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Post by peano on May 13, 2019 16:33:52 GMT
Read this in WaPo today and I'm perplexed by Tlaib's meaning. Can anyone tell me their interpretation of what she means when she refers to a "calming feeling": House Republican leaders took aim at Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) on Sunday for a podcast interview in which she discussed her support for a one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In an interview on Yahoo News’s “Skullduggery” podcast published Saturday, Tlaib was asked about her position on the issue. The freshman lawmaker began her response by noting that the United States commemorated Holocaust Remembrance Day two weeks ago. She then discussed her Palestinian ancestors and the founding of the state of Israel, saying she was “humbled by the fact that it was my ancestors that had to suffer” to create a safe haven for the Jewish people. “There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence, in many ways, had been wiped out. . . . I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time,” Tlaib said. She added that the events of the past have informed her views on how to approach a solution to the conflict. “I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that [safe haven], in many ways,” Tlaib said. “But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right? And it was forced on them. And so, when I think about one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn’t we do it in a better way?” On Sunday night, Tlaib tweeted: “Policing my words, twisting & turning them to ignite vile attacks on me will not work. All of you who are trying to silence me will fail miserably. I will never allow you to take my words out of context to push your racist and hateful agenda. The truth will always win.” She's not referring to the Holocaust at all. She describing her emotions, the fact that she is not furious,angry,enraged, whatever word you want to use to describe the opposite of acting calmly at what happened to her ancestors.I'm assuming she's of Palestinian heritage.
Lets face it they were given a raw deal and she's proud of the fact that they helped to give a safe haven to the Jewish community. Yet, they ( her ancestors) lost everything, but she doesn't feel anger at what happened she'd rather dwell on the good that they did by the sacrifices they made at the time and not on the fact that they lost so much. She's also questioning that there must be a better way of solving the situation they find themselves in now ( for both countries) which will be more equal to the needs of both countries and that one side doesn't sacrifice so much to the benefit of the other. That is what I think she meant anyhow. But I constantly shake my head how others interpret things, often to their own agenda IMO. Well, I would have to disagree with the bolded, since she clearly says "there's a calming feeling...when (she) thinks about the Holocaust..." I can't think of a single instance in which a normal, non-white supremacist person's primary feeling relating to the Holocaust would be "calming".
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Post by hop2 on May 13, 2019 16:34:24 GMT
David Axelrod... “.@realdonaldtrump and his team feel they are playing a winning hand with China, and China DOES need to be confronted. But long term, by pulling out of the TPP, shredding our alliances and ceding leadership around the world, Trump has been a gift to China.” “And if I am the Chinese, I calculate just how much pain a president who is focused on re-election will be willing to inflict on American farmers (especially in the midwest) and consumers.”
But that's just it Trump doesn't give a crap about American farmers or anyone else for that matter. It's all about himself and always will be. Why anybody is still supporting him boggles my mind.
Because R Because Democrats are totally unacceptable no matter thier stances in any issues Because R IOKIYAR
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Post by DEX on May 13, 2019 16:52:02 GMT
She's not referring to the Holocaust at all. She describing her emotions, the fact that she is not furious,angry,enraged, whatever word you want to use to describe the opposite of acting calmly at what happened to her ancestors.I'm assuming she's of Palestinian heritage. Lets face it they were given a raw deal and she's proud of the fact that they helped to give a safe haven to the Jewish community. Yet, they ( her ancestors) lost everything, but she doesn't feel anger at what happened she'd rather dwell on the good that they did by the sacrifices they made at the time and not on the fact that they lost so much. She's also questioning that there must be a better way of solving the situation they find themselves in now ( for both countries) which will be more equal to the needs of both countries and that one side doesn't sacrifice so much to the benefit of the other. That is what I think she meant anyhow. But I constantly shake my head how others interpret things, often to their own agenda IMO. Donnie isn’t going to fixit in any way helpful though. Wait! I thought Jared was going to solve the problems in the Middle East ?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 17:01:13 GMT
It seems trump has an answer for everything. Yes I know there is another post about this. But sometimes you just have to see how he explains it and that he has no idea about what he is talking about.
trump..
There is no reason for the U.S. Consumer to pay the Tariffs, which take effect on China today. This has been proven recently when only 4 points were paid by the U.S., 21 points by China because China subsidizes product to such a large degree. Also, the Tariffs can be.....”
”completely avoided if you buy from a non-Tariffed Country, or you buy the product inside the USA (the best idea). That’s Zero Tariffs. Many Tariffed companies will be leaving China for Vietnam and other such countries in Asia. That’s why China wants to make a deal so badly!...”
”There will be nobody left in China to do business with. Very bad for China, very good for USA! But China has taken so advantage of the U.S. for so many years, that they are way ahead (Our Presidents did not do the job). Therefore, China should not retaliate-will only get worse!”
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 17:04:05 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”Trump heads toward 2020 with virtually nothing to show for his trade promises — except angry farmers and a jittery stock market. A China deal appears to be faltering. His Canada-Mexico pact faces opposition. Deals with the EU, Japan & Britain are stalled.”
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Post by artgirl1 on May 13, 2019 17:07:16 GMT
“There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence, in many ways, had been wiped out. . . . I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time,” Tlaib said. I think she is very clear in stating that she feels a sense of peace in that her ancestors contributed to the creation of the Israeli state following the Holocaust, despite how they suffered and were penalized for it. Unless you understand or care to investigate how Israel was created, and study 100 years worth of history you can never understand the impact of the creation of Israel had upon the Palestinian people. Great Britain and the US started parceling out land in the Middle East following WWI, and established Jewish states, and after WWII, Israel was declared a seperate state with the support of Truman. This had great effect on the Palestinian people, and the area has been in conflict ever since. This area has significant meaning to both Palestinians and Jewish people, and no one ever acknowledged what each party gave up in the divvying up of this land. Most politicians, certainly those most vocal in the support of the Jewish people, refuse to acknowledge the impact this had on Palestine. At some point, they should take into account the cultural biases of the other side, and not just assume that all people should just support the existence of Israel blindly. This is a far more complicated issue than trump can comprehend, and should not be reduced to soundbites by politicians.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 17:38:08 GMT
Kyle Griffin...
”The European Union is finalizing a list of American goods to target with retaliatory tariffs in the event that Trump, who is expected to make a decision by May 18, imposes levies on car imports, Bloomberg reports.”
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 19:11:02 GMT
She's not referring to the Holocaust at all. She describing her emotions, the fact that she is not furious,angry,enraged, whatever word you want to use to describe the opposite of acting calmly at what happened to her ancestors.I'm assuming she's of Palestinian heritage.
Lets face it they were given a raw deal and she's proud of the fact that they helped to give a safe haven to the Jewish community. Yet, they ( her ancestors) lost everything, but she doesn't feel anger at what happened she'd rather dwell on the good that they did by the sacrifices they made at the time and not on the fact that they lost so much. She's also questioning that there must be a better way of solving the situation they find themselves in now ( for both countries) which will be more equal to the needs of both countries and that one side doesn't sacrifice so much to the benefit of the other. That is what I think she meant anyhow. But I constantly shake my head how others interpret things, often to their own agenda IMO. Well, I would have to disagree with the bolded, since she clearly says "there's a calming feeling...when (she) thinks about the Holocaust..." I can't think of a single instance in which a normal, non-white supremacist person's primary feeling relating to the Holocaust would be "calming". We'll have to agree to disagree because I read it like this :-- House Republican leaders took aim at Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) on Sunday for a podcast interview in which she discussed her support for a one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Tlaib was asked about her position on the issue. Her answer to that question was “There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, She wasn't asked how she felt about the Holocaust she was asked how she felt about a one state solution to the conflict. She then went on to say that she also thinks of what happened to her ancestors when thinking of the Holocaust or anyone that mentions it and explained what happened. No way can one interpret that as feeling calm about the Holocaust IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 19:14:17 GMT
MSNBC...
”Reporter: Are we going to war with Iran?
President Trump: "I’m hearing little stories about Iran. If they do anything, they will suffer greatly. We’ll see what happens with Iran."
He is hearing stories??? And because of those “stories” he is threatening another country.
So in other words, the President of the United States is threatening another country based on hearing “little stories”.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 13, 2019 19:26:53 GMT
The Supreme Court ruled Monday that a state can maintain its sovereign immunity from lawsuits in other states, reversing a prior decision from the high court.In a 5-4 decision authored by Justice Clarence Thomas, the court’s conservative justices found that a state cannot be sued by a private party in another state court system without that state's consent. The ruling overturns a previous 1979 decision that found the Constitution does not shield the states from private lawsuits in other states. Thomas wrote that the previous ruling "misreads the historical record and misapprehends the 'implicit ordering of relationships within the federal system necessary to make the Constitution a workable governing charter and to give each provision within that document the full effect intended by the Framers.'" He said the past precedent is "irreconcilable with our constitutional structure and with the historical evidence" showing that states have immunity from the private lawsuits. (Past precedent ?!?! Not so sure I wanted to read that..)** Justices Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch, John Roberts and Samuel Alito joined in the opinion. But Justice Stephen Breyer, in a dissenting opinion joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, disputed the majority’s reasoning. “[T]he relevant history and precedent refuted the claim that States are entitled to absolute immunity in each other’s courts,” Breyer wrote. Breyer also criticized the court for reversing a ruling on a 5-4 decision, instead of with a larger majority. “Today’s decision can only cause one to wonder which cases the court will overrule next,” Breyer wrote.** thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/443386-conservative-supreme-court-reverses-earlier-decision-on-sovereignJustice Breyer says it ALL!!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 21:36:53 GMT
Ah candidate trump has surfaced..
”My Administration will be fighting for $200 million for the Army Corps Everglades restoration work this year. Congress needs to help us complete the world’s largest intergovernmental watershed restoration project ASAP! Good for Florida and good for the environment.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 13, 2019 22:17:34 GMT
Didn't know he knew that word. But I guess he is doing Florida first because, you know.... Mar-A-Lago is in Florida and he spends a LOT of time there!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 13, 2019 22:30:42 GMT
And how are the farmers crops supposed to be bought by us? oh, those crops will be bought by us when the government has to give the farmers another bailout (on our dime) because they've lost their overseas markets for their crops. (and like Stephanie Miller said this morning on Progressive radio: 'isn't government supported, govt-controlled industry basically the definition of socialism? Isn't that what the conservatives say they DON'T want?) I loathe that man-- and his entire sycophantic, pusillanimous, kowtowing, fake-Christian, ASS-kissing, entourage-- with pretty much every.fiber.of.my. being. LOATHE.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 22:42:54 GMT
Didn't know he knew that word. But I guess he is doing Florida first because, you know.... Mar-A-Lago is in Florida and he spends a LOT of time there! “Didn’t know he knew what the word meant.” That’s a good one. 😀
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 22:46:13 GMT
CBS This Morning..
”There will be some sacrifice on the part of Americans, I grant you that. But also that sacrifice is pretty minimal compared to the sacrifices that our soldiers make overseas that are fallen heroes or laid to rest," @sentomcotton on trade war with China”
This guy is a prick. He really is.
Josh Mahony is the Democrat running against Cotton..
”This is disgusting. My opponent Tom Cotton shouldn’t use the sacrifices of our troops to cover up for a disastrous trade war. Arkansas families are hurting because of this, and all Cotton is offering is offensive BS like this.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 13, 2019 22:50:31 GMT
Thought he was Jewish.....
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 23:14:42 GMT
trump..
”Today, I officially updated my budget to include $18 million for our GREAT @specialolympics, whose athletes inspire us and make our Nation so PROUD!”
I had a pithy response but this guy Adam Moyer says it better..
”Step 1: Create crisis Step 2: Fix self-created crisis Step 3: Claim victory”
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Post by hop2 on May 13, 2019 23:31:28 GMT
Thought he was Jewish..... Trump? No way His daughter converted so she could marry Jared but Trump himself isn’t currently Jewish nor was he raised Jewish. Wether or not he is technically Jewish it has a Jewish birthright I do not know but I doubt it.
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Post by hop2 on May 13, 2019 23:34:11 GMT
trump.. ”Today, I officially updated my budget to include $18 million for our GREAT @specialolympics, whose athletes inspire us and make our Nation so PROUD!” I had a pithy response but this guy Adam Moyer says it better.. ”Step 1: Create crisis Step 2: Fix self-created crisis Step 3: Claim victory” yeah Next time someone asks what Trump has done we will get “he saved Special Olympics” Smh From himself?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 14, 2019 0:46:52 GMT
(and like Stephanie Miller said this morning on Progressive radio: 'isn't government supported, govt-controlled industry basically the definition of socialism? Isn't that what the conservatives say they DON'T want?) I loathe that man-- and his entire sycophantic, pusillanimous, kowtowing, fake-Christian, ASS-kissing, entourage-- with pretty much every.fiber.of.my. being. LOATHE. Oh wait I may have that all wrong too!! (Shame on me thought @crimsonct05 was being 'snitty' !! Oops to me!) Trump? No way His daughter converted so she could marry Jared but Trump himself isn’t currently Jewish nor was he raised Jewish. Wether or not he is technically Jewish it has a Jewish birthright I do not know but I doubt it. No not dt! I put 2 paragraphs together and got it wrong............ That old reading comprehension needs practice here........
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Post by hop2 on May 14, 2019 0:54:58 GMT
(and like Stephanie Miller said this morning on Progressive radio: 'isn't government supported, govt-controlled industry basically the definition of socialism? Isn't that what the conservatives say they DON'T want?) I loathe that man-- and his entire sycophantic, pusillanimous, kowtowing, fake-Christian, ASS-kissing, entourage-- with pretty much every.fiber.of.my. being. LOATHE. Trump? No way His daughter converted so she could marry Jared but Trump himself isn’t currently Jewish nor was he raised Jewish. Wether or not he is technically Jewish it has a Jewish birthright I do not know but I doubt it. No not dt! I put 2 paragraphs together and got it wrong............ That old reading comprehension needs practice here........ Oh, I’m sorry, Stephen Miller yeah I don’t know.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 1:00:18 GMT
trump.. ”Today, I officially updated my budget to include $18 million for our GREAT @specialolympics, whose athletes inspire us and make our Nation so PROUD!” I had a pithy response but this guy Adam Moyer says it better.. ”Step 1: Create crisis Step 2: Fix self-created crisis Step 3: Claim victory” yeah Next time someone asks what Trump has done we will get “he saved Special Olympics” Smh From himself? Did he not propose to defund them then backtracked a few weeks ago after Betty DeVos defended the cuts? why is he making a song and dance about it now? ETA LINK
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Post by hop2 on May 14, 2019 1:03:37 GMT
yeah Next time someone asks what Trump has done we will get “he saved Special Olympics” Smh From himself? Did he not propose to defund them then backtracked a few weeks ago after Betty DeVos defended the cuts? why is he making a song and dance about it now? ETA LINKso he can campaign in ‘he saved special Olympics’
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Post by peano on May 14, 2019 2:13:22 GMT
No not dt! I put 2 paragraphs together and got it wrong............ That old reading comprehension needs practice here........ Oh, I’m sorry, Stephen Miller yeah I don’t know. If you are referring to Stephen Miller, not Stephanie Miller, yes, regrettably, he is a member of the tribe. However I believe he has been denounced by family members and his rabbi.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 2:22:48 GMT
yeah Next time someone asks what Trump has done we will get “he saved Special Olympics” Smh From himself? Did he not propose to defund them then backtracked a few weeks ago after Betty DeVos defended the cuts? why is he making a song and dance about it now? ETA LINKBecause he is running for president and he is in campaign mode. He already promised to but some money in the budget for an environmental project in Florida. Now we have the Special Olympics back.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 3:07:45 GMT
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 14, 2019 3:59:38 GMT
Anyone worried about the four ships damaged in the UAE, and how Trump is probably going to build a case for war in Iran?
Why is he gunning for war? Or is it just the new thing to keep the spotlight off of his obstruction?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 4:07:54 GMT
Tim Kaine..
”This is complete madness.
Trump cancels a diplomatic deal with Iran—against the advice of Secretary Tillerson, Secretary Mattis, European allies, the International Atomic Energy Agency—and now has drawn up plans to send 120,000 American troops into a new war in the Middle East.”
Yes I guess we should be worried. Especially if trump thinks if we are in a war, he will be re-elected for sure,
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 9:23:41 GMT
Did he not propose to defund them then backtracked a few weeks ago after Betty DeVos defended the cuts? why is he making a song and dance about it now? ETA LINK Because he is running for president and he is in campaign mode.
He already promised to but some money in the budget for an environmental project in Florida. Now we have the Special Olympics back. I knew that really, it was a rhetorical question It's par for the course for him.
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Post by cade387 on May 14, 2019 9:50:53 GMT
Well, I would have to disagree with the bolded, since she clearly says "there's a calming feeling...when (she) thinks about the Holocaust..." I can't think of a single instance in which a normal, non-white supremacist person's primary feeling relating to the Holocaust would be "calming". We'll have to agree to disagree because I read it like this :-- House Republican leaders took aim at Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) on Sunday for a podcast interview in which she discussed her support for a one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Tlaib was asked about her position on the issue. Her answer to that question was “There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, She wasn't asked how she felt about the Holocaust she was asked how she felt about a one state solution to the conflict. She then went on to say that she also thinks of what happened to her ancestors when thinking of the Holocaust or anyone that mentions it and explained what happened. No way can one interpret that as feeling calm about the Holocaust IMO. Did you listen to the podcast? I listened to it as it was released (before this sound byte made the news) and I didn’t hear anything of what you typed. When I saw the words typed out they definitely read different than she sounded when being interviewed. I may not agree with her on a lot of things but this isn’t something I would say is a reason to demonize her.
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