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Post by gillyp on Jun 24, 2019 17:59:31 GMT
It’s kicking off on FaceBook on the Two Hearts Crochet Page. People not happy with the ban.
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 24, 2019 18:03:48 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 24, 2019 18:17:43 GMT
Way to go Casey and Ravelry!
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 24, 2019 18:22:13 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. Ultimately, Ravelry is a business. They opted to create a platform that aligns with their values. Consider Penzey's spices; they regularly send out very liberal/Democratic marketing info. They FOR SURE have lost business due to that (even some folks on this board have expressed never buying from them because of their politics). Ravelry is doing something similar.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 24, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar?Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. I think this board would die a sad death and a new board would rise very quickly. Maybe Ravelry's move will lead to the rise of a knitter/crocheter's community based on the principles of white supremacy. Time will tell, but I don't think Ravelry is going to suffer with this move.
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Jun 24, 2019 18:28:50 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make:
Swastika-themed potholders Sweaters with a tiki torch motif Socks with Trump's face on it
Yeah, that's about it, I guess.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 24, 2019 18:31:02 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make: Swastika-themed potholders Sweaters with a tiki torch motif Socks with Trump's face on it Yeah, that's about it, I guess. You know someone's out there knitting a confederate flag toaster cozy.
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sueg
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Post by sueg on Jun 24, 2019 18:32:55 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make: Swastika-themed potholders Sweaters with a tiki torch motif Socks with Trump's face on it Yeah, that's about it, I guess. You know someone's out there knitting a confederate flag toaster cozy. I know the two of you are making jokes, but you are not far off the mark about some of the patterns that led up to this policy.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 24, 2019 18:39:55 GMT
You know someone's out there knitting a confederate flag toaster cozy. I know the two of you are making jokes, but you are not far off the mark about some of the patterns that led up to this policy. *deep neverending please let's unfuck this country sigh*
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Post by hop2 on Jun 24, 2019 18:49:47 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make: Swastika-themed potholders Sweaters with a tiki torch motif Socks with Trump's face on it Yeah, that's about it, I guess. The ‘Tiki’ company actually put out an announcement about the mis-use of their product.
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Post by heather on Jun 24, 2019 19:17:00 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. They are not banning conservative views...they are banning pro-Trump views. Two different things.
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Post by pierogi on Jun 24, 2019 19:27:06 GMT
This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. They are not banning conservative views...they are banning pro-Trump views. Two different things. It’s a sad commentary on our country when white supremacy and hatred are just “political views.”
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LeaP
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Post by LeaP on Jun 24, 2019 19:30:09 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make: If it was macrame would it be Knotzis? (I confess to liking the Yarrrrn t-shirts too much)
ETA: pierogi totally agree that we are living in tragic times with white supremacy and hatred having a place front and center stage.
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pudgygroundhog
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 24, 2019 19:47:21 GMT
If conservatives don't like it, they can help themselves and start drawing a line between racism/homophobia/misogyny and conservative views. These days they are indistinguishable.
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Post by disneypal on Jun 24, 2019 20:04:26 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 24, 2019 20:13:27 GMT
I have never seen any politics there and I don't want to but still wow. That said they can do what they want to. I just go there for inspiration and patterns. For the most part I try to avoid forums or groups that allow politics as people can just get so nasty about it. Here I mostly ignore it and enjoy other threads.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 20:24:49 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. That's it in a nutshell.
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Post by shevy on Jun 24, 2019 20:36:41 GMT
But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy. If you read the post on Ravelry about it, he's pretty specific about why he's banning all Trump talk. It's not just because he's Trump, but because he's the president and seems to support white supremacy. And it's not just Ravelry that's doing this. There is a gaming site that started banning Trump and more sites like Ravelry are following suit. Some of my Facebook groups have posted the same rules as Ravelry because of issues the group creators have been finding.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 24, 2019 21:02:03 GMT
This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. That's it in a nutshell. So what? They can do what they like with their group.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Jun 24, 2019 21:09:18 GMT
But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry. We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is unambiguously support for white supremacy. If you read the post on Ravelry about it, he's pretty specific about why he's banning all Trump talk. It's not just because he's Trump, but because he's the president and seems to support white supremacy. And it's not just Ravelry that's doing this. There is a gaming site that started banning Trump and more sites like Ravelry are following suit. Some of my Facebook groups have posted the same rules as Ravelry because of issues the group creators have been finding.
I'm 61 years old. Before this administration if anyone would have ever said talk about the president of these United States would be banned because the president seems to support white supremacy I would have said you are off your rocker. I feel so unbelievably sad for our country.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Jun 24, 2019 22:32:29 GMT
Yeah, maybe someone needs to start a group called Nazi Knitters or White Yarns Matter. Just think of the amazing things they'll be able to make: Swastika-themed potholders Sweaters with a tiki torch motif Socks with Trump's face on it Yeah, that's about it, I guess. I think my new signature is going to be "What pyccku said." Still chuckling at "White Yarns Matter" 😂
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Jun 24, 2019 22:40:12 GMT
This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. That's it in a nutshell. Isn't America grand? A draft dodging, half demented, pathological liar can become President of our great nation, and the unwashed masses *still* retain the Constitutional right to criticize him and do whatever they want with their own private businesses. #conservativepersecutionsyndrome
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Post by heather on Jun 24, 2019 22:56:39 GMT
And as usual, there’s more to it then just Casey not liking Trump. Apparently his wife has been stalked and harassed at fiber conventions by Donald Trump supporters.
Also, after someone reported an offensive pro-Donald Trump pattern the person was stalked and harassed with the designer encouraging her followers to stalk and harass this person.
And that’s just what is known.
But dude...having your wife stalked at a fiber convention?!? Seriously?!? How pathetic is that?!? I’m surprised he didn’t shut the whole damn site down.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 24, 2019 22:56:43 GMT
I would be curious to know about how this became an issue. Patterns, posts, both? I mean, did people have confederate flag patterns? How did this happen?
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Jun 24, 2019 23:07:43 GMT
Guess this nasty woman is gonna have to learn to knit. Good for him!
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pilcas
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Post by pilcas on Jun 24, 2019 23:58:02 GMT
So, I went to check out the site, cause you all got me curious, and registration is closed temporarily. Guess I was not the only one who was curious!
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Post by elaine on Jun 25, 2019 1:09:59 GMT
So, I went to check out the site, cause you all got me curious, and registration is closed temporarily. Guess I was not the only one who was curious! Back when Ravelry first opened, for the first year or so, registration was waiting list only. You applied and then had to wait from 2 weeks to a few months before space opened/Casey had the server power to accept the next wave of members and then you were invited to be a member. I could understand going back to that model, if only to serve as a bottle-neck to slow things down - some people who just wanted to make trouble wouldn’t be interested in waiting a few weeks to be allowed access. I wouldn’t blame him if, as heather said, Casey just decided to shut it all down.
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Jili
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Post by Jili on Jun 25, 2019 1:12:47 GMT
I wouldn’t blame him if, as heather said, Casey just decided to shut it all down. I hope not! I love that place. I'm not big on participating in the Forums, but I use it to track my projects, stash, needles, get patterns, etc! I'm fully in support of the Ravelry team. Edited to add: So glad to see you back, Elaine!
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 25, 2019 2:44:38 GMT
Another group I'm part of, not for knitting another hobby of mine, bans all political and religious posts, and it's kind of nice to not have the drama. This makes a lot more sense to me. I have no dog in this fight...I don't knit, have never been on ravelry, am not a trump supporter and I know it's their site and they can do as they wish. But banning just pro-trump stuff rubs me the wrong way. It's like they're basically saying if your political views don't match mine don't post; it's ok to bash him but no one is allowed to support him. Ban all political talk, kick off those who post offensive stuff, etc. but this just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be ok if admin here said no negative trump posts...you can post positive things about him but nothing negative. Can you imagine the uproar? Just playing devils advocate, again, I have no dog in this fight and don't really care one way or another what they do there. And rarely post in the political posts here either. I do have a dog in the fight - I use Ravelry daily, and am far from a trump fan - and I completely agree with you. It should be all or nothing. On the other hand, if it’s a private company they have the right to do what they want. And folks have the right to boycott & whatnot. I really hate politics.
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smginaz Suzy
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 25, 2019 3:23:17 GMT
I just wish that people would read the entire statement and process that led to this first. I see so many statements that reflect that the poster has either not done that, or has no critical thinking ability. And by that I don't mean everyone who disagrees with it. I am specifically referring to posts where it is obvious that the commentary is based on just the headline. When white supremacists are using your platform to post swastika patterns, harassing members outside of the site, posting addresses and encouraging other white supremacists to go to members' homes and harass them, and when you combine that with an administration that is unwilling to criticize or call out white supremacy behavior as abhorrent, I can support the refusal to allow access to that platform.
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