iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Oct 8, 2019 18:49:34 GMT
sponsored event? In this case, organized by a particular church but others will be participating? The even will be held in the streets. Small town.
Would this annoy you as a resident/tax payer?
Just wondering if I'm overly peeved. Not Pea livid, but definitely a bit annoyed.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Oct 8, 2019 18:50:55 GMT
No. Nor would I be upset at an event for the Elks, the high school marching band or the county fair (which ours does for 4 days).
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2019 18:51:16 GMT
I'm assuming that any organization would have to arrange with the city to shut down a street-- pay for permits, etc. so NO, it wouldn't bother me that this particular reason was a church sponsored event.
If they DIDN'T have to do the same things any other organization did because they're a church? then yeah.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2019 18:52:02 GMT
If they applied to do so per the city’s rules to close it off, then let them have their event.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a church or not.
Here, anyone that applies and meets the requirements set by the city can have events, block parties, whatever.
No, it wouldn’t bother me.
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Post by mustlovecats on Oct 8, 2019 18:52:41 GMT
Like a festival or similar large event I assume? It’s pretty common for there to be street closures for church festivals here. I can think of two or three we’ve been to.
I don’t see why they wouldn’t allow it subject to the same guidelines as any other street closures for events.
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Oct 8, 2019 19:01:36 GMT
It's supposed to be some sort of fun fair/evening of hope. It's being promoted by one particular church and our city keeps advertising it on their FB page.
One page says there will be worship music, preaching and testimony. Maybe it's just because I get annoyed that this church does a lot of community events and seems really welcoming but if you dig, it's clear they are very conservative and anti choice, anti LGBT etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 19:04:33 GMT
We have a large festival here that closes a kind of a main street and makes a lot of noise. As people that live around it get older( and newbies), there are more and more complaints to get it shut down. As long as it has all the correct permits, the complainers are never going to get it closed down.
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Post by pancakes on Oct 8, 2019 19:04:36 GMT
I could be wrong if the church is friends with city employees, but I sincerely doubt the city would be posting about the event so much on its own. It sounds more like they paid for an advertising package with the city. And I'm assuming they had to file their own permits to shut down the road.
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Post by katlady on Oct 8, 2019 19:06:12 GMT
My only gripe would be that the church does not pay taxes for the street they are blocking, yet they are using city resources.
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Post by mustlovecats on Oct 8, 2019 19:09:57 GMT
My only gripe would be that the church does not pay taxes for the street they are blocking, yet they are using city resources. In my city, churches pay public works and police for events such as this, tax exempt status does not exempt you from these fees. Our church hosts a 5K race and we pay in about $3000 in fees to the city for permits, public works, and police just like any other org. It is not included in anyone’s taxes.
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NoWomanNoCry
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Oct 8, 2019 19:11:14 GMT
This happens a lot here especially with churches and I do get annoyed but I just move on since there isn’t anything you can do about it. What sucks is when they take up parking and you can’t park by your home...I realize it’s public streets but I do get annoyed.
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Post by snyder on Oct 8, 2019 19:11:22 GMT
Nope. Life is too short to get my panties in a wad. Let people be and enjoy. Kind of like putting a manger out at Christmas, let them do it, as I would welcome any other belief to put their symbolism out as well.
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Post by Prenticekid on Oct 8, 2019 19:15:54 GMT
Not an annoyance. But then, maybe you just aren't used to it or that kind of thing is not common in your area. I live in Pittsburgh and work and go to church downtown - there are street closures all the time for events. My office is in the midst of the end of all parades, marathons, 5Ks, Point State Park events and fireworks. I have to walk through the Arts Festival to get into my building. Since my church is downtown, so it can be quite interesting getting to church on the day of Steelers games, in addition to the above stuff. Oh, and then there is the occasional protest.
I'm a liberal and I think it is perfectly fine for anyone who obtains the proper permits to use public areas. I can't get annoyed with a conservative church event when roads are also closed for gay pride parades, furry conventions and impromptu protests over police violence.
Just row with the flow is my advice.
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Post by mom on Oct 8, 2019 19:18:21 GMT
My only gripe would be that the church does not pay taxes for the street they are blocking, yet they are using city resources. In my city, churches pay public works and police for events such as this, tax exempt status does not exempt you from these fees. Our church hosts a 5K race and we pay in about $3000 in fees to the city for permits, public works, and police just like any other org. It is not included in anyone’s taxes. Yes! I seriously doubt they are getting to do this for free. The city is making money on this.
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 8, 2019 19:18:50 GMT
I don't like streets shut down for anything because it is such an inconvenience. Example, at the Jersey Shore they shut down the main shopping street for a street fair, from Friday at noon to Sunday at noon. My mother cannot walk and to go someplace we have to park very close by. We could not go to town any of that time because the parking was too far away. I asked the town where do people with handicapped placards park and the response was any open parking spot. People were walking downtown from blocks away.
That said, if there are easy ways to go around and get where I need to get to then it's ok. But if it keeps me from getting where I need to go, then no.
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Post by smartypants71 on Oct 8, 2019 19:23:56 GMT
would not bother me as long as the event was publicized so the area can be avoided. Cigna does a monthly event here once a month on sundays where several blocks of a busy street are closed. I like the concept:
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Post by anniebygaslight on Oct 8, 2019 19:29:38 GMT
No.
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Post by basketdiva on Oct 8, 2019 19:32:30 GMT
Doesn't bother me. I do understand the issues for those with mobility issues and parking. Many places that I've lived in offer shuttle services for their events. Most were low cost and one this summer was "donate what you want" and the bus service donated all funds to a local organization-win/win for everyone
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Oct 8, 2019 19:33:58 GMT
My church does this at least once a year. We'll have large fires at certain liturgical times in the middle of the street between the church and the governor's mansion across the street, and we do a few services or gatherings on that street or a smaller one each year. We don't have green space that a church outside of downtown would have, so we have to be creative.
Of course, all kinds of things shut down our streets on weekends - fun runs, demonstrations, events, etc., so why not a church event? Our downtown streets are in grids, so if you can't turn down one, you just go down 2 blocks.
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Post by Merge on Oct 8, 2019 19:34:58 GMT
I get irritated when I'm driving down the freeway feeder (service road) on a Sunday morning, and a cop stops all the traffic to let literally every member of Lakewood Church out of the parking garage after a service. A street closure is signed and and I can go around it, but I sat there for like 15 minutes one day, unable to move, while that cop let all the churchgoers come out while traffic stacked up. Super annoying. I blame Joel Osteen personally.
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Post by nlwilkins on Oct 8, 2019 19:37:08 GMT
I would be upset if it was a major inconvenience to the people living on the street. Like myboysnme's mother who is stuck in her home because her street is shut down. Or what about even getting your car out after the street is roped off? One would hope these issues would be taken into consideration. What if the street shut down is a major through street and having it shut down causes major traffic jams?
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Post by schizo319 on Oct 8, 2019 19:37:35 GMT
Assuming that all the rules were followed with the city (permits, security, clean-up, etc), it wouldn't bother me (and I say this as a person who is no fan of organized religion and churches in general).
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 8, 2019 19:54:25 GMT
My only gripe would be that the church does not pay taxes for the street they are blocking, yet they are using city resources. But of course the church members DO pay taxes, so there's that.... As well as the city fees that mustlovecats mentioned.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 8, 2019 20:32:33 GMT
Like everyone else has said, assuming they have paid the fee with the city and are following what the permit says, then I have no problem with it. If I don't agree with event, I am free to not attend or avoid the area.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 20:35:22 GMT
Don't come to Austin, then. Downtown streets are always being shut down for festivals and such. You just find another way around it if you aren't joining in on the fun.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Oct 8, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
One page says there will be worship music, preaching and testimony. Maybe it's just because I get annoyed that this church does a lot of community events and seems really welcoming but if you dig, it's clear they are very conservative and anti choice, anti LGBT etc. You disagree with their message so closing the street is annoying you. If it was closed for a gay pride event would that annoy you too?
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Post by KikiPea on Oct 8, 2019 20:48:16 GMT
No. I don't see it as any different than a school homecoming parade, holiday parade, city event, non-city sponsored evenet. Doesn't matter, really. They are all the same to me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2019 23:15:26 GMT
No problem as long as they treat all organizations the same way subject to all regulations.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 8, 2019 23:34:06 GMT
Sure, as long as they have a permit.
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Post by Rhondito on Oct 8, 2019 23:46:03 GMT
No problem with it at all.
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