a should.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 22:00:37 GMT
So you'd like no deviation from the group then? Am I understanding that correctly? She deviated from the group and you think "she should have stopped before she did". Just so I'm clear... is it deviation from the group before her or deviation from thoughts and ideas you are okay with people having? You're just being downright difficult now but I'll answer you anyhow. I'm not talking about a group. The deviation was from a simple question that the OP had started the thread about. I suggest you go back to the beginning of the thread and take note as to when this thread started to go the wrong way. You asked a question
and you then suggested an answer, what everyone should have said, a very lengthy one at that although there was far more detail in what the left should say. In reply to YOU and in the context of your post only, I suggested that the thread wouldn't have taken the turn it did if mom26 hadn't mentioned the hate from the left. ....... part of your question was "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about" Everyone, and as it happens, they were all right leaning peas, answered a simple yes to the simple question " are there any right leaning peas" except for her. From my part there is nothing about any group deviation, maybe you should ask that question to mom26 as to why she deviated from the question and for her to answer your question on "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? In case you hadn't noticed I had contributed nothing to this thread previous to answering your specific question. In retrospect I should have just zipped it and you could then take the glory of doing what you accuse the left of doing....shutting people down except that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I did not ask that question, nor did I give an answer to it. You're confused. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 22:09:05 GMT
You're just being downright difficult now but I'll answer you anyhow. I'm not talking about a group. The deviation was from a simple question that the OP had started the thread about. I suggest you go back to the beginning of the thread and take note as to when this thread started to go the wrong way. You asked a question
and you then suggested an answer, what everyone should have said, a very lengthy one at that although there was far more detail in what the left should say. In reply to YOU and in the context of your post only, I suggested that the thread wouldn't have taken the turn it did if mom26 hadn't mentioned the hate from the left. ....... part of your question was "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about" Everyone, and as it happens, they were all right leaning peas, answered a simple yes to the simple question " are there any right leaning peas" except for her. From my part there is nothing about any group deviation, maybe you should ask that question to mom26 as to why she deviated from the question and for her to answer your question on "why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? In case you hadn't noticed I had contributed nothing to this thread previous to answering your specific question. In retrospect I should have just zipped it and you could then take the glory of doing what you accuse the left of doing....shutting people down except that I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I did not ask that question, nor did I give an answer to it. You're confused. I apologize, it was @bonanza and it was her post I was answering before you and FuzzyMutt decided to call me out on it and attempt to twist the reply. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 29, 2019 22:14:13 GMT
I think you actually fully understand what she meant and are trying your hand at twisting words, but as a fairly impartial observer, I'll tell you you're gonna have to try harder. Clearly Dotty's post was an IF/THEN response.IF the thread should have not gone in this direction and the left should have simply bowed out while all the right peas weighed in with a simple "yes", THEN mom26 probably shouldn't have fired that first shot from the right about the hate-filled left. As for the main body of this thread, it's just the usual suspects. I didn't twist her words, I quoted her actual words. Now you're saying the if/then is... if you say you don't like being ganged up on/personally attacked when you participate then you are only opening yourself up to being ganged up on/personally attacked. Which is no different than what I heard from Dotty. If those aren't your points you'll have to try harder because that's what's coming across. If any right leaning pea hears something different please do chime in and correct where I've gone wrong. I'm open to another viewpoint from someone who isn't looking to show right leaning peas as evil. I would not classify you in that group Zee. Just want to be clear. I couldn't be any clearer. Sorry if you're truly not getting it. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 29, 2019 22:38:16 GMT
Not sure what you're getting at here? (Not snarky, legit just don't quite get it.) Do you mean that I am asking to say what I like and be free of consequences? Which consequences would those be? The tone here is pretty monotonous, nothing will change it. And the reactions are pretty much in large part predictable. To take it one step further, not all people of all nations have the right to free speech. In fact, British free speech is only protected if it doesn't offend someone. Try saying anything without offending someone on this board. Not at all. Just pointing out how that particular use of free speech, has been exampled as setting a particular tone for responses. Dotty seemed to be just pointing out how not adding that part at all, the thread might have gone a bit differently. Although, I personally think it was who actually started it, that contributed a lot to it, the amount of people who questioned it or had direct issue with it, I think she has a valid point. I can agree with that in very large part. The thread would have went differently until someone said dogs were better than cats. Or cats are better than dogs. Strawberry cupcakes better than carrot cake. We all know it's only a matter of posts. All conservative *leaning* Peas were then cast as in agreement with Mom26. Truthfully, I didn't *like* what she said because it I saw it as divisive and I believe both "parties" suck. But of course someone would say something and that gives license for the dogpile. What happens on this board is only words, in most cases. Posting names and locations from time to time is without a doubt intimidation and engendering fear. The word "attack" is used so loosely in the first world. Verbal violence is considered an attack. I would venture to say name calling and rudeness haven't changed an opinion in the history of ever. Likely what happened on this thread is the few people willing to comment against the flow of the Peas are just as firmly where they started. Doubled down likely. It's a shame this place is so for us/against us. There are good people here. Judging a person based on political views are like being plotted on a graph. Depending on your experiences, education and background, there is a plot point or cloud. Most people will never leave that range of values regardless what is said to them. They may reside anywhere on the graph with respect to X and Y, and some are even able and willing to see Z. Some people are single issue voters- single plot point. Most aren't. Some are informed, some are not. Most are reasonable, some are not. Most are kind, good and well intentioned, some are not. I'm guessing most people on this board have much more in common as people, than the political crap we perseverate on. It is possible to support a spectrum of ideas. Life and liberty aren't as exclusive as you might thing. Rather inclusive actually. Truth be told, if there were a party aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalmost like the libertarian party that would be a better description of me. I don't care who people sleep with, where or if they pray, what color their hair, skin or eyes are, where they are from, what music they listen to, what they do for a living or what they choose to do with their bodies. I do believe in defense of this nation and the spreadsheet counters should have me down as against the wall, but very much for immigration of good people (not necessarily Olympic winners lol) and strengthening our borders. Y'all can hate me if that's what in your hearts. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jan 29, 2019 22:41:10 GMT
I did not ask that question, nor did I give an answer to it. You're confused. I apologize, it was @bonanza and it was her post I was answering before you and FuzzyMutt decided to call me out on it and attempt to twist the reply. I did call you out. There was no twist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 23:01:52 GMT
Not at all. Just pointing out how that particular use of free speech, has been exampled as setting a particular tone for responses. Dotty seemed to be just pointing out how not adding that part at all, the thread might have gone a bit differently. Although, I personally think it was who actually started it, that contributed a lot to it, the amount of people who questioned it or had direct issue with it, I think she has a valid point. I can agree with that in very large part. The thread would have went differently until someone said dogs were better than cats. Or cats are better than dogs. Strawberry cupcakes better than carrot cake. We all know it's only a matter of posts. All conservative *leaning* Peas were then cast as in agreement with Mom26. Truthfully, I didn't *like* what she said because it I saw it as divisive and I believe both "parties" suck. But of course someone would say something and that gives license for the dogpile. What happens on this board is only words, in most cases. Posting names and locations from time to time is without a doubt intimidation and engendering fear. The word "attack" is used so loosely in the first world. Verbal violence is considered an attack. I would venture to say name calling and rudeness haven't changed an opinion in the history of ever. Likely what happened on this thread is the few people willing to comment against the flow of the Peas are just as firmly where they started. Doubled down likely. It's a shame this place is so for us/against us. There are good people here. Judging a person based on political views are like being plotted on a graph. Depending on your experiences, education and background, there is a plot point or cloud. Most people will never leave that range of values regardless what is said to them. They may reside anywhere on the graph with respect to X and Y, and some are even able and willing to see Z. Some people are single issue voters- single plot point. Most aren't. Some are informed, some are not. Most are reasonable, some are not. Most are kind, good and well intentioned, some are not. I'm guessing most people on this board have much more in common as people, than the political crap we perseverate on. It is possible to support a spectrum of ideas. Life and liberty aren't as exclusive as you might thing. Rather inclusive actually. Truth be told, if there were a party aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalmost like the libertarian party that would be a better description of me. I don't care who people sleep with, where or if they pray, what color their hair, skin or eyes are, where they are from, what music they listen to, what they do for a living or what they choose to do with their bodies. I do believe in defense of this nation and the spreadsheet counters should have me down as against the wall, but very much for immigration of good people (not necessarily Olympic winners lol) and strengthening our borders. Y'all can hate me if that's what in your hearts. Well said. For the record, I use the term personal attack to differentiate between disagreeing with someone's innocuous statements and claiming them evil for stating them. I did call you out. There was no twist. That. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 23:16:27 GMT
I can agree with that in very large part. The thread would have went differently until someone said dogs were better than cats. Or cats are better than dogs. Strawberry cupcakes better than carrot cake. We all know it's only a matter of posts. All conservative *leaning* Peas were then cast as in agreement with Mom26. Truthfully, I didn't *like* what she said because it I saw it as divisive and I believe both "parties" suck. But of course someone would say something and that gives license for the dogpile. What happens on this board is only words, in most cases. Posting names and locations from time to time is without a doubt intimidation and engendering fear. The word "attack" is used so loosely in the first world. Verbal violence is considered an attack. I would venture to say name calling and rudeness haven't changed an opinion in the history of ever. Likely what happened on this thread is the few people willing to comment against the flow of the Peas are just as firmly where they started. Doubled down likely. It's a shame this place is so for us/against us. There are good people here. Judging a person based on political views are like being plotted on a graph. Depending on your experiences, education and background, there is a plot point or cloud. Most people will never leave that range of values regardless what is said to them. They may reside anywhere on the graph with respect to X and Y, and some are even able and willing to see Z. Some people are single issue voters- single plot point. Most aren't. Some are informed, some are not. Most are reasonable, some are not. Most are kind, good and well intentioned, some are not. I'm guessing most people on this board have much more in common as people, than the political crap we perseverate on. It is possible to support a spectrum of ideas. Life and liberty aren't as exclusive as you might thing. Rather inclusive actually. Truth be told, if there were a party aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalmost like the libertarian party that would be a better description of me. I don't care who people sleep with, where or if they pray, what color their hair, skin or eyes are, where they are from, what music they listen to, what they do for a living or what they choose to do with their bodies. I do believe in defense of this nation and the spreadsheet counters should have me down as against the wall, but very much for immigration of good people (not necessarily Olympic winners lol) and strengthening our borders. Y'all can hate me if that's what in your hearts. Well said. For the record, I use the term personal attack to differentiate between disagreeing with someone's innocuous statements and claiming them evil for stating them. I did call you out. There was no twist. That. I have been reading the back and forth you ladies have had with @dottyscrapper and @z*G and a term came to mind. So I looked it up and it fits! So I’m thinking we can refer to you both as “spin doctors”. 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 23:28:27 GMT
I apologize, it was @bonanza and it was her post I was answering before you and FuzzyMutt decided to call me out on it and attempt to twist the reply. I did call you out. There was no twist. So after 15 pages of arguments from both sides you decided to call ME out for the first and only post in a simple, no insults, no name calling reply, to someone else's post that had really nothing to do with you. Okey Dokey glad we had that sorted then! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 23:51:00 GMT
why can't a thread like this just be what it is about? The question isn't *are there any right leaning peas and what do you think of them?" How about Right leaning pea - *yes, I am Republican/conservative/whatever* Left leaning pea - (thinks to self, *oh, the OP just wants to know who is right leaning, that's not me so I don't need to answer*) or even *I'm not but it would be great if any right leaning peas want to join in the political conversation on our daily thread.* It didn't have to go this way. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 29, 2019 23:53:24 GMT
Not at all. Just pointing out how that particular use of free speech, has been exampled as setting a particular tone for responses. Dotty seemed to be just pointing out how not adding that part at all, the thread might have gone a bit differently. Although, I personally think it was who actually started it, that contributed a lot to it, the amount of people who questioned it or had direct issue with it, I think she has a valid point. I can agree with that in very large part. The thread would have went differently until someone said dogs were better than cats. Or cats are better than dogs. Strawberry cupcakes better than carrot cake. We all know it's only a matter of posts. All conservative *leaning* Peas were then cast as in agreement with Mom26. Truthfully, I didn't *like* what she said because it I saw it as divisive and I believe both "parties" suck. But of course someone would say something and that gives license for the dogpile. What happens on this board is only words, in most cases. Posting names and locations from time to time is without a doubt intimidation and engendering fear. The word "attack" is used so loosely in the first world. Verbal violence is considered an attack. I would venture to say name calling and rudeness haven't changed an opinion in the history of ever. Likely what happened on this thread is the few people willing to comment against the flow of the Peas are just as firmly where they started. Doubled down likely. It's a shame this place is so for us/against us. There are good people here. Judging a person based on political views are like being plotted on a graph. Depending on your experiences, education and background, there is a plot point or cloud. Most people will never leave that range of values regardless what is said to them. They may reside anywhere on the graph with respect to X and Y, and some are even able and willing to see Z. Some people are single issue voters- single plot point. Most aren't. Some are informed, some are not. Most are reasonable, some are not. Most are kind, good and well intentioned, some are not. I'm guessing most people on this board have much more in common as people, than the political crap we perseverate on. It is possible to support a spectrum of ideas. Life and liberty aren't as exclusive as you might thing. Rather inclusive actually. Truth be told, if there were a party aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalmost like the libertarian party that would be a better description of me. I don't care who people sleep with, where or if they pray, what color their hair, skin or eyes are, where they are from, what music they listen to, what they do for a living or what they choose to do with their bodies. I do believe in defense of this nation and the spreadsheet counters should have me down as against the wall, but very much for immigration of good people (not necessarily Olympic winners lol) and strengthening our borders. Y'all can hate me if that's what in your hearts. But it wasn't as pedestrian or as trite as cupcakes or cats or dogs. It was making a loaded statement that was bound to provoke responses. You can't have been on this board any amount of time and objectively think that it wouldn't have. However, I don't categorize people as evil - simply because I disagree with them politically. There are a couple people on this board I have NO time for nor wish to interact with - simply based on their behavior on here - not their political stance. I have my own life experiences and opinions, and I haven't always agreed with people that generally politically I agree with either. Most everyone else, we might disagree on politics (or sidewalk cupcakes, bras, kitten heels or shopping carts) but I still will be respectful and interact with you on political threads and on any other thread, or offer sincere sympathies or support, if needed. Almost all the peas who identified as right leaning are people whose posts I enjoy. And I think most people here are the same. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Jan 30, 2019 0:06:30 GMT
For me there is a world of difference between right leaning and the Trump Administration along with the sycophants in the House and Senate.
They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Someone who is right leaning is interested in dialogue and compromise to reach a common goal. The Trump Administration is a group of wannabe
Mafia thugs who work to achieve their goals by any means possible, whether or not it is legal or moral. The Republican Party have chosen to follow Trump straight into hell.
Many conservative right leaning have made the choice to distance themselves from the Republican Party until this Administration is a thing of the past. Knowing it will take years to rebuild the party to something to be respected in the future.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 30, 2019 0:16:34 GMT
Many conservative right leaning have made the choice to distance themselves from the Republican Party until this Administration is a thing of the past. Yeah, well... these are the same politicians who did not deliver on their promises, so I really don't give a damn what most of them say right now. |
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AmeliaBloomer seemed to really want to know (genuinely) why right leaning peas appear to be unwilling to clarify stances. She seems like a reasonable person, and I (and others) threw caution to the wind and waded in. Like a long tailed cat in a rocking chair factory. Another, jeremysgirl, said she believes there is a radical left, and she's not sure they're worse than the radical right (I agree, just like both major parties, they both suck.) Where I take exception is when it is generally assumed that those who voted against HRC do so because they are misinformed, ignorant, stupid, in need of intervention and racist, not just misogynist but hate women and plain out evil. We have our reasons. And if asked, I'm not afraid to speak to them. That said, it gets tiresome sitting around here with a majority of keyboard warriors that wouldn't and couldn't engage in an actual real world conversation without resorting to name calling. Conversation, not a finger pointing pissing contest while surrounded by 300 of HRC's fangirls. I know alot of people in real life that I respect and enjoy that supported HRC, and very very few of them would have worn a pussy hat (around here though, that's a badge of honor.) There are a ton of issues for which we agree to disagree, but even more where we are 100% in agreement. 
