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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 2:28:47 GMT
a mandatory buy back program for those weapons?
I was told on another thread the majority of the country would not support a mandatory buy back program.
I think she is wrong because the alternative is the Sandy Hook ad because a reality for our kids.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 19, 2019 2:35:46 GMT
I do and we have one in the family.
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Post by nlwilkins on Sept 19, 2019 2:38:56 GMT
Its the buy back part I am cannot get past. I support not selling these anymore or ammo for them. But not a buy back program. That would be too extreme.
Besides, just how does any one know who all has these kind of weapons? We would be better off with laws of accountability. If your weapon was used in a shooting you should be just as accountable as the shooter. If you sold the weapon used in a shooting, you should bear some of the burden of guilt. Perhaps that would make sellers and owners a bit more responsible in who they sell to and who they allow access to their weapons.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 19, 2019 2:42:44 GMT
Its the buy back part I am cannot get past. I support not selling these anymore or ammo for them. But not a buy back program. That would be too extreme. Besides, just how does any one know who all has these kind of weapons? We would be better off with laws of accountability. If your weapon was used in a shooting you should be just as accountable as the shooter. If you sold the weapon used in a shooting, you should bear some of the burden of guilt. Perhaps that would make sellers and owners a bit more responsible in who they sell to and who they allow access to their weapons. We'll never get all of them off the streets. That is for sure. But I'd like to think that getting rid of as many as possible will help save lives.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 19, 2019 3:02:23 GMT
What the hell! Of course military style weapons should be band. Then a mandatory buyback program. Then if your caught with one you face a fine or jail time. This is the only thing that makes sense. We have to stop this madness. Just because we won't get all of them doesn't mean we don't make laws to get most of them. Who in their right mind thinks a civilian should have a military style weapon.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 19, 2019 3:14:01 GMT
What are you classifying as a military-style weapon? Where does the money for the buyback come from? How would you enforce "mandatory?"
I think the poll here will be skewed as it is very much a left-leaning board.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 19, 2019 3:17:26 GMT
I also think that we need to have a national registry, universal background checks and more consistent laws across states.
I’m not sure why people don’t understand that banning assault/military style weapons doesn’t mean that all guns are going to be banned.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 19, 2019 3:38:03 GMT
I’m not sure why people don’t understand that banning assault/military style weapons doesn’t mean that all guns are going to be banned. I'd say because there are plenty of people who want to ban all guns from citizens. Those people are vocal as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 3:52:21 GMT
What are you classifying as a military-style weapon? Where does the money for the buyback come from? How would you enforce "mandatory?" I think the poll here will be skewed as it is very much a left-leaning board. 1. One of the other mistakes of the 1994 assault rifle ban is they were not crystal clear what rifle/gun were to be banned. Too many loopholes This time around the description must leave no doubt what type of weapon is to be banned. And that I will leave to the experts to decide the types. 2. The money comes from the Federal Government and then distributed to the states. 3. The guns banned will be illegal. It’s time for the gun owners who claim they are law abiding to prove it by turning in the guns if they own any of the banned guns. If they don’t and found to have any of these guns then they get to cool their heels in jail for a year. 4. I don’t believe this is a left or right issue, but as a human being and citizen of this country do you want that Sandy Hook ad to be the new norm? And if not, what are you willing to do about it? This isn’t about politics but about the type of country we want to live in and raise our children in.
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Post by birdgate on Sept 19, 2019 4:27:36 GMT
They'll only have another 1000 plus legal guns to choose from. When they were illegal shootings were down and went back up 200% when the ban expired. It won't happen overnight but in the meantime register and insure the ones you do have and pass common sense laws FFS.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 19, 2019 4:32:29 GMT
I think they should be banned, but I have seen several people that will automatically vote for Trump based on this issue alone. So I'm not sure that should be a main democratic platform right now, a higher priority for me is getting Trump out of the White House.
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Post by paget on Sept 19, 2019 4:55:39 GMT
I support a ban for sure. Not sure how I feel about a buy back program. I haven’t really thought much about that before. FWIW, I’m conservative/independent.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 19, 2019 8:49:52 GMT
Yes, I absolutely support a ban and buyback program.
There is zero reason for a civilian to own such weaponry.
And I would be for mandatory jail time for anyone in possession of said firearm after the buyback period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 9:46:38 GMT
I think the poll here will be skewed as it is very much a left-leaning board. I didn't vote in the poll obviously but why would you think that gun controls are purely a political left wing agenda. Surely this shouldn't be a right, centre, independent or left leaning topic it's about a basic human right which is the right to life which applies to everyone whichever side of the fence you're on, politically. Contrary to what anyone reads in the media or otherwise, countries like Australia, New Zealand and the UK haven't banned the ownership of guns. What they do have is stringent gun control and to own guns in these countries you have to have a very valid reason for doing so. As a suburban housewife living in an ordinary house that works in an office and has crafts as a hobby and buys her meat from the butchers store, I have no valid reason to own a gun so I wouldn't pass the criteria to be able to buy one.
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Post by littlemama on Sept 19, 2019 10:27:21 GMT
Yes, of course.
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Post by lindas on Sept 19, 2019 10:38:25 GMT
By putting ban and mandatory buy back in the same question you poll is skewed to favor your position.
While I might favor a ban I don't support a mandatory back. I stand by what I said on the other thread, you can't force someone to give up something they were legally entitled to own. If you try to add on forced jail time you're going to have a revolt.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2019 10:41:51 GMT
By putting ban and mandatory buy back in the same question you poll is skewed to favor your position. While I might favor a ban I don't support a mandatory back. I stand by what I said on the other thread, you can't force someone to give up something they were legally entitled to own. If you try to add on forced jail time you're going to have a revolt. A revolt? Of law-abiding, responsible gun owners? Those things don’t go together, so one of them must be false. Yes, I support an assault weapons ban and mandatory buyback. Let’s let all those law-abiding gun owners prove it.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 19, 2019 12:58:23 GMT
If the legislation is detailed and specific. If a ban passes, I wonder how enforceable it would be? Marijuana is banned on a federal level but there are numerous state that allow for medical and recreational use. I wouldn't be surprised if some states pass their own legislation.
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Post by 16joy on Sept 19, 2019 13:10:39 GMT
Good point refugee pea. I see another type of "sanctuary city" happening as well.
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Post by schizo319 on Sept 19, 2019 13:21:08 GMT
I support high-capacity magazine/assault-style weapons ban - I would PREFER a *voluntary* buy-back program (with mandatory registration and insanely stiff penalties for those who choose to keep their weapons if said weapon is used in a homicide), but at this point I'll support ANYTHING that lessens the chances of large numbers of people being murdered at schools, concerts, stores, churches, etc.
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 19, 2019 13:29:14 GMT
I'd say because there are plenty of people who want to ban all guns from citizens. Those people are vocal as well. You personally know someone who wants to ban all guns? I don’t know anyone who really thinks that. Not to say that there aren’t a few people who do, but I believe their numbers are very small. I think it’s something the extreme right is saying to further the divide.
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Post by casii on Sept 19, 2019 14:04:15 GMT
I'd say because there are plenty of people who want to ban all guns from citizens. Those people are vocal as well. You personally know someone who wants to ban all guns? I don’t know anyone who really thinks that. Not to say that there aren’t a few people who do, but I believe their numbers are very small. I think it’s something the extreme right is saying to further the divide. I've not met anyone who wants to ban all guns either and I'm a member of Moms Demand Action. You should all join too! Lots of law abiding, gun owning members who are 100% for common sense gun reform.
I'd be concerned about sources who tell people there's a large amount of folks who want guns banned altogether. Even the people I do know who'd PREFER there to be no guns, feel it's overreach to have a total gun ban.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 19, 2019 14:10:25 GMT
I support high-capacity magazine/assault-style weapons ban - I would PREFER a *voluntary* buy-back program (with mandatory registration and insanely stiff penalties for those who choose to keep their weapons if said weapon is used in a homicide), but at this point I'll support ANYTHING that lessens the chances of large numbers of people being murdered at schools, concerts, stores, churches, etc. How about anyone who chooses to keep one must also purchase some kind of crazy expensive insurance policy? It shouldn’t be any easier or cheaper to obtain or own a car or a potentially dangerous dog than it is to own a weapon that is capable of mowing down a classroom full of school kids or a congregation of churchgoers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 14:14:54 GMT
What are you classifying as a military-style weapon? Where does the money for the buyback come from? How would you enforce "mandatory?" I think the poll here will be skewed as it is very much a left-leaning board. some “military” style rifles are no different than some high powered hunting rifles. And where does that money come from? Btw buy backs have done nothing to stop gang shootings.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 19, 2019 14:31:29 GMT
some “military” style rifles are no different than some high powered hunting rifles. This is something I need to understand more. I know with the AR-15 it's easy to get around the states that have the ban because of kits you can buy to modify them. Banning kits would have to be in the legislation.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Sept 19, 2019 14:58:49 GMT
By putting ban and mandatory buy back in the same question you poll is skewed to favor your position. While I might favor a ban I don't support a mandatory back. I stand by what I said on the other thread, you can't force someone to give up something they were legally entitled to own. If you try to add on forced jail time you're going to have a revolt. Worked with ferrets. They were legal to own at one time, now aren't. Get caught with one, pay a fine. There are plenty of things that were once completely legal to own but calmer, saner minds prevailed and are now illegal. I would love some sort of buy back program, but where would the money come from? The government? And how would the government get the money? What other programs would have to suffer? Taxes? Not a chance in hell of that happening. Fines from those that don't give them up? Too small of a pot. That being said, there have been many city-based buyback programs that have been incredibly successful. Oakland and San Francisco to name the two closest to me.
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Post by shevy on Sept 19, 2019 15:05:40 GMT
I have a husband who is a gunsmith and has several guns passed down to him from his father, who was in the army. It's one of the things that he and his father bonded over, when their relationship was on the rocks. And now that his father is dead, it would be difficult for him to give those up. He doesn't ever fire those weapons, they're locked in a safe and have gun locks on each one.
I much more support the restriction on ammo. Having to show and log what and how much ammo someone is purchasing. I also support background checks on ANY purchase, and banning internet purchases, unless it's shipped to a local dealer for the purchaser to pick up and verify who they are.
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Post by kmcginn on Sept 19, 2019 16:41:46 GMT
Sorry, I don't know how to vote!
Yes I support a ban on military assault style weapons.
I'm still unsure about the mandatory buyback, maybe a voluntary but they have to have a background check to keep? But I would support it to get the ban if I had a vote.
I'm of the camp that nobody except police and military need assault weapons whose soul purpose is to kill and mutilate. I have a BIL who says, "But they're fun!" Typical GOP Trumper!
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 19, 2019 16:46:07 GMT
By putting ban and mandatory buy back in the same question you poll is skewed to favor your position. While I might favor a ban I don't support a mandatory back. I stand by what I said on the other thread, you can't force someone to give up something they were legally entitled to own. If you try to add on forced jail time you're going to have a revolt. Sure you can.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 19, 2019 16:50:56 GMT
You personally know someone who wants to ban all guns? I don’t know anyone who really thinks that. Not to say that there aren’t a few people who do, but I believe their numbers are very small. I think it’s something the extreme right is saying to further the divide. I've not met anyone who wants to ban all guns either and I'm a member of Moms Demand Action. You should all join too! Lots of law abiding, gun owning members who are 100% for common sense gun reform.
I'd be concerned about sources who tell people there's a large amount of folks who want guns banned altogether. Even the people I do know who'd PREFER there to be no guns, feel it's overreach to have a total gun ban.
perfectly said and I also urge everyone to join their local MDA
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