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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 25, 2019 1:19:46 GMT
... What actions do you think he will take?
This is a time I worry about greatly.
I want and need him to not be re-elected.
But Trump is a lunatic when he believes he is "winning."
What will he be like post election, when he has lost, but is still president for a few more months?
Will he try to change laws? Commit crime in plain sight? Start a war?
I'm going to ask honestly, what is the worst he can do? And how can we prepare ourselves for it?
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 25, 2019 1:23:17 GMT
I think he will become the king of pardons, issuing blanket pardons to anyone who might have been involved in his shady dealings. That way, prosecutors won’t be able to bring charges against them to try to flip them to testify.
I wouldn’t be surprised at a last minute resignation followed by a Pence pardon of Trump, either. After he signs a pardon for Pence, of course.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 25, 2019 1:32:49 GMT
I think he will become the king of pardons, issuing blanket pardons to anyone who might have been involved in his shady dealings. That way, prosecutors won’t be able to bring charges against them to try to flip them to testify. I wouldn’t be surprised at a last minute resignation followed by a Pence pardon of Trump, either. After he signs a pardon for Pence, of course. Holy cow. I never thought of a last minute resignation, along with pardons like that. Is that legally feasible?
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 25, 2019 1:34:49 GMT
I think he will become the king of pardons, issuing blanket pardons to anyone who might have been involved in his shady dealings. That way, prosecutors won’t be able to bring charges against them to try to flip them to testify. I wouldn’t be surprised at a last minute resignation followed by a Pence pardon of Trump, either. After he signs a pardon for Pence, of course. Holy cow. I never thought of a last minute resignation, along with pardons like that. Is that legally feasible? Can you pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted? I don’t think so? ....
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Post by mrssmith on Jul 25, 2019 1:40:57 GMT
I was thinking pardons for people who have been convicted (Manafort? or even other cronies not related to the Russia investigation). I would hope war wouldn't happen if the other countries felt more positive toward whoever is elected (Warren or Harris )
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 25, 2019 1:42:10 GMT
The good news is that he can only pardon at the federal level. Most of these asshats have probably committed state crimes.
I see him starting a war or destroying our country. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll lose the election and the die of natural causes.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 25, 2019 1:51:20 GMT
Well...he and his administration are already ignoring laws, making up laws, making up what he thinks the Constitution says...
I think lawyers like the ACLU will be on the ball for the next few years.
I think trump, Jared, Ivanka will steal any and all confidential information that they can get their grubby hands on.
I think that the trump’s will continue to erode any rules, sanctions, etc., that they can for places like North Korea, Russia, UAE, Saudi Arabia... because there is billions to be had there that are not here in the US, and places like that don’t mind killing off people or suppressing anyone who speaks out against them.
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Post by jillonthehill on Jul 25, 2019 1:54:19 GMT
If pardons are the worst thing we have to worry about I'll take it.
I'm afraid he is going to call the election rigged and start the next civil war. I've seen a few Facebook threads in which his base is all ready to take out every single liberal.
I am a very anti-gun, but I am actually thinking of taking a gun class because of this.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 25, 2019 1:54:22 GMT
Holy cow. I never thought of a last minute resignation, along with pardons like that. Is that legally feasible? Can you pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted? I don’t think so? .... Yes. Before or after conviction. Ford pardoned Nixon.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 2:04:10 GMT
It would be a very unpleasant and dangerous time!
Hold the House, win the Senate!!
That will be our safety net..... IF McConnell returns, he will do so much more damage even if there is a Dem president! The House holds, or is supposed to, the purse strings!
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Post by annaintx on Jul 25, 2019 2:06:33 GMT
Honest to God I think he is going to win again. Republicans are refusing to oppose him, there isn't even another Republican running!! And the apathy still prevalent among voters is what is going to give him a "win."
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Post by MissBianca on Jul 25, 2019 2:08:52 GMT
I foresee his team destroying content like computers, files, etc. I see zero transition meetings. No one on his team will be willing to give up any information. Hell obstruction is his middle name so of course they would obstruct the transition of power. If he opts to leave quietly I see him golfing from Nov to Jan and letting his minions do his dirty work. Lots of pardons from Mar-a-lago. But I don’t see him going quietly. I see him saying the election was rigged and that there won’t be any change in power.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 25, 2019 2:09:03 GMT
Honest to God I think he is going to win again. Republicans are refusing to oppose him, there isn't even another Republican running!! And the apathy still prevalent among voters is what is going to give him a "win." I am so afraid of this scenario.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 25, 2019 2:55:23 GMT
Can you pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted? I don’t think so? .... Yes. Before or after conviction. Ford pardoned Nixon. I think the only limitation is that he cannot pardon anyone for acts they haven’t committed yet. So he can’t issue a pardon for future crimes they might commit. But honestly, I’m not even sure about that.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 25, 2019 2:59:45 GMT
I don’t think he’ll do a lot. I think he’ll huff and puff and throw endless temper tantrums on Twitter. He will threaten to sue America and whoever his opponent was. He’ll claim the election was rigged and say the results aren’t true. There will be an investigation or recount. And the election will hopefully be found to be accurate and without interference. And then he’ll go the fuck away. And hopefully nobody in the media ever talks to that horrible man again.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 25, 2019 3:06:28 GMT
I think something along the lines of the crap that weasel Walker pulled in Wisconsin on his way out.
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 25, 2019 3:10:43 GMT
I don’t think he’ll do a lot. I think he’ll huff and puff and throw endless temper tantrums on Twitter. He will threaten to sue America and whoever his opponent was. He’ll claim the election was rigged and say the results aren’t true. There will be an investigation or recount. And the election will hopefully be found to be accurate and without interference. And then he’ll go the fuck away. And hopefully nobody in the media ever talks to that horrible man again. I think you are correct about his reaction. Sadly, I think he is going to win again.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 25, 2019 3:11:29 GMT
I don’t think he’ll do a lot. I think he’ll huff and puff and throw endless temper tantrums on Twitter. He will threaten to sue America and whoever his opponent was. He’ll claim the election was rigged and say the results aren’t true. There will be an investigation or recount. And the election will hopefully be found to be accurate and without interference. And then he’ll go the fuck away. And hopefully nobody in the media ever talks to that horrible man again. I think you are correct about his reaction. Sadly, I think he is going to win again. I do not. I don’t think most of America likes this shit show he is “running”.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 25, 2019 3:12:06 GMT
I don’t think he’ll do a lot. I think he’ll huff and puff and throw endless temper tantrums on Twitter. He will threaten to sue America and whoever his opponent was. He’ll claim the election was rigged and say the results aren’t true. There will be an investigation or recount. And the election will hopefully be found to be accurate and without interference. And then he’ll go the fuck away. And hopefully nobody in the media ever talks to that horrible man again. I think you are correct about his reaction. Sadly, I think he is going to win again. which is why we need to take the Senate. Gardner's seat in Colorado is one we could flip
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 25, 2019 3:15:25 GMT
Yes. Before or after conviction. Ford pardoned Nixon. I think the only limitation is that he cannot pardon anyone for acts they haven’t committed yet. So he can’t issue a pardon for future crimes they might commit. But honestly, I’m not even sure about that. Hmm. I really don’t know. I can’t say I’ve thought about this before. My clear understanding is it only pertains to past acts. Which would make sense because to pardon someone prospectively would be to immunize that person in perpetuity. But I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try it.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 25, 2019 3:23:06 GMT
I think the only limitation is that he cannot pardon anyone for acts they haven’t committed yet. So he can’t issue a pardon for future crimes they might commit. But honestly, I’m not even sure about that. Hmm. I really don’t know. I can’t say I’ve thought about this before. My clear understanding is it only pertains to past acts. Which would make sense because to pardon someone prospectively would be to immunize that person in perpetuity. But I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try it. That’s my understanding, too. But if I’ve learned anything since November 2016 it’s that these truths we hold “to be self evident” are anything but. So while I cannot imagine a scenario where he could pardon future crimes, I cannot confidently state that its prohibited when it comes to this administration.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 3:27:14 GMT
Yes, add to the House, win the Senate!! Dollar, five dollar donations DO help! McConnell MUST go! From Ditch Mitch organization:Deep down, what Mitch McConnell fears most is losing – and he knows he’s vulnerable. Mitch is the most unpopular senator in the entire country. Even in ruby red Kentucky, the most recent poll shows that McConnell is only ahead 2 percentage points in a head-to-head match up against his Democratic opponent Amy McGrath.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 3:31:58 GMT
Hmm. I really don’t know. I can’t say I’ve thought about this before. My clear understanding is it only pertains to past acts. Which would make sense because to pardon someone prospectively would be to immunize that person in perpetuity. But I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try it. Question, although I think I have asked before but forget! If someone is pardoned are they then required to testify against others with immunity?
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 25, 2019 3:38:15 GMT
Hmm. I really don’t know. I can’t say I’ve thought about this before. My clear understanding is it only pertains to past acts. Which would make sense because to pardon someone prospectively would be to immunize that person in perpetuity. But I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try it. Question, although I think I have asked before but forget! If someone is pardoned are they then required to testify against others with immunity? Yes, they can be called as witnesses and can no longer plead the fifth (protection against self-incrimination).
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 25, 2019 3:43:12 GMT
I'm terrified of what he is going to do before election day. Insecurity and war wins elections and I dont believe he has limits as to what he will do to be the 'hero"
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Post by craftymom101 on Jul 25, 2019 3:47:16 GMT
Holy cow. I never thought of a last minute resignation, along with pardons like that. Is that legally feasible? Can you pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted? I don’t think so? .... I don’t think you can preemptively pardon someone, thank goodness. ETA: I’m wrong! Yes, you can be pardoned for crimes You haven’t been convicted of. Yikes.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 25, 2019 3:51:54 GMT
Can you pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted? I don’t think so? .... I don’t think you can preemptively pardon someone, thank goodness. Yes, a president can. Before or after a conviction.
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Post by Merge on Jul 25, 2019 4:01:40 GMT
Hopefully the state of New York will have a few things to indict him for, for which no one at the federal level can pardon him.
Part of me thinks that there will be a lot of sound and fury ultimately ending in a peaceful transfer of power and a return to politics as slightly more usual. Part of me thinks Russia will help convince Trumpers to start a civil war, and the group that ultimately takes over will be the Dominionists pulling Trump’s puppet strings, and we’ll end up as something close to Gilead coupled with white nationalism.
I guess it’s somewhat fitting that America as we know it stands to be taken down by a reality TV show host.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 4:34:01 GMT
Yes, a president can. Before or after a conviction. But, they will then be required to testify against others! refusal = contempt of court!
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Post by nlwilkins on Jul 25, 2019 7:02:03 GMT
I'm worried about his fans and he has a bunch who will take to the streets if they feel the urge. He will never admit to losing and will lie, lie, lie and they will believe very lie. He has already hinted at what his supporters will do when he said something like he doesn't thing his people will like it if he loses. Also, he has hinted at unlimited terms for him like the Chinese president got.
MackyWacky will not like to lose either and will back him all the way. Cause he also does not believe in the Constitution as evidenced by past actions in the Senate. So if both lose, then watch out for fireworks.
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