|
Post by pierkiss on May 6, 2019 15:50:08 GMT
And seriously, is he beginning to set the stage for not leaving if he loses the 2020 election? Is this because Nancy Pelosi said the Dems have to win by a wide margin or Trump will contest a close election? Does he even know the US is not Extended Stay America? Bill Maher used to say, “He’s not gonna leave, folks, you know that, right?” I used to just laugh. I’m not so sure anymore that it’s a joke. I said that a while ago....... I am not buying that he will not leave if not re-elected. He can contest it, and there can be a recount. But if the recount shows hat he did lose, even by 2 votes, he will have to get his ass out of the White House. Because come January 20th, the new president will be sworn in at inauguration, and secret service will forcibly remove him from office if need be. This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2019 15:55:28 GMT
”Puerto Rico has been given more money by Congress for Hurricane Disaster Relief, 91 Billion Dollars, than any State in the history of the U.S. As an example, Florida got $12 Billion & Texas $39 Billion for their monster hurricanes. Now the Democrats are saying NO Relief to...... “Alabama, Iowa, Nebraska, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and others unless much more money is given to Puerto Rico. The Dems don’t want farmers to get any help. Puerto Rico should be very happy and the Dems should stop blocking much needed Disaster Relief!” Bold mine. In the history of the US... Think about that... No other state/territory has been almost destroyed end to end/border to border, surrounded by water, dealt with the Jones Act for most of the supplies needed. NO one else had to deal with the Jones act for most their supplies, they were delivered by land carriers! How many times has the Gulf coast, the Atlantic coast areas been rebuilt from hurricanes, over and over again? He needs a history lesson!
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2019 15:58:09 GMT
I am not buying that he will not leave if not re-elected. He can contest it, and there can be a recount. But if the recount shows hat he did lose, even by 2 votes, he will have to get his ass out of the White House. Because come January 20th, the new president will be sworn in at inauguration, and secret service will forcibly remove him from office if need be. This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. Do NOT count on that! His henchmen are allowing him to continue his goals... If the GOP were going to do something, they would have started .. they have NOT!
|
|
lizacreates
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,856
Aug 29, 2015 2:39:19 GMT
|
Post by lizacreates on May 6, 2019 17:14:13 GMT
I said that a while ago....... I am not buying that he will not leave if not re-elected. He can contest it, and there can be a recount. But if the recount shows hat he did lose, even by 2 votes, he will have to get his ass out of the White House. Because come January 20th, the new president will be sworn in at inauguration, and secret service will forcibly remove him from office if need be. This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. I agree with revirdsuba99 . I hear you, but I’ve got some serious doubts that congressional Republicans will not stand for it. Trump seems impervious to rules and laws and continues to thumb his nose at anything that would threaten him, all without accountability. Things that one would think impossible or improbable have already happened. Things that one would think would sink any other politician have already happened. The word “guardrails” that we often see in articles? Yes, some of them, specifically the courts have been successful in stopping his more unlawful policies. But he still governs with impunity, doesn’t he? 10,000 lies have been normalized and his denigration of our courts, Intelligence Community, free press, etc continues. And he’s still around spreading his daily poison, and the congressional Republicans and his base are solidly behind him no matter what. I no longer doubt his power to incite violence because I’ve already seen it proven many times. When I first began posting on political threads here I used to think that some of the comments were too far off left field and unnecessarily alarmist although I didn’t deride them as “chicken littles” like some did. Now, I’m recalling some of those posts and I’m realizing that a great number of them were truly prescient – that they’re proving to be much, much closer to the truths and what has happened than I originally gave them credence for. What seemed hyperbole then became reality. What seemed preposterous then we’re actually grappling with now. Much as I understand your viewpoint, I’m afraid his refusal to leave peacefully should he lose and his capability to incite civil unrest are very much within the realm of plausibility. Note what a journalist once wrote: “Here's what the Constitution says about presidents who refuse to leave: Nothing, absolutely nothing.”
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 17:40:13 GMT
NY AG James...
”We've filed a lawsuit against the Trump Treasury Department & IRS for failing to respond to records requests as required by law.
The agency eliminated donor disclosure requirements for tax-exempt groups & refuses to comply w/the law to explain the rationale for these changes.”
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on May 6, 2019 18:11:45 GMT
This from Anthony Michael Kries ”Scott Walker worked to grab powers he used as governor away from the sitting governor because Walker lost to a Democrat. The Clean Hands Doctrine enjoins Walker from having any opinion of value.” was in response to this from donald alternative facts trump.. ”Scott Walker is 100% correct when he says that the Republicans must WAKE UP to the Democrats State by State power grab. They play very dirty, actually, like never before. Don’t allow them to get away with what they are doing!” This made me so crazy. Wisconsin peas or anyone who knows, what ended up happening with that Republican power-grab attempt? I know it passed, was signed into law, and I think there were lawsuits filed over it. What was the outcome? (yes, I know I could google it, but I was hoping someone could just tell me in a sentence or two)
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on May 6, 2019 18:19:23 GMT
I said that a while ago....... I am not buying that he will not leave if not re-elected. He can contest it, and there can be a recount. But if the recount shows hat he did lose, even by 2 votes, he will have to get his ass out of the White House. Because come January 20th, the new president will be sworn in at inauguration, and secret service will forcibly remove him from office if need be. This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. I think it is entirely possible that he would claim the election was corrupted by non-citizens voting, liberals voting multiple times, or hell, even that the Russians or the North Koreans broke into our electoral system in order to elect the Democrat. And then he would declare a state of emergency and martial law, arrest the top Democrats for conspiring to throw the election, and bingo bongo, we’re living in a tin-pot dictatorship just like that. You think this Attorney General is going to stand up to him? I don’t. Not any more.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2019 18:26:41 GMT
The word “guardrails” that we often see in articles? Yes, some of them, specifically the courts have been successful in stopping his more unlawful policies. But he still governs with impunity, doesn’t he? The 'guardrails' are gone! The longer he is there the courts will STOP doing their job. What will the House do with their contempt charges against Barr.... he is the AG and who under him will proceed?
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on May 6, 2019 18:35:50 GMT
|
|
pyccku
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,817
Jun 27, 2014 23:12:07 GMT
|
Post by pyccku on May 6, 2019 19:14:44 GMT
This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. It would be nice to think that - but you see all of the military types who have always been super patriotic and flag-waving who are now supporting Trump and you realize that it wan't ever really about patriotism or the constitution - it was about being able to swagger around with a gun because might makes right and 'Murica - FUCK YEAH! And you wonder how many of them would care if Putin rolled his tanks down Pennsylvania avenue because 'at least they showed the libs!' I turns out that they care a whole lot about the constitution when it keeps Obama from taking their guns - but not at all when it means their guy has to follow the rule of law, or that there are checks and balances. Then, it's just a piece of paper, a hindrance to doing what 'needs to be done' to make America great again. I keep seeing the quote about the Nazis and how you realize that 33% of the country is happy to stand by and watch 33% of the country destroy everything they stand for, while the other 33% fight against it and get called chicken little and fearmongerers. Trump is not a normal president. He doesn't have limitations on him because not only does he not know what is and isn't in the constitution - he doesn't care. And if the people in charge of holding him to those laws choose not to do, so, he pretty much has become a de facto monarch who can do anything he wants.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2019 20:12:52 GMT
The NRA better know that their guns will be GONE under a dictator particularly without the free press! He knows who they are.
They have a much greater chance of keeping them with me and mine around!
We do need to remember that the military is mostly ordinary people and they know well that they have taken an oath to protect our Constitution!
|
|
|
Post by Jen in NCal on May 6, 2019 20:15:14 GMT
I am not buying that he will not leave if not re-elected. He can contest it, and there can be a recount. But if the recount shows hat he did lose, even by 2 votes, he will have to get his ass out of the White House. Because come January 20th, the new president will be sworn in at inauguration, and secret service will forcibly remove him from office if need be. This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. I think it is entirely possible that he would claim the election was corrupted by non-citizens voting, liberals voting multiple times, or hell, even that the Russians or the North Koreans broke into our electoral system in order to elect the Democrat. And then he would declare a state of emergency and martial law, arrest the top Democrats for conspiring to throw the election, and bingo bongo, we’re living in a tin-pot dictatorship just like that. You think this Attorney General is going to stand up to him? I don’t. Not any more. I was thinking about this yesterday. I have no doubt he will make this claim; in fact, I'm surprised he hasn't already said that Russia tried to influence 2016 in the Dems favor but his far superior, uh, big brain, won the elections despite it.
|
|
|
Post by crazy4scraps on May 6, 2019 20:28:14 GMT
The word “guardrails” that we often see in articles? Yes, some of them, specifically the courts have been successful in stopping his more unlawful policies. But he still governs with impunity, doesn’t he? The 'guardrails' are gone! The longer he is there the courts will STOP doing their job. What will the House do with their contempt charges against Barr.... he is the AG and who under him will proceed? Yup, the GOP has been stacking the courts with their cronies at record speed, filling all the vacancies up and down the line that they refused to let Obama fill. So with that in place, and a majority in the senate sitting on their thumbs, and trump in the White House doing a dang fine job of being Putin’s puppet, they feel like they can do whatever the hell they want and there is no one that will get in their way. Rules, schmules. Rules are for suckers! IOKIYAR!!!
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 21:01:27 GMT
linkHow incredibly dense are these idiots.. Observer. “Mike Pompeo Praises Climate Change in the Arctic as ‘New Opportunities for Trade’”From the article.. “Secretary of State Mike Pompeo appeared at the Arctic Council Ministerial Meeting in Finland to discuss the United States’ commitment to the Arctic region. While much of the secretary’s speech addressed the growing threats of Russia and China in the region, he also called the Arctic’s melting ice caps “new opportunities for trade”—despite warnings from scientists that the shrinkage is caused by climate change and could become irreversible. “ Steady reductions in sea ice are opening new passageways and new opportunities for trade,” Pompeo told the room. “This could potentially slash the time it takes to travel between Asia and the West by as much as 20 days. Arctic sea lanes could come before—could come [sic] the 21s century Suez and Panama Canals.”
|
|
|
Post by crimsoncat05 on May 6, 2019 22:02:16 GMT
How incredibly dense are these idiots.. much more stupid than we ever thought, apparently. Touting climate change and the Arctic ice melting as a GOOD thing? good for money-making?!? Of course he did. Never mind that the world-wide population, climate, food-growing, atmosphere, etc. will have gone to SHIT- gotta make some $$$!! Who cares if the planet is ruined in the process?!?
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 22:05:36 GMT
Washington Post..
”Mnuchin rejects Democrats’ demand to hand over Trump’s tax returns, all but ensuring legal battle”
“Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Monday told House Democrats he would not furnish President Trump’s tax returns despite their legal request, the latest move by Trump administration officials to shield the president from congressional investigations.
Mnuchin, in a letter to House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-Mass.), said he had consulted with the Justice Department and that they had concluded that it would not be lawful for the Trump administration to turn over the tax returns because of potential violations of privacy. So in all honesty, if the Republicans were after say President Hillary Clinton’s tax return and the Treasury and DOJ pulled this stunt, what do you think the Republicans reaction would be? Mnuchin added that requests from Congress “must serve a legitimate legislative purpose” and that the request from Democrats does not.
A number of legal experts have said it would be unprecedented for Mnuchin to refuse to turn over the tax returns, as the power for lawmakers to seek the returns is written explicitly in a 1924 law.
But Mnuchin, Trump’s former campaign finance chairman, has fought to protect the returns from public disclosure and said it would create a dangerous precedent if the returns are released. Mnuchin’s announcement on Monday appears to be his final decision in the matter, though he has hinted for weeks that he would not allow the release.
On April 23, Mnuchin notified House Democrats that he would be consulting with the Justice Department about the request for Trump’s tax returns and planned to reach his final decision on May 6.
In his new letter, he said that “In reliance on the advice of the Department of Justice, I have determined that the Committee’s request lacks a legitimate legislative purpose, and...the Department is therefore not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information.”
He said the Justice Department plans to make public its legal reasoning in finding that Mnuchin didn’t have to furnish the requests. Alexei Woltornist, a spokesman for the Department of Justice, referred a request for a copy of the department’s opinion to the Treasury Department.
House Democrats have insisted they are on strong legal footing in their request for the tax returns, and several lawmakers said they expect to file a lawsuit so that a federal judge will rule on the matter. This process could take months, though, and ultimately end up before the Supreme Court.
Neal first requested six years of Trump’s business and personal tax returns in March, and Mnuchin has twice requested deadlines set by Democrats and said he needed more time to review the law. In his latest rejection, Mnuchin cited his consultations with the Justice Department, though he did not provide more information about their reasoning.
Democrats rejected Mnuchin’s argument and promised to continue pressing for the tax returns.
"We need immediate legal action. We cannot allow this bad president to set bad precedent," said Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas). "If Trump once again faces only Republican silence and Democratic timidity, he will continue to erode our democracy by assuming more and more power."
Democrats have said obtaining the tax returns is necessary for them to perform their oversight duties, but Mnuchin has said repeatedly that their request for these records could be an invasion of Trump’s privacy and become a fishing expedition. In April, Mnuchin revealed that Treasury officials had conferred with White House lawyers about Trump’s tax returns before Democrats sent their formal request to the Internal Revenue Service. At the time, Mnuchin said he had not discussed the matter personally with the president. Yea right.
“It looks like Mnuchin is ready for the fight — this is a plain rejection,” said Steve Rosenthal, an expert at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, who has briefed Congress on the matter. “He’s not delaying any further.”
The chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee have had the authority since 1924 to obtain the tax returns of any American, and the law stipulates that the Treasury secretary “shall furnish” the information once it is requested. This law was put in place during the Harding administration because of financial improprieties that stemmed from the Teapot Dome scandal.
Trump is the first president since the Nixon administration to refuse to provide his tax returns. Democrats have accused Trump of shielding embarrassing information, but Republicans have said Trump is under no obligation to provide financial records and that voters decided the records were not important when they elected him to office.
|
|
|
Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 7, 2019 0:06:13 GMT
How incredibly dense are these idiots.. much more stupid than we ever thought, apparently. Touting climate change and the Arctic ice melting as a GOOD thing? good for money-making?!? Of course he did. Never mind that the world-wide population, climate, food-growing, atmosphere, etc. will have gone to SHIT- gotta make some $$$!! Who cares if the planet is ruined in the process?!? They don't care because they personally won't be alive to feel its consequences. They literally just DGAF.
|
|
pyccku
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,817
Jun 27, 2014 23:12:07 GMT
|
Post by pyccku on May 7, 2019 0:35:19 GMT
Touting climate change and the Arctic ice melting as a GOOD thing? good for money-making?!? Of course he did. Who is going to make money off of it? Hint: it's a very large country that is covered in a lot of permafrost and could really benefit from the Arctic ice melting, because it would then have more ports.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 2:50:40 GMT
linkReuters... “Pentagon says U.S. carrier, bombers sent to Middle East on 'credible threat' by Iran”“ WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said on Monday he had approved sending a carrier strike group and bombers to the Middle East because of indications of a "credible threat by Iranian regime forces," but did not provide any details on the underlying intelligence. U.S. national security adviser John Bolton said on Sunday the United States was deploying the Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group and a bomber task force to the Middle East to send a message to Iran.“ While neither Shanahan nor Bolton provided details on U.S. intelligence, other U.S. officials told Reuters there were "multiple, credible threats" against U.S. forces on land, including in Iraq, by Iran and proxy forces and at sea.”
Why don’t I believe there are “multiple credible threats”? From day one trump has been itching to get at Iran. We are going into the election mode so who is going to vote to change presidents if we are in some sort of new military event.
|
|
|
Post by hop2 on May 7, 2019 3:03:21 GMT
And seriously, is he beginning to set the stage for not leaving if he loses the 2020 election? Is this because Nancy Pelosi said the Dems have to win by a wide margin or Trump will contest a close election? Does he even know the US is not Extended Stay America? Bill Maher used to say, “He’s not gonna leave, folks, you know that, right?” I used to just laugh. I’m not so sure anymore that it’s a joke. I said that a while ago....... fingers crossed that it turns out like that invasion of Texas in 2015. But I do not have a good feeling
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 3:03:29 GMT
Al Drago...
”Special Counsel Robert Mueller departs dinner at Martin's Tavern in Georgetown, Monday, May 6, 2019, in Washington. (AP Photo/Al Drago)”
This guy posted a picture of Robert Mueller crossing the street and the man walking next to him is David McCullum.
Now I don’t know if the photo has been doctored but it is David McCullum walking next to him.
Of course there are some great responses. This is my favorite..
From M Doyle...
”You see Ducky, I see Illya Kuryakin.”
The Russian spy from the Man from U.N.C.L.E. 😀
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on May 7, 2019 3:53:08 GMT
This guy posted a picture of Robert Mueller crossing the street and the man walking next to him is David McCullum. They must have fun conversations!
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 4:35:44 GMT
I will vote for Cory if he is the nominee - as I will vote for anyone in the current dem field, but I hope he is not the nominee.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 4:39:19 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 14:12:53 GMT
Sam Stein..
”Mitch McConnell, who told the Obama administration it should not go more public with warnings that Russia was trying to tilt the 2016 election, is now saying that focus on Mueller is distracting from where the real focus should be: Russia’s interference in elections.”
|
|
|
Post by Merge on May 7, 2019 14:21:33 GMT
Heard a synopsis of this on NPR this morning. Appears to be a fascinating and disturbing look at the evolution of Trump's trade policy re: China. On Frontline (PBS) tonight. Trump's Trade War
|
|
sassyangel
Drama Llama
Posts: 7,456
Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
|
Post by sassyangel on May 7, 2019 15:01:29 GMT
This country will not stand for a dictator. Even the ass kissing republicans who simply adore trump will not have it. I keep seeing the quote about the Nazis and how you realize that 33% of the country is happy to stand by and watch 33% of the country destroy everything they stand for, while the other 33% fight against it and get called chicken little and fearmongerers. I studied the rise and governance of Nazi Germany, in depth, in high school and college, and I can absolutely see terrifying parallels as well. One of the factors of the rise of Nazi Germany was (after punitive reparations were forced on the by the victors of WWI) and the (mostly understandable) resentment of the German people, and the desire for Germany to be great again. Sure now, they’ve got their patriotic red hats and they talk about patriotism and returning to the good old days, but the roots of resentment of change by the 33% are exactly the same.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 15:12:45 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”More stonewalling: The White House will instruct former White House counsel Don McGahn not to comply with a subpoena from House Democrats for documents related to Mueller's investigation, Sarah Sanders tells ABC News.”
Yesterday dimwit donnie was moaning and groaning how two years of his term had been “stollen” or stolen and those two years should be added on to his current term.
He is the reason this whole thing is dragging on because of all the stonewalling he is doing from the very beginning. For someone who keeps saying he is innocent he sure acts guilty and continues to act as a man hiding something.
As failed businessman trump I could care less what he is hiding. But he decided, with these secrets, to run for and got elected president which changes everything. As President, the American People need to know what he is hiding.
There has to be a certain amount of confidence in the person sitting in Oval Office isn’t some corrupt idiot.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 15:24:53 GMT
Newsweek...
”Lara Trump rips criticism of Tiger Woods for embracing the president: "He knows the true Donald Trump"
The problem is, we all know the real trump and it ain’t pretty.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Jul 1, 2024 4:28:05 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 15:56:35 GMT
Newsweek...
”Iran dismisses U.S. aircraft carrier deployment as "clumsy" psychological warfare”
Because I have no confidence in trump & company I tend to believe this. It makes no sense that Iran would attack US interests with trigger finger trump calling the shots
|
|