So I’m thinking the greater good is to have cleaner air to breath.
oh, me, too. I know plenty of farmers, but the greater good should definitely win out in this case. I just don't think it WILL.
and changing gears totally, since when can the President exert executive privilege on anything he doesn't want made public? and WHY do they have to go through the motions of the legal system to battle this shitshow when it's all so obviously obstruction?!?
”69% of American voters say that any sitting president should be subject to criminal charges. Just 24% say a president should be charged with crimes after he or she leaves office, according to Quinnipiac.”
”Senate Majority Leader McConnell shrugs off a question Tuesday about whether he received special treatment from the Transportation Dept. because of his marriage to the agency’s secretary, Elaine Chao.”
They are not making any attempt to hide the corruption. Not here with Chao, not with Kuehner getting huge loans from unnamed sources. None of it. Right out there in the open for all to see.
I read something today that made me wonder, it said Rasmussen (sp?) polls were only to those with a land line. Are all polls like that? I’m making assumptions here, but it seems that is missing a large portion of the population that is less likely to support him. The only people I know with a landline are my mom (72) and Grandad (93). Or maybe more people are just truly awful and/or uninformed than I thought.
Eta: Merge just read your post, good point I hadn’t considered and I think we were thinking along the same lines.
We have a landline. We never use it and never answer it. Nobody calls other than robocalls. It came bundled with our cable and internet. We are solidly not in favor of Trump.
My in laws are in their mid 70s. They just ditched their landline 2 years ago, and just have cell phones now. They adore Trump.
That’s fair, I just wonder if you’re the exception rather than the rule.
I wonder if dimwit donnie really understands what he implied?
ABC News..
”EXCLUSIVE: Pres. Trump tells @gstephanopoulos he wouldn't necessarily alert the FBI if approached by foreign figures with information on his 2020 opponent: "It’s not an interference. They have information. I think I’d take it." abcn.ws/2R8UZp2”
From the article...
“"I think you might want to listen, there isn't anything wrong with listening," Trump continued. "If somebody called from a country, Norway, [and said] ‘we have information on your opponent' -- oh, I think I'd want to hear it."
President Trump made the remark during an exclusive interview with ABC News over the course of two days, wherein Stephanopoulos joined the president on a visit to Iowa and back to Washington for a day inside the White House.
Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process.
"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI -- if I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research, right, they come up with oppo research, 'oh let's call the FBI.' The FBI doesn't have enough agents to take care of it. When you go and talk, honestly, to congressman, they all do it, they always have, and that's the way it is. It's called oppo research."
I was literally just coming here to post that. The POTUS effectively just solicited information about his opponents in the next election from foreign governments. But he probably won’t tell the FBI because they’re too busy, or something. Oh, and because that’s how the real world works.
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
I would agree. He's inviting foreign interference into our elections. That should concern even his most die hard supporters.
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
I would agree. He's inviting foreign interference into our elections. That should concern even his most die hard supporters.
Bold mine..... I do not understand how they can continue to support him. It boggles the mind!!
GOP pro-birth, NOT pro-life, proven May 24, 2022 at ROBB School, Uvalde, TX.
Dissent is not disloyalty: it is democracy!
“A speech disorder is a lot easier to treat than a character defect.” -- Chesley B. Sullenberger III RBG RIP!
I am PRO-Children in schools where they should be safe!
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
What CIA comments yesterday? I’ve been so busy, I’ve missed important stuff, apparently.
LUCYG Northern California
MoreCowbell says I’m a racist … hmm … 9/10/23
"The old Two Peas forum was American, but this one was set up by a Brit, as no one else could be arsed." --anniebygaslight 5/2/18
"Reality has a liberal bias, I guess." --pierogi 7/9/18
Wonder, are they still together? Particularly after his most recent comments about posing in pictures with bodies of those he kill while in the military.
On Wednesday, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported that Margaret Hunter, the wife of indicted Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) and a co-defendant in his case, will change her plea to guilty in federal court on Thursday morning.
The details of the plea deal she struck with federal prosecutors is unknown, as is whether she is cooperating against her husband.
Hunter and his wife were indicted last year on 60 charges for an alleged scheme to divert campaign funds for personal use and falsify government disclosures. Prosecutors say the two of them used hundreds of thousands of dollars donated to their campaigns on trips to Europe, private school tuition, groceries, bar tabs, dental bills, video games, and even to fly his family’s pet rabbit across the country.
In one incident, as Hunter allegedly sought to charge a clothes purchase to his campaign account, his wife advised him to buy at a pro golf store so that he could pretend he was buying “some golf [balls] for the wounded warriors.” In another, Hunter, who is a former Marine, tried to arrange a tour of an overseas Navy facility to make it look like the $14,000 trip to Italy he had billed to his campaign, and when officials told him they couldn’t accommodate him on that date, he reportedly told his chief of staff, “Tell the Navy to go fuck themselves.”
Initially, Hunter tried to dismiss the gigantic, questionable expenditures as a mistake, claiming that he got his credit cards mixed up, and reimbursed $60,000 of it (a tiny fraction of the total he spent). He later threw his wife under the bus, claiming that she was responsible for the whole fraudulent scheme ** www.rawstory.com/2019/06/indicted-congressmans-wife-will-change-her-plea-to-guilty-report/
GOP pro-birth, NOT pro-life, proven May 24, 2022 at ROBB School, Uvalde, TX.
Dissent is not disloyalty: it is democracy!
“A speech disorder is a lot easier to treat than a character defect.” -- Chesley B. Sullenberger III RBG RIP!
I am PRO-Children in schools where they should be safe!
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
What CIA comments yesterday? I’ve been so busy, I’ve missed important stuff, apparently.
Kim Jung Un's brother was supposedly working with the CIA and dt said his CIA would never do that......There is more to the story........ The brother who was killed in Malaysia?
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GOP pro-birth, NOT pro-life, proven May 24, 2022 at ROBB School, Uvalde, TX.
Dissent is not disloyalty: it is democracy!
“A speech disorder is a lot easier to treat than a character defect.” -- Chesley B. Sullenberger III RBG RIP!
I am PRO-Children in schools where they should be safe!
Between this and his CIA comments yesterday, I think it deserves its own thread. This is, not just Trump being Trump. I am seriously disturbed right now and waiting for reactions from other politicians to become public.
What CIA comments yesterday? I’ve been so busy, I’ve missed important stuff, apparently.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump took a public stance against the use of CIA informants to spy on North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Tuesday, saying it would not happen on his watch and possibly taking away a valuable tool of the U.S. intelligence community.
Trump’s remarks to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House represented a fresh attempt by the president to cozy up to the North Korean leader, a policy that has drawn criticism for seeming to overlook Kim’s autocratic rule.
Trump spoke a day after the Wall Street Journal reported that Kim’s slain half-brother, Kim Jong Nam, was a source for the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Kim Jong Nam was killed at the airport in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, in 2017.
“I saw the information about the CIA, with respect to his brother, or half-brother. And I would tell him that would not happen under my auspices, that’s for sure. I wouldn’t let that happen under my auspices,” Trump said.
There is more at link. The Press was busy making a big deal about his love letters with Kim.
”NEWS: Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, chair of the House Marine Transportation Subcommittee, says he has been given the green light to investigate corruption allegations against Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao.”
”NEWS: Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, chair of the House Marine Transportation Subcommittee, says he has been given the green light to investigate corruption allegations against Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao.”
Would be great if this got McConnell out of his seat, but we know it won’t.
Finally I now understand how trump is going to #MAGA. He made it clear today.
Brian Schatz recapped nicely..
”This week the President said that he would side with KJU over the CIA and would take help from a foreign government in the next campaign and so I guess America First?”
He is going to sell this country to the highest foreign government bidder.
We have a landline. We never use it and never answer it. Nobody calls other than robocalls. It came bundled with our cable and internet. We are solidly not in favor of Trump.
My in laws are in their mid 70s. They just ditched their landline 2 years ago, and just have cell phones now. They adore Trump.
That’s fair, I just wonder if you’re the exception rather than the rule.
”I meet and talk to “foreign governments” every day. I just met with the Queen of England (U.K.), the Prince of Whales, the P.M. of the United Kingdom, the P.M. of Ireland, the President of France and the President of Poland. We talked about “Everything!” Should I immediately.....
”call the FBI about these calls and meetings? How ridiculous! I would never be trusted again. With that being said, my full answer is rarely played by the Fake News Media. They purposely leave out the part that matters.”
Apparently dimwit donnie is on spin control. And I’m sure some of his loyal supporters will buy this very bad attempt of cleaning up the mess he made yesterday.
I do not understand how they can continue to support him. It boggles the mind!!
Because they all only watch FOX and FOX probably didn't report the interview so they probably didn't hear it.
And they'll say that's not what he said even though it's on tape. And then they'll say it was taken out of context. Then they'll say well he said it but that's not what he meant.
”I meet and talk to “foreign governments” every day. I just met with the Queen of England (U.K.), the Prince of Whales, the P.M. of the United Kingdom, the P.M. of Ireland, the President of France and the President of Poland. We talked about “Everything!” Should I immediately.....
”call the FBI about these calls and meetings? How ridiculous! I would never be trusted again. With that being said, my full answer is rarely played by the Fake News Media. They purposely leave out the part that matters.”
Apparently dimwit donnie is on spin control. And I’m sure some of his loyal supporters will buy this very bad attempt of cleaning up the mess he made yesterday.
It makes me understand how the kool-aid drinkers can say what they say - they just spew his words back. It made me sick to listen.
I don't know how they can read the same Mueller report I read and say it completely exonerates Trump. Mueller even said in the report that it didn't - he used those exact words. But I guess they have a different definition of exonerate!
I don't understand how intelligent people (and I have family and friends who do it) can be so blind and deaf!! I guess they believed Trump when he said "What you see and what you hear isn't true"!
There were hundreds of comments on the npr article about his interview that said he was within his rights to get "opposition research" from another country, that there is nothing wrong with it. After all, Obama did it. (So they claim)
There were hundreds of comments on the npr article about his interview that said he was within his rights to get "opposition research" from another country, that there is nothing wrong with it. After all, Obama did it. (So they claim)
Nothing wrong with encouraging foreign governments (including non-allies at that) to spy on US Citizens, for his own personal benefit? Nothing wrong with meeting with a foreign power (again, including non-allies), knowing they have spied on a US Politician, and not reporting it to our IC? He’s making a false equivalence between planned, known, public, documented meetings with known allies and covert meetings with non-allies who have spied on our country and people are lapping it up.
“The U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) calls on President Donald J. Trump to remove Ms. Conway from her federal position immediately," the agency wrote in a letter to the White House.
The White House immediately rejected the office’s recommendation that Conway be fired, saying its findings are “deeply flawed and violate her constitutional rights to free speech and due process.”
– Developing
I’ve read the full letter, but can only find it on twitter at this point. I will try imbedding the tweet but I have never been successful. Eta: not successful again, even though it looks like it will appear it just doesn’t. Anyway, @crewcrew tweeted it, and it mentioned that they’ve never had to issue multiple reports of Hatch Act violations by the same individual to the President.
From wiki, which I realize isn’t the best source but feel serves for this purpose:
The United States Office of Special Counsel (OSC) is a permanent independent federal investigative and prosecutorial agency whose basic legislative authority comes from four federal statutes: the Civil Service Reform Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, the Hatch Act, and the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA). OSC's primary mission is the safeguarding of the merit system in federal employment by protecting employees and applicants from prohibited personnel practices (PPPs), especially reprisal for "whistleblowing." The agency also operates a secure channel for federal whistleblower disclosures of violations of law, rule, or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; abuse of authority; and substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. In addition, OSC issues advice on the Hatch Act and enforces its restrictions on partisan political activity by government employees. Finally, OSC protects the civilian employment and reemployment rights of military service members under USERRA. OSC has around 120 staff, and the Special Counsel is an ex officio member of Council of Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency (CIGIE), an association of inspectors general charged with the regulation of good governance within the federal government
A little on the light side! Liar liar pants on fire!!
** On Thursday, White House spokesperson Hogan Gidley added to the confusion. Asked by Fox News whether President Donald Trump agreed with current FBI director Christopher Wray’s assertion that campaigns should inform the FBI about attempted election meddling, Gidley brought up former FBI director James Comey.
“He was very clear that if he got information and it was nefarious in any way he would absolutely take it to the FBI,” Gidley said. But the Fox hosts pushed back.
“The president responded that the FBI director is wrong,” they noted.
“First of all, I think we’re talking about James Comey,” Gidley said. “And all know James Comey sure is wrong after being a convicted liar and leaker.”
MSNBC’s David Gura mocked the apparent lie on Twitter:
View image on Twitter David Gura ✔ @davidgura PRESIDENT TRUMP, to @gstephanopoulos: The F.B.I. Director is wrong...
HOGAN GIDLEY, earlier today: First of all, I think we were talking about James Comey at the time...
I do not understand how they can continue to support him. It boggles the mind!!
Because they all only watch FOX and FOX probably didn't report the interview so they probably didn't hear it.
And they'll say that's not what he said even though it's on tape. And then they'll say it was taken out of context. Then they'll say well he said it but that's not what he meant.
Just like they do for everything he says!
It boggles my mind as well!
me, too... my (trump-supporting) DH says things like 'the border and anti-immigration stance is necessary because the government's purpose is to protect the country.' But I doubt he will have two words to say about Trump basically announcing that the US is for sale to the highest bidder via tainting our elections process. Isn't protecting our election process ALSO important to protecting our country?
ETA: "White House spokesman Hogan Gidley" ... never heard of the guy! Where are they getting these people from, anyway?
person #1: "it's your turn to go on TV and defend his BS."
person #2: "I'm not doing it; I did it when he insulted the last person. YOU do it."
#1: "nope. I'm not going to say this stuff! I'd get laughed off the TV!!"
#2: "well, me, neither."
Is working in the WH like living in the town in the short story 'The Lottery' where they have a lottery to choose who will be the next human sacrifice, or something like that?!?
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