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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 25, 2019 12:43:30 GMT
I think the only limitation is that he cannot pardon anyone for acts they haven’t committed yet. So he can’t issue a pardon for future crimes they might commit. But honestly, I’m not even sure about that. Hmm. I really don’t know. I can’t say I’ve thought about this before. My clear understanding is it only pertains to past acts. Which would make sense because to pardon someone prospectively would be to immunize that person in perpetuity. But I wouldn’t put it past Trump to try it. Dershowitz/Acosta essentially did it with the sweetheart deal they gave Epstein —granted immunity to those persons not named in his sex trafficking scandal. So I think this could become the way of the future for trump and these Republicans—make laws that exempt them before anything happens to them. The trump/republican get out of jail free pass. |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 25, 2019 12:50:45 GMT
I think he will become the king of pardons, issuing blanket pardons to anyone who might have been involved in his shady dealings. That way, prosecutors won’t be able to bring charges against them to try to flip them to testify. I wouldn’t be surprised at a last minute resignation followed by a Pence pardon of Trump, either. After he signs a pardon for Pence, of course. the problem with pardons, is that without the threat of prosecution you can’t plead the fifth so you have to testify. In order to retain your 5th amendment rights you gave to reject the pardon. ( see Burdick vs US in the Supreme Court ) His best bet is to have Pence pardon him but he still had to deal with any state charges. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 13:02:24 GMT
His best bet is to have Pence pardon him but he still had to deal with any state charges. We could always hope Pence has done or participated in some unsavory things!! Then..... Speaker of the House is next in line!! That would depend on Dems adding to the House and Winning the Senate..... |
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Post by hop2 on Jul 25, 2019 13:14:10 GMT
His best bet is to have Pence pardon him but he still had to deal with any state charges. We could always hope Pence has done or participated in some unsavory things!! Then..... Speaker of the House is next in line!! That would depend on Dems adding to the House and Winning the Senate..... No speaker if the house isn’t necessarily ‘next’ in case of resignation. When the president resigns it is always the VP who is next. Yes, Trump can change who VP is but to skip VP the POTUS & VP would have to be removed simultaneously. The line of succession only comes into play when things happen simultaneously. There is no way they will simultaneously resign. Ford was President after Nixon because he was VP appointed by Nixon when Agnew resigned first. It had nothing to do with him being Speaker. Pence could resign first & Trump could appoint good ole Mitch. But someone will appoint a VP who will be POTUS. UNLESS things are so rapid that they are gone simultaneously or so fast the senate can’t approve an appointed VP. |
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Post by tracyarts on Jul 25, 2019 14:36:30 GMT
I think he will win too. Why? I have heard/read a lot of people in my local circle of acquaintance say that their life is going great so why fix something that isn't broken. Now these are not even vehement trump supporters. These are mostly white (some Latino), Christian (or nonreligious), upper working to middle class people (mostly in the petrochemical and shipping industries), who live in low-diversity suburban communities. They only care about their immediate situation. If an issue doesn't affect them or their kids directly, they don't care. As long as the paychecks keep coming, living expenses don't go up too much, Walmart stays open, their devices and media keep working, and the crime rate in their neighborhood stays low, they're happy and content. Kids in cages at the border? Not their problem. Rampant racism? Not their problem. Climate change? They don't see any proof of it. Industry deregulation? Good, more money to be made. Sexual misconduct allegations? Who cares. President is an amoral crook? So what, all politicians are crooks. Russian involvement? Fake news. Healthcare crisis? Their company gives good benefits, they can't relate. Deteriorating foreign relations? Who cares. And on and on. If it exists outside of their little bubble, they simply do not care. As far as they're concerned, Trump is president, life (for them) is good, so why risk rocking the boat and fucking up their good thing by putting someone new in office. Especially one of those "Socialist Democrats" who want to over-regulate the plants, raise their taxes, and tell them how to live their life. I mean, really...that is the exact mind set they're operating on. Honest to God I think he is going to win again. Republicans are refusing to oppose him, there isn't even another Republican running!! And the apathy still prevalent among voters is what is going to give him a "win." |
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Post by peaname on Jul 25, 2019 14:41:55 GMT
Didn’t we just talk about people being walked out by security on their last day? I’d like that!
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Post by Prenticekid on Jul 25, 2019 15:34:19 GMT
I am not evil enough to answer this question other than to say that he will do what he has already done. He has (and has been given) a laundry list of civil rights to roll back or eradicate, he will continue to eradicate environmental protections, he will continue to harm education, he will hand tie the fixes for all of his actions, and on and on and on. The harm he (they) has done is untollable and our children and grandchildren will suffer long after his a$$ is in the ground.
As an aside: I cannot fathom that Democrats, if they win, will be able to turn around all the horror that he and his minions have done. (Actually, I'm pretty sure that he is the minion.) Like, the EPA roll back on insecticides that are used on veggies, fruits, grains and nuts that have been scientifically proven to harm the brains of children...when will they get to that "little" thing when so much will need to be corrected? It boggles my mind that Trump supporters have no effing problem with Trump harming their small children.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jul 25, 2019 15:39:40 GMT
I think he'll pardon everyone, say he's "forced to resign" or some nonsense, then flee to Russia.
Or we implode and become Gilead and Nazi Germany all rolled into one.
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Post by sueg on Jul 25, 2019 15:43:04 GMT
As an aside: I cannot fathom that Democrats, if they win, will be able to turn around all the horror that he and his minions have done. (Actually, I'm pretty sure that he is the minion.) Like, the EPA roll back on insecticides that are used on veggies, fruits, grains and nuts that have been scientifically proven to harm the brains of children...when will they get to that "little" thing when so much will need to be corrected? It boggles my mind that Trump supporters have no effing problem with Trump harming their small children. It is going to take years, maybe even decades to undo all the damage done so far. I can't imagine how long it will take to repair the damage if he wins another term. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 25, 2019 19:39:54 GMT
It is going to take years, maybe even decades to undo all the damage done so far. I can't imagine how long it will take to repair the damage if he wins another term. If he wins another term, there will be no going back for decades. Today's kids will have no future and won't even remember what they will be missing! |
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Post by J u l e e on Jul 25, 2019 20:02:18 GMT
I think he'll pardon everyone, say he's "forced to resign" or some nonsense, then flee to Russia. Or we implode and become Gilead and Nazi Germany all rolled into one. I can't believe I'm actually typing this out - I was visiting friends (ex-family) in Canada earlier this summer (they follow US politics pretty closely). My friend owns several building supply stores in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. She said she'd hire me if it ever got to the point I wanted to leave the US. We laughed. But then got serious. I fear for my country. Sometimes an escape plan seems like something to keep in the back of my head. |
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 25, 2019 23:50:32 GMT
I think he'll pardon everyone, say he's "forced to resign" or some nonsense, then flee to Russia. Or we implode and become Gilead and Nazi Germany all rolled into one. I can't believe I'm actually typing this out - I was visiting friends (ex-family) in Canada earlier this summer (they follow US politics pretty closely). My friend owns several building supply stores in Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. She said she'd hire me if it ever got to the point I wanted to leave the US. We laughed. But then got serious. I fear for my country. Sometimes an escape plan seems like something to keep in the back of my head. I want to move to PEI, take me with you! |
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Post by Peal on Jul 25, 2019 23:54:08 GMT
Short the market and play a lot of golf. That's what I think he will do. I doesn't give a rat's ass to anyone but himself.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 26, 2019 0:03:34 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how it works but I have a friend in Canada (who I originally met on the 2 Peas Pub board!) and a friend in England who have both offered to sponsor our family if it comes down to it. I worry most about my kids and the possibility of a draft which all of the wing nuts dismiss as nonsense but you know, we're at a point where our government locks kids up in cages and demands that American citizens hundreds of miles from the border present their papers so I'm not ruling anything out anymore.
As my husband and I have been talking about our retirement over the last few years, we have always been considering various parts of the US. In the last few months, we've started to think about other options. Just as a possibility/consideration. The 2020 election may make these preliminary discussions more serious.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 26, 2019 0:30:31 GMT
If pardons are the worst thing we have to worry about I'll take it. I'm afraid he is going to call the election rigged and start the next civil war. I've seen a few Facebook threads in which his base is all ready to take out every single liberal. I am a very anti-gun, but I am actually thinking of taking a gun class because of this. ^^^^^ this this this this this I’m worried about civil war. His cult members are completely out of their minds. I don’t think he’ll do a lot. I think he’ll huff and puff and throw endless temper tantrums on Twitter. He will threaten to sue America and whoever his opponent was. He’ll claim the election was rigged and say the results aren’t true. There will be an investigation or recount. And the election will hopefully be found to be accurate and without interference. And then he’ll go the fuck away. And hopefully nobody in the media ever talks to that horrible man again. But I WISH I could count on this instead.  |
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Post by J u l e e on Jul 26, 2019 0:44:26 GMT
I'm not sure exactly how it works but I have a friend in Canada (who I originally met on the 2 Peas Pub board!) and a friend in England who have both offered to sponsor our family if it comes down to it. I worry most about my kids and the possibility of a draft which all of the wing nuts dismiss as nonsense but you know, we're at a point where our government locks kids up in cages and demands that American citizens hundreds of miles from the border present their papers so I'm not ruling anything out anymore. As my husband and I have been talking about our retirement over the last few years, we have always been considering various parts of the US. In the last few months, we've started to think about other options. Just as a possibility/consideration. The 2020 election may make these preliminary discussions more serious. I'm glad that didn't sound completely crazy. My daughter graduates next year and is looking to study Marine Biology at Dalhousie University in Halifax. There are obviously schools here in the US for that, but we're strongly considering it. She could go to Soith Carolina and know no one, or Nova Scotia and be near friends. Bonus - the possibility of staying and living and working in Canada. I never thought I'd consider that a good thing, but I do worry mostly for her. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2019 0:49:46 GMT
Yes, add to the House, win the Senate!! Dollar, five dollar donations DO help! McConnell MUST go! From Ditch Mitch organization:Deep down, what Mitch McConnell fears most is losing – and he knows he’s vulnerable. Mitch is the most unpopular senator in the entire country. Even in ruby red Kentucky, the most recent poll shows that McConnell is only ahead 2 percentage points in a head-to-head match up against his Democratic opponent Amy McGrath. I will give money to her campaign. Thank heaven VA has been steadily turning more and more blue since we moved here. I don’t mind sending money to other state campaigns - I gave to Beto. |
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Post by pyccku on Jul 26, 2019 1:45:57 GMT
As my husband and I have been talking about our retirement over the last few years, we have always been considering various parts of the US. In the last few months, we've started to think about other options. Just as a possibility/consideration. The 2020 election may make these preliminary discussions more serious. Us as well. It had always been a dream for us, but retirement is only 5 years away and if necessary, we could move it a little earlier. A couple of years ago, I insisted that DH do the paperwork to get dual citizenship for our kids with an EU country. He's already a dual citizen, but hadn't done anything to take care of it for the kids. We had to get a lawyer and make a trip to the consulate in Los Angeles. It cost us $900 but now he and the kids all have their paperwork and passports. He thought I was being a little panicky about it, but I told him that no matter what happened in the US, this would give the kids options. And now he's very glad we did it - not because we're going to be chased out of our country, but because we do have different options. DD1 wants to live in Germany after she finishes university. DD2 wouldn't mind living in Poland. DS probably won't be moving, but who knows... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 26, 2019 3:04:08 GMT
I will give money to her campaign. Thank heaven VA has been steadily turning more and more blue since we moved here. I don’t mind sending money to other state campaigns - I gave to Beto. McGrath may have a challenge at the primary.... Trouble is you get on all their mailing lists. I did Beto too. And a few others.... Oh Stacey Adams... |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 26, 2019 3:25:26 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war?
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Post by pyccku on Jul 26, 2019 3:47:08 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war? This is “it can’t happen here” thinking. Why do you think it couldn’t? things were fine in the former Yugoslavia- until they weren’t. It took very little to get people riled up enough that they saw their neighbors as enemies and were willing to shoot them. America isn’t special, there is no guarantee that things will turn out just because the alternative is horrible. We have had one civil war and there have already been attempts to kill perceived enemies by trump supporters. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 26, 2019 3:51:34 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war? This is “it can’t happen here” thinking. Why do you think it couldn’t? things were fine in the former Yugoslavia- until they weren’t. It took very little to get people riled up enough that they saw their neighbors as enemies and were willing to shoot them. America isn’t special, there is no guarantee that things will turn out just because the alternative is horrible. We have had one civil war and there have already been attempts to kill perceived enemies by trump supporters. Because I just don’t. I don’t believe that people will act this way because of political bullshit. I do not believe that people today will resort to mass violence against friends and family simply because they believe differently that they do. I honestly cannot believe that my dad, who voted for trump, would willingly murder me, my husband, and our children because we majorly disagree politically speaking. I just don’t. It’s a reality that I absolutely cannot fathom living in. |
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Post by pyccku on Jul 26, 2019 4:17:20 GMT
Sadly, history shows that these things can and do happen with disturbing frequency. Your dad may not do violence against you, but someone else’s dad might. Because to that person, you’re “them” and we have to protect “us.”
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Post by azredhead on Jul 26, 2019 4:18:33 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war? I live it every damn day. I've talked about it on here some. I had a big long post typed out, most came in before my mom died in 2017. but 1. I don't want to get flamed. I still have some conservative values 2. I tend to agree with a lot of what peas have shared over the years 3. the I've seen what it does to family and sadly I don't know what to make of it or if it's fixable. It also terrifies me in different ways. pierkiss you specifically have been good and I don't think you and your family would come to that. I also believe a lot of other factors come into play. People for the most part are generally good. I have to think that! |
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2019 4:44:17 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war? I didn’t think that Nazi’s would march 1 hour from my house in this day and age, let alone have a President that praised them. Fields was someone’s neighbor and son and that didn’t stop him from killing Heather Heyer with his car. Mob mentality is a very powerful thing. Who do you think all those people are who chant Lock Her Up and Send Her Back at the rallies? Neighbors and family members of others. Who do you think threatens members of the media at those rallies? Innumerable social psychology studies have shown how easy it is for people to dehumanize other people and once they do, how easy/“normal” it is for them to harm the “others” if told to do so by someone in authority. The wealth of research in this area that started with Milgram post-WWII is large. I, sadly, could see a Civil War of sorts break out if Trump is voted out of office. It won’t look like the one of the 19th Century, but a war nonetheless. Already we have ICE agents raiding communities and groups of people defending the people ICE are trying to take. It isn’t a big leap to groups of vigilantes, IMO, trying to get rid of the “others/illegals” and groups of other people defending them. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 26, 2019 4:45:36 GMT
Sadly, history shows that these things can and do happen with disturbing frequency. Your dad may not do violence against you, but someone else’s dad might. Because to that person, you’re “them” and we have to protect “us.” So my uncle then? As far as I know almost all of my extended family (aunts and uncles) voted for trump. (Based on various Facebook posts, no firm conversations). I just really can’t imagine that. I can’t imagine any family getting to this point. Where they are literally ready to rip each other to shreds over politics. And not even something as serious as slavery. Though I do admit, I am baffled/ignorant about how our ancestors got to that point when we had the civil war. Maybe someone can recommend a non-fiction read that delves into this aspect of the civil war. Because I haven’t heard any stories about the mentality of how people got to that point before, other than they realllly wanted to keep those people as slaves to work on their properties. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 26, 2019 4:49:55 GMT
Civil war? Seriously? I cannot see that happening here in this day and age. I just don’t think that family members are going to literally kill each other over stupid donald trump and the things he says. Nor do I think friends and neighbors will resort to violence with each other. I just don’t. What would be the end result with a civil war? I didn’t think that Nazi’s would march 1 hour from my house in this day and age, let alone have a President that praised them. Fields was someone’s neighbor and son and that didn’t stop him from killing Heather Heyer with his car. Mob mentality is a very powerful thing. Who do you think all those people are who chant Lock Her Up and Send Her Back at the rallies? Neighbors and family members of others. Who do you think threatens members of the media at those rallies? Innumerable social psychology studies have shown how easy it is for people to dehumanize other people and once they do, how easy/“normal” it is for them to harm the “others” if told to do so by someone in authority. The wealth of research in this area that started with Milgram post-WWII is large. I, sadly, could see a Civil War of sorts break out if Trump is voted out of office. It won’t look like the one of the 19th Century, but a war nonetheless. Already we have ICE agents raiding communities and groups of people defending the people ICE are trying to take. It isn’t a big leap to groups of vigilantes, IMO, trying to get rid of the “others/illegals” and groups of other people defending them. Those are very good points. I am very familiar with the Milgram experiment. And I can see how that comes into play here. But it’s the actual putting a gun (or whatever type of weapon) in the hand of one person and getting them to the point of killing a family member that I am having trouble with. I just can’t picture it. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2019 4:52:31 GMT
Sadly, history shows that these things can and do happen with disturbing frequency. Your dad may not do violence against you, but someone else’s dad might. Because to that person, you’re “them” and we have to protect “us.” So my uncle then? As far as I know almost all of my extended family (aunts and uncles) voted for trump. (Based on various Facebook posts, no firm conversations). I just really can’t imagine that. I can’t imagine any family getting to this point. Where they are literally ready to rip each other to shreds over politics. And not even something as serious as slavery. Though I do admit, I am baffled/ignorant about how our ancestors got to that point when we had the civil war. Maybe someone can recommend a non-fiction read that delves into this aspect of the civil war. Because I haven’t heard any stories about the mentality of how people got to that point before, other than they realllly wanted to keep those people as slaves to work on their properties. They didn’t view slaves as people, but as animals/property. They dehumanized them. And it, unfortunately, has been proven that it is all too easy for people to hurt other people once they no longer view them as equal human beings with all the same feelings/thoughts/drives that the perpetrators have. Eta: it really isn’t that different from the divide over how people view the asylum seekers who have crossed our southern border. There is a large segment of the population - led by Trump and his administration (Jeff Sessions early on) - that view them as non-human and deserving to be separated from their children/parents and thrown in cages. There is also a large segment of the population that finds the treatment of the asylum seekers as horrific. There is a split between the two groups that could easily lead to violence if the conditions were right. How do you think the Nazis managed to staff so many concentration camps and get so many workers to brutally kill 11 MILLION people? Do you know how many people it takes to kill 11 MILLION other people? It wasn’t just a handful. It was thousands upon thousands of sons, husbands and fathers that murdered others in cold blood. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 26, 2019 4:56:07 GMT
I didn’t think that Nazi’s would march 1 hour from my house in this day and age, let alone have a President that praised them. Fields was someone’s neighbor and son and that didn’t stop him from killing Heather Heyer with his car. Mob mentality is a very powerful thing. Who do you think all those people are who chant Lock Her Up and Send Her Back at the rallies? Neighbors and family members of others. Who do you think threatens members of the media at those rallies? Innumerable social psychology studies have shown how easy it is for people to dehumanize other people and once they do, how easy/“normal” it is for them to harm the “others” if told to do so by someone in authority. The wealth of research in this area that started with Milgram post-WWII is large. I, sadly, could see a Civil War of sorts break out if Trump is voted out of office. It won’t look like the one of the 19th Century, but a war nonetheless. Already we have ICE agents raiding communities and groups of people defending the people ICE are trying to take. It isn’t a big leap to groups of vigilantes, IMO, trying to get rid of the “others/illegals” and groups of other people defending them. Those are very good points. I am very familiar with the Milgram experiment. And I can see how that comes into play here. But it’s the actual putting a gun (or whatever type of weapon) in the hand of one person and getting them to the point of killing a family member that I am having trouble with. I just can’t picture it. I don’t envision that is at all what a civil war would look like here now. Civil War doesn’t mean family members shooting family members (although it can encompass that), what it means is two or more groups in one country fighting each other for power and control. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 26, 2019 5:49:16 GMT
I didn’t think that Nazi’s would march 1 hour from my house in this day and age, let alone have a President that praised them. Fields was someone’s neighbor and son and that didn’t stop him from killing Heather Heyer with his car. Mob mentality is a very powerful thing. Who do you think all those people are who chant Lock Her Up and Send Her Back at the rallies? Neighbors and family members of others. Who do you think threatens members of the media at those rallies? Innumerable social psychology studies have shown how easy it is for people to dehumanize other people and once they do, how easy/“normal” it is for them to harm the “others” if told to do so by someone in authority. The wealth of research in this area that started with Milgram post-WWII is large. I, sadly, could see a Civil War of sorts break out if Trump is voted out of office. It won’t look like the one of the 19th Century, but a war nonetheless. Already we have ICE agents raiding communities and groups of people defending the people ICE are trying to take. It isn’t a big leap to groups of vigilantes, IMO, trying to get rid of the “others/illegals” and groups of other people defending them. Those are very good points. I am very familiar with the Milgram experiment. And I can see how that comes into play here. But it’s the actual putting a gun (or whatever type of weapon) in the hand of one person and getting them to the point of killing a family member that I am having trouble with. I just can’t picture it. I can envision a couple of different scenarios, neither of which would (necessarily) involve family members killing other family members. We are not talking about people getting mad at the other side of a political divide, picking up weapons, and aiming them at the closest people who believe differently. Stressors would be much more intense. (1) Trump loses the election. He calls it fake news, the election was rigged, the “illegals” voted by the millions, whatever. He refuses to concede and refuses to leave the White House. Can he be removed by force? I don’t know. If not, we have a Constitutional crisis of epic proportions. If his supporters stand by him, tensions could boil over into violence very easily. Picture a Women’s March size protest in every city in this country, coming under violent attack by Trump supporters. Local law enforcement steps in, but they need help. They ask for help from the feds. The person in charge of the feds refuses to engage, because he’s happy to see his supporters beating in the heads of people who hate him. Hell, he’s been egging them on for years. Result = civil war. If he is forcibly removed, his remaining supporters will go batshit crazy, and either way, they’re the ones with most of the guns and ammo. Again, he will encourage them to fight this outrage in the streets. Result = civil war. (2) Trump wins the election. This is the scarier possibility. He feels invincible, and he starts pulling unconstitutional strong-man stunts that he’s threatened before, but always been talked down since it’s, duhh, unconstitutional. But now he thinks no one can take him down. He starts ignoring court orders, maybe he arrests a few journalists or James Comey or Ilhan Omar. Maybe he tells the military to open fire at the border. He closes the border to Muslims (except his rich friends, of course). He ships hundreds of immigrant children over to Gitmo where we can’t see what’s happening to them (he’s already threatened to do this). He arrests the mayor of San Francisco for refusing to cooperate with ICE raids. Christian Dominionists get put in charge of women’s health issues, public education, non-supportive houses of worship get shut down and their priests/pastors/rabbis/imams start to disappear ... oh, let’s not even go there. Maybe protestors start being arrested by the thousands. More detention camps will be needed. A couple more years down the road, and he’ll be working on an amendment to allow him to stay in office for as long as he likes. Objections? The power grid goes down for a few days, a few weeks ... life as we know it is over. Don’t think it can’t happen here. He already owns Congress and he’s going to own the federal judiciary soon. So California and maybe Oregon and Washington, maybe Nevada and Hawaii, say nuhh-uh, we’re not playing this game with you. We will secede and take our formerly happy economies with us. You think Trump is going to take that lying down? He may have trouble with New York, New Jersey, and New England, too. Oh wait, more happy economies want out. He will not let us go peacefully. Result = civil war. And he has the nukes. Seriously. Don’t think it can’t happen here. It could happen faster than you can imagine. ETA holy crap! This was my 15,000th post!! I talk too much! |
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