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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 10, 2019 20:41:55 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Sept 10, 2019 20:54:34 GMT
Without seeing how the suit fit the body of the girl in question, I have no opinion.
However, if the school issued the suit---then it should be approved. As the coach pointed out, the mfg of swimsuits have created suits that expose more and more of the buttocks each year.
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2019 21:11:27 GMT
Good lord. Boys wear banana hammocks for swimming that leave zero to the imagination, and no one objects, but this girl’s school-issued swimsuit is not appropriate?
STOP POLICING WOMEN’S BODIES!
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Post by buggirl47 on Sept 10, 2019 21:18:38 GMT
agreed about the boys swimsuits. girls swimsuits are getting skimpier and skimpier though but why punish her and not address the issue of swimsuit for school team competition instead. so all schools should address it not just the one. also girls bodies are different. she might be longer torso and the outfit then will ride up higher on the cheeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 21:24:34 GMT
Other news outlets are saying the girl who was disqualified is curvier and more full-figured, and has been targeted by other parents. From the original blog post on Medium that broke the story (registration required): This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parent’s photography project last season in which they took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit without her knowledge or consent and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor and that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography. Her younger sister, one of the fastest athletes in the history of Alaska swimming, has told her family and friends she feels as though she’s being told by the community that her specific body is not appropriate for competitive swimming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 21:27:54 GMT
Seems rather strange that they only disqualified her and yet the rest of the team were all wearing the same swimsuit. Makes one wonder what the true reason was to disqualify her.
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Post by mustlovecats on Sept 10, 2019 21:28:51 GMT
Good lord. Boys wear banana hammocks for swimming that leave zero to the imagination, and no one objects, but this girl’s school-issued swimsuit is not appropriate? STOP POLICING WOMEN’S BODIES! Not only does no one object but I recall during the Olympics, a great deal of enjoyment of the sight and a bit of wishing that the aforementioned wisp of fabric might slip a bit such that one might obtain an eyeful. Hypocrisy afoot.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 10, 2019 21:46:10 GMT
I am one that thinks the amount of skin that the shorts that many young girls have been wearing ridiculous (I don't need to see anyone's butt cheeks in public unless it is a swim suit). But this is horrible. If the school/league is worried about this, maybe they should find swimsuits that have more coverage--for everyone. It would be really hard to find a suit that covered all bodies the same way. These girls should not be singled out. And the parent who was taking pics of their backside should definitely be banned from all competitions, at the least.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 10, 2019 22:00:59 GMT
As the parent of a dd with a very developed body and long legs at a young age (14) this makes me furious. She covers her self up in hoodies and sweatshirts now in the 100 degree plus humid southern US heat because no matter what else she wears she gets harassed and dress coded. Her XC school issued running shorts weren’t allowed in gym class but the cheerleaders are allowed to wear their crop tops and mini mini skirts to class on game days. Don’t even get me started on the policing of girl’s bodies.
I feel for the swimmer. Wish the judges were watching the lanes and blocks not girls’ bottoms!
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2019 22:09:03 GMT
Other news outlets are saying the girl who was disqualified is curvier and more full-figured, and has been targeted by other parents. From the original blog post on Medium that broke the story (registration required): This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parent’s photography project last season in which they took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit without her knowledge or consent and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor and that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography. Her younger sister, one of the fastest athletes in the history of Alaska swimming, has told her family and friends she feels as though she’s being told by the community that her specific body is not appropriate for competitive swimming. Oh, I see. So it’s not just body policing but “fat” shaming. Fuck that noise.
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2019 22:13:30 GMT
As the parent of a dd with a very developed body and long legs at a young age (14) this makes me furious. She covers her self up in hoodies and sweatshirts now in the 100 degree plus humid southern US heat because no matter what else she wears she gets harassed and dress coded. Her XC school issued running shorts weren’t allowed in gym class but the cheerleaders are allowed to wear their crop tops and mini mini skirts to class on game days. Don’t even get me started on the policing of girl’s bodies. I feel for the swimmer. Wish the judges were watching the lanes and blocks not girls’ bottoms! I had to try to find a dress code appropriate dance dress for my six-foot-tall 13 year old daughter. That had no spaghetti straps and no cutouts in addition to being long “enough” to suit the female body police at her middle school. That somehow also didn’t look like a frumpy mom dress. I am so glad my girls’ high school has no real dress code. Everyone wears what they are comfortable in because THAT makes for the best learning environment.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 10, 2019 22:30:21 GMT
Seems rather strange that they only disqualified her and yet the rest of the team were all wearing the same swimsuit. Makes one wonder what the true reason was to disqualify her. I agree - it was school issued and it wasn't like she modified the suit - perhaps her bottom is wider than some other girls - who knows - but if the suit was issued by the school and none of her team mates were disqualified, she shouldn't have been either.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 10, 2019 22:38:52 GMT
There are photos of the girl in the linked video on CNN. She's not fat, she's not thin, she's not overly developed IMHO, and even if she was any of those things, stop just STOP. Gawd this stuff ticks me off to the Nth degree.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 10, 2019 22:40:23 GMT
Good lord. Boys wear banana hammocks for swimming that leave zero to the imagination, and no one objects, but this girl’s school-issued swimsuit is not appropriate? STOP POLICING WOMEN’S BODIES! X
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 10, 2019 23:30:20 GMT
Good lord -- how ridiculous. That suit is her uniform, provided by the team. If she's wearing the team uniform, then that ref should take his eyes off her ass and do his job.
And the parent who was taking pictures of minor girls' bodies to post online should be arrested and added to the sexual offender list.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 10, 2019 23:49:16 GMT
It's buttocks. Come on. We all have one. I do not care even less than at all if a swim suit rides up. I'm not looking or interested. This is ridiculous and stupid and makes me want to walk around with my saggy 62 year old ass hanging out just because.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 11, 2019 0:23:16 GMT
Good lord -- how ridiculous. That suit is her uniform, provided by the team. If she's wearing the team uniform, then that ref should take his eyes off her ass and do his job. And the parent who was taking pictures of minor girls' bodies to post online should be arrested and added to the sexual offender list. 100% Maryannscraps said it so much better than I ever could.
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Post by kelbel827 on Sept 11, 2019 0:38:15 GMT
Complete BS. Also what Maryannscraps said. Swimming is about speed. Drag is discouraged. The best way to avoid drag is have minimal suits. The refs need to get over themselves and stop being perverts.
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Post by freebird on Sept 11, 2019 0:45:16 GMT
Why do they ALWAYS bag on girls about clothes. She's probably thicker (big powerful legs/butt) and so it doesn't fit her as well.
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Post by nlwilkins on Sept 11, 2019 1:11:29 GMT
I find it strange that she was only disqualified AFTER she won a race.
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Post by psiluvu on Sept 11, 2019 1:21:40 GMT
Seems to me like someone is jealous of her athletic prowess and apparent kick ass ability and are doing whatever they can to make sure she doesn't win. I can't believe an adult was photographing her butt with no consequences.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 11, 2019 1:47:26 GMT
I posted the video. Didn't remember anything out of line. Just went back and looked again and still see nothing out of line... Shame on that judge!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 11, 2019 2:19:48 GMT
Here’s what another coach posted on Megium-
Alaska’s Swimsuit Scandal Unfairly Polices Young Girls’ Bodies A high school swimmer was disqualified because officials were offended by how her swimming suit fit her fuller-figured body Lauren Langford Lauren Langford Sep 7 · 6 min read Photo of teenage schoolchildren using indoor swimming pool Photo: David Oliver/Getty Images LLocal uproar seeking to punish young female athletes — just for the way they look — is tearing my tight-knit swimming community apart. A 17-year-old swimmer from Anchorage, Alaska, was disqualified from a race that she won on Friday, because of what officials called a “uniform violation.” Though the teen wore a suit issued by her team at Dimond High School, in accordance with uniform regulations, and it matched the styles worn by her competitors, she was the only athlete who was disqualified. Why, you may ask? Because she was targeted for the way the suit fit her curvier, fuller-figured body. The incident, which is currently under investigation, comes after more than a year of tensions over the fit of suits worn by athletes at youth swim meets in the state of Alaska. As a swim coach at another school within the district that regularly competes with Dimond High, I’ve watched this scandal divide my swimming community. It has caused my own athletes to be needlessly self-conscious about the appearance of their bodies, which preoccupies them just as much, if not more, than the quality of their performances. What’s clear is that these girls’ bodies are being policed — not their uniforms.
Photo courtesy of the author Just look at the modesty standards that guided the referee’s decision on Friday night and compare them to popular brand-name suits worn by other girls throughout the state. Notice the high-cut backs to these suits — they’re not technically in compliance even before they get on the body of a swimmer, yet many high schools use these brands as their team suits. And though the styles are cut in a way that is considered “immodest,” why has only one swimmer been disqualified? These young swimmers aren’t being punished for wearing their suits in scandalous or provocative ways, but rather, because their ample hips, full chests, and dark complexions look different than their willowy, thin, and mostly pallid teammates. Some will argue this scandal has nothing to do with race. But the issue becomes glaring when officials are overheard acknowledging that white athletes are baring too much skin as well, yet they’ve never been disqualified for a similar violation. It gets much worse for the young high school senior whose victory was stolen from her last week. This same girl was the subject of one rogue team parent’s photography project last season, in which they took graphic photos of her backside in her swimsuit — without her knowledge or consent — and circulated the images via email as evidence that her attire is immoral. She is a minor — that parent should be arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography. And she’s not alone — the young swimmer’s sisters are being harassed for how the swimsuits fit their bodies, too. The issue has unraveled so much that parents have been overheard saying that for the sake of their sons, the mother of these young ladies should cover up her daughters. The obstacles these young teens face has created a culture of tension and fear on pool decks all over the state. The girl’s younger sister, one of the fastest athletes in the history of Alaska swimming, has told her family and friends she feels as though the community is telling her that her specific body is not appropriate for competitive swimming. It is the most heartbreaking thing to hear from a young person who is fit, healthy, and just trying to ensure a brighter future for herself through this sport. We need to let these girls know that no one can pass judgment on their bodies for any reason. Every organization associated with competitive youth swimming in the state of Alaska and the whole of the United States needs to protect them so they can get their focus back on swimming, which is all they’ve ever wanted to do. The obstacles these teens face has created a culture of tension and fear on pool decks all over the state. Girls of all shapes, sizes, and races are worrying about their suits like never before. How is anyone supposed to focus on swimming fast when they are confronted with the reality that a subjective rule may result in disqualification? And in a world where young girls are told at every turn that the skin they’re in is not good enough for a thousand reasons, the last thing we need to do in youth athletics is to add to that unhealthy dialogue around body image. One young lady expressed at a meet last season that she felt she needed to go on a restrictive diet and put in more time at the gym so her backside would be smaller and therefore more appropriate by the standards of what is being called “the modesty rule,” as defined by this small but vocal group of people. If she starves herself, she cannot compete at her highest level; if she does succeed, it’s almost certain that some of her teammates will try to do the same. If this becomes the norm, girls swimming in Alaska will suffer. We cannot allow our organization to become one that engages in body-shaming — it should promote a healthy body image for all athletes. Another young athlete who was reprimanded for how her swimming suit fit her body has a long reputation winning races across the in this state. She holds every record on her local team for girls aged eight and under. Her records represent not only the fastest swimming in that program, but also in the state and country in that age group. My own young daughter looks up to her so much that this girl may as well be a god. Still, she has no idea this young swimmer is at risk of being remembered only as the fast girl who was targeted for her body. I hope this disappears before she is old enough to understand. We need to make a stand so that these girls and others like them may continue to inspire the next generation of female swimmers. What has been carried out on pool decks in Alaska over the last year is nothing short of racism, sexism, body-shaming, and child abuse. The swimming suits at the heart of the scandal satisfy the requirements as put forth by the National Federation of High School Sports — the only reason this ever became an issue is because certain people cannot keep their ultra-conservative beliefs to themselves. It is only these girls with their darker skin and unique bodies who have been singled out. The amount of mental and emotional trauma these girls have suffered is inexcusable. If you do not like the way that swimsuits fit on these girls’ bodies then don’t look; they are minors, children, and no one should be looking at them anyway. We cannot take back what has already unfolded but we can make sure it does not happen going forward. Competitive swimming is about building strong character, valuable life skills, bright futures, and lifelong friendships. Let us silence the voices who are taking away from that experience by targeting and abusing children and instead get back to instilling confidence in young people one splash at a time.
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Post by MerryMom on Sept 11, 2019 3:17:09 GMT
Without seeing how the suit fit the body of the girl in question, I have no opinion. However, if the school issued the suit---then it should be approved. As the coach pointed out, the mfg of swimsuits have created suits that expose more and more of the buttocks each year. Not necessarily, and I am a high school official for XC, swimming, and track & field. It doesn’t matter if the uniform was school issued or school approved. If the school issued or approved uniform is not compliant with the state high school uniform rules, then it isn’t compliant. I agree if the suit is not compliant, then it is not compliant for the entire team and not just one athlete. I was a swimmer for 12 years and I have a booty. I well know the hazards of my butt in a Speedo. Bigger female swimmers butts would be covered adequately and my butt was hanging out. You can size up only so much in a competition swimsuit. ETA: the swim suit issue has been addressed numerous times in the past 3 years in Alaska. I went straight to the source, the Alaska High School Athletic Association asaa.org/?s=Uniform+ I have a feeling the coach or athlete was told during check in, that her uniform was not compliant, that was a warning. She could get her uniform compliant by race time in whatever way she could. If her uniform wasn’t compliant and she raced, then she is DQ’ed. To have a wedgie so bad that her 2 butt cheeks were touching means her suit is too small. And I am speaking as a former competitive swimmer with a big booty. The school AD and coach failed this swimmer, not the official. NFHS Executive Directors Karissa Niehoff NFHS Swimming and Diving Suit Coverage August 7, 2019 There is a growing trend in high school swimming and diving of athletes wearing training and competitive suits in a manner that contradicts with the intention of their original design and manufacture. Specifically, suits are being worn in such a way as to expose the athlete’s buttocks. This issue is not gender specific and is occurring in various states across the country. The NFHS Swimming and Diving Committee has addressed this concern in the previous two years by including commentary in the 2017-18, 2018-19 and 2019-20 Points of Emphasis of the Swimming and Diving Rules Book. In 2018, the committee mandated pre-meet coaches and athlete meetings. These are excellent opportunities to address legal attire and for the coach to verify that his/her swimmers are legally equipped. In addition, the penalty protocol for suit coverage infractions was reorganized in the 2019-20 Swimming and Diving Rules Book to emphasize that officials should notify the competitor’s coach, not the competitor, in reference to suit coverage violations. The Swimming and Diving Rules Committee offers the attached resources to help educate administrators, coaches, officials, parents, and athletes. Realizing that this is not an issue in all states, we are providing this material to Executive Directors only, so that you may determine whether its dissemination is appropriate for your state association. NFHS Swimming and Diving Suit Coverage Resources Pre-Season Meetings • Coaches and school administrators should take a proactive role and address suit coverage with parents and athletes during their pre-season meetings to specify that suitsshouldbewornasthemanufacturerintended. Athletespurchasingpersonal suits for competition should consider suits that comply with NFHS rules regarding appropriate coverage as well as design and decoration. • Established school dress codes can also be referenced in this context, as existing standards for student attire that may deal with a variety of issues and suit coverage can be included therein. • Coaches should select team suits that provide appropriate coverage as it pertains to NFHS rules. Permit different styles to be worn that will appropriately fit the various body sizes. • Outline reasonable guidelines that can be implemented by coaches and officials of appropriate suit fit. Consider competitive scenarios, but also strategies implementable by NFHS coaches regarding this issue in daily practices and meets. • Coaches or administrators can utilize a standard script during pre-season meetings. Coaches are placed in the difficult, and admittedly, uncomfortable position of speaking with athletes about covering up appropriately. The script will assist in starting the conversation and establishing expectations. • Provide illustrations of an appropriate and inappropriate fitted suits for males and females. • Coaches should be aware, and should articulate to athletes and parents, the reality that there are suits available on-line that are NOT legal for high school competition; many of those come with the FINA approval tag, but still are in violation of NFHS rules as to (a) size and number of manufacturer’s logo and (b) body coverage. Pre-Meet Coach and Athlete Meetings • Pre-meet coach and athlete meetings have been mandated, which is an opportunity for the coach to verify that his/her athletes are properly and legally equipped AND an opportunity for captains/peers to consult with their teammates to ensure suits and caps meet rule guidelines. • Emphasize the role of the captains regarding these meetings. They are more in touch with what teammates are wearing and how they’re wearing it AND it prompts questions before the fact about legality. Talking Points • The NFHS is dedicated to providing a safe environment for its members and the swimming and diving community. • Education-based activities is a great platform that provides an opportunity to discuss appropriate behavior and attire. o Athletes serve as role models and representatives of their sport, school, and state association. o Shows support and pride for team and teammates. o Reflects positively on coaches and teammates. o Shows respect for yourself, and desire to present yourself in the best possible light. o Teaches young athletes the importance of presenting themselves in publicly appropriate attire. • During practice and competition suits shall be worn in the appropriate size as dictated by that manufacturer’s specifications for the athlete’s body type and shall remain unaltered. • Boys shall wear suits which cover the buttocks, and girls shall wear suits which cover the buttocks and breasts. • Athletes should be instructed to adjust their suit before exiting the pool. A common, objective phrase that has been recommended is “fix your suit”.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 11, 2019 3:31:48 GMT
I'm a well endowed chica. I was a high school JV swimmer. Backstroke was my event. Well, I did a back dive and the 2 sides of my suit decided to meet in the middle of my chest. Yep, flashed EVERYONE. I didn't get disqualified. LOL. No one let me live it down either!
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Post by FrozenPea on Sept 11, 2019 5:38:02 GMT
Living here and knowing Anchorage, I believe that it is partly racially motivated.
I really hope it gets overturned.
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Post by FrozenPea on Sept 11, 2019 5:49:29 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Sept 11, 2019 5:51:07 GMT
Wow, thanks for the quick heads up.
And right or wrong (although it sure looks wrong) ... that decision was garnering them LOTS of really crappy publicity. Better to cut their losses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 5:52:20 GMT
WaPo picked it up: "The referee’s call, which is now under investigation, has generated intense debate among Alaska’s close-knit swim and dive community, and prompted a larger discussion about how female athletes’ bodies are policed and scrutinized. Lauren Langford, who coaches swimming at another high school in the area, told The Washington Post that she believes racism, in addition to sexism, may have been a factor, given that the teen is among the few nonwhite athletes in a predominantly white sport. “All of these girls are all wearing suits that are cut the same way,” Langford said. “And the only girl who gets disqualified is a mixed-race girl with rounder, curvier features.” The teenager didn’t pick out the swimsuit — her school chose it and issued it to her. But even though all the girls on her team were dressed identically, she was the only one cited for a uniform violation. Annette Rohde, who was working as an official during the meet, told the Anchorage Daily News that another female ref explained that the bottom of the girl’s suit “was so far up I could see butt cheek touching butt cheek.’’" www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/09/10/anchorage-swimmer-disqualified-wedgie/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 5:57:42 GMT
Calling out this age-old inspecting and policing of women's bodies and particularly WOC bodies makes a difference.
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