MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 14, 2019 17:46:20 GMT
Would you be offended by such a sign? The language on the sign could have been more positively spun and delivered the same message. Maybe "All well behaved children welcomed! Naughty children will be made into burgers" or "given espresso and a puppy" or "sold to the gypsies" or some other humorous thing.
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Post by peano on Nov 14, 2019 17:55:23 GMT
No small children should be walking/running around a restaurant for their own and the servers' safety, but no food on the floor in a fast food restaurant is asking a bit much.
ETA: But parents cleaning up after their children isn't.
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Post by Merge on Nov 14, 2019 18:04:09 GMT
I'm imagining the sign was prompted by a bunch of kids running around throwing food while their parents ignore the behavior. But no, you still can't post something like that - because of course you don't mean to exclude kids behaving in normal kid ways. You just want their parents to do their job in correcting the behavior before it gets out of hand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 18:18:57 GMT
Children are a pleasure to watch, so watch yours.
We went to a small family restaurant in Spokane, and ended up spending the hour entertaining the owners obnoxious brat. I think the owner should have refunded our money and gave us free dessert.
Food on the floor... clean it up,you don’t let your child do that home, why the hell would you let them do that in public. It is still a place to eat not run wild.
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Post by mustlovecats on Nov 14, 2019 18:22:13 GMT
I think it sets an unnecessarily combative tone with families, if there is behavior to deal with then deal with it but I think setting up for conflict isn’t helpful.
I have worked hard to teach my kids proper behavior but I never appreciated a heavy hand from others. I did appreciate reminders from other adults if there was behavior I was not seeing, but this would make me feel unwelcome and unnecessarily pre-judged.
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Post by iluvpink on Nov 14, 2019 18:37:28 GMT
I would inwardly roll my eyes and when my dd was a toddler I might have been a tad uncomfortable. We never let her run around any restaurants but she was wiggly and squirmy and her bottom didn't always have contact with the seat (though she didn't get up from the table). She surely dropped food but if was excessive we would clean up. But I'm sure we missed the stray french fry and random crumbs.
I think it's unnecessarily antagonistic.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Nov 14, 2019 18:51:10 GMT
What timing. I just ate in an Arby’s yesterday where a woman was letting her I assume child play a game on her phone at what seemed max volume. It was too loud where I was sitting three tables away, it could only be louder right there at their table.
Wiggly kids, a mess at the table, some loudness, all part of having children in a restaurant.
Kids up and running around, purposely throwing food on the floor, standing backward in a booth / their chair to talk to the people behind them ~ those are all adult problems. The sign could say “You! Yes, the Smith Family! Watch your f*cking kids” and they wouldn’t think it applies to them. People who let their children run around a restaurant see no problem with it; a sign won’t make them change.
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Post by smartypants71 on Nov 14, 2019 18:57:37 GMT
My friends, who own a restaurant here, handed out "rule" cards to parents after a few small kids damaged restaurant property. They received quite a bit of backlash, but they stuck to their guns. It's not a fast food restaurant though. The language on the Arby's sign is pretty harsh.
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Anita
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Post by Anita on Nov 14, 2019 19:02:56 GMT
Family-oriented does not mean your child can run amok. The sign could have been written in a different tone, but I have no problem with the message.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 14, 2019 19:05:24 GMT
Me offended, nope! But we did not take our youngest child out to stores and restaurants as often or early as her siblings. She was the child that would have been swinging in the clothes racks, IF I would have let her. But I didn’t let her and my children were not allowed to use stores and restaurants as playgrounds.
I agree the sign should have been worded better.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Nov 14, 2019 19:06:44 GMT
Would I be offended? Not at all.
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Post by Prenticekid on Nov 14, 2019 19:10:58 GMT
Not sure how this sign is any more offensive than "No shirt, No shoes, No service." LOL
It bothers me that there is a need for such a sign, more than there was a sign. Values were mentioned -- not sure what a person's values are if they let their kid run around anywhere other than a park or if employees are expected to clean up after you and your kid, other than as someone said, a stray fry. I do not care where I'm eating - I don't want your obnoxious kid or your obnoxious self sitting near me.
I do think it was silly to hang the sign. A better sign would be for restrooms. What grown ass women can do to a public restroom amazes me, and you know they are not doing it at home.
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Post by nlwilkins on Nov 14, 2019 19:19:14 GMT
Oh how dare they expect children to behave! It sounds to me like they have become fed up with ill behaved children. Yes toddlers are wiggly and don't like sitting in their chair, but they need to learn to do so. You don't let children run around when eating at home do you? Food is meant to be eaten not played with. (I agree though, the sign could have been worded a better)
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 14, 2019 19:23:18 GMT
No, I would not be offended and I have an 11 year old with the cognitive abilities of a toddler. Your kid or my kid's loud behavior shouldn't inconvenience other diners. Always have a plan B; always.
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 14, 2019 19:48:04 GMT
My guess is that the people who let their kids run wild are the ones who were offended by the sign.
My 93 year old aunt and I were in a fast food restaurant not too long ago and two little kids came running around the corner and ran straight into me. I was fine, but if they had run into my aunt, they would have knocked her to the ground. I said, "You kids need to be careful or someone will get hurt." The woman who appeared to be their mother looked up from her phone, glanced at me, glanced at the boys and then went right back to her phone. She didn't even care enough to ask what had happened.
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Post by Katie on Nov 14, 2019 19:51:06 GMT
This is local to me, just an hour away. The sign was misleading, because it was referring to a group of middle school kids that would stop in every day after school and create a ruckus.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 14, 2019 19:55:44 GMT
I would probably applaud loudly if I saw a sign like that. It is a shame some parents need to be told to make their children mind.
My kid was allowed to raise hell at home but she never once got out of hand in public. She was also always welcome around our friends because of her good behavior. The thing I don't get about parents that let their children be obnoxious, don't they realize that people will hate their kids? Why on earth would you allow your children to be disliked for bad behavior? I loved my kid too much to let that happen.
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Post by disneypal on Nov 14, 2019 19:59:06 GMT
Would I be offended? Not at all. Exactly - if you watch your kids and make sure to teach them how to behave, then there will not be a problem.
I'm sure some incidents must have occurred for them to put up such a sign. Most parents do their best to teach their young ones to act and they keep a close eye on them but then again, there are those that do not.
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Post by shevy on Nov 14, 2019 19:59:55 GMT
This is local to me also. The mom in question posted the sign on the Facebook city group and questioned it. She was told by several people on that post why the sign was up (the teens). Instead of realizing this and letting it go, she went to the local media. It went out locally, then statewide, then nationwide and she did press each time for it. I was on that thread and she was told several times that it was about the teens and that no one was going to make her 2 year old leave.
She makes me so angry. Everyone at the Arby's was disciplined for the sign.
The teens have caused so many issues in stores in that area as it's just across the highway from the middle and high school. They causes issues in Caribou Coffee that lead to them getting kicked out. They've done things to cars and carts in the Target parking lot and had police called on them. They've caused problems in the Culvers Restaurant right there. And the local police station is about a mile away. The mob of teens need to be stopped.
And for the record, I've gone to Arbys 3 times in the last week to support them over this whole thing.
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Post by lucyg on Nov 14, 2019 20:00:01 GMT
I agree kids should exhibit basic civil behavior in a restaurant, even a fast food restaurant. And you would not catch me on TV whining about being triggered by a sign in a restaurant. BUT I think that particular sign is evidence of way crappy marketing skills. Sure, something a little more lighthearted reminding parents to keep an eye on their kids would be fine. It wouldn’t work on the worst offenders, though. You would need to deal with them on a case-by-case basis, and obviously the store was trying to avoid that. Now they’ve pissed off everyone, instead of just the offenders. Smart, real smart. ETA I have now read the further information about the situation with MS kids causing trouble. And my stance is unchanged. It was still a badly worded sign that pissed off young families and no doubt did nothing to change the behavior of the teens. They need to deal with the bad behavior on an individual basis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 20:06:48 GMT
How about we stop thinking family oriented means kids can run wild and disturb other customers. I prefer a business that is customer oriented. All customers.
Entitled parents lead to entitled children.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 14, 2019 20:15:24 GMT
This is local to me also. The mom in question posted the sign on the Facebook city group and questioned it. She was told by several people on that post why the sign was up (the teens). Instead of realizing this and letting it go, she went to the local media. It went out locally, then statewide, then nationwide and she did press each time for it. I was on that thread and she was told several times that it was about the teens and that no one was going to make her 2 year old leave. She makes me so angry. Everyone at the Arby's was disciplined for the sign. The teens have caused so many issues in stores in that area as it's just across the highway from the middle and high school. They causes issues in Caribou Coffee that lead to them getting kicked out. They've done things to cars and carts in the Target parking lot and had police called on them. They've caused problems in the Culvers Restaurant right there. And the local police station is about a mile away. The mob of teens need to be stopped. And for the record, I've gone to Arbys 3 times in the last week to support them over this whole thing. So the Arby’s employees got disciplined, she got her 15 minutes of fame and she still doesn’t get it. That sucks Thank you for supporting that Arby’s
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 14, 2019 20:15:51 GMT
This is local to me also. The mom in question posted the sign on the Facebook city group and questioned it. She was told by several people on that post why the sign was up (the teens). Instead of realizing this and letting it go, she went to the local media. It went out locally, then statewide, then nationwide and she did press each time for it. I was on that thread and she was told several times that it was about the teens and that no one was going to make her 2 year old leave. She sounds exhausting. I hope she realizes other parents are taking notes of her actions and are going to do their best to avoid her and her children.
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Post by shevy on Nov 14, 2019 20:25:42 GMT
So the Arby’s employees got disciplined, she got her 15 minutes of fame and she still doesn’t get it. That sucks Yep. And people started to call her out in the group and then she deleted the whole initial thread and left the group. At one point this summer, adults in the group where taking photos of the kids in the parking lot racing carts with teens in the carts and teens pushing. Some parents were seeing their kids being part of this and went to get their kids and lessen the amount of teens. But the group admin had to delete the photos because it was minors. Since then, there are posts almost weekly about what the mob is doing and where they are, but no way to ID who the kids are so parents know what's going on. And by the time the police get to where the kids are, the group has broken up and left. There's a community center right by the schools, but I don't know that they have many after school programs. The hockey rink is there too. But it's just a lot of kids in a small area with not much else to do.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 14, 2019 20:54:17 GMT
How about we stop thinking family oriented means kids can run wild and disturb other customers. I prefer a business that is customer oriented. All customers. Entitled parents lead to entitled children. ITA.
I'm wondering when "family oriented" was redefined as kids running amok with distracted parents. Was it when Chuck E. Cheese became the big thing? Cause I can totally see that.
My mom never even took us inside a restaurant until we (the 3 of us) were all over 5 years old AND it was after we had "restaurant practice" dinners at home. I did the same with my kids though I did take them younger than 5. I'd leave when they were nearing their endurance and would never let them run around...I am honestly appalled by the behavior of some families (autism aside of course).
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 14, 2019 21:15:55 GMT
So the Arby’s employees got disciplined, she got her 15 minutes of fame and she still doesn’t get it. That sucks Yep. And people started to call her out in the group and then she deleted the whole initial thread and left the group. At one point this summer, adults in the group where taking photos of the kids in the parking lot racing carts with teens in the carts and teens pushing. Some parents were seeing their kids being part of this and went to get their kids and lessen the amount of teens. But the group admin had to delete the photos because it was minors. Since then, there are posts almost weekly about what the mob is doing and where they are, but no way to ID who the kids are so parents know what's going on. And by the time the police get to where the kids are, the group has broken up and left. There's a community center right by the schools, but I don't know that they have many after school programs. The hockey rink is there too. But it's just a lot of kids in a small area with not much else to do. That sucks about not being able to post photos/video. We had someone ask to post a photo of a couple of young people checking out their property and they were told they couldn’t either. If it was my kids I would want to know/see it.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Nov 14, 2019 21:25:58 GMT
I think it was dumb and not thought out well. Like stated above, it was in regards to middle school heathens running amok without parents after school since they are just down the road from the school. Those kids certainly needed to be rebuked, but the employees were not clear with their audience or word choice. Since THAT is what they were referring to, they needed to be more precise with their written communication and perhaps more proactive and less passive aggressive since that nuance will be lost on developing pre-frontal cortex and unruly tweens without adult supervision.
I think if it was in regards to all children it would have been offensive. It is an Arby's. It's fast food. Again, anyone who lets their kids run rampant without trying to reign them is either having a really really really bad day or is just a grown up tween who, again, isn't going to give a shit about a passive aggressive sign. I know the peas see horribly behaved kids EVERYWHERE, but I don't. I see them from time to time and either the parent is trying to reign them in or, rarely, is not. If they are not, if it isn't a fluke, some sign isn't going to get them to parent well. You will have to buck up and ask them to behave, kick them out or ignore it. Most normal and mentally mature/healthy parents try to keep the kids from going crazy. A sign like this seems antagonistic and creates an unwelcoming message you do not want. You might be able to get away with this at a finer/adult venue, but not at a fast food place.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 14, 2019 21:43:35 GMT
I wouldn’t be offended because my kid doesn’t act out in public like that. In fact, she gets annoyed when other kids do.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Nov 14, 2019 21:56:09 GMT
I would not have been offended. My kids are past that age, but even when they were young, I never let them run around. If messes were on the floor, we cleaned them up. Even our youngest who is autistic has always been well behaved in restaurants. The only time they were allowed to get up and run around was when we would go into McDonald's playland. Never ever outside of play land.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Nov 14, 2019 22:13:20 GMT
I wouldn’t be offended because my kid doesn’t act out in public like that. In fact, she gets annoyed when other kids do. Mine were the same way!
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