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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 19:52:07 GMT
No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. No one here called you a crazy bitch. No one here said that a hate crime muddy's the water--she asked you a question about it, not making a statement that it did. You assumed/assigned something else to it. No one here disagreed with you that not being charged with a hate crime was a miscarriage of justice. again, you're making assumptions about what others think. Word usage--how do I know? Because I read what was actually written without inserting anything else into the meaning This is what being gracious would look like "Olan I did see zookeeper calling you a crazy bitch and I now see that I was wrong about you implying or assigning a new meaning to what kibbleandbits said." Show me where I said I was insulted by the idiom. I did not. Its words on a screen. You can't make them up. You can't imply what I've implied because I didn't imply anything. She absolutely said it could muddy the murder charge. Again its words on a screen! She may deny it though. In the same indignant way the *other person in this thread* who refuses to limit their interactions with me will not say hmm okay guess I was reaching or flat out wrong. All because you are trying to argue down something that has no defense. A distraction. Thats what you are. What I did say was that the word choice was an interesting one Further down I shared one of my favorite quotes one I've shared here several times Please know that I don't owe any of you courtesy or explanations when you've spoken so harshly to me in the past and in this very thread. You'll deflect and say I baited you or try to convince people how horrible my character is but it will be clear whose character is lacking in these threads. Even if you are on the bitter angry black woman bandwagon *who deserves mistreatment by police based on my 2peas participation* that could never change the truth about who you are at your core. You know nothing about me. "Bitter black woman bandwagon...deserve it..." What bullshit. I didn't say that and it speaks volumes of your character that you would assign it to peas who have not. Liar much? YOU are what's wrong here--you think everyone has slighted you, when in reality the words are your own and not anyone else's--your preconceived, assumed responses. You are ready at the quick to jump on peas because you have said its because you are black. I don't care if you're red, purple, pink or black--YOUR Responses and hatefulness are what get those negatives, not your color. You are right--Peas will see character flaws here--all of them. I'm good with what I've written because I've not been hateful towards you at all. You continually point out slurs and slams of anyone who is white, but you haven't gotten the same in return. Extend graciousness to you? You really think you deserve it? I'm not being hateful towards you, my responses are BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS HERE, and still not hateful! I wasn't wrong in stating that no one here called you a crazy bitch---because it wasn't here in this thread that I was commenting on, I'm not in the habit of mixing up threads! Notice how I didn't say you were any of those things? But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you since you lump all of us white people into one group, right? And again, she ASKED YOU if you thought it would "muddy the waters" ...she was ASKING YOU, she wasn't making a declaration that it would. But in your head, you think she said it would and I will go out on a limb and say that you take issue with her use of "muddy" because you think it was a purposeful slam on race, and not what she actually meant "to make something more complicated and less clear". I'm betting she was not referring to Muddy Waters, the person. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2017 19:24:02 GMT
No one is patting themselves on the back. I have clicked on the links, thanks. Why would you presume that I am approaching you for discussion if I haven't read the information you've provided? Now, let's have a discussion, not a scattershot blast of random accusations and diversions. SaveSaveI assumed you didn't click the links because your attitude seems to be one of pride at the progress white people have made in being better people. Scattershot blast of accusations and diversions? Is that what this is? I thought this was a thread where I said damn he should be charged with a hate crime and the everyone else is all like nooooo "Olan this is progress" or playing armchair prosecutor suggesting that adding a hate crime charge would "muddy" the proceedings. And this post of yours is just not true. Not everyone is saying no--shoot--your own title and links are not even saying the same thing. The prosecution is stating that they have not reviewed everything yet--and that hate crime may be added later with the evidence that they are reviewing. Your title flat out states no hate crime charges, which is not really what they have said. Context or the complete statements. And again, it does not matter what I think the evidence is, it's what they can prove! Also, with saying it's progress is NOT dismissing anything else, it's a statement *in addition to* what has been mentioned. Yes, you blast out with insulting statements and judgements that (whites) are "patting themselves on the back" or """ooohhoo Olan...looky looky..". and no one here has said that they don't think a hate crime is warranted, they are following what the prosecutor is saying. Facts and evidence are important TO MAKE THE CHARGES STICK. You need to pay attention to what people are actually saying, instead of continually inserting your preconceived assumptions into the convo. You're not doing yourself any favors here. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2017 16:41:39 GMT
i figured Olan was ramping up she periodically goes thru my post history and "likes" comments to add her spreadsheet she's become adept at ignoring me - i figured she finally put me on ignore until i woke up to a notification that she was stalking my replies again happens every couple weeks i get more notifications from Olan than anyone else! gina Oh that's weird...I wondered about the "liking" of my posts--a few weeks ago she did the same--there was a flood of likes by her on my posts and I got the notifications and I was like wth??? I didn't know what was going on. As for the convo here/thread, I don't think she really wants convo. I think her responses to posters her are just itching to jump all over people. I think she is raging (and her prerogative) and waiting to bait responses so that she can unleash on anyone for trying to feel anything or offer any inkling of support. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 5, 2017 0:06:41 GMT
I followed from the start so I know the details surrounding the actual crime and the "manhunt". I had to google to find a news story about his subsequent arrest. Those details about Bianca weren't mentioned in any news story I read or watched. But you're probably right it's my media choices and nothing else *winks*. Honestly Olan it took me a minute or less to find out things about Bianca. So this time is definitely is about your media choices and what you choose to look for and what you choose to see. I knew infirmation about Bianca was out there because I had already read things about her. But I checked again before I posted to be sure. Less than a minute plenty of information about what a wonderful person she was. No one is trying to hide that she was smart, joyful, young person who did not deserve to be murdered. You can 'wink' all you want to but that does make it so. Sometimes your creating what YOU want to see instead of what's really there. But carry on, your going to anyway. I agree with you hop2Our local news was reporting on this- When this happened, all we knew was all about her, what she had been doing (shopping with relatives) and that she had just graduated, was a beautiful, bright soul and on her way to college in the fall. I heard/read comments from her relatives about how wonderful a girl she was. The only thing that I heard about the shooter was "red truck" "male" and "possible road rage". I think that the video footage the police immediately obtained and put out for people to view to have the population help find the shooter was a good thing, and when they did find the vehicle, the evidence led to a quick arrest, another good thing. The media is quoting people who knew the shooter. It's not wrong that they stated he was a calm, good (whatever) guy. It's how those people knew him. I believe that especially in this instance, if anyone of those who knew him thought him to be a gun toting psycho, they would have said that and the media reported that. The police are certainly not saying anything other than it being such a heinous crime. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 9, 2017 23:02:14 GMT
And Olan, I wish you would just shut the hell up already. You don't speak for me or any other black woman I know and from one black woman to another, you are the kind of black person I embarrassed of. The kind that makes everything the white persons fault. You come across as an angry, scorned black woman trying to make your problems every white womans fault. Personal responsibility goes a long, long way. She's nothing more than a troll trying (and succeeding) to get a rise out of people. She's a bully and proud of it. Why you guys continue to engage with her and any other troll that comes to this board floors me. just let her be. You don't know anything about me. Much like these women. I won't pretend to know anything about you and don't pretend to speak for every black woman. What exactly have I said that you disagree with. I don't blame white people for anything that has happened in my life. I am who I am. Very proud of the life I've made for myself. It saddens me that just because I've shed light on the nastiness of your little happy place you then jump on the bandwagon and force me to qualify my being here. My story is an amazing story of triump. Lifetime worthy. No one black or white can stand in the way of what was meant for me. I'm just not going to stand idle while shit like this happens. If that's what you'd like to do fine. You can continue to play barbies with people who have shown you their character if you'd like but don't go accusing me of speaking for you because Dani we don't even speak the same language. I can assume that we don't share the same dialect because you've told me "how I come across" ummm I've called out a group of women who think black Boys don't deserve the same stamp of innocence as white Boys. Your inability to see (read/comprehend) what others have written that show empathy and where they state that people should be treated equally for the same crimes, make you "how you come across". You only see what you want. Not all feel how you are pegging them to be. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 9, 2016 23:47:21 GMT
Come to think of it--where is your outrage for the officers that the black man (YOUR term) wounded and killed?  This lack of empathy crap started because Olan didn't think we were sorry enough or outraged enough, and I have yet to see one little peep regarding and empathy or outrage to the deaths of 5 officers specifically targeted because of their whiteness by a black man. That's not what this thread was about. Yes, in part it was, and Olan was the one who directed it that way. She was the first on this thread to chastise that we were not feeling/giving of empathy/outraged enough about the families of deceased. I suggest before you jump in people's shit you read. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 9, 2016 19:27:44 GMT
Come to think of it--where is your outrage for the officers that the black man (YOUR term) wounded and killed? This lack of empathy crap started because Olan didn't think we were sorry enough or outraged enough, and I have yet to see one little peep regarding and empathy or outrage to the deaths of 5 officers specifically targeted because of their whiteness by a black man. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 9, 2016 19:17:14 GMT
I really wish people would stop telling Olan how to feel and how she should react. Not your job, white people. You (we) DON'T know what it feels like. Just because someone called you a cracker once, or you grew up poor white, or you are the family member of a law enforcement officer (or an LEO yourself) doesn't entitle you to do anything but express your own feelings and leave it at that. You don't get to tell her how to react to your own shit. She's not here to make you feel better about your empathy. She has a right to be sad and angry and afraid, because that is what this country has taught her. Doesn't mean we can't move forward. Doesn't mean we can't have peace. But you cannot tell her how she should feel and when she should feel it. Not that you need me, to defend you, Olan. You don't. I'm sorry this has happened. I'm sorry people don't get it. Ladies: Check. Your. White. Privilege. You seriously need to stuff a sock in it and check yourself. Olan came here telling many that they were not sorry enough, that we had no empathy, that we were not outraged/upset/pissed off enough. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 25, 2015 1:34:08 GMT
Ill will? The fact that you guys are clutching your pearls has me laughing. Crazy psycho lady laughter at that. How is what I am saying even close to the things peas have said to each other to turn each other down in years past. Early menopause? That's child's play. This really is like an alternate universe. Oddly enough I feel like I will miss out on some amazing trend, recipe, hot new product, and more importantly sales!!!! I am going to hang around but bow out of this particular thread. The maniacal laughter thing made my sister suggest I "not be mean to people on the Internet on xmas eve". Guess she doesn't see that it was only your lack of solidarity that caused my humanity to wane a little! I really am claws away until I see someone else being totally treated like crap. It seems that I can't shame or insult any of you into seeing things the way I do and I am going to be okay with that. Before you guys hurl the tomatoes and I curtsy (you will see why in a second) do know that I take ownership of every single thing I do or say AND what someone else might take away from that interaction. When you hurt someone who is hurting what the fuck does that say about you. Look at the main "players" in this...my main point should illustrate that I am among this group but as ole OPRAH says hurt people hurt people. So Sage advice or not the advice offered here could only serve to make someone feel more shitty. Another thing to consider is it really sage advice....as I pointed out before the "you suck as a mother" crap came from the women who are the most insecure in their parenting or relationships. They have every reason to be. Truth be told (captain obvious) Olan isn't always kind with her words so I only offer up big time life decision advice to people who I can physically put my hands on should they need a shoulder. I.e. Not going to tell my sister to divorce her husband unless I plan to help pick up the pieces. You guys just tear each other down because you are secretly miserable. And I thought your sister told you not to be mean, but you couldn't help yourself now could you. Take your own "sage advice" sweetie. You need it more than any other AND every poster on this thread. Oh and congrats on making this thread all about you and your fucked up life. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 25, 2015 1:30:26 GMT
now your quotes make it look like you said it. Can you go back and delete those posts, or at least fix them? I'm a total bitch on here but I would never really wish physical harm or illnesses or pain to anyone. On my first read, I totally got that it was Olan being the bitch wishing her illness... |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 25, 2015 1:24:39 GMT
admin, can you shed any light on the reason why olan's avatar has reverted to the kiwi? Does it mean anything? Thanks  She did it herself, changed it that us, because she was being a vicious bitch and she was afraid another spread sheet pea would track her. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 28, 2015 23:07:26 GMT
If he would have been innocent, had not taken off running from police when ordered to stop, he might still be here. He set his fate in motion. Police brutality is wrong, I'll state that first. Using fool-Ana's account of the incident for illustration (because no one knows yet exactly what happened) she claims that everyone should see crystal clearly and be out raged at the video of Mr. grays broken spice when the hand cuffed him and pulled him up from the ground. Tackling a person of suspect who is running from police is not police brutality. You don't see him being beaten or abused in the video that is supposed to outrage us, according to fool-Ana, you see police arresting a person who ran. He appears to stumble with his steps and drag his foot/feet, which MANY who are arrested fighting and resisting. His injury could have happened when he was "tackled" by police, again while he was ignoring orders to stop. I won't be surprised to hear that this is the case, a very sad and unfortunate accident and result of his trying to flee and police trying to detain him. (Accident similar to when this sort of injury happens in sports, football) I'm not ready to scream brutality yet about this one, however regardless of Mr. gray, what they are doing in Baltimore is just wrong, illegal and fool-Ana for you to try to rationalize it, compare it, reason it side by side and an eye for an eye is just idiotic. Did you state that first? because how your post reads to me is...If he were innocent he wouldn't have been running and he set his own death into motion by doing so. We live in the United States of America running doesn't make you guilty and even if he were guilty of a crime the punishment isn't DEATH. I totally agree Olan. The thing is that it's being assumed that he was murdered, that it was police brutality---when in reality it could be just a freak ACCIDENT of being tackled when he ran away from the police--which is NOT police brutality. |
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