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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 6:04:10 GMT
I just looked at the IG story and couldn’t believe that April would say, “ghetto setup” for her camera setup. I wrote her to let her know how offensive, deplorable and racist, classist... that statement was. She has got to understand the loaded history associated with that term and to use it on a business account. I will never buy another thing from her company or any affiliated brand again. I’m disgusted!
Let me be clear, I have had to speak out twice last year to two separate people about perpetuating racial stereotypes as comedic too. There is great privilege in getting to say “ghetto” or throwing a hoodie on and hash tagging thug life for White women when people are dying for these acts or stereotypes or being oppressed and contained in neighborhoods because of redlining laws, etc and labeled ghetto.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Feb 6, 2019 6:26:15 GMT
She's a clueless middle aged white woman from a farm in Kentucky (or Tennessee). Keep us posted if she actually responds. She is not known for her ability to self-reflect/correct or apologize.
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Post by pancakes on Feb 6, 2019 7:38:01 GMT
I don’t know that I would personally go as far to say that I wouldn’t purchase anything from Inked for this reason, but she’s clearly in the wrong. I just don’t think she’s aware of the meaning of the word or ever thought about how it’s tied to oppression, esp of Jews and blacks. That’s no excuse, as she should know in this day and age, but I would’ve given her the opportunity to apologize and recant after she was made aware.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 6, 2019 12:45:58 GMT
If you like her products, then if she apologizes and is now 'educated' about the term, then buy from her. If she just doesn't care, then don't.
I've been noticing an increase in jumping to extremes before an effort has been made to inform. I learn things on this board every day. Ignorance can change.
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Post by pelirroja on Feb 6, 2019 12:56:46 GMT
Ignorance can change. But narcissism usually doesn't.
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Post by pastlifepea on Feb 6, 2019 13:13:43 GMT
She should have used "janky." Or "janky ass" if she favors a little cussin'. Just saying.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 6, 2019 14:35:38 GMT
Ignorance can change. But narcissism usually doesn't. I don't know this person referenced at all. Never heard of her but I do hope she would have the sense God gave a goose, haha!
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Post by hop2 on Feb 6, 2019 14:38:17 GMT
I just looked at the IG story and couldn’t believe that April would say, “ghetto setup” for her camera setup. I wrote her to let her know how offensive, deplorable and racist that statement was. She has got to understand the loaded history associated with that term and to use it on a business account. I will never buy another thing from her company or any affiliated brand again. I’m disgusted! Let me be clear, I have had to speak out twice last year to two separate people about perpetuating racial stereotypes as comedic too. There is great privilege in getting to say “ghetto” or throwing a hoodie on and hash tagging thug life for White women when people are dying for these acts or stereotypes or being oppressed and contained in neighborhoods because of redlining laws, etc and labeled ghetto. Pretty much all ‘definitions’ of ghetto are offensive. It’s either racist, classist or anti semetic. Is there a ‘good’ definition of ghetto? What am I missing Is her camera set up going to a concentration camp next? WTF
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 15:12:29 GMT
I don’t know that I would personally go as far to say that I wouldn’t purchase anything from Inked for this reason, but she’s clearly in the wrong. I just don’t think she’s aware of the meaning of the word or ever thought about how it’s tied to oppression, esp of Jews and blacks. That’s no excuse, as she should know in this day and age, but I would’ve given her the opportunity to apologize and recant after she was made aware. I understand your personal position, but I would also like you to understand mine as a Black woman, in the U.S. where apologies are often given out with little change. There is great privilege in you not having "to go so far."
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 15:15:54 GMT
If you like her products, then if she apologizes and is now 'educated' about the term, then buy from her. If she just doesn't care, then don't. I've been noticing an increase in jumping to extremes before an effort has been made to inform. I learn things on this board every day. Ignorance can change. There is a great privilege in not having the need to "jump to extremes," As a White woman in the U.S. and a business owner that serves a diverse group ethnically and intergenerational, etc April should have taken the time to educate herself without me having to do that for her. It is not my job to cater to her not educate her. Why is it assumed that I must serve her to get her to a greater understanding, can she not do that for herself if indeed she innately wanted to change?
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Post by julie5 on Feb 6, 2019 15:18:24 GMT
I don’t know that I would personally go as far to say that I wouldn’t purchase anything from Inked for this reason, but she’s clearly in the wrong. I just don’t think she’s aware of the meaning of the word or ever thought about how it’s tied to oppression, esp of Jews and blacks. That’s no excuse, as she should know in this day and age, but I would’ve given her the opportunity to apologize and recant after she was made aware. I understand your personal position, but I would also like you to understand mine as a Black woman, in the U.S. where apologies are often given out with little change. There is great privilege in you not having "to go so far." April is a piece of shit in every sense of the word. Which is why her business is falling apart even though very few know this newest piece of racist info coming out of her mouth. She’s also parlaying their money into investment properties in Nashville so even though inked is a failing brand, she’ll continue to live well under the umbrellas they have created with investment income.
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Post by julie5 on Feb 6, 2019 15:20:35 GMT
If you like her products, then if she apologizes and is now 'educated' about the term, then buy from her. If she just doesn't care, then don't. I've been noticing an increase in jumping to extremes before an effort has been made to inform. I learn things on this board every day. Ignorance can change. There is a great privilege in not having the need to "jump to extremes," As a White woman in the U.S. and a business owner that serves a diverse group ethnically and intergenerational, etc April should have taken the time to educate herself without me having to do that for her. It is not my job to cater to her not educate her. Why is it assumed that I must serve her to get her to a greater understanding, can she not do that for herself if indeed she innately wanted to change? I agree with this. Why the hell should her audience have to educate her about racist comments??? It is 2019 right? What rock do you have to live under to still be saying stupid shit like this?
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 15:20:58 GMT
I just looked at the IG story and couldn’t believe that April would say, “ghetto setup” for her camera setup. I wrote her to let her know how offensive, deplorable and racist that statement was. She has got to understand the loaded history associated with that term and to use it on a business account. I will never buy another thing from her company or any affiliated brand again. I’m disgusted! Let me be clear, I have had to speak out twice last year to two separate people about perpetuating racial stereotypes as comedic too. There is great privilege in getting to say “ghetto” or throwing a hoodie on and hash tagging thug life for White women when people are dying for these acts or stereotypes or being oppressed and contained in neighborhoods because of redlining laws, etc and labeled ghetto. Pretty much all ‘definitions’ of ghetto are offensive. It’s either racist, classist or anti semetic. Is there a ‘good’ definition of ghetto? What am I missing Is her camera set up going to a concentration camp next? WTF Exactly! The very reason she is using these terms go deeper than, "ignorance," and it's unfortunate that my concerns are labeled as "extreme" or "go as far," while her actions are a tap on the hand. This is what's wrong with so many spaces. Crafters can "go far," when a word is misspelled or for faulty product and leave a brand behind, but how dare you call racist, classist language to the light and you have to educate, and take an apology and still spend your money. No! This is unacceptable.
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Post by pancakes on Feb 6, 2019 15:22:37 GMT
I don’t know that I would personally go as far to say that I wouldn’t purchase anything from Inked for this reason, but she’s clearly in the wrong. I just don’t think she’s aware of the meaning of the word or ever thought about how it’s tied to oppression, esp of Jews and blacks. That’s no excuse, as she should know in this day and age, but I would’ve given her the opportunity to apologize and recant after she was made aware. I understand your personal position, but I would also like you to understand mine as a Black woman, in the U.S. where apologies are often given out with little change. There is great privilege in you not having "to go so far." I hear you. I am also a racial minority. But if there’s anything I’ve learned about people, it’s that reality dictates that humans need education and reminders. I know it’s tiring to have to correct people. But this is the case with people in all matters, even beyond ones as serious as racism. People have to be taught to do things constantly — Recycling. Grammar. Driving skills. General etiquette. Technology. Just examples of things people get wrong over and over again, even if they’re aware or corrected. I know none of these are the same as racial ignorance, but the core mechanics of getting people to change their existing patterns are not dissimilar. I used to expect more out of people. But I don’t anymore because it’s constantly disappointing.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 15:26:26 GMT
She's a clueless middle aged white woman from a farm in Kentucky (or Tennessee). Keep us posted if she actually responds. She is not known for her ability to self-reflect/correct or apologize. I'll definitely keep you all posted. Yet, she's not as clueless as one may believe. If she didn't live in a country that has dealt with systematic oppression I would give her a pass. She's older than me and should have taken the time to educate herself if it was actually of importance to her. If she came online to say this, there are plenty offensive words that she use and is okay with using because she's not oppressed by the language.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 15:39:03 GMT
I understand your personal position, but I would also like you to understand mine as a Black woman, in the U.S. where apologies are often given out with little change. There is great privilege in you not having "to go so far." I hear you. I am also a racial minority. But if there’s anything I’ve learned about people, it’s that reality dictates that humans need education and reminders. I know it’s tiring to have to correct people. But this is the case with people in all matters, even beyond ones as serious as racism. People have to be taught to do things constantly — Recycling. Grammar. Driving skills. General etiquette. Technology. Just examples of things people get wrong over and over again, even if they’re aware or corrected. I know none of these are the same as racial ignorance, but the core mechanics of getting people to change their existing patterns are not dissimilar. I used to expect more out of people. But I don’t anymore because it’s constantly disappointing. Again, I understand this as I am a professor in Urban Education. I teach my students out of service to them, yet I do not need to educate her. I will not and cannot bare the burden of teaching racists how not to be racist--it cannot be the expectation for a marginalized person to serve an oppressor. However, if someone is using and perpetuating oppressive language through any source it is their duty to research as there is so much information out there to get better at being a great human being. If a person can google recipes they can Google anything else they want to learn. Research on systematic oppression is vast--we're centuries into this thing. I appreciate your comment and thanks so much for your feedback. It's the only way we can grow to understanding one another, as cultural nuances exist even with "racial minority" groups.
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 6, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
yet I do not need to educate her. I will not and cannot bare the burden of teaching racists how not to be racist I would like to clarify that I do not think it is your responsibility to educate anyone. I put it in quotes because I think when you let someone know something, as you did in the OP, then she can consider herself "educated" about the issue or concern. Then it is up to her to respond as a person who can't say no one ever told her. But it is not your responsibility. I do not know this woman and never heard of her before this. My comment was saying in general that there is still quite a bit of ignorance that never gets confronted, so people go along feeling ok when they aren't. But I find that some people care about doing better when they know better, myself included.
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Post by mom on Feb 6, 2019 17:29:18 GMT
I am curious - did she delete it from her stories now or did it expire? Just curious because she left a video of Kit sitting on a toilet, panites around her ankles, while pooping in from of Cal and Sam. (seriously? Who posts that to instagram??)
Honestly, I am not surprised that she would think it was ok use say that. She has a history of not being very appropriate, nor will she care if she is corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 17:47:59 GMT
There is a great privilege in not having the need to "jump to extremes," As a White woman in the U.S. and a business owner that serves a diverse group ethnically and intergenerational, etc April should have taken the time to educate herself without me having to do that for her. It is not my job to cater to her not educate her. Why is it assumed that I must serve her to get her to a greater understanding, can she not do that for herself if indeed she innately wanted to change? I agree with this. Why the hell should her audience have to educate her about racist comments??? It is 2019 right? What rock do you have to live under to still be saying stupid shit like this? Playing a little bit of devils advocate... Why is it not okay for a white woman to say it but Latinos, Hispanics, blacks, asians, ect can then use the word? Isn't it still derogatory? Isn't it still referencing negative connotations? Why can people go "oh that ghetto? Oh shit yea that place is even more ghetto than here? Ha, that's the ghetto for you." It is heard daily. From ALL races and genders. I don't use that word because of what it represents and if I want to state poor I say poor. Or use other appropriate words. But others use ghetto to represent poor. I really am curious as to see your responses.
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Post by julie5 on Feb 6, 2019 17:52:08 GMT
I agree with this. Why the hell should her audience have to educate her about racist comments??? It is 2019 right? What rock do you have to live under to still be saying stupid shit like this? Playing a little bit of devils advocate... Why is it not okay for a white woman to say it but Latinos, Hispanics, blacks, asians, ect can then use the word? Isn't it still derogatory? Isn't it still referencing negative connotations? Why can people go "oh that ghetto? Oh shit yea that place is even more ghetto than here? Ha, that's the ghetto for you." It is heard daily. From ALL races and genders. I don't use that word because of what it represents and if I want to state poor I say poor. Or use other appropriate words. But others use ghetto to represent poor. I really am curious as to see your responses. Being a white female American I can’t comment on what other races feel is appropriate to say about their own race. I just know I’m not comfortable saying certain words and phrases. If you want to disparage yourself, by all means go for it. But I won’t do it.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 18:29:12 GMT
I agree with this. Why the hell should her audience have to educate her about racist comments??? It is 2019 right? What rock do you have to live under to still be saying stupid shit like this? Playing a little bit of devils advocate... Why is it not okay for a white woman to say it but Latinos, Hispanics, blacks, asians, ect can then use the word? Isn't it still derogatory? Isn't it still referencing negative connotations? Why can people go "oh that ghetto? Oh shit yea that place is even more ghetto than here? Ha, that's the ghetto for you." It is heard daily. From ALL races and genders. I don't use that word because of what it represents and if I want to state poor I say poor. Or use other appropriate words. But others use ghetto to represent poor. I really am curious as to see your responses. This can be easily researched, but I will drop this here in case someone may wish to use it as a resource in the future: Marginalized groups can act in discriminatory ways and have prejudices—yet, they cannot be racist as they have no power in the U.S. to systematically oppress groups. Therefore, as a White woman or White male you are inherently born into a privilege that ethnically marginalized groups aren’t and with that comes a responsibility not to perpetuate systemic oppression in any way. Other ethnic groups who are dealing with systemic oppression because of redlining, and carceral spaces, etc, because of centuries of systemic oppression can discuss social constructs that affect/effect them. It is not okay for anyone to discriminate. Also, why play devil’s advocate to understand why White people cannot discriminate...no one should, so why would anyone want to participate? As well, vernacular language doesn’t translate well to ethnic and cultural groups outside of the particular group. So, repeating things because you want to look cool can get you into heated dialogues. There is history behind language as a device of separatism its how human taxonomy beget racial stereotypes based on phenotypes—not science and yet it was canonized in anthropology and trickled into what we see in many fields—including here in crafting.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 18:32:47 GMT
I am curious - did she delete it from her stories now or did it expire? Just curious because she left a video of Kit sitting on a toilet, panites around her ankles, while pooping in from of Cal and Sam. (seriously? Who posts that to instagram??) Honestly, I am not surprised that she would think it was ok use say that. She has a history of not being very appropriate, nor will she care if she is corrected. It may have expired it was up for a day.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 6, 2019 18:38:51 GMT
I am curious - did she delete it from her stories now or did it expire? Just curious because she left a video of Kit sitting on a toilet, panites around her ankles, while pooping in from of Cal and Sam. (seriously? Who posts that to instagram??) Honestly, I am not surprised that she would think it was ok use say that. She has a history of not being very appropriate, nor will she care if she is corrected. It may have expired it was up for a day. The ghetto comment was on SC's Stories, Kit on the toilet was on her personal Stories feed.
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Post by julie5 on Feb 6, 2019 18:48:30 GMT
It may have expired it was up for a day. The ghetto comment was on SC's Stories, Kit on the toilet was on her personal Stories feed. I’m blocked from the SC ig so I don’t get to see it. Got to see kit pooping though so my day is made. :eye roll:
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 6, 2019 18:56:56 GMT
amidwestkingdom1. Yes, you're more than allowed to be pissed off; 2. No, you shouldn't be lining her pockets anymore; 3. No, not everyone who isn't black will get your anger; 4. No, the history of systematic oppression isn't the same for all ethnic groups; 5. Yes, I stand with you on this matter. Look, you can't compare talking about bad/poor quality stuff as ghetto and thus associated with the systematic negative treatment of Black people in the US with jokes about any other origin. I can take the French jokes (sure, I am over the whole no-armpit-shaving and unpleasant stereotypes but that's just lack of originality on stereotypers' behalf) but they don't compare to the history of African Americans. History marches on, times change. It's a positive thing that we're socially banning the use of terms to sound cool when they, in fact, refer to a loaded history of inequal treatment of a specific group of people (who were stolen, sold and brought in as slaves with no free will and complete dehumanisation). As a woman, I don't accept men calling me "bitch", I do accept it jokingly with fellow women. As a white person, I don't use the N-word or other references to the oppressed conditions Black people have (and to a certain degree continue to) experienced. Ghetto is not a word that one should use to sound cool. "That's so ghetto" is no longer ok to express something being bad or low quality. I cringe so often these days, I swear. Even if you don't emotionally get it, at least be smart enough not to publicly use it. It's really not that hard. I understand it's not meant with bad intentions but if we don't speak out, we're just accepting that these negative stereotypes continue to be vehiculated outside of their historical context for the sole purpose of sounding cool/in the know. Nope. You don't sound cool to me, you sound passé and unaware of the current context. Words carry meaning. Social sensitivity is vehiculated greatly through them, especially in the digital realm. It's ok not to completely "get" it, but try to educate yourself and read some articles on why these discussions are being held today and why they matter to other people, how your involvement in everyday interaction can help or hinder an important social cause.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 6, 2019 19:04:35 GMT
I do not know this woman and never heard of her before this. There's a thread of over 800 pages dedicated to this woman's poor decision-making and cringe-inducing business decisions on this board.
(Studio Calico and Inked are a world of their own, you're lucky you never had to keep up with April Foster's madness )
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Feb 6, 2019 19:16:26 GMT
amidwestkingdom 1. Yes, you're more than allowed to be pissed off; 2. No, you shouldn't be lining her pockets anymore; 3. No, not everyone who isn't black will get your anger; 4. No, the history of systematic oppression isn't the same for all ethnic groups; 5. Yes, I stand with you on this matter. Look, you can't compare talking about bad/poor quality stuff as ghetto and thus associated with the systematic negative treatment of Black people in the US with jokes about any other origin. I can take the French jokes (sure, I am over the whole no-armpit-shaving and unpleasant stereotypes but that's just lack of originality on stereotypers' behalf) but they don't compare to the history of African Americans. History marches on, times change. It's a positive thing that we're socially banning the use of terms to sound cool when they, in fact, refer to a loaded history of inequal treatment of a specific group of people (who were stolen, sold and brought in as slaves with no free will and complete dehumanisation). As a woman, I don't accept men calling me "bitch", I do accept it jokingly with fellow women. As a white person, I don't use the N-word or other references to the oppressed conditions Black people have (and to a certain degree continue to) experienced. Ghetto is not a word that one should use to sound cool. "That's so ghetto" is no longer ok to express something being bad or low quality. I cringe so often these days, I swear. Even if you don't emotionally get it, at least be smart enough not to publicly use it. It's really not that hard. I understand it's not meant with bad intentions but if we don't speak out, we're just accepting that these negative stereotypes continue to be vehiculated outside of their historical context for the sole purpose of sounding cool/in the know. Nope. You don't sound cool to me, you sound passé and unaware of the current context. Words carry meaning. Social sensitivity is vehiculated greatly through them, especially in the digital realm. It's ok not to completely "get" it, but try to educate yourself and read some articles on why these discussions are being held today and why they matter to other people, how your involvement in everyday interaction can help or hinder an important social cause. Thank you for truly understanding!
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Post by hop2 on Feb 6, 2019 19:31:29 GMT
encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/ghettos A ‘ghetto’ is/was specifically used to contain, seperate & oppress people. Purposefully CREATING ghettos was a TOOL used by the Nazis to contain, seperate, oppress & control people during WW2 ( mostly Jews but others as well ) That bears repeating A ghetto is a specific tool intentionally used to purposefully oppress people. Yes, there are other definitions of ghetto but they are microscopically ‘better’ than a purposeful tool of intentional oppression. Why would any business person want to use a word with those connotations is beyond me.
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Post by dasmith2 on Feb 6, 2019 19:59:08 GMT
encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/ghettos A ‘ghetto’ is/was specifically used to contain, seperate & oppress people. Purposefully CREATING ghettos was a TOOL used by the Nazis to contain, seperate, oppress & control people during WW2 ( mostly Jews but others as well ) That bears repeating A ghetto is a specific tool intentionally used to purposefully oppress people. Yes, there are other definitions of ghetto but they are microscopically ‘better’ than a purposeful tool of intentional oppression. Why would any business person want to use a word with those connotations is beyond me. I honestly didn’t know that, and I honestly didn’t realize it was derogatory. Obviously, I’ve been living under a rock.. I grew up in low income housing and and sometimes I would joke I lived in the ghetto growing up but I really had no idea. I’m grateful that I’ve been made aware
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Feb 6, 2019 20:30:00 GMT
amidwestkingdom 1. Yes, you're more than allowed to be pissed off; 2. No, you shouldn't be lining her pockets anymore; 3. No, not everyone who isn't black will get your anger; 4. No, the history of systematic oppression isn't the same for all ethnic groups; 5. Yes, I stand with you on this matter. Look, you can't compare talking about bad/poor quality stuff as ghetto and thus associated with the systematic negative treatment of Black people in the US with jokes about any other origin. I can take the French jokes (sure, I am over the whole no-armpit-shaving and unpleasant stereotypes but that's just lack of originality on stereotypers' behalf) but they don't compare to the history of African Americans. History marches on, times change. It's a positive thing that we're socially banning the use of terms to sound cool when they, in fact, refer to a loaded history of inequal treatment of a specific group of people (who were stolen, sold and brought in as slaves with no free will and complete dehumanisation). As a woman, I don't accept men calling me "bitch", I do accept it jokingly with fellow women. As a white person, I don't use the N-word or other references to the oppressed conditions Black people have (and to a certain degree continue to) experienced. Ghetto is not a word that one should use to sound cool. "That's so ghetto" is no longer ok to express something being bad or low quality. I cringe so often these days, I swear. Even if you don't emotionally get it, at least be smart enough not to publicly use it. It's really not that hard. I understand it's not meant with bad intentions but if we don't speak out, we're just accepting that these negative stereotypes continue to be vehiculated outside of their historical context for the sole purpose of sounding cool/in the know. Nope. You don't sound cool to me, you sound passé and unaware of the current context. Words carry meaning. Social sensitivity is vehiculated greatly through them, especially in the digital realm. It's ok not to completely "get" it, but try to educate yourself and read some articles on why these discussions are being held today and why they matter to other people, how your involvement in everyday interaction can help or hinder an important social cause. Yes, this! Or even use it at all. There are so many things that I don't 'get' but if I'm told that it's offensive by someone who takes offense to it then it's not that hard to accept that as truth. I can't live life beyond my own statistics so I can't feel a lot of what someone outside of them lives with, but I can take what I'm told at face value and as you said...if I really don't get it and am curious, google is right in front of my face. Trying to tell a POC that something isn't offensive just because you don't find it offensive (or as severely offensive as they do) is the white equivalent of mansplaining...whitesplaning if you will.
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