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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 3:14:12 GMT
This is not gonna be a popular or good post. So I deleted it.
Only a few saw it. I posted hastily.
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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 3:17:33 GMT
Well I tried to delete as soon as I posted cuz I posted hastily. But I can’t figure out how.
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Post by dudleypippen on Feb 9, 2019 3:18:55 GMT
I’ve had a really crappy day so I won’t respond to most of your post, other than to point out that technically a fetus is not “breathing.”
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 9, 2019 3:20:44 GMT
This is not gonna be a popular or good post. But how do people think it’s ok to kill babies? And don’t tell me it’s not a baby....cuz it is. And everybody knows it’s a baby. And forget the stupid argument of it’s my body. I can do what I want. Well honestly it’s not Just your body. It’s the body of another human being and you are taking his/her life away. How is that fair? It’s a baby. A living, breathing human being and people are fighting to have them killed. I just don’t understand this world. Why are people even thinking that this is ok? But it's not. It's not a living, breathing human being.
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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 3:23:43 GMT
I’ve had a really crappy day so I won’t respond to most of your post, other than to point out that technically a fetus is not “breathing.” Technically you’re right. They are not ‘breathing’. But they receive oxygen rich blood in the womb. The mother breathes out for the baby when carbon dioxide is moved out through the placenta to the mother’s blood. Still receiving oxygen. Still alive. Still a human.
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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 3:26:06 GMT
This is not gonna be a popular or good post. But how do people think it’s ok to kill babies? And don’t tell me it’s not a baby....cuz it is. And everybody knows it’s a baby. And forget the stupid argument of it’s my body. I can do what I want. Well honestly it’s not Just your body. It’s the body of another human being and you are taking his/her life away. How is that fair? It’s a baby. A living, breathing human being and people are fighting to have them killed. I just don’t understand this world. Why are people even thinking that this is ok? But it's not. It's not a living, breathing human being. How is it not a human being?
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Post by melissa on Feb 9, 2019 3:31:42 GMT
Seriously. How can people not have an ounce of compassion for others? How can people not be bothered to educate themselves? How can people continually attempt to impose their own values, at least what they think are their own values on others? I really do not understand that because until you've walked in someone else's shoes, you only *think* you understand. I think soda is poison. So many chemicals that poison the body. The crazy amount of sugar or artificial sweetener in them creates havoc on the body and can eventually result in premature death. I don't drink diet or regular soda. Yet, if you want to have a Diet Coke and keep drinking Diet Coke, I'm not going to stop you. My health insurance rates are affected because you probably cannot afford to pay out of pocket for all your health care costs, yet I'm not protesting your choice to drink Diet Coke (or regular Coke or Pepsi). I have come to the conclusion that single man and woman that I see that makes a statement like the OP is someone who is either uneducated and cannot be bothered to educate themselves or someone with zero compassion for others, or some combination of the two. I think they are actually monstrous for what they would be doing to women in some catastrophic situations. It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? But what's in the news lately is the so called "late term abortion." It's an interesting term because it's not actually a medical term. Yet, it's now a phrase that seems to be everywhere and so many don't have a clue what it is that they are really against. Read the explanation from the actual experts. www.acog.org/-/media/Departments/Government-Relations-and-Outreach/Facts-Are-Important_Abortion-Care-Later-In-Pregnancy-February-2019-College.pdf?dmc=1&ts=20190205T2205418389***I took the bait because just maybe one person will change their tune. Probably not the OP. Probably won't come back to this thread because I've already said it all too many times. It's getting old. No one seems to be listening to actual science, actual physicians, actual moms who were in these situations. I just do not know how to change it. Links go unread. There's no thinking. And most of all, what is terrifying, is the lack of compassion.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 3:32:01 GMT
This is not gonna be a popular or good post. But how do people think it’s ok to kill babies? And don’t tell me it’s not a baby....cuz it is. And everybody knows it’s a baby. And forget the stupid argument of it’s my body. I can do what I want. Well honestly it’s not Just your body. It’s the body of another human being and you are taking his/her life away. How is that fair? It’s a baby. A living, breathing human being and people are fighting to have them killed. I just don’t understand this world. Why are people even thinking that this is ok? But it's not. It's not a living, breathing human being. I know this is a sensitive topic to many so I will proceed with caution but I feel the same as izzyscraps the lack of 02 is the very reason I can not have my own children one of the biggest. If it has a heart beat and oxygen- it is a LIVE human being/matter . I can NOT wrap my head around it either. And that is just from what I know and everything and every reason that the Dr's have told me that I can not concieve. And I am so sorry you have had a crappy day and I understand all the factors and emotion that comes with this topic.. agree or not. melissa as some one on that side of it i disagree - it has NOTHING to do with lack of compassion.
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Post by annabella on Feb 9, 2019 3:33:05 GMT
Unless you’re fostering child and adopting 10 others from developing countries, what do you care what someone else does with their body? Concern yourself with the migrant children dying on our border.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 3:34:29 GMT
Unless you’re fostering child and adopting 10 others from developing countries, what do you care what someone else does with their body? Concern yourself with the migrant children dying on our border. SERIOUSLY!?!
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Post by peatlejuice on Feb 9, 2019 3:36:20 GMT
This is not gonna be a popular or good post. But how do people think it’s ok to kill babies? And don’t tell me it’s not a baby....cuz it is. And everybody knows it’s a baby. And forget the stupid argument of it’s my body. I can do what I want. Well honestly it’s not Just your body. It’s the body of another human being and you are taking his/her life away. How is that fair? It’s a baby. A living, breathing human being and people are fighting to have them killed. I just don’t understand this world. Why are people even thinking that this is ok? My short answers, because I'm not in the mood to really debate this tonight. I believe there is a difference between viable and non-viable life. To me, a non-viable fetus that isn't sentient isn't a baby, per se. They aren't living, breathing humans if they are non-viable. The woman carrying the fetus, however, is a living, breathing human, and she deserves full bodily autonomy. Always. Cancerous tumors are also growing clumps of cells, but we don't tell people to just carry the tumor. The vast majority of late term abortions are done because the fetus is non-viable or the mother's life is in danger. There isn't a widespread trend of women lining up to terminate healthy, viable pregnancies. And the laws protecting late term abortions (which I assume is what you reference in "fighting to kill them") don't allow for the termination of a healthy pregnancy either. ETA: I know you tried to delete this, but honestly, I think you need to own it.
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Post by dudleypippen on Feb 9, 2019 3:38:16 GMT
Seriously. How can people not have an ounce of compassion for others? How can people not be bothered to educate themselves? How can people continually attempt to impose their own values, at least what they think are their own values on others? I really do not understand that because until you've walked in someone else's shoes, you only *think* you understand. I think soda is poison. So many chemicals that poison the body. The crazy amount of sugar or artificial sweetener in them creates havoc on the body and can eventually result in premature death. I don't drink diet or regular soda. Yet, if you want to have a Diet Coke and keep drinking Diet Coke, I'm not going to stop you. My health insurance rates are affected because you probably cannot afford to pay out of pocket for all your health care costs, yet I'm not protesting your choice to drink Diet Coke (or regular Coke or Pepsi). I have come to the conclusion that single man and woman that I see that makes a statement like the OP is someone who is either uneducated and cannot be bothered to educate themselves or someone with zero compassion for others, or some combination of the two. I think they are actually monstrous for what they would be doing to women in some catastrophic situations. It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? But what's in the news lately is the so called "late term abortion." It's an interesting term because it's not actually a medical term. Yet, it's now a phrase that seems to be everywhere and so many don't have a clue what it is that they are really against. Read the explanation from the actual experts. www.acog.org/-/media/Departments/Government-Relations-and-Outreach/Facts-Are-Important_Abortion-Care-Later-In-Pregnancy-February-2019-College.pdf?dmc=1&ts=20190205T2205418389***I took the bait because just maybe one person will change their tune. Probably not the OP. Probably won't come back to this thread because I've already said it all too many times. It's getting old. No one seems to be listening to actual science, actual physicians, actual moms who were in these situations. I just do not know how to change it. Links go unread. There's no thinking. And most of all, what is terrifying, is the lack of compassion. You said this much more eloquently than I could have. As I said, I’ve had a crappy day, part of it in caring for a newly diagnosed anencephalic pregnancy. The last thing my heart can bear right now is the scorn and judgement of people far removed from the situation.
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Post by annabella on Feb 9, 2019 3:38:29 GMT
“It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? ”
My co-worker is fostering 2 children that are part of a family of 6 kids. They all have the same 2 parents but the parents did something so horrible or are locked up that that the kids never see them. I thought to myself, how does someone have 6 kids in a committed relationship but their life is a shit show? It must have been someone who didn’t have access to birth control for whatever reason. I don’t know can low income no insurance people get free birth control? Is it only the pill or an easier method like an implant or iud which might work better for the person who can’t remember to take a pill everyday?
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Post by lesley on Feb 9, 2019 3:42:25 GMT
Seriously. How can people not have an ounce of compassion for others? How can people not be bothered to educate themselves? How can people continually attempt to impose their own values, at least what they think are their own values on others? I really do not understand that because until you've walked in someone else's shoes, you only *think* you understand. I think soda is poison. So many chemicals that poison the body. The crazy amount of sugar or artificial sweetener in them creates havoc on the body and can eventually result in premature death. I don't drink diet or regular soda. Yet, if you want to have a Diet Coke and keep drinking Diet Coke, I'm not going to stop you. My health insurance rates are affected because you probably cannot afford to pay out of pocket for all your health care costs, yet I'm not protesting your choice to drink Diet Coke (or regular Coke or Pepsi). I have come to the conclusion that single man and woman that I see that makes a statement like the OP is someone who is either uneducated and cannot be bothered to educate themselves or someone with zero compassion for others, or some combination of the two. I think they are actually monstrous for what they would be doing to women in some catastrophic situations. It's also quite ironic that the same people who get all up in arms about the concept of abortion (which ONLY means ending a pregnancy, it does not mean that the baby necessarily dies) do nothing about decreasing abortions. It's well proven that the best way to decrease first trimester terminations is to increase the availability of birth control. Yet these same people tend to be against Obamacare, the very package that brought free birth control to the masses in the US which directly decreased the number of terminations, all terminations. It's funny, isn't it? But what's in the news lately is the so called "late term abortion." It's an interesting term because it's not actually a medical term. Yet, it's now a phrase that seems to be everywhere and so many don't have a clue what it is that they are really against. Read the explanation from the actual experts. www.acog.org/-/media/Departments/Government-Relations-and-Outreach/Facts-Are-Important_Abortion-Care-Later-In-Pregnancy-February-2019-College.pdf?dmc=1&ts=20190205T2205418389***I took the bait because just maybe one person will change their tune. Probably not the OP. Probably won't come back to this thread because I've already said it all too many times. It's getting old. No one seems to be listening to actual science, actual physicians, actual moms who were in these situations. I just do not know how to change it. Links go unread. There's no thinking. And most of all, what is terrifying, is the lack of compassion. Why of course there's compassion melissa! There's compassion for the foetus, sorry 'baby'. Not for the mother, no, no, no. She should never have got pregnant! And that compassion? There until the child is born. After that, well... (Sarcasm, in case anyone is confused.)
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 9, 2019 3:43:03 GMT
Most women choose abortion because they feel that there is no better option. I have known a few women who have had them. Two were in emotionally abusive relationshionships and the other would have been thrown out of her parents house. None of them were happy about their decision, but knew in their heart that it was the right thing to do. Who am I to pass judgement on their decision?
What I find interesting about so many pro-life people is that their desire to support human life seems to end when the baby exits the vagina. Mom needs healthcare? Too bad. Baby needs food or childcare or a safe school? Too bad.
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Post by melissa on Feb 9, 2019 3:43:56 GMT
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 3:51:05 GMT
Right cause women are so damn judgmental? That's rich to say and not know the medical circumstances? And yet site them to make their argument?! Unless you've walked you don't know. I've walked and know a few others that have..
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Post by pmm on Feb 9, 2019 3:53:38 GMT
You said this much more eloquently than I could have. As I said, I’ve had a crappy day, part of it in caring for a newly diagnosed anencephalic pregnancy. The last thing my heart can bear right now is the scorn and judgement of people far removed from the situation. I am so so sorry! I have no idea what you must be feeling, but I want you to know that my heart breaks for you and your family.
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Post by izzyscraps on Feb 9, 2019 3:56:29 GMT
Ok fine. I can own it. It’s scary that we are ending the lives of children. It’s sad. And even though I don’t agree with it, I get that there are reasons why women choose to do it. The life threatening reasons. But I can never not know that that’s a baby and we (as humans) are choosing to kill babies in the womb, and accept it. I can’t. The only reason I tried to delete it is cuz I knew as soon as I did it that I shouldn’t have started. But I have compassion, Melissa. I had a teenager cry in my arms because she chose to have an abortion and yet was apologizing to me because she knew I was going through infertility and had had miscarriages. I cried for her. I loved her, and my heart broke for her. I would have taken that baby and raised it as my own.
I don’t think it’s lack of compassion. I think it’s that I don’t understand how you decide that it’s not a baby. Not a human. That you’re not killing it.
But anyway. Y’all can let the thread die. I shouldn’t have spoken my thoughts so rashly.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 3:58:44 GMT
Ok fine. I can own it. It’s scary that we are ending the lives of children. It’s sad. And even though I don’t agree with it, I get that there are reasons why women choose to do it. The life threatening reasons. But I can never not know that that’s a baby and we (as humans) are choosing to kill babies in the womb, and accept it. I can’t. The only reason I tried to delete it is cuz I knew as soon as I did it that I shouldn’t have started. But I have compassion, Melissa. I had a teenager cry in my arms because she chose to have an abortion and yet was apologizing to me because she knew I was going through infertility and had had miscarriages. I cried for her. I loved her, and my heart broke for her. I would have taken that baby and raised it as my own. I don’t think it’s lack of compassion. I think it’s that I don’t understand how you decide that it’s not a baby. Not a human. That you’re not killing it. But anyway. Y’all can let the thread die. I shouldn’t have spoken my thoughts so rashly. Please don't apologize for posting or your feelings. It needs to be addressed or at least know that it's a passionate difficult heartbreaking situation for anyone involved. It's hard to speak your opionion if it's unpopular or know people are going to disagree on it. PS For the record I think women in general are damn compassionate - you see it here on the board every day.
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Post by melissa on Feb 9, 2019 4:02:46 GMT
It is a lack of compassion. If you cannot comprehend that the 1% of later term abortions, ie ending of pregnancy after about 20 weeks, are very sad, very heartbreaking and generally lethal situations, you have zero compassion for anyone- mother or baby.
I am not talking about "killing babies in the womb." I am talking about delivering babies and saving the lives of moms and sometimes even saving the lives of the babies in the process. But the problem is that those who are on the pro-life side generally cannot be bothered to comprehend that these very things I am describing are ALSO ABORTIONS.
Definitions can be hard to grasp. Abortion is ending a pregnancy prior to term, no matter how or when it is done. Abortion does not mean the death of the baby.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 4:06:18 GMT
It is a lack of compassion. If you cannot comprehend that the 1% of later term abortions, ie ending of pregnancy after about 20 weeks, are very sad, very heartbreaking and generally lethal situations, you have zero compassion for anyone- mother or baby. I am not talking about "killing babies in the womb." I am talking about delivering babies and saving the lives of moms and sometimes even saving the lives of the babies in the process. But the problem is that those who are on the pro-life side generally cannot be bothered to comprehend that these very things I am describing are ALSO ABORTIONS. Definitions can be hard to grasp. Abortion is ending a pregnancy prior to term, no matter how or when it is done. Abortion does not mean the death of the baby. So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose?
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Post by paget on Feb 9, 2019 4:07:22 GMT
I have no idea why I’m going to jump in and post this, but I feel like this issue is so hard. I believe that a fetus is a baby- a human, and abortion is murder. BUT. I also believe that outlawing abortions isn’t the way to go. It’s just created (in the past and then in the future should laws change) a dangerous situation for women that have a variety of circumstances. I DO have compassion and I also believe birth control is a good thing along with giving women options that would truly help them to either not become pregnant in the first place or to carry the baby to term if that’s what they would like to choose.
I was unexpectedly unmarried and pregnant at 22. Abortion did cross my mind. I am glad I did not chose that. But I also know I was lucky to have options that allowed me to make the choice to keep my baby.
I guess I just wanted to say there is room for the viewpoint that abortion is ending a life and feel sad, yet not condemn women that feel they need to make that choice and also feel eliminating abortion is not the answer.
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Post by melissa on Feb 9, 2019 4:11:35 GMT
Right cause women are so damn judgmental? That's rich to say and not know the medical circumstances? And yet site them to make their argument?! Unless you've walked you don't know. I've walked and know a few others that have.. Huh? I guess I am just tired. That doesn't make sense. You do not know what shoes I've walked in either. And you do not seem to understand that if a woman has, lets say, a baby with no brain, it's not my place or your place to tell her that she has to continue the pregnancy until term. That's HER decision. If you (and that's anyone, not you in particular but if it applies, it applies) want to take that right away from her, that makes you not compassionate. Period. I personally think people who want to take that right away are evil if they understand the entire situation and still say she cannot make her own decision. If they are not evil, then they are lacking on compassion or uneducated. It has to be one of those things because I cannot comprehend why anyone would force a woman in a situation like that to continue her pregnancy if she did not want to. Some want to as long as they can. Everyone mourns differently. And even with first trimester abortion, most women are actually quite sad- teens, women in their 40's and everyone in between. I had to work in a first trimester termination clinic as part of my residency training. It's incredibly sad. But it would be far sadder to ban that and throw us back to the 50's and 60's. We know what happens when legal options are not available. It's not pretty either. No one wants people to think they need to have a termination so lets all agree to work to support contraception and recognize that terminations of pregnancy in the latter second and early third trimester are for medical reasons only.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 4:14:00 GMT
Right cause women are so damn judgmental? That's rich to say and not know the medical circumstances? And yet site them to make their argument?! Unless you've walked you don't know. I've walked and know a few others that have.. Huh? I guess I am just tired. That doesn't make sense. You do not know what shoes I've walked in either. And you do not seem to understand that if a woman has, lets say, a baby with no brain, it's not my place or your place to tell her that she has to continue the pregnancy until term. That's HER decision. If you (and that's anyone, not you in particular but if it applies, it applies) want to take that right away from her, that makes you not compassionate. Period. I personally think people who want to take that right away are evil if they understand the entire situation and still say she cannot make her own decision. If they are not evil, then they are lacking on compassion or uneducated. It has to be one of those things because I cannot comprehend why anyone would force a woman in a situation like that to continue her pregnancy if she did not want to. Some want to as long as they can. Everyone mourns differently. And even with first trimester abortion, most women are actually quite sad- teens, women in their 40's and everyone in between. I had to work in a first trimester termination clinic as part of my residency training. It's incredibly sad. But it would be far sadder to ban that and throw us back to the 50's and 60's. We know what happens when legal options are not available. It's not pretty either. No one wants people to think they need to have a termination so lets all agree to work to support contraception and recognize that terminations of pregnancy in the latter second and early third trimester are for medical reasons only. I am tired as well but this is our life I know it's different for every one but to say it's lack of compassion is absurd and judgemental. I'll repost this part that i posted after So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose?
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 9, 2019 4:16:13 GMT
But it's not. It's not a living, breathing human being. How is it not a human being? If it were a living, breathing human being, it would survive the abortion. Abortion does not equal killing a baby. Hugs dudleypippen, .
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Post by inkedup on Feb 9, 2019 4:18:11 GMT
It is a lack of compassion. If you cannot comprehend that the 1% of later term abortions, ie ending of pregnancy after about 20 weeks, are very sad, very heartbreaking and generally lethal situations, you have zero compassion for anyone- mother or baby. I am not talking about "killing babies in the womb." I am talking about delivering babies and saving the lives of moms and sometimes even saving the lives of the babies in the process. But the problem is that those who are on the pro-life side generally cannot be bothered to comprehend that these very things I am describing are ALSO ABORTIONS. Definitions can be hard to grasp. Abortion is ending a pregnancy prior to term, no matter how or when it is done. Abortion does not mean the death of the baby. So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose? Can you explain what you mean by "lack of oxygen?" You would not be able to carry a baby to term if either of you were without oxygen for an extended period of time.
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Post by azredhead on Feb 9, 2019 4:21:48 GMT
So if I had one and carried almost for full term but due to lack of oxygen would i be stupid for carrying it full term? Is that neglegant on my part?Because that's how I see it? What if it went out on it's own also known as a miscarriage? Do I judge the mother for not aboritng it?Hell no! Then there's situations like my nephew - similar rare heart condition. Step sister didn't find out till month 7, when the heart beat was fading. She delivered him anyway instead of the other option. He's now 19 and on a transplant list. I talk about him a lot on here? Which scenerio would you chose? Can you explain what you mean by "lack of oxygen?" You would not be able to carry a baby to term if either of you were without oxygen for an extended period of time. Yes, i would not have enough Oxygen for both me and the baby or blood flow. I have valve that will need to be replaced here soon. It also plays into some other issues I'm having from spine and development that would not have allowed for natural labor. I also have a backwards arotia. I'm on my 2nd pacer. My own heart rate would not be enough. It drops too low. I was on O2 full time and now just at night as needed.
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Post by peatlejuice on Feb 9, 2019 4:37:01 GMT
I don’t think it’s lack of compassion. I think it’s that I don’t understand how you decide that it’s not a baby. Not a human. That you’re not killing it. It's not a matter of "is it a baby" for me, it's a matter of "is it viable life" with a smattering of "quality of life", a belief that viable lives should be prioritized over non-viable lives, and an even bigger belief that it isn't our place to control the bodily autonomy of another, in any circumstances. I often feel like I don't have control over my body because I haven't been able to conceive. I certainly wouldn't want to subject other women to the same feeling of helplessness.
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