gloryjoy
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Post by gloryjoy on Oct 14, 2014 12:52:17 GMT
This post makes me kind of sad, I am a FMIL. I hope my FDIL doesn't feel that way about me.
I am doing the invitations and the decorating of the tables and hall because she asked me. I am creative, her family is not.
She told me she is feeling stressed and pressured trying to fit everyone in for dress shopping. Her grandma is paying for the dress and has been out with her once. She has to take her stepmom out with her and then her mom separately because her mother does not like to be around her stepmom. She said she wants to go with me as well and I told her she does not have to take me. I would accept if she asked me but she doesn't have to, I will not be hurt, I will not go home and throw myself on the bed and cry. I am okay with it.
It is hard when you are a mother of son's, after all we are giving up our son's as well.
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Post by eebud on Oct 14, 2014 13:02:38 GMT
Yesterday I had a few harsh posts and today I would probably post the same thing but said differently. My son told me last night (hypothetically) that what the bride and her mom do is their business. So probably what I will do if I ever have the chance to be invited, is just decline the invite to go dress shopping. I would gush about being invited and how thoughtful but politely decline. It is hard to let go of your adult child sometimes, and as the mother of boys, it is always in my mind that what the wife wants will override everything else, especially when it comes to her side of the family. I'd love to think it will be different, but that is up to my sons, not me. They would have to be the ones to include me unless I get a daughter in law with an inclusive heart. That is something I didn't have for my own mothers in law to the extent I could have. I have seen the same thing as you in way too many cases. I think my DS has decided he doesn't want to get married. He is an adult and can definitely make that decision. He has had long time girlfriends though and I do my best to not interfere or poke my nose in where it doesn't belong. I think this has helped me get along very well with every girlfriend he has had, not that it is that many. LOL He tends to have long time, multi-year girlfriends. I think in a lot of cases, they think he will eventually want to marry but he doesn't. He had one girlfriend that they did discuss marriage but I got the feeling it was more her discussing then him. One night when we were out to dinner, she asked me what I thought about them getting married. I told her that if they decided to be married, I would be thrilled but it was obviously their decision. I also told them that all I asked is that I was able to be there when they married even if they only went to the JP. She said that she wanted a small wedding. I also told her that I would be happy to help with the wedding in any way that she wanted. She told me that she would love to have my help. She said her mom was not really "into" planning weddings and she knew I was craftsy and enjoyed planning events. Also, her mom lived in England and I only lived one state over. It warmed my heart to know that she welcomed my help and input but I would have been careful not to overstep. Ultimately, a wedding never happened and they split. I am still friends with her today and we are going to get together for lunch next time I am in town because I haven't seen her in a while. We keep up with each other on FB. myboysnme, I hope that one day your DS(s) will have a SO that will welcome you too.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 14, 2014 14:25:17 GMT
I find it a bit odd that you're annoyed that she said $300 is nothing regarding the amount over budget, but ultimately you agreed with her-it was the "one" and you bought it anyway. I agree with many previous posters that expecting to pay for 6, but getting a separate bill for her is downright tacky.
If you don't particularly like her, you don't like her. I strongly urge you to keep your opinion and venting far, far away from your real life. Forget about an interesting year, this woman will be a part of your life FOREVER. She will be your future grandchildren's grandmother. We all have family members who wouldn't be our friends. I have a huge family with a whole lot of "characters". There are some truly toxic people who go in a different category, but I'm truly glad to know and love many people who aren't like me. My life and my children's lives are much richer. I'd also say learning to get along with differing people graciously while not being a pushover is a hugely under rated skill that has proved invaluable in the corporate world.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Oct 14, 2014 14:30:45 GMT
I'm with whoever said that it was very nice of you to make the gesture and invite her along. Now you know what she's like, and you can keep your distance. I'd venture to suggest that she can offer an opinion if she is contributing to the cost of the occasion. Not otherwise.
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Post by mommaho on Oct 14, 2014 14:31:37 GMT
I didn't mean to push anyone's buttons on this subject as I was just venting so I'm sorry if I sounded disrespectful to anyone as that was not my intention.
DD gets along fine with her FMIL which is great since she is going to marry her son.
DD and FSIL have been dating for a little over 5 years. He has a long history of not paying bills, unable to keep a job and just not a sociable person when at our house. When he came to ask our permission to marry our daughter (which he did because he was told by DD that is what he needed to do) he was very sincere and DH was very careful to point out to him that his history wasn't the greatest and if he expected to marry our daughter that he needed to be able to support her emotionally and financially. That was in October of last year, and he proposed on Christmas Eve. Within those two months he enrolled in college part time with a career in mind and has pulled his life together. His mom (FMIL) told me that they didn't know what DH had said to them but it was more than they ever could because it really woke him up.
I don't dislike FMIL. As I stated earlier we are two different personalities other than our children falling in love I don't think we would have ever been friends as we don't have anything else in common. We get along I just don't care for how outspoken she is and I'm allowed to feel that way.
DD and FSIL financial situation does not allow them to contribute to the wedding.
I have three daughters and this is the second wedding for our family. I'm not new to all this - I just want what my daughter wants.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 14:52:07 GMT
Thank you all for your comments. DD wanted her to feel a part of the event so we asked her to come along, even knowing she can be very outspoken I really didn't think her "two cents worth" would be so vocal! Now I know and future appt. will only be with the bridesmaids and DD! This outing was my mom, oldest daughter, bride, one other bridesmaid (whose daughter will be the flower girl) and FMIL. I didn't expect my girls to pay, and knew that bridesmaid probably didn't have the $$. My Mom offered her share to me outside. I guess I would never go and just expect the other person to pay, but that is just me. When FSIL first proposed FMIL said they would be willing to help and knew there was a list of who should pay for what so they will take care of what they were supposed to take care of. So basically - they are taking care of whatever The Knot says they should pay and that will be it. Except, she offered to use a friends daughter who was just getting started do the engagement pictures which is a grand total of $85.00. Which ok - drives me crazy because I won't have the CD - she will!!!!! I know all you scrappers get that! I wasn't expecting them to pay for anything more than the Grooms Family is supposed to take care of - I just really didn't expect her to be telling me or DD how much we should be spending if that makes sense! Thanks for letting me vent . . . FSIL makes our DD happy (we are still getting used to him!)- and that is all that counts in the grand scheme of things! I do need to speak up for myself more but I hate confrontation! Wow just wow.....This sounds eerily familiar but with a twist being I was the grooms mom. When my DS got married....his future wife's father offered X amount of $$$ toward the reception....said he would pay for cake, flowers and the limo. TWO DAYS before the wedding he told her to call the caterer and get there amount of people times the amount per plate and that is how much he gave them (he didn't even pay for his own daughter's dinner)....this was thousands lower than they were expecting...he didn't pay for flowers or the limo....and the rehearsal dinner...when the bill came he thanks us for taking care of the whole thing and walked out with his wife, mother, father, and other guests he invited....I was so shocked my mouth fell open and no words would come out....
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gloryjoy
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Post by gloryjoy on Oct 14, 2014 14:55:31 GMT
We all want what makes our children happy, son's or daughters.
I hope I didn't upset you, that wasn't my intention. I know you were venting and it is better to vent here than to your FSIL.
Often I read posts about how mother-in-law's are so horrible, not just here, but other places too. As a mother of only boys there are a lot of things we miss out on, a lot of firsts as well. I am thrilled that my son is getting married to our FDIL and am very happy that she has included me in things. It is nice to be included.
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Post by momstime on Oct 14, 2014 15:05:21 GMT
My daughter better never date, let alone marry a guy who doesn't pay his bills, isn't sociable and can't keep a job. The FMIL would be the least of my worries. The good news is people can change, so I hope that is the continued case for your FSIL. My MIL of 26 years is/was the Regina George of her time. Drives me crazy, but thankfully I only have to deal with her a few times a year.
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Post by mommaho on Oct 14, 2014 15:18:57 GMT
We all want what makes our children happy, son's or daughters. I hope I didn't upset you, that wasn't my intention. I know you were venting and it is better to vent here than to your FSIL. Often I read posts about how mother-in-law's are so horrible, not just here, but other places too. As a mother of only boys there are a lot of things we miss out on, a lot of firsts as well. I am thrilled that my son is getting married to our FDIL and am very happy that she has included me in things. It is nice to be included. You are so right - we just want to make them happy! No - you didn't upset me gloryjoy. Thanks
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Post by bethany102399 on Oct 14, 2014 15:26:17 GMT
Love this, and wholeheartedly agree. My MIL and I get along very well, and I would be upset if she had the opinion that I always win. It's certainly far from the truth. of course I have the advantage of my MIL living out of state. OP, all you can do is hang in there. I'm glad for your DD, that when FSIL asked for your permission (which I had to tell my DH to do too, it's not everyone's tradition.) he took your words to heart, and has begun to do what he needs to do to care for your daughter. My parents disliked my DH intensely, for many of the same reasons. In fact, he never did ask my dad's permission to marry me, knowing it was a tradition he was expected to follow. This of course, caused all kinds of issues. We struggled financially those early years, for reasons my parents didn't want to hear. To this day, my mom dislikes him, and feels I could have done better. It took my dad telling my DH, while literally on his deathbed, that he was going to take some of the life insurance money and go back to school in order to better take care of me and our DD. Which we did, over my mom's strenuous objections. i All this to say, please, please, please, if you have concerns about your FSIL tread lightly should you choose to discuss them with your DD.
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 14, 2014 16:12:20 GMT
I'm with whoever said that it was very nice of you to make the gesture and invite her along. Now you know what she's like, and you can keep your distance. I'd venture to suggest that she can offer an opinion if she is contributing to the cost of the occasion. Not otherwise. So that goes for the bridesmaids and others invited along as well I assume. Let them know upfront that if they're not paying they don't get an opinion. I think many will forgo the opportunity to sit there with smiles and no opinions.
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Post by ladytrisha on Oct 14, 2014 16:12:50 GMT
Yup - one thing I've gotten VERY good at is asking the server for separate checks as soon as they arrive to take an order. I got tired of being the one stuck with the loose ends and being shortchanged.
Good luck on the wedding shopping. My Mom went thru hell with my middle sister and her FMIL.
My MIL told our family they didn't support our wedding and boycotted everything - no $$ nothing. The only reason she bought a dress was because she found out her ex-husband was coming in from Hawaii - suddenly she HAD to have a dress. She told family members to refuse the invite and not bother attending. My husband's brother refused to be a groomsman. His daughter saw our wedding photos the other day (FB and it was our 34th anniversary). She asked her Mom (who happened to be my friend and MOH) where Dad was. She said "your Dad and Grandmother said it wouldn't last so they didn't participate" ... she said her daughter said "well, now look who looks like idiots"! (BIL has been married 2x so far!). Love to say she got over her hostility, but a few years ago she made a remark that "my mom made her son marry me" ... my husband got in her face and said ENOUGH. Now she has Alzheimers and tells everyone we're the happiest married people EVER. gag.
Just try and go with the flow and don't get bent on little comments. I'm sure FMIL was nervous and I've been known to toss out some sarcastic remark. It's FAR FAR easier to try and get along than be divided.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 14, 2014 16:37:39 GMT
Are people really suggesting that the mother of the bride who has invited 5 additional people to accompany her and her daughter for shopping and lunch should really pick up the tab for 6 people and ask for the server to bring a separate check to the future MIL? Really? The OP is going to pay for herself, the bride, the bride's sister, the bride's friend, the bride's grandmother - but hey bring that old bat there her own check.
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Post by mommaho on Oct 14, 2014 16:47:57 GMT
Are people really suggesting that the mother of the bride who has invited 5 additional people to accompany her and her daughter for shopping and lunch should really pick up the tab for 6 people and ask for the server to bring a separate check to the future MIL? Really? The OP is going to pay for herself, the bride, the bride's sister, the bride's friend, the bride's grandmother - but hey bring that old bat there her own check. Darcy - I didn't suggest that. I said if the shoe was on the other foot I would have offered to pay for my meal. She didn't, I vented. Customs are different everywhere and this is one I'll not make a mistake on in the future!
It's great that we all have the opportunity to agree to disagree on so many subjects here.
And with this post it made me a Mushy Pea - how appropriate!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 14, 2014 16:50:34 GMT
I'm with whoever said that it was very nice of you to make the gesture and invite her along. Now you know what she's like, and you can keep your distance. I'd venture to suggest that she can offer an opinion if she is contributing to the cost of the occasion. Not otherwise. But she is contributing to the cost of the occasion. Maybe even more than the bride is and I would hazard to say that she gets an opinion.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 14, 2014 17:04:50 GMT
Are people really suggesting that the mother of the bride who has invited 5 additional people to accompany her and her daughter for shopping and lunch should really pick up the tab for 6 people and ask for the server to bring a separate check to the future MIL? Really? The OP is going to pay for herself, the bride, the bride's sister, the bride's friend, the bride's grandmother - but hey bring that old bat there her own check. Darcy - I didn't suggest that. I said if the shoe was on the other foot I would have offered to pay for my meal. She didn't, I vented. Customs are different everywhere and this is one I'll not make a mistake on in the future!
It's great that we all have the opportunity to agree to disagree on so many subjects here.
And with this post it made me a Mushy Pea - how appropriate!
I wasn't necessarily directing my post at you - several poster said you should have asked for separate checks. I really think that would have been awkward at best. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would have offered to pay the entire tab as a gesture of goodwill to the bride and her mother for graciously inviting me.
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Post by mommaho on Oct 14, 2014 17:10:41 GMT
Sorry I misunderstood - thanks for explaining.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 17:16:47 GMT
I see both sides of the lunch issue. I think you needed to pay for the group as it was your day. And I know you didn't expect her to get her own check. But I know what you are saying in that it was presumptuous of her to not at least OFFER to kick in her part of the meal. None of us likes people who just assume and take for granted that their meal is being paid. She should have offered, you would have declined, all good, right? That's how I see it.
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Post by hennybutton on Oct 14, 2014 17:27:01 GMT
I see both sides of the lunch issue. I think you needed to pay for the group as it was your day. And I know you didn't expect her to get her own check. But I know what you are saying in that it was presumptuous of her to not at least OFFER to kick in her part of the meal. None of us likes people who just assume and take for granted that their meal is being paid. She should have offered, you would have declined, all good, right? That's how I see it. But, OP wouldn't have declined if FMIL had offered. Her own mother, the bride's grandma, gave her money for her meal and OP took it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 17:34:43 GMT
Are people really suggesting that the mother of the bride who has invited 5 additional people to accompany her and her daughter for shopping and lunch should really pick up the tab for 6 people and ask for the server to bring a separate check to the future MIL? Really? The OP is going to pay for herself, the bride, the bride's sister, the bride's friend, the bride's grandmother - but hey bring that old bat there her own check. When I posted about asking for two cheques, I was under the impression that it was just mother, daughter, sister, and MIL-to-be at lunch. I thought they met up with the other party after lunch for bride's maids dress shopping. So, I should go back and change my post.. because I think singling out and expecting one person in a large party to pay for their lunch is rude.
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Post by traceys on Oct 14, 2014 17:40:45 GMT
Are people really suggesting that the mother of the bride who has invited 5 additional people to accompany her and her daughter for shopping and lunch should really pick up the tab for 6 people and ask for the server to bring a separate check to the future MIL? Really? The OP is going to pay for herself, the bride, the bride's sister, the bride's friend, the bride's grandmother - but hey bring that old bat there her own check. When I posted about asking for two cheques, I was under the impression that it was just mother, daughter, sister, and MIL-to-be at lunch. I thought they met up with the other party after lunch for bride's maids dress shopping. So, I should go back and change my post.. because I think singling out and expecting one person in a large party to pay for their lunch is rude. That's what I thought too...I missed how big the group was.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 14, 2014 17:52:32 GMT
OP sounds about as insufferable as she is making her future in law out to be.
You were willing to pay for everyone except her at lunch? That is really uncomfortable. And you're going to bitch about her paying for engagement pics? Why don't you pay for them your self if you want something specific? And btw, these are your DAUGHTERS pictures, if anyone should get the CD, it's her, not you.
And I agree with the person who emphasized the 'we' in your first post. You sound controlling and you should pick up quickly on the fact that this wedding is about your daughter and her fiance, or her fmil will be out posting on her own message board about the crazy lady that is about to be her son's mil.
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Post by mallie on Oct 14, 2014 19:10:57 GMT
I'd venture to suggest that she can offer an opinion if she is contributing to the cost of the occasion. Not otherwise. So that goes for the bridesmaids and others invited along as well I assume. Let them know upfront that if they're not paying they don't get an opinion. I think many will forgo the opportunity to sit there with smiles and no opinions. You do realize there are opinions and then there are OPINIONS, right?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 14, 2014 19:33:03 GMT
So that goes for the bridesmaids and others invited along as well I assume. Let them know upfront that if they're not paying they don't get an opinion. I think many will forgo the opportunity to sit there with smiles and no opinions. You do realize there are opinions and then there are OPINIONS, right? Is "That's not you" an opinion or an OPINION?
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Post by mommaho on Oct 14, 2014 20:33:05 GMT
I'm not sure how the heck this came back around to me being cheap and insufferable? We have a budget for the wedding - funds are not unlimited. $300 over the budget for the dress is a big thing, but we did it because it is the dress she wanted. FMIL had no business to say Oh that's not Bad - it wasn't her money!
Don't think I didn't fret over how I was going to make it all work before I signed the sales agreement. What I wasn't going to do was say No to the dress that made her cry when she walked out the dressing room door, along with the rest of us knowing that this was special and the one for her.
I didn't invite everyone to lunch - we finished at 11:00 and everyone was hungry. There was a pub a few blocks down so we decided to go eat before we went on to David's Bridal, about a 30 minute drive away. I planned on paying for myself and two daughters, my Mom had already offered to help pay for lunch when we walked into the pub because she knew I was a little stressed about paying the extra for the dress.
Everyone heard the waitress ask how many checks and there was silence so I said one figuring that we would settle it at the end of the meal. The other bridesmaid could have paid but didn't offer. She is also the mother of the Flower Girl and asked my DD if I was going to pay for her daughter's dress. My mom handed me money to help and FMIL offered $5 tip - the bill was $83 and so I told her No thanks, I had already added it to the check. Yes - it ticked me off - but I know my response didn't sound that way.
Please read everything I've posted before you judge me, or just call me what you want if it makes you feel better about how you would handle the situation.
Thanks to those of you who posted positive comments, you gave me a lot to think about.
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Post by quiltz on Oct 14, 2014 20:51:27 GMT
There are pros and cons to a message board, especially when the talk turns to weddings.
Emotions or tone of voice isn't heard, as it would be when a person is talking.
There are many different backgrounds of people and of course, everyone has their own personal opinion.
Personally, I think that it would be great if all three couples - you & your husband, DD&FSIL and FMIL &FFIL would get together and talk about the wedding. Everything should be put down on paper and everyone should have a copy.
Even if the couple to be married isn't contributing to the wedding financially, they still have responsibilities such as ordering the tuxes, returning the tuxes (this can be a BIG one), and so on.
Go to TheKnot and print out whatever it is that there is on who should pay what and then set the budget.
Have your DD tell the flowergirl's mom that you will not be paying for the flowergirl's dress. What about the FG's hair on the wedding day?
What about the hair & makeup & mani/Pedi's for the wedding? Each pays their own way?
Give everyone a chance prior to the meeting to look at the list so that they can discuss things amongst themselves as couples.
Then you can explain that the additional $300.00 for the dress means that somehow/somewhere money has to be taken from one area to fund this extra for the dress.
Communication is the key factor to have a wonderful wedding day. It is the tiny hurt feelings that can build resentment where there possibly shouldn't be any resentment.
With everyone on the same page, it does make life easier.
Money is an emotional item and so are weddings. Minimize the stress by keeping things calm and then there won't be drama or hurt feelings.
Have fun!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 14, 2014 21:08:49 GMT
Good grief. OP, you're being an admirably good sport in your responses. I'm astonished how personally some mothers-of-sons are taking your story. If I get invited on my son bride's shopping trip, I hope I offer opinions about what I like, and keep mum about what I don't like, unless pressed. I dearly hope I would never encourage going over-budget. Acting gracious and easygoing isn't tantamount to a gag order. Also, I've never assumed one restaurant check meant I was being treated. When unsure, doesn't everybody do the obligatory wallet fumble? If nobody stops me, I pay for myself. Isn't that tried-and-true "restaurant theatre?" If not, I've been acting in the wrong play for a looong time.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 14, 2014 21:21:15 GMT
Glad lostinspace chimed in about the different backgrounds and opinions of everyone. We've all had different experiences so some will agree, some will not.
I can totally see your point, wedding are a huge undertaken and a huge expense. $300 over budge for the dress is a big deal imo.
I'd chalk the experience up to a lesson learned and make sure you are clear on your expectations if you invite them out in the future since you've had a preview of how things may go.
I've been married 25 years and I still remember some of the drama with my in-laws during the wedding planning/preparations. My parents were saints and were very gracious (way more than I would have been.) My in-laws unfortunately were just displaying their normal behavior I would come to find out. But boy am I grateful at the class my parents showed during that time. I'm sure my mother threatened my father to keep him quiet and my mother likely vented to her friends. Feel free to vent, we all need to from time to time.
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Post by ceepea on Oct 14, 2014 22:01:42 GMT
I was thinking about this thing with the $300.00. Could it be that FMIL saw how much the dress meant to your daughter and said 300.00 is not that bad to make her feel better about falling in love with a dress over your budget?
The lunch thing, could it be that maybe FMIL did not plan on eating out and didn't bring any extra money with her? She might not have felt comfortable saying no to the lunch outing since she probably wanted to go to David's with you guys too. Maybe the $5 was all she had with her??
Its hard to say and I know this is just your vent and that is fine. It just comes down to every person being different and in different circumstances. Right now in my life, 300.00 would not be a big deal, luckily. I also would not have thought twice about paying for her. I understand your circumstance is different right now.
Tension and nerves will be running high on both sides for a while. Just try to enjoy this time with your daughter! I hope next year when this is all over you will share some pictures with us.
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 14, 2014 22:44:40 GMT
It could have gone like this: "Daughter, do not try on any dress that is over budget. I am not going to get it for you, even if you cry tears of joy." "Sister, do not bring her a dress that is over budget. I'm serious. If you do, you will pay the difference." Or this: FMIL: "$300 isn't that much over budget for a dress she loves." You: "Yes it is. My budget is firm. Unless someone else chips in on it I'm afraid I have to stick to under $amount." Or this: FMIL: $300 is not much over budget." You: Maybe for some people but for me it is very much over budget. Daughter, put it back."
Lunch - (since grandma paid for herself anyway) "Us three are one check" (point to yourself and your 2 daughters).
In other words, speak up. Your daughters apparently had the same opinion of being $300 over budget as FMIL as one pulled the dress for her sister and bride to be tried it on.
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