SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 13, 2020 16:14:57 GMT
Here in MA we are seeing the same thing. We utterly failed our elderly and veterans and disabled in group home environments. Part of the reason (in addition to shameful and criminal mismanagement)? Low paying CNA jobs that those places typically employ. Young. Teens in co-ops. We served it up on a platter to those folks. While we aren't protecting our elderly and at risk folks, at least they are doing a great job (I think) of reporting the rate of diagnosis/hospitalization/deaths in these group homes, and it clearly supports that we should have protected them better. Hopefully, going forward there have been better practices put in place. *** edited to add... I meant to say better practices put in place for states that aren't international hub/destinations with Biogen conferences that kick started densely populated portion of MA before testing was available. My hope is that states not yet in the thick of it can use what we did terribly wrong, to do it better. Biogen just absolutely screwed us in MA. And you're 1000% right, we did fail the elderly and veterans. I hope the manager of the Holyoke veteran's home is criminally persecuted.
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Post by hop2 on May 13, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
*** edited to add... I meant to say better practices put in place for states that aren't international hub/destinations with Biogen conferences that kick started densely populated portion of MA before testing was available. My hope is that states not yet in the thick of it can use what we did terribly wrong, to do it better. Biogen just absolutely screwed us in MA. And you're 1000% right, we did fail the elderly and veterans. I hope the manager of the Holyoke veteran's home is criminally persecuted. Freudian slip or typo? Either way 👍🏻
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 13, 2020 18:00:08 GMT
Biogen just absolutely screwed us in MA. And you're 1000% right, we did fail the elderly and veterans. I hope the manager of the Holyoke veteran's home is criminally persecuted. Freudian slip or typo? Either way 👍🏻 Yes it was a slip prosecuted/persecuted....he sent letters to all employees saying to report to work EVEN if sick, so employees that tested positive, went to work and veterans paid the price.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 21:41:46 GMT
May 14, 2020
Confirmed cases of COVID-19. 1,411,466 Confirmed deaths: 85,489
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 14:59:30 GMT
May 15, 2020
Number of confirmed cases : 1,431,541 Number of confirmed deaths. : 86,931
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 13:00:02 GMT
Ryan Stryuk...
”Reported US coronavirus deaths on date:
Feb. 15: 0 deaths Mar. 15: 65 deaths Apr. 15: 30,844 deaths May 15: 87,530 deaths”
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Post by elaine on May 16, 2020 13:26:36 GMT
Ryan Stryuk... ”Reported US coronavirus deaths on date: Feb. 15: 0 deaths Mar. 15: 65 deaths Apr. 15: 30,844 deaths May 15: 87,530 deaths” Note the exponential growth even with shelter in place. Now that things are opening up, be prepared for higher numbers. We had 57,000 deaths in a month between April and May, so be prepared for another 75,000 in the next month if the numbers keep the same trajectory. Remember when Trump promised us 60,000 total deaths back in April? We had nearly that number in one month. But, yeah, it’s just like the flu. Not.
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Post by pyccku on May 16, 2020 15:45:13 GMT
I saw that the new prediction is 100K by the first week of June.
That's two weeks away. At the rate we are losing people currently, that will happen by next weekend, no need to wait until June.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 16, 2020 16:41:18 GMT
Colorado has amended their death count and lowered it by 24%. coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. At least 50% of our deaths could have been prevented by keeping it out of our nursing and longer term care homes. But who knows if we will ever know the real number.
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Post by pyccku on May 16, 2020 20:51:11 GMT
Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. It will take years to determine the count. But politically, some people want the number to be lower. Some people may want it to be higher for political reasons - but I don't think there are as many of those people are there are who want it to be lower. The reality is, the death rate in many places is much higher than normal. And while it is possible that thousands of people just up and died for non-Covid reasons during a pandemic, we should really want to get to the bottom of this - if they aren't dying of Covid, what ARE they dying of? If there is some other reason for NYC to have 12K+ excess deaths over average, isn't anyone the slightest bit curious as to why? Let's say it's not covid - so, what is it? Car crashes? Drug overdoses? Sudden heart attacks? Falling out of windows?
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 16, 2020 20:56:36 GMT
Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. It will take years to determine the count. But politically, some people want the number to be lower. Some people may want it to be higher for political reasons - but I don't think there are as many of those people are there are who want it to be lower. The reality is, the death rate in many places is much higher than normal. And while it is possible that thousands of people just up and died for non-Covid reasons during a pandemic, we should really want to get to the bottom of this - if they aren't dying of Covid, what ARE they dying of? If there is some other reason for NYC to have 12K+ excess deaths over average, isn't anyone the slightest bit curious as to why? Let's say it's not covid - so, what is it? Car crashes? Drug overdoses? Sudden heart attacks? Falling out of windows? Some portion are people who needed medical help, but were too scared to go to the hospital. My neighbor is an ER doc and the number of all other cases are significantly lower than usual. People aren't magically not having other medical issues right now either.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 16, 2020 21:22:40 GMT
People make it seem like "keeping it out of nursing homes" is separate from keeping the virus out of the community in general. It doesn't seem to be as easy as people think it is. My grandma is in an assisted living facility in IA. They have been very strict since the beginning of March. Staff in full PPE, including goggles, at all times when with residents. Residents can no longer interact with each other. Last week there had only been 4 cases in their county, and reportedly two of them came from out of state to check on a packing plant that is not open yet. However, last weekend a kitchen worker who had been at work on Friday tested positive for Covid-19. So, unless they are going to require the staff to live in the nursing home and not leave, it is very difficult to keep the virus out.
IMO, places like nursing homes and packing plants are good examples of how the virus spreads easily. Trying to minimize the impact of the virus by taking out the number of cases in nursing homes is some mental gymnastics right there. What do you think is going to happen when more workplaces and businesses are open?
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Post by dewryce on May 16, 2020 21:55:30 GMT
For the deaths occurring because people are afraid to go to hospitals, while COVID19 shouldn’t count as the official cause of death many of them are most assuredly due to the piss poor way it has been handled. If it wasn’t as widespread, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If hospitals had proper PPE it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If we weren’t seeing bodies mass buried, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If we hadn’t run out of body bags, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. Had this been handled well people would have more confidence in the government having a handle on it and would be more likely to go to their nearest medical facilities. But we aren’t getting (true) confidence. We aren’t getting a streamlined response. We aren’t even getting the truth. We are being gaslighted and lied to. Of course people are scared to go to the hospital.
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Post by elaine on May 16, 2020 22:44:54 GMT
Colorado has amended their death count and lowered it by 24%. coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. At least 50% of our deaths could have been prevented by keeping it out of our nursing and longer term care homes. But who knows if we will ever know the real number. Actually, if you read the article, they are taking issue with the fact that the cause of death on the death certificate isn’t COVID in 25% of the cases. This would include someone who had COVID and technically died of a stroke which is what was put on the death certificate. The stroke however was probably caused by the well-known clotting issues with COVID. The person would not have died of a stroke if they didn’t have COVID, so to then insist that that reported COVID death be removed from the tally leads to misrepresentation of the actual numbers. The same with people who are dying from cardiac arrest due to COVID complications, but the actual cause on the death certificate is cardiac arrest. Those people wouldn’t have died of cardiac issues if it weren’t for having COVID. It would be inaccurate to remove them from the tally. It is not at all as simple as you are trying to make it seem. It seems to have much more with the wording on death certificates than actually examining the cases and the relationship of COVID to the cause of death.
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Post by lucyg on May 16, 2020 23:28:46 GMT
I saw that the new prediction is 100K by the first week of June. That's two weeks away. At the rate we are losing people currently, that will happen by next weekend, no need to wait until June. I Liked your post, not because I actually like it, but because I agree. Also, I would side with those who feel any excess death count this spring over last year at the same time (after factoring in population increase, aging, etc.) should be attributed one way or the other to COVID.
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Post by pyccku on May 16, 2020 23:37:13 GMT
For the deaths occurring because people are afraid to go to hospitals, while COVID19 shouldn’t count as the official cause of death many of them are most assuredly due to the piss poor way it has been handled. If it wasn’t as widespread, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If hospitals had proper PPE it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If we weren’t seeing bodies mass buried, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. If we hadn’t run out of body bags, it wouldn’t be as much of a concern. Had this been handled well people would have more confidence in the government having a handle on it and would be more likely to go to their nearest medical facilities. But we aren’t getting (true) confidence. We aren’t getting a streamlined response. We aren’t even getting the truth. We are being gaslighted and lied to. Of course people are scared to go to the hospital. I keep coming back to the article I read a few weeks ago about the 1918 flu pandemic (the article itself is from 2017, so not about COVID at all!). It was the same lesson, over and over: tell the truth. If the people don't trusts that their leaders are telling the truth, you are asking for a disaster. If you're going to ask people to stay home, explain why and don't sugarcoat it - or try to scare them by increasing the numbers. If you're going to say that it's safe to come out, show the data that makes your position to be a reasonable one. If things are getting out of hand or worse instead of better, tell the truth - it's better than lying because the truth eventually comes out and it's always worse when you've tried to cover it up. Our biggest issue is that Trump has never been held accountable for lying. So it's the go-to defense when asked about anything. Except this time he can't really run away - the virus doesn't care if he tells the truth or not. In case you're interested in reading the original article, it's here.
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Post by hop2 on May 17, 2020 2:29:20 GMT
Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. It will take years to determine the count. But politically, some people want the number to be lower. Some people may want it to be higher for political reasons - but I don't think there are as many of those people are there are who want it to be lower. The reality is, the death rate in many places is much higher than normal. And while it is possible that thousands of people just up and died for non-Covid reasons during a pandemic, we should really want to get to the bottom of this - if they aren't dying of Covid, what ARE they dying of? If there is some other reason for NYC to have 12K+ excess deaths over average, isn't anyone the slightest bit curious as to why? Let's say it's not covid - so, what is it? Car crashes? Drug overdoses? Sudden heart attacks? Falling out of windows? I saw someone who said the “they” are listing pneumonia deaths as Covid. She said something like “if someone dies of pneumonia and tested positive for covid the death is written as covid” 🙄 Um yeah because covid can cause pneumonia. Click click unfriend...
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Post by hop2 on May 17, 2020 2:36:55 GMT
Colorado has amended their death count and lowered it by 24%. coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/Once again, if this holds true for most states, it's really going to change the counts. Between 50% possibly being from just nursing and long term care homes (not community spread), then possibly 24% of the remaining 50% are actually not due to Covid, really lowers the count of actual COVID deaths. At least 50% of our deaths could have been prevented by keeping it out of our nursing and longer term care homes. But who knows if we will ever know the real number. Actually, if you read the article, they are taking issue with the fact that the cause of death on the death certificate isn’t COVID in 25% of the cases. This would include someone who had COVID and technically died of a stroke which is what was put on the death certificate. The stroke however was probably caused by the well-known clotting issues with COVID. The person would not have died of a stroke if they didn’t have COVID, so to then insist that that reported COVID death be removed from the tally leads to misrepresentation of the actual numbers. The same with people who are dying from cardiac arrest due to COVID complications, but the actual cause on the death certificate is cardiac arrest. Those people wouldn’t have died of cardiac issues if it weren’t for having COVID. It would be inaccurate to remove them from the tally. It is not at all as simple as you are trying to make it seem. It seems to have much more with the wording on death certificates than actually examining the cases and the relationship of COVID to the cause of death. There were ways write things like that on a death certificate when my father died. My father died in PA if that makes a difference. The cause of death was sepsis and then it listed the cancer that the sepsis was a complication of as a ‘contributing factor’ Or secondary cause.( it’s been a long time I don’t remember ) the exact words but it did ID both the direct cause and then why that happened
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 16:58:09 GMT
May 17, 2020
Confirmed cases of COVID-19: 1,471,671 Confirmed deaths: 88,836
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Post by freecharlie on May 17, 2020 18:08:32 GMT
*** edited to add... I meant to say better practices put in place for states that aren't international hub/destinations with Biogen conferences that kick started densely populated portion of MA before testing was available. My hope is that states not yet in the thick of it can use what we did terribly wrong, to do it better. Biogen just absolutely screwed us in MA. And you're 1000% right, we did fail the elderly and veterans. I hope the manager of the Holyoke veteran's home is criminally persecuted. I read Biogen as Biden and I was trying to figure out how he factored into MA.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 16:19:19 GMT
May 19, 2020
Number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the US: 1,524,360 Number of confirmed deaths: 91,383
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 17:07:03 GMT
Actually, if you read the article, they are taking issue with the fact that the cause of death on the death certificate isn’t COVID in 25% of the cases. This would include someone who had COVID and technically died of a stroke which is what was put on the death certificate. The stroke however was probably caused by the well-known clotting issues with COVID. The person would not have died of a stroke if they didn’t have COVID, so to then insist that that reported COVID death be removed from the tally leads to misrepresentation of the actual numbers. The same with people who are dying from cardiac arrest due to COVID complications, but the actual cause on the death certificate is cardiac arrest. Those people wouldn’t have died of cardiac issues if it weren’t for having COVID. It would be inaccurate to remove them from the tally. It is not at all as simple as you are trying to make it seem. It seems to have much more with the wording on death certificates than actually examining the cases and the relationship of COVID to the cause of death. There were ways write things like that on a death certificate when my father died. My father died in PA if that makes a difference. The cause of death was sepsis and then it listed the cancer that the sepsis was a complication of as a ‘contributing factor’ Or secondary cause.( it’s been a long time I don’t remember ) the exact words but it did ID both the direct cause and then why that happened As a Sidenote, I'm so sorry about your father. DH has cancer and has been in the ICU three times in the past 2 years with sepsis. Maybe we caught it at the beginning, but I recently heard that once you've had sepsis, there is longterm damage that can't be reversed. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 14:14:46 GMT
May 20, 2020
Number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the US: 1,543,493 Number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19: 92,788
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Post by LeaP on May 20, 2020 14:34:29 GMT
I'm really upset by the sidelining of the CDC in this epidemic. We need proper testing so different areas can reopen safely. If you have an outbreak and everybody is running around without masks then it is just going to spread and kill more people. The virus doesn't care if officials fiddle with the numbers for political or economic reasons. If too many people get sick at once hospitals are overrun and can't care for those in need.
Here in Los Angeles, we have been sheltering in place. My youngest daughter ended up in ER during the peak of it. I am enormously grateful to all of my fellow citizens who sheltered in place and flattened the curve so she could get care when she needed it. Please wear your masks and make every effort to stop the virus from spreading.
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Post by rahnee on May 20, 2020 22:36:55 GMT
Our news today in Australia - all (US) states easing lockdown restrictions despite 17 states recording an upward trend in average daily cases of at least 10% over the last 7 days. To me this should mean restrictions should be tightened, not lifted.
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Post by dewryce on May 20, 2020 23:40:14 GMT
Our news today in Australia - all (US) states easing lockdown restrictions despite 17 states recording an upward trend in average daily cases of at least 10% over the last 7 days. To me this should mean restrictions should be tightened, not lifted. To you, to me, to experts, even part of the initial recommendations from the WH.
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Post by sassyangel on May 21, 2020 1:31:45 GMT
Our news today in Australia - all (US) states easing lockdown restrictions despite 17 states recording an upward trend in average daily cases of at least 10% over the last 7 days. To me this should mean restrictions should be tightened, not lifted. Did that shock you? If you’ve seen the general reaction to some of the responses in here? It was a patchwork effort the last 8 weeks here, unfortunately. 🥺 I’ve ranted about this so much to my family, I’m pretty sure my family is no longer shocked or surprised when they hear stuff like this out of the US there now. 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 16:30:56 GMT
May 21, 2020
Confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the US: 1,555,537 Confirmed deaths from COVID-19 in the US: 93,558
Kyle Griffin..
”Inbox: Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have sent a letter to Trump requesting his administration prepare to fly flags at half staff on all public buildings in the country on the day America's COVID-19 death toll reaches 100,000 lives.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 21, 2020 17:09:49 GMT
Kyle Griffin.. ”Inbox: Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have sent a letter to Trump requesting his administration prepare to fly flags at half staff on all public buildings in the country on the day America's COVID-19 death toll reaches 100,000 lives.” this is a lovely idea... and because it comes from 'the Dems' I don't think Trump will agree to do it.
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