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Post by sabrinae on Feb 9, 2019 16:50:56 GMT
It is a lack of compassion. If you cannot comprehend that the 1% of later term abortions, ie ending of pregnancy after about 20 weeks, are very sad, very heartbreaking and generally lethal situations, you have zero compassion for anyone- mother or baby. I am not talking about "killing babies in the womb." I am talking about delivering babies and saving the lives of moms and sometimes even saving the lives of the babies in the process. But the problem is that those who are on the pro-life side generally cannot be bothered to comprehend that these very things I am describing are ALSO ABORTIONS. Definitions can be hard to grasp. Abortion is ending a pregnancy prior to term, no matter how or when it is done. Abortion does not mean the death of the baby. So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose? You clearly don’t understand the definition of abortion as Melissa, obstetrician, has provided it to you. I’ve been in the situation— mine was I thin less heartbreaking as the development stopped early on the pregnancy. I still had an abortion. I also hemorrhages and almost died. I would have left my the 5 and 3 year old motherless.
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Post by Country Ham on Feb 9, 2019 17:01:21 GMT
(I don't believe the GOP in Washington or Texas reflects the views of most real-life conservatives, just as AOC frankly doesn't reflect the views of most people who identify as liberal.) For the wife of a pastor you amaze me at times. These 2 sentences here struck a chord with me. By the way I loved your second reply to me.I think the reason the party leaders don't reflect the day to day realities/views of their party members is that we often expect the leaders to represent the hard core party lines even if we don't live along those lines ourselves. As the wife of our churches' only pastor I live that life. Church members expect us to live some kind of idealized Christian life they would never expect of themselves. This town is small I know for a fact about 80% of the congregants enjoy a drink but if were to be seen having a glass of wine my husband would be fired. I know that almost all the women in my age group and younger have read the Shades of Grey books and seen the movies. If i was to be seen sitting in that theater we would be chastised. I try and tell folks if they do it, see it, or relate to it so do I. If they struggle with something so do I. But so much of my life is seen through the filter "as a pastor's wife you... ". Fishbowl living is so bloody hard. Crazy thing.. I enjoy a glass of wine. But it's in the privacy of my home hoping no one finds out. I loved the movie Mom's Night Out. I have a group of women around me that have gotten to know me. None are in my church because I have this unrealistic image that they have placed on me.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 17:03:17 GMT
So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose? You clearly don’t understand the definition of abortion as Melissa, obstetrician, has provided it to you. I’ve been in the situation— mine was I thin less heartbreaking as the development stopped early on the pregnancy. I still had an abortion. I also hemorrhages and almost died. I would have left my the 5 and 3 year old motherless. How do you know I don't?! I clearly understand but every situation is different as is mine. I know people that have had miscarriages. I CLEARLY get the difference between the two I knew several other heartbreaking scenerios. It should be no ones right to judge even if you've been there.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 9, 2019 17:13:14 GMT
Shit like this is why I will NEVER, and I mean NEVER listen to any religious opinion on reproductive rights for women. NOTE: that's "reproductive rights for women" as determined by law, not the concept of "abortion" as defined by non-medical professionals. Abortion is a thing that happens and always will, regardless of how it is legislated. My goal is to protect the RIGHTS of women to control their own reproductive status, to make sure that laws do not restrict women's freedoms. Science or GTFO.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 9, 2019 17:20:12 GMT
I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice. And yes, it is my body not yours nor any mans. Therefore, my choice.
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Post by busy on Feb 9, 2019 17:20:54 GMT
I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice. And yes, it is my body not yours nor any mans. Therefore, my choice. No one is pro-abortion.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 9, 2019 17:23:51 GMT
I am not pro abortion, but I am pro choice. And yes, it is my body not yours nor any mans. Therefore, my choice. No one is pro-abortion. Thank you.
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Post by trollie on Feb 9, 2019 17:42:40 GMT
Seriously.....Your thread title begs for attention. That title is probably the most effective way to garner responses.
That said, I am 100% pro choice. Not pro abortion, pro you and your health care professional determining what is the best course of action for your medical situation. Trust me when I say that women aren't gleefully terminating pregnancies in their 2nd and 3rd trimesters.
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 9, 2019 18:14:43 GMT
I am the pea who suggested that the OP delete. I had posted it underneath her OP, because I had the sense that she was hurting. In this instance no one had posted, so I figured it would be OK. Unfortunately, others saw it before the OP could delete. It appeared to me that the OP was hurting and that a pile-on would be be the antithesis of what she needed in that moment. However, it seems to be a calm thread, for the most part.
At my age it's easy to carry my opinion, but I can't speak for a woman of childbearing years or a 15 year old. Having had an 11.5 week m/c of twins, something I'm told is not uncommon, I can't say that I would ever have an abortion, but I can't say that you should not. What I can do is empathize with other women and hope that they have a lot of support for whichever choice they make.
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Post by sueg on Feb 9, 2019 18:22:11 GMT
I am so incredibly lucky that I was never in the position where I had an unwanted pregnancy. Unplanned, perhaps, but in a long-term, stable marriage, conceived in an act of love. I cannot imagine being so arrogant as to say definitively what I would or would not do. I don’t *think* I could have an abortion, but I was never pregnant because I was raped. I was never pregnant when I was a teenager. I was never pregnant when I didn’t have a partner. I was never pregnant when I was homeless. I was never pregnant with a terminally ill baby. I was never pregnant when I was at my last, struggling to hold on to any sense of sanity, while trying to provide for the children I already had, who needed food, shelter, and love. I am so incredibly lucky, but not everyone is. You have very eloquently stated my opinion. It is easy to say 'never' from a position of comfort, or - in my case - knowing I am past the time of ever needing to make that choice. I have had friends who have found out they were carrying a baby with a condition not compatible with life outside the womb, and one whose first had Down Syndrome, and had all the testing possible when pregnant with her second. I do not judge their actions at all.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 9, 2019 18:58:54 GMT
I am so incredibly lucky that I was never in the position where I had an unwanted pregnancy. Unplanned, perhaps, but in a long-term, stable marriage, conceived in an act of love. I cannot imagine being so arrogant as to say definitively what I would or would not do. I don’t *think* I could have an abortion, but I was never pregnant because I was raped. I was never pregnant when I was a teenager. I was never pregnant when I didn’t have a partner. I was never pregnant when I was homeless. I was never pregnant with a terminally ill baby. I was never pregnant when I was at my last, struggling to hold on to any sense of sanity, while trying to provide for the children I already had, who needed food, shelter, and love. I am so incredibly lucky, but not everyone is. This is me, too. I have held the hands of friends who have been faced with an unwanted or nonviable pregnancy and cried with them.
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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 19:14:54 GMT
I too have experienced miscarriages. Four of them, the latest at 13 weeks. They were gut-wrenchingly hard to get through, and yes, I consider them babies.
That said, I am staunchly pro-choice and I don't foresee anything that will ever change my mind on that. I was also raised Catholic and spent most of my life going to church, being active in the church, my children received their sacraments, etc. It was not easy being pro choice when your friends had bumper stickers on their car that said things like, "You can't be pro-choice AND Catholic."
Yet, I was also always amazed at those same friends who were so anti-government helping people who are poor. Those two things never computed in my brain. It's been brought up here even on this thread--how can one be pro-life yet also not want to help provide the things that child needs if they are born into a poor family, which is possibly why the mom is having an abortion. No one ever explains that rationale, and it is frustrating. If you truly want to lower the abortion rate (which it has gone down), address the issues that cause one to have an abortion in the first place. The thinking that Nope, you can't have an abortion, Nope, you can't have access to free or affordable birth control, and NOPE, you can't have assistance once the baby arrives doesn't solve anything.
I think I agree with a lot of what you said here. Maybe the bigger issue isn’t the pro-life or pro-choice. But if we want them to choose life then we have to give them the tools they need to be able to choose life.
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Post by Just T on Feb 9, 2019 19:30:50 GMT
I too have experienced miscarriages. Four of them, the latest at 13 weeks. They were gut-wrenchingly hard to get through, and yes, I consider them babies.
That said, I am staunchly pro-choice and I don't foresee anything that will ever change my mind on that. I was also raised Catholic and spent most of my life going to church, being active in the church, my children received their sacraments, etc. It was not easy being pro choice when your friends had bumper stickers on their car that said things like, "You can't be pro-choice AND Catholic."
Yet, I was also always amazed at those same friends who were so anti-government helping people who are poor. Those two things never computed in my brain. It's been brought up here even on this thread--how can one be pro-life yet also not want to help provide the things that child needs if they are born into a poor family, which is possibly why the mom is having an abortion. No one ever explains that rationale, and it is frustrating. If you truly want to lower the abortion rate (which it has gone down), address the issues that cause one to have an abortion in the first place. The thinking that Nope, you can't have an abortion, Nope, you can't have access to free or affordable birth control, and NOPE, you can't have assistance once the baby arrives doesn't solve anything.
I think I agree with a lot of what you said here. Maybe the bigger issue isn’t the pro-life or pro-choice. But if we want them to choose life then we have to give them the tools they need to be able to choose life. Yes indeed. Like I said, I will always be pro choice because even with tools in place, there will still be women who want/need an abortion for whatever reason, and they should be able to safely have one. I know so many women who had abortions for all sorts of reasons, and not one of them did it cavalierly and without feeling. I know more than one who had them as teenagers because their parents literally said, "Have an abortion, or get out of my house." What do you do as a 15 or 16 year old when that is your only option? Thankfully, I never found myself in that situation, but I can look back on myself as a 16 year old and put myself in that person's shoes. I have written about this before, but in my job, I often encounter women who have had to make heartbreaking decisions about babies/pregnancies that were loved and wanted. I have met women who were 100% pro life when they were young--some who told me they picketed Planned Parenthood and went to marches for life who then were met with news their own baby had a condition that was incompatible with life. I have listened to women sob as they tell me they ended their pregnancy when they never in a million years thought they would. In my job, I have met many women who had to end their pregnancy before the baby was viable because their own health was at risk.
Nothing is ever black or white. There are lots of shades of gray in between. True compassion means being able to see those shades of gray and put yourself in someone else's shoes, even if it is not something you have experienced yourself.
This is one soapbox I will never hop down off of.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 9, 2019 19:38:59 GMT
But it's not. It's not a living, breathing human being. I know this is a sensitive topic to many so I will proceed with caution but I feel the same as izzyscraps the lack of 02 is the very reason I can not have my own children one of the biggest. If it has a heart beat and oxygen- it is a LIVE human being/matter . I can NOT wrap my head around it either. And that is just from what I know and everything and every reason that the Dr's have told me that I can not concieve. And I am so sorry you have had a crappy day and I understand all the factors and emotion that comes with this topic.. agree or not. melissa as some one on that side of it i disagree - it has NOTHING to do with lack of compassion. It certainly does. People are either so ignorant or have no empathy that they can’t bother to try to understand that there are many reasons women have an abortion. I know someone who has a genetic disorder that greatly affects her life. She did not know what type of disorder she had until after she lost her second baby (one at hours old and the next at 6 weeks). The second baby was diagnosed with the same disorder. She was sexually assaulted shortly after the birth of the second baby and became pregnant. She planned to have an abortion because she couldn’t bear to lose another baby. anyone who said that she shouldn’t have the right to terminate that pregnancy has no compassion IMO. And one person having an abortion doesn’t take away someone else’s chance to conceive.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 19:39:21 GMT
I think I agree with a lot of what you said here. Maybe the bigger issue isn’t the pro-life or pro-choice. But if we want them to choose life then we have to give them the tools they need to be able to choose life. Yes indeed. Like I said, I will always be pro choice because even with tools in place, there will still be women who want/need an abortion for whatever reason, and they should be able to safely have one. I know so many women who had abortions for all sorts of reasons, and not one of them did it cavalierly and without feeling. I know more than one who had them as teenagers because their parents literally said, "Have an abortion, or get out of my house." What do you do as a 15 or 16 year old when that is your only option? Thankfully, I never found myself in that situation, but I can look back on myself as a 16 year old and put myself in that person's shoes. I have written about this before, but in my job, I often encounter women who have had to make heartbreaking decisions about babies/pregnancies that were loved and wanted. I have met women who were 100% pro life when they were young--some who told me they picketed Planned Parenthood and went to marches for life who then were met with news their own baby had a condition that was incompatible with life. I have listened to women sob as they tell me they ended their pregnancy when they never in a million years thought they would. In my job, I have met many women who had to end their pregnancy before the baby was viable because their own health was at risk.
Nothing is ever black or white. There are lots of shades of gray in between. True compassion means being able to see those shades of gray and put yourself in someone else's shoes, even if it is not something you have experienced yourself.
This is one soapbox I will never hop down off of.
this is beautifully written.. well said thank you!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 9, 2019 19:46:11 GMT
“It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? ” My co-worker is fostering 2 children that are part of a family of 6 kids. They all have the same 2 parents but the parents did something so horrible or are locked up that that the kids never see them. I thought to myself, how does someone have 6 kids in a committed relationship but their life is a shit show? It must have been someone who didn’t have access to birth control for whatever reason. I don’t know can low income no insurance people get free birth control? Is it only the pill or an easier method like an implant or iud which might work better for the person who can’t remember to take a pill everyday? Yes they can get birth control if they insurance, which mostly she does if she was pregnant. Some people don’t use it.
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Post by busy on Feb 9, 2019 19:46:46 GMT
izzyscraps I am curious what you think the correct course of action would have been in my situation if abortion is always wrong. I understand you have deeply held convictions, but real life is not always so clean and black and white.
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Post by Just T on Feb 9, 2019 19:56:04 GMT
I know this is a sensitive topic to many so I will proceed with caution but I feel the same as izzyscraps the lack of 02 is the very reason I can not have my own children one of the biggest. If it has a heart beat and oxygen- it is a LIVE human being/matter . I can NOT wrap my head around it either. And that is just from what I know and everything and every reason that the Dr's have told me that I can not concieve. And I am so sorry you have had a crappy day and I understand all the factors and emotion that comes with this topic.. agree or not. melissa as some one on that side of it i disagree - it has NOTHING to do with lack of compassion. It certainly does. People are either so ignorant or have no empathy that they can’t bother to try to understand that there are many reasons women have an abortion. I know someone who has a genetic disorder that greatly affects her life. She did not know what type of disorder she had until after she lost her second baby (one at hours old and the next at 6 weeks). The second baby was diagnosed with the same disorder. She was sexually assaulted shortly after the birth of the second baby and became pregnant. She planned to have an abortion because she couldn’t bear to lose another baby. anyone who said that she shouldn’t have the right to terminate that pregnancy has no compassion IMO. And one person having an abortion doesn’t take away someone else’s chance to conceive. It doesn't, but when you are going through such difficulties trying to have a baby, it can be really hard to wrap your brain around someone you know telling you they had an abortion while you are trying so hard to have your own baby. I was not in that situation, but shortly after my 4th miscarriage, there was a case in the news of a teen having a baby in secret and then throwing it away in a trash can. I was sooooo incredibly angry at God--I was already struggling with my faith, but that sent me over the edge. I didn't go back to church for months after that. I couldn't understand why God would allow someone who was just going to throw their baby in the trash to have one when I couldn't.
Emotions around fertility and conceiving and abortion and having babies can be so confusing and tangled up sometimes. But making abortion illegal isn't going to change any of that.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 9, 2019 20:00:50 GMT
Give access to long term birth control and teen birth and abortion rates dropped significantly in Colorado. It seems like a no brainer to me. Really, truly want to lower abortion rates? Cover birth control 100% whether through private insurance or through state insurance or through grants to places like planned parenthood.
Access to IUDs and other longterm bc whose rates of failure don't depend on human factors.
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Post by johnnysmom on Feb 9, 2019 20:05:07 GMT
I cannot imagine being so arrogant as to say definitively what I would or would not do. I don’t *think* I could have an abortion, but I was never pregnant because I was raped. I was never pregnant when I was a teenager. I was never pregnant when I didn’t have a partner. I was never pregnant when I was homeless. I was never pregnant with a terminally ill baby. I was never pregnant when I was at my last, struggling to hold on to any sense of sanity, while trying to provide for the children I already had, who needed food, shelter, and love. I am so incredibly lucky, but not everyone is. Exactly the way I look at it. I look at the 'what-ifs' of life. What if I'd become pregnant as a teen? It could have happened, fortunately it didn't. What if when we went thru fertility treatments all the eggs took? We had to agree to selective reduction before we could proceed, fortunately only 1 took so the decision was made for us. What if those prenatal tests we did revealed something? Fortunately they didn't. We were so incredibly fortunate that we never had to make the decision, but what-if??
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 9, 2019 20:06:47 GMT
It certainly does. People are either so ignorant or have no empathy that they can’t bother to try to understand that there are many reasons women have an abortion. I know someone who has a genetic disorder that greatly affects her life. She did not know what type of disorder she had until after she lost her second baby (one at hours old and the next at 6 weeks). The second baby was diagnosed with the same disorder. She was sexually assaulted shortly after the birth of the second baby and became pregnant. She planned to have an abortion because she couldn’t bear to lose another baby. anyone who said that she shouldn’t have the right to terminate that pregnancy has no compassion IMO. And one person having an abortion doesn’t take away someone else’s chance to conceive. It doesn't, but when you are going through such difficulties trying to have a baby, it can be really hard to wrap your brain around someone you know telling you they had an abortion while you are trying so hard to have your own baby. I was not in that situation, but shortly after my 4th miscarriage, there was a case in the news of a teen having a baby in secret and then throwing it away in a trash can. I was sooooo incredibly angry at God--I was already struggling with my faith, but that sent me over the edge. I didn't go back to church for months after that. I couldn't understand why God would allow someone who was just going to throw their baby in the trash to have one when I couldn't.
Emotions around fertility and conceiving and abortion and having babies can be so confusing and tangled up sometimes. But making abortion illegal isn't going to change any of that.
It took me four years to get pregnant with my first. During that time my job was to supervise visits between parents and their kids who were in foster care. I had a lot of resentment that people who clearly couldn’t or wouldn’t take care of their kids could get pregnant and I couldn’t. That was compounded by people saying “it will happen if it is meant to happen.” I had a lot of pain and hard feelings when someone that I knew got pregnant. But I can’t say that I ever wanted to take away someone else’s right to choose. And when people started talking about “ripping full term babies from the womb” I took the time to learn about late term abortion and why it is important for them to be legal. I wish everyone would do that.
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Post by georgiapea on Feb 9, 2019 20:13:22 GMT
We have control over our own bodies. What other people do with their bodies is none of our business.
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Post by Just T on Feb 9, 2019 20:14:49 GMT
It doesn't, but when you are going through such difficulties trying to have a baby, it can be really hard to wrap your brain around someone you know telling you they had an abortion while you are trying so hard to have your own baby. I was not in that situation, but shortly after my 4th miscarriage, there was a case in the news of a teen having a baby in secret and then throwing it away in a trash can. I was sooooo incredibly angry at God--I was already struggling with my faith, but that sent me over the edge. I didn't go back to church for months after that. I couldn't understand why God would allow someone who was just going to throw their baby in the trash to have one when I couldn't.
Emotions around fertility and conceiving and abortion and having babies can be so confusing and tangled up sometimes. But making abortion illegal isn't going to change any of that.
It took me four years to get pregnant with my first. During that time my job was to supervise visits between parents and their kids who were in foster care. I had a lot of resentment that people who clearly couldn’t or wouldn’t take care of their kids could get pregnant and I couldn’t. That was compounded by people saying “it will happen if it is meant to happen.” I had a lot of pain and hard feelings when someone that I knew got pregnant. But I can’t say that I ever wanted to take away someone else’s right to choose. And when people started talking about “ripping full term babies from the womb” I took the time to learn about late term abortion and why it is important for them to be legal. I wish everyone would do that. Me too, Kristin. Me too. I remember years ago when "partial birth abortion" was the hot political topic. I hate how politicized it is still today. Those politicians who try to make us think that women get close to full term when they suddenly decide they don't want their baby so they can just kill it are infuriating to me. The gross cartoons people post on Facebook about late term abortions infuriate me. I have met so many parents who had these late term abortions, and none of them were anything like what many on the pro life spectrum imagine them to be. None of them had babies ripped from their wombs. The majority of them delivered their baby as any mom does. They were able to spend time with their baby, take photos, etc. Like you said, people need to educate themselves. But sadly, many don't want to.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 9, 2019 20:28:03 GMT
It is a lack of compassion. If you cannot comprehend that the 1% of later term abortions, ie ending of pregnancy after about 20 weeks, are very sad, very heartbreaking and generally lethal situations, you have zero compassion for anyone- mother or baby. I am not talking about "killing babies in the womb." I am talking about delivering babies and saving the lives of moms and sometimes even saving the lives of the babies in the process. But the problem is that those who are on the pro-life side generally cannot be bothered to comprehend that these very things I am describing are ALSO ABORTIONS. Definitions can be hard to grasp. Abortion is ending a pregnancy prior to term, no matter how or when it is done. Abortion does not mean the death of the baby. So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose? The point is that everyone should have a choice. Which one you or I would choose doesn’t matter. The ability to have a choice so what we are talking about.
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 9, 2019 22:23:03 GMT
“It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? ” My co-worker is fostering 2 children that are part of a family of 6 kids. They all have the same 2 parents but the parents did something so horrible or are locked up that that the kids never see them. I thought to myself, how does someone have 6 kids in a committed relationship but their life is a shit show? It must have been someone who didn’t have access to birth control for whatever reason. I don’t know can low income no insurance people get free birth control? Is it only the pill or an easier method like an implant or iud which might work better for the person who can’t remember to take a pill everyday? Yes they can get birth control if they insurance, which mostly she does if she was pregnant. Some people don’t use it. And no birth control method is 100% effective except abstinence, which is obviously unrealistic for most people. Even if you faithfully take the pill, always use condoms, have an IUD, etc you can still have an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy. I am 100% percent pro choice, and I don’t even care what the reason is. It isn’t anyone else’s business but the woman’s if she has an abortion due to health concerns (hers or the babies), because of the way she became pregnant (rape, molestation), or because her birth control failed. I can’t imagine any woman making the decision to have an abortion lightly.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 10, 2019 0:10:06 GMT
If there's one thing I'm absolutely 100% sure of - it's that pregnancy, abortion and infertility are all signs that life is just not fair. We can have compassion for all those who've been kicked in the face by life. My oldest, dearest friend is not able to conceive. And yes, it hurts her heart to know there are hundreds of thousands of healthy fetuses aborted every year. And yes that is a reality of the abortion discussion. It's more pleasant to talk about the health of the mother and an nonviable fetus, but the majority of abortions are early terminations as the pregnancy is unwanted and neither the health of the mother of fetus is in question. Is she pro-choice - yes, but it doesn't make her any less confused at why in the world these women are facing an unwanted pregnancy and she is desperate for a child and cannot have one. And it is exacerbated by the difficulty of in country adoption. It's actually pretty damn hard to adopt an infant in this country. I can't fault them for their pain. It also doesn't make me less pro-choice. I know that the reality is there are any number of reasons why a pregnancy may need to be terminated and the last thing I would want is an arbitrary government body making intimate decisions for a woman. I'm a small government advocate with faith in the people and there's nothing small government about that. At the end of the day, my time and energy is spent on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies. As the more we can support women in having choice in when to begin a family, the less we'll need to see that life isn't fair and pregnancy has little to do with deserving or ready or any other metric.
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Sarah*H
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 10, 2019 1:12:26 GMT
You clearly don’t understand the definition of abortion as Melissa, obstetrician, has provided it to you. I’ve been in the situation— mine was I thin less heartbreaking as the development stopped early on the pregnancy. I still had an abortion. I also hemorrhages and almost died. I would have left my the 5 and 3 year old motherless. How do you know I don't?! I clearly understand but every situation is different as is mine. I know people that have had miscarriages. I CLEARLY get the difference between the two I knew several other heartbreaking scenerios. It should be no ones right to judge even if you've been there. I think I’m unclear what you’re advocating/what your position is. Given all of your health issues, if you HAD gotten pregnant, what would you have done? The baby could not survive and apparently your own life would have been at risk. And beyond that, are you suggesting that it’s up to the government and/or evangelicals to tell you that you don’t have a choice? That someone in your position should just carry the baby and deal with the inevitable, horrible outcome?
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azredhead
Drama Llama
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Jun 25, 2014 22:49:18 GMT
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Post by azredhead on Feb 10, 2019 1:30:32 GMT
How do you know I don't?! I clearly understand but every situation is different as is mine. I know people that have had miscarriages. I CLEARLY get the difference between the two I knew several other heartbreaking scenerios. It should be no ones right to judge even if you've been there. I think I’m unclear what you’re advocating/what your position is. Given all of your health issues, if you HAD gotten pregnant, what would you have done? The baby could not survive and apparently your own life would have been at risk. And beyond that, are you suggesting that it’s up to the government and/or evangelicals to tell you that you don’t have a choice? That someone in your position should just carry the baby and deal with the inevitable, horrible outcome? No actually just the opposite. Backing out may delete my posts it too confusing to explain.. I'm not as eleqouent with my words as I wish either.. I don't want to be called judgemental or uneducated either.. I've seen both sides of it and from what I've read and knowing what some here have posted my heart hurts for anyone in the postition to decide life or death I don't Judge anyone!
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