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Post by scrappinghappy on May 10, 2020 16:25:30 GMT
Also the problem with testing...if you test negative, you were negative when the swab was taken, if you discount the many false results, and you could be infected soon after. Its not a license to do stupid things
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 16:32:09 GMT
Ok, so an ER nurse on my brother’s FB page is telling me that this is all a bunch of hype and nonsense, and people should go out and live their lives. Supposedly she is treating Covid patients and it’s just not the big deal the media is making it out to be. She says all the healthcare workers she knows feel the same way. She’s in Phoenix, so not exactly the boonies. The numbers in the OP suggest that she’s full of shit. Can any healthcare workers here confirm or deny? I don’t know if we have ER or ICU workers here, but I’d live to hear some first hand opinions. I think the issue is that we need to remember a very small percentage of people who get it will get dangerously sick, end up in hospital or ICU or die. Chances are most people are seeing patients who are fine. My Dh works in a hospital and is a pedi. He knows his hospital had covid patients but he hasn’t seen one - they don’t get them daily. Not only is he staying as far from ER and the wards (when possible) as he can but we haven’t had one kid with covid admitted or in ER in any of the hospitals in our province. He attends deliveries and sometimes they’re awaiting a woman’s rapid test when she delivers so he’s always fully covered in his PPE when he’s in the hospital but he’s a dr working full time in hospital who hasn’t seen one covid patient. I think just remember that for a very small percentage of the population it is deadly and dangerous and while we know over the age of 60 and those with underlying health conditions are more at risk the rest of why or who is random. I read that and fully understand how it could affect people so differently. There have been so many cases that have killed people (young children, otherwise healthy people, etc) without a warning. As far as the "small percentage who will get it and be dangerously sick", we often take for granted what so many people in that sector might go through. So many family members and friends in NY have had it. Even though they didn't need to go to the hospital, many of them went through a harrowing experience. It shouldn't be taken for granted and it's not easy-peasy (akin to the flu) for many, many people. So, please keep that in mind. The only reason they don't go to the hospital is because their breathing isn't urgent yet.
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Post by BSnyder on May 10, 2020 16:39:26 GMT
Ok, so an ER nurse on my brother’s FB page is telling me that this is all a bunch of hype and nonsense, and people should go out and live their lives. Supposedly she is treating Covid patients and it’s just not the big deal the media is making it out to be. She says all the healthcare workers she knows feel the same way. She’s in Phoenix, so not exactly the boonies. The numbers in the OP suggest that she’s full of shit. Can any healthcare workers here confirm or deny? I don’t know if we have ER or ICU workers here, but I’d live to hear some first hand opinions. I listened to a podcast recently that interviewed some EMTs and paramedics in NYC. They said the number of heart attack/stroke calls they are going on is unprecedented and for many the family members say the person had been ill with fever, cough, etc. I don't know how they are treating these deaths, but I think it is possible deaths are being undercounted. Of course, that is anecdotal. But if you look at the data plotting average deaths per month and see the spikes since Covid is around - something is causing a huge Delta in deaths from normal. And if it isn't Covid - what is it? Response from healthcare workers seems to be heavily influenced by their location and exposure to Covid. I think we have all seen the posts written by workers in NYC and they are horrifying. The people who seem to be minimizing the danger have not been in the thick of it. And anyone who blows this off saying it is like the flu pretty much instantly loses any credibility in my mind. The flu is serious too and there is a lot we are still learning about Covid, but so far the science and data indicate this is most definitely not "just like the flu". My DD is an EMT in MD and works in the coronary unit in a hospital in DC. Early on she said the medical personnel were seeing the a high number of people having complications because of thickened blood. So thick that they were not able to do blood draws without treating with thinners first, causing other complications. These patients tested positive for covid, were critically ill, but it wasn’t typical cold and pneumonia complications making them so sick. Covid was leading to blockages due to blood thickness causing heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney failure, and lung complications. Many of their patients are not elderly, think 30s, 40s, and 50s. Their department just recently celebrated several patients pulling through. The thickening of the blood has been reported in some news outlets, but not widely. To this point, I don’t think there has been anything definitive about why some patients are susceptible to this and some are not. So cause of death is not cut and dry in these cases, which was the cause of death?
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Post by maryland on May 10, 2020 16:41:13 GMT
Oh, and PS....... a thread about 80,000 dying in a pandemic would never be flagged as "political" in any other country. True! Was confused why it was labeled politics.
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Post by Zee on May 10, 2020 16:51:51 GMT
I listened to a podcast recently that interviewed some EMTs and paramedics in NYC. They said the number of heart attack/stroke calls they are going on is unprecedented and for many the family members say the person had been ill with fever, cough, etc. I don't know how they are treating these deaths, but I think it is possible deaths are being undercounted. Of course, that is anecdotal. But if you look at the data plotting average deaths per month and see the spikes since Covid is around - something is causing a huge Delta in deaths from normal. And if it isn't Covid - what is it? Response from healthcare workers seems to be heavily influenced by their location and exposure to Covid. I think we have all seen the posts written by workers in NYC and they are horrifying. The people who seem to be minimizing the danger have not been in the thick of it. And anyone who blows this off saying it is like the flu pretty much instantly loses any credibility in my mind. The flu is serious too and there is a lot we are still learning about Covid, but so far the science and data indicate this is most definitely not "just like the flu". My DD is an EMT in MD and works in the coronary unit in a hospital in DC. Early on she said the medical personnel were seeing the a high number of people having complications because of thickened blood. So thick that they were not able to do blood draws without treating with thinners first, causing other complications. These patients tested positive for covid, were critically ill, but it wasn’t typical cold and pneumonia complications making them so sick. Covid was leading to blockages due to blood thickness causing heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney failure, and lung complications. Many of their patients are not elderly, think 30s, 40s, and 50s. Their department just recently celebrated several patients pulling through. The thickening of the blood has been reported in some news outlets, but not widely. To this point, I don’t think there has been anything definitive about why some patients are susceptible to this and some are not. So cause of death is not cut and dry in these cases, which was the cause of death? I saw this with my own eyes. Patient already on strong IV blood thinner, blood pulled during procedure, clotted almost immediately. Shouldn't have been possible. He is two years younger than me. Mostly you only hear about the lung involvement, not the clotting disorders. But we can't predict who will be affected this way.
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ashley
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Post by ashley on May 10, 2020 16:53:55 GMT
My DD is an EMT in MD and works in the coronary unit in a hospital in DC. Early on she said the medical personnel were seeing the a high number of people having complications because of thickened blood. So thick that they were not able to do blood draws without treating with thinners first, causing other complications. These patients tested positive for covid, were critically ill, but it wasn’t typical cold and pneumonia complications making them so sick. Covid was leading to blockages due to blood thickness causing heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney failure, and lung complications. Many of their patients are not elderly, think 30s, 40s, and 50s. Their department just recently celebrated several patients pulling through. The thickening of the blood has been reported in some news outlets, but not widely. To this point, I don’t think there has been anything definitive about why some patients are susceptible to this and some are not. So cause of death is not cut and dry in these cases, which was the cause of death? I saw this with my own eyes. Patient already on strong IV blood thinner, blood pulled during procedure, clotted almost immediately. Shouldn't have been possible. He is two years younger than me. Mostly you only hear about the lung involvement, not the clotting disorders. But we can't predict who will be affected this way. Is this thickened blood effect why some otherwise “healthy” people with covid are suffering strokes?
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Post by Zee on May 10, 2020 16:55:37 GMT
I saw this with my own eyes. Patient already on strong IV blood thinner, blood pulled during procedure, clotted almost immediately. Shouldn't have been possible. He is two years younger than me. Mostly you only hear about the lung involvement, not the clotting disorders. But we can't predict who will be affected this way. Is this thickened blood effect why some otherwise “healthy” people with covid are suffering strokes? Yes
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Post by ashley on May 10, 2020 17:03:49 GMT
Is this thickened blood effect why some otherwise “healthy” people with covid are suffering strokes? Yes Are there other known viruses that also cause this issue, even if rarely, do you know? I don’t mean this in a callous way at all, but it is going to be interesting to learn more about this particular Coronavirus and variables that lead to such varying side effects.
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Post by hop2 on May 10, 2020 17:12:42 GMT
I listened to a podcast recently that interviewed some EMTs and paramedics in NYC. They said the number of heart attack/stroke calls they are going on is unprecedented and for many the family members say the person had been ill with fever, cough, etc. I don't know how they are treating these deaths, but I think it is possible deaths are being undercounted. Of course, that is anecdotal. But if you look at the data plotting average deaths per month and see the spikes since Covid is around - something is causing a huge Delta in deaths from normal. And if it isn't Covid - what is it? Response from healthcare workers seems to be heavily influenced by their location and exposure to Covid. I think we have all seen the posts written by workers in NYC and they are horrifying. The people who seem to be minimizing the danger have not been in the thick of it. And anyone who blows this off saying it is like the flu pretty much instantly loses any credibility in my mind. The flu is serious too and there is a lot we are still learning about Covid, but so far the science and data indicate this is most definitely not "just like the flu". My DD is an EMT in MD and works in the coronary unit in a hospital in DC. Early on she said the medical personnel were seeing the a high number of people having complications because of thickened blood. So thick that they were not able to do blood draws without treating with thinners first, causing other complications. These patients tested positive for covid, were critically ill, but it wasn’t typical cold and pneumonia complications making them so sick. Covid was leading to blockages due to blood thickness causing heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney failure, and lung complications. Many of their patients are not elderly, think 30s, 40s, and 50s. Their department just recently celebrated several patients pulling through. The thickening of the blood has been reported in some news outlets, but not widely. To this point, I don’t think there has been anything definitive about why some patients are susceptible to this and some are not. So cause of death is not cut and dry in these cases, which was the cause of death? Yes, it is very intriguing. There was an early rumor out of China that covid was less bad for people with a certain blood type. But beyond that early rumor - nothing. So I’m guessing that did not pan out. Medical staff are busy trying to save patients & don’t have a heck of a lot of time to study/figure out what might be the commonality that makes covid asymptomatic, or makes it bad, or it makes it catastrophic. Plus the patients who are catastrophic get that way so fast that getting information from them verbally is next to impossible. I’m sure many of us would like to know. Is it genetic, is it diet, is it environment? I have a hard time thinking a virus is truly just random. I think there’s a factor not yet known, unfortunately may never be known. There isn’t even time for coroners to look what may be the commonality.
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Post by hop2 on May 10, 2020 17:14:18 GMT
Oh, and PS....... a thread about 80,000 dying in a pandemic would never be flagged as "political" in any other country. True! Was confused why it was labeled politics.
because facts are ‘politics’ now I guess
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Post by pyccku on May 10, 2020 17:15:08 GMT
If you are interested in hearing more about what doctors are learning about treating COVID, the podcast America Dissected is worth a listen. The host is a dr with many connections in hospitals who are working with COVID patients, and this past week he talked about the blood issues.
There is so much we don't know about this virus. When everyone was dismissing it as an old-person disease, I was thinking that even old people matter. Then it was a disease that only afflicted those with other health issues - and I was thinking that even people with co-morbidities matter. And all along I was thinking - what happens when we find out that it can also kill young, healthy people? All of these people who have been ignoring it are going to find out too late that they should have been taking precautions!
And so here we are...it can and does kill old people. It can and does kill people with other very common health issues. It can and does kill young people. And it can and does kill children after all.
This is to say nothing of what sort of long-lasting effects it may have. We won't know about those for months, if not years. So telling someone "no big deal, you'll be sick for a couple of weeks and then be fine!" is very different from realizing that "you'll be sick for a couple of weeks, then get a little bitter - but you may have reduced lung function for the rest of your life. Or you may lose kidney function and need dialysis or a transplant. Or you may have a stroke and have to recover from that. But yeah, no big deal. No worse than the flu and you probably won't die!"
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:17:18 GMT
That's why I keep looking at the excess mortality stats. People dying in higher than average numbers is the key. Whether they're dying of covid in the hospital or heart attacks at home, the excess mortality stats show that covid affects people in all different ways. www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:24:24 GMT
If you are interested in hearing more about what doctors are learning about treating COVID, the podcast America Dissected is worth a listen. The host is a dr with many connections in hospitals who are working with COVID patients, and this past week he talked about the blood issues. There is so much we don't know about this virus. When everyone was dismissing it as an old-person disease, I was thinking that even old people matter. Then it was a disease that only afflicted those with other health issues - and I was thinking that even people with co-morbidities matter. And all along I was thinking - what happens when we find out that it can also kill young, healthy people? All of these people who have been ignoring it are going to find out too late that they should have been taking precautions! And so here we are...it can and does kill old people. It can and does kill people with other very common health issues. It can and does kill young people. And it can and does kill children after all. This is to say nothing of what sort of long-lasting effects it may have. We won't know about those for months, if not years. So telling someone "no big deal, you'll be sick for a couple of weeks and then be fine!" is very different from realizing that "you'll be sick for a couple of weeks, then get a little bitter - but you may have reduced lung function for the rest of your life. Or you may lose kidney function and need dialysis or a transplant. Or you may have a stroke and have to recover from that. But yeah, no big deal. No worse than the flu and you probably won't die!" And this is exactly way all people have to start taking this virus seriously and quite listening to the fool in the White House.
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Post by elaine on May 10, 2020 17:24:54 GMT
My DD is an EMT in MD and works in the coronary unit in a hospital in DC. Early on she said the medical personnel were seeing the a high number of people having complications because of thickened blood. So thick that they were not able to do blood draws without treating with thinners first, causing other complications. These patients tested positive for covid, were critically ill, but it wasn’t typical cold and pneumonia complications making them so sick. Covid was leading to blockages due to blood thickness causing heart attacks, strokes, liver and kidney failure, and lung complications. Many of their patients are not elderly, think 30s, 40s, and 50s. Their department just recently celebrated several patients pulling through. The thickening of the blood has been reported in some news outlets, but not widely. To this point, I don’t think there has been anything definitive about why some patients are susceptible to this and some are not. So cause of death is not cut and dry in these cases, which was the cause of death? Yes, it is very intriguing. There was an early rumor out of China that covid was less bad for people with a certain blood type. But beyond that early rumor - nothing. So I’m guessing that did not pan out. Medical staff are busy trying to save patients & don’t have a heck of a lot of time to study/figure out what might be the commonality that makes covid asymptomatic, or makes it bad, or it makes it catastrophic. Plus the patients who are catastrophic get that way so fast that getting information from them verbally is next to impossible. I’m sure many of us would like to know. Is it genetic, is it diet, is it environment? I have a hard time thinking a virus is truly just random. I think there’s a factor not yet known, unfortunately may never be known. There isn’t even time for coroners to look what may be the commonality. I actually heard a discussion about this on CNN the other day. The physician being questioned said that the A blood types did show a higher likelihood of clotting issues with COVID. I paid attention because Ds 1 and I are both A+.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:28:38 GMT
NPR..
”South Korea reported 34 new coronavirus infections on Sunday following an outbreak tied to several nightclubs and bars in Seoul.
That's its highest daily tally since April 9.”
Another reminder it’s not going anyplace until there is a vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 17:49:50 GMT
There is a link to blood type and clotting factors, so a disease that effects clotting could make a difference. Types A, B, and AB -- every one but O -- have increased clot risk compared to O.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 18:52:04 GMT
Myth...
trump...
”We are getting great marks for the handling of the CoronaVirus pandemic, especially the very early BAN of people from China, the infectious source, entering the USA. Compare that to the Obama/Sleepy Joe disaster known as H1N1 Swine Flu. Poor marks, bad polls - didn’t have a clue!”
Reality
Walter Shaub...
”We have the highest death count anywhere in the world because Trump downplayed the threat, lied and fumbled.”
Again, while these conversations about what other countries are doing and side affects left by the virus are informative, the thread is aimed at the individuals who don’t believe this virus is serious. And it would appear the majority are trump supporters which brings us to trump and his incompetence in handling the pandemic since day 1. Which makes trump partly responsible for the high numbers in both confirmed cases and deaths from COVID-19 in the United States. When talking about trump or his actions or his supporters makes a thread political. Therefore the label “politics “ was applied. One can agree or disagree with my assessment, that is your choice.
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Post by lucyg on May 10, 2020 18:53:30 GMT
I read somewhere (no, I don’t remember where) that there is, or may be, a separate, more virulent strain out there that is causing the more deadly responses in some areas.
Don’t know if it’s really true or just a theory, but thought I’d report it here, anyway.
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Post by samantha25 on May 10, 2020 19:24:09 GMT
There's a mutation in the spike an aspartic acid to a glycine residue at position 614 that is more prevalent. The paper I read about it may have extended the conclusion that this strain is more virulent, but no functional studies were performed, but interesting that this strain is in NYC and spreading to west coast.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 10, 2020 19:26:22 GMT
Just yesterday my husband heard from a Dr friend that 50% the US death count are from nursing and long term care facilities. So I'm keeping watch to see if this ends up being a true statistic or not. They have proven that in WA at least 61% of ours are from these facilities, so I feel there could be some truth to this.
I seriously don't know who or what data to trust or believe these days since it seems they are all putting their own spin on things. But if 50% of the death count in the US turns out to be from our most vulnerable, highest risk patients (which tend to be in nursing and long term care), I feel that certainly changes things a lot.
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Post by lucyg on May 10, 2020 19:26:27 GMT
There's a mutation in the spike an aspartic acid to a glycine residue at position 614 that is more prevalent. The paper I read about it may have extended the conclusion that this strain is more virulent, but no functional studies were performed, but interesting that this strain is in NYC and spreading to west coast. Yeah. What she said.
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Post by elaine on May 10, 2020 19:33:34 GMT
Just yesterday my husband heard from a Dr friend that 50% the US death count are from nursing and long term care facilities. So I'm keeping watch to see if this ends up being a true statistic or not. They have proven that in WA at least 61% of ours are from these facilities, so I feel there could be some truth to this. I seriously don't know who or what data to trust or believe these days since it seems they are all putting their own spin on things. But if 50% of the death count in the US turns out to be from our most vulnerable, highest risk patients (which tend to be in nursing and long term care), I feel that certainly changes things a lot. Then 50% is from younger populations, which is as, if not more, troubling, because that means the virus is attacking demographic age groups differently than was initially predicted. They (the experts) have been saying since the early days of the virus that the elderly would be the age group most severely impacted. That led large numbers of people in the USA to blow off the lethality of the virus, thinking that it only killed old people, and, you know, they are expendable. That younger age groups may be equally, or at least significantly, impacted is big news.
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Post by Zee on May 10, 2020 19:40:22 GMT
Are there other known viruses that also cause this issue, even if rarely, do you know? I don’t mean this in a callous way at all, but it is going to be interesting to learn more about this particular Coronavirus and variables that lead to such varying side effects. Other viruses can cause a cascade of symptoms resulting in a "syndrome" but I don't know of any in particular that cause clotting disorders. There are viruses that attack the heart and cause heart failure. I don't know enough about it to give a definitive answer though. I wish I did!
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 10, 2020 19:50:36 GMT
If you are interested in hearing more about what doctors are learning about treating COVID, the podcast America Dissected is worth a listen. The host is a dr with many connections in hospitals who are working with COVID patients, and this past week he talked about the blood issues. There is so much we don't know about this virus. When everyone was dismissing it as an old-person disease, I was thinking that even old people matter. Then it was a disease that only afflicted those with other health issues - and I was thinking that even people with co-morbidities matter. And all along I was thinking - what happens when we find out that it can also kill young, healthy people? All of these people who have been ignoring it are going to find out too late that they should have been taking precautions! And so here we are...it can and does kill old people. It can and does kill people with other very common health issues. It can and does kill young people. And it can and does kill children after all. This is to say nothing of what sort of long-lasting effects it may have. We won't know about those for months, if not years. So telling someone "no big deal, you'll be sick for a couple of weeks and then be fine!" is very different from realizing that "you'll be sick for a couple of weeks, then get a little bitter - but you may have reduced lung function for the rest of your life. Or you may lose kidney function and need dialysis or a transplant. Or you may have a stroke and have to recover from that. But yeah, no big deal. No worse than the flu and you probably won't die!" This was a good article I read on long term effects. What we know is evolving daily and there is a lot we don't know. It is frustrating to see people say it's no worse than the flu or dismiss it because it is just killing old people. 🙄 www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms
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Post by lucyg on May 10, 2020 19:52:38 GMT
Just yesterday my husband heard from a Dr friend that 50% the US death count are from nursing and long term care facilities. So I'm keeping watch to see if this ends up being a true statistic or not. They have proven that in WA at least 61% of ours are from these facilities, so I feel there could be some truth to this. I seriously don't know who or what data to trust or believe these days since it seems they are all putting their own spin on things. But if 50% of the death count in the US turns out to be from our most vulnerable, highest risk patients (which tend to be in nursing and long term care), I feel that certainly changes things a lot. Then 50% is from younger populations, which is as, if not more, troubling, because that means the virus is attacking demographic age groups differently than was initially predicted. They (the experts) have been saying since the early days of the virus that the elderly would be the age group most severely impacted. That led large numbers of people in the USA to blow off the lethality of the virus, thinking that it only killed old people, and, you know, they are expendable. That younger age groups may be equally, or at least significantly, impacted is big news. Half of the deaths in my county are people over 65 (not necessarily from nursing homes, but I do expect a spike, since we recently discovered a nursing home with 100 infections). But yes, the other half have been people aged 18-65. I do not understand the reasoning of “its only old people,” in any case. Whether it is or it isn’t.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 10, 2020 20:02:24 GMT
Just yesterday my husband heard from a Dr friend that 50% the US death count are from nursing and long term care facilities. So I'm keeping watch to see if this ends up being a true statistic or not. They have proven that in WA at least 61% of ours are from these facilities, so I feel there could be some truth to this. I seriously don't know who or what data to trust or believe these days since it seems they are all putting their own spin on things. But if 50% of the death count in the US turns out to be from our most vulnerable, highest risk patients (which tend to be in nursing and long term care), I feel that certainly changes things a lot. Then 50% is from younger populations, which is as, if not more, troubling, because that means the virus is attacking demographic age groups differently than was initially predicted. They (the experts) have been saying since the early days of the virus that the elderly would be the age group most severely impacted. That led large numbers of people in the USA to blow off the lethality of the virus, thinking that it only killed old people, and, you know, they are expendable. That younger age groups may be equally, or at least significantly, impacted is big news. Or a good percentage of the remaining 50% are still from the higher age groups. Not everyone that is 70+ needs 24 hr care and needs to live in a nursing home or long term care facility. In fact, probably a significant amount of the 70+ group live in retirement communities like The Villages in FL or Sun City in AZ. I haven't heard a peep from places like that and it seems it should be going through there like crazy.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 10, 2020 20:13:55 GMT
Then 50% is from younger populations, which is as, if not more, troubling, because that means the virus is attacking demographic age groups differently than was initially predicted. They (the experts) have been saying since the early days of the virus that the elderly would be the age group most severely impacted. That led large numbers of people in the USA to blow off the lethality of the virus, thinking that it only killed old people, and, you know, they are expendable. That younger age groups may be equally, or at least significantly, impacted is big news. Half of the deaths in my county are people over 65 (not necessarily from nursing homes, but I do expect a spike, since we recently discovered a nursing home with 100 infections). But yes, the other half have been people aged 18-65. I do not understand the reasoning of “its only old people,” in any case. Whether it is or it isn’t. Not just your county, but at least 49% of CA deaths are from nursing home: www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-08/california-coronavirus-deaths-nearly-half-linked-to-elder-care-facilities
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 20:21:42 GMT
Washington PostAnd so it starts.. Laurie Garrett “My sources @whitehouse say 2 tactics will be used to get America open & #Trump reelected. 1.) Cast doubts on all #COVID19 death numbers & try to get Americans to disbelieve their health depts. & @cdcgov rpts. and2.) Use Exec Order powers to "create demand" for... MORE” ”US-manufactured goods by outlawing products & mandating Americans purchase replacements. Example given: Declare it illegal to drive US hwys w/a truck rig >10 yrs old, compelling truckers to "demand" new rigs. The idea is to force spending to juice the economy. MORE” ”3/ Birx is allegedly starting to cast aspersions on @cdcgov #COVID19 mortality data: “'There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,' Birx said, according to two of the people."MORE” ”4/ But evidence points in the opposite direction, meaning #COVID19 deaths are UNDER-counted, not over-counted. usatoday.com/story/news/inv… Nevertheless, #Trump backers are pushing the "over-count" narrative hard. MORE”“5/ On ^ "demand" side to boost economy, example: "#Trump issued Exec Order...prohibits acquisition or installation of electrical equip originating in countries designated 'foreign adversaries'...cld result in major disruptn to electric power & transmissn." Washington Post.. “As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal”If this is what trump is doing, it doesn’t take a stable genius to understand that his idiot supporters will buy the hype that the numbers of deaths are “over-counted” and start to think this virus is just like the flu and go about their business as normal endangering all those around them. And the other bit about forcing people to buy things they don’t need at that point just to “juice” the economy is just downright disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 20:52:47 GMT
NBC News..
”As of Sunday afternoon, the U.S. death toll was 80,032, with more 1.3 million cases recorded, according to an NBC News tally.”
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 10, 2020 21:58:29 GMT
It's interesting how varied those numbers are - in my county 80% are from nursing homes or assisted care facilities. If you look at the age break down for my state 55% are 80+, 23% are 70s, 14% are 60s 5% are 50s and 2% are 40s. I don't look at those stats and think - oh it's just old people that are affected who cares. I think as a public health crisis that disproportionately affects older Americans what steps make the most sense to protect those most at risk.
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