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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:57:04 GMT
To be fair, we've pretty much been isolated to begin with (limited funds, so we don't really go out; no friends or family.......). Since February we've remained EXTREMELY careful and isolated, especially DH. The only places we go to are to doctors' appointments! Even then, his cardiologist's office is the danger zone, imo. Where we are in FL, some offices have absolutely no protocol other than insisting on mask-wearing. This cardiolgist's office is always jam-packed. Hard to socially distance. I always sign DH in, leave him in the car, and tell them what our car is and where we are and they come get him when they're ready. From what I could tell, it seems like nothing is specially sanitized and no extra precautions are taken!!!!!!!!!! DH had to actually ask a guy (fully dressed in Trump gear!) to give him some space, as this idiot was crowding him and trying to strike up a conversation!!! Ughhhhhhhh!
I do have to go to grocery stores sometimes since we use an EBT card. It's impossible to get it delivered. Pick-up is possible with some planning via WalMart........ Anywhere I go, I'm always very careful, and people down here look at us like we're from another planet! No one here in our complex wears masks outside. No one distances. Everyone behaves like they always have! They think that this is pretty much "behind us". Incredible. I'm sure they think we're just being very careful because DH was going through chemo and then major surgery.
I don't trust ANYONE down here and we carry on as though everyone is Covid-positive! So, you're not alone!!!!!!! Screw anyone who makes you feel like your views aren't being valued! Continue staying safe and do what you think is right! I'd especially stay away from these people who are gathering for no reason at all, and possibly spreading the virus.
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scrappington
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Post by scrappington on Sept 24, 2020 22:51:16 GMT
I don't judge people who choose not to socialize or go places. That's your decision. When I have been involved in suggesting a meet or what have you I ask what the person's level of comfort is. And some have said no. And thats ok.
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AllieC
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Post by AllieC on Sept 24, 2020 23:22:02 GMT
You are doing the right thing and I can totally understand your vent. I find it unfathomable that there aren't more restrictions in the US when there has been no significant flattening of the curve and cases are going up and not down. This is going to go on for a very very long time if people and the government have such a lax attitude.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 24, 2020 23:32:11 GMT
So, this Living in Fear thing. Why has it been weaponized?
Of course I’m living in fear. Fear for me-and-mine; fear for us all. If somebody “accused” me of fear, I would enthusiastically agree.
Would people be criticized for fearing other chronic/worsening circumstances like war or terrorism or unrest?natural disaster? environmental disaster?
OP, I live similar to you, with a tad more outdoor socializing. And when I do court possible transmission risk - either because of necessity or my own reasonable choice gone wrong (read: others’ dingaling choices), I dial it back for a bit for the protection of others.
And I remain afraid. And I keep informed and I believe the experts and I observe... ...which is why I’m afraid.
tl;dr: Duh.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 25, 2020 0:01:12 GMT
I get a lot of incredulous "you're still working from home?" or "you're still not going anywhere?" comments. My absence is noted from monthly in-person trade group meetings (limited to ONLY 100 people). This is insane. We're not allowed to go back to work here, even if we wanted to. The company I work for (which is an American company BTW) sent us home way back in March and has not allowed us to return to the office. And now that we are in stage 4 lockdown, the government has said we can't go into work either. I am stunned that in a country that has had over 200,000 deaths, there are people who are questioning and perhaps mocking your decision to stay home.
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Post by MsChiff on Sept 25, 2020 0:55:19 GMT
I recently had a friend tell me, "I'm going to live my life." I responded, "I'm living my life, too, and quite enjoying the way I'm living. I feel that by carefully considering what I do and who I spend time with, I'm enjoying my experiences much more than I did previously. And I'm saving a lot of money I previously spent on things that I now realize didn't mean much to me."
Don't let others make you feel guilty for living your life as you choose. They are merely trying to assuage their own guilt.
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Post by chaosisapony on Sept 25, 2020 1:03:21 GMT
You're not crazy and you're making the decision that you think is best. Unfortunately, that does mean you're outside of the norm of the social behavior of most people at this point. Weddings are picking back up here, almost all people are back to work in their workplace (many people do not have the option to choose to work from home) unless they are in the restaurant industry, people are flocking to the pumpkin patch. All while numbers stay the same or continue to rise.
People at least are getting better with wearing their masks and feel like if their masks are on they should be able to proceed with normal activities. I'm not sure if that's right or wrong, I think everyone just has to make their own choices.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 25, 2020 1:03:57 GMT
You don’t owe anyone an explanation. I’m really glad that some of these bon vivants never had to ration food or gas. They would lose their minds.
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theshyone
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Post by theshyone on Sept 25, 2020 11:07:53 GMT
I live in area where the economy, the recession, is mandating everything regardless of wiseness, recommendations. Both my daughter and I have heart issues putting us at high risk. We have taken it seriously. My husband works out of house daily but with limited contacts during day. We take all precautions we can. People around us are ignorant and rude. Customer yelling at Walmart greeter for telling them masks are required. My very first time to our one city mall, yesterday, I had rudeness directed at me for wearing mask.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 25, 2020 12:14:57 GMT
People should do what they are comfortable with and allow others to what’s comfortable to them. I spent the summer doing IVF and am pregnant now so basically never leave the house and will be taking extra precautions as we go into winter. However, for my mental health I have dined outdoors and saw two girlfriends at the beach recently. Masks and social distancing used. If and when I do see people other than doctor appointments, it’s outside and I don’t do anything else for ten - fourteen days just in Case the person I saw was sick and I got it. For instance, a cycling friend stopped by two months ago and we sat in my driveway and chatted for an hour. All of this I do and yet, my police officer fiancé is and has been working through all of this and is regularly exposed to people with COVID including the frequent protests with large groups of people with and without masks. Sooo... :shrug: part of me is admittedly skeptical (I’m not sure what since I believe it’s real) but I do my part as a member of society; if he gets it and passes it to me I don’t want to pass it to others AND I don’t want to get it while pregnant. Congratulations! I hope you have a completely safe and non-eventful pregnancy.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 25, 2020 12:17:05 GMT
I live in area where the economy, the recession, is mandating everything regardless of wiseness, recommendations. Both my daughter and I have heart issues putting us at high risk. We have taken it seriously. My husband works out of house daily but with limited contacts during day. We take all precautions we can. People around us are ignorant and rude. Customer yelling at Walmart greeter for telling them masks are required. My very first time to our one city mall, yesterday, I had rudeness directed at me for wearing mask. I am sorry. That is so wrong!
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Post by gar on Sept 25, 2020 13:00:22 GMT
I get a lot of incredulous "you're still working from home?" or "you're still not going anywhere?" comments. My absence is noted from monthly in-person trade group meetings (limited to ONLY 100 people). This is insane. We're not allowed to go back to work here, even if we wanted to. The company I work for (which is an American company BTW) sent us home way back in March and has not allowed us to return to the office. And now that we are in stage 4 lockdown, the government has said we can't go into work either. I am stunned that in a country that has had over 200,000 deaths, there are people who are questioning and perhaps mocking your decision to stay home. Totally agree. Here in England, having briefly said it was time for people to start going back to their offices/places of work, we're now being told to work from home if we can again as numbers are rising sharply
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msladibug
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Post by msladibug on Sept 25, 2020 13:27:11 GMT
the funny thing with me is that I'm really not a social butterfly, so I don't do a lot of group type things, so for the most part I'm living my life the way that I normally do. the only thing different is the more frequent disinfecting of commonly touched areas, hand washing and the masks. I have people say "you're still socially distancing?" I say, "no, I'm not STILL social distancing, I've ALWAYS social distanced." So friend, you're not alone. And I think that we make others feel some kind of way not because we are, but because they're not. So keep your head held high and keep doing you.
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Post by tuva42 on Sept 25, 2020 14:26:53 GMT
I completely respect your choice to stay home. Everyone has to make their own decision about what they feel safe with. Stand your ground!
That being said, if everyone made the same choice businesses by the thousands would be shutting their doors. I am a small business owner and while I'm not in an area with severe outbreaks, it is unlikely that my little bricks and mortar business will survive. I think we have to strike a balance between staying safe and keeping the economy alive. People with co-morbidities need to stay safe at home and we need to keep them safe, but those of us who aren't high risk need to get out some, with masks, hand washing, and keeping socially distant. It's a difficult balancing act and I don't think any of us have the perfect answer.
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Post by jubejubes on Sept 25, 2020 14:52:06 GMT
I completely respect your choice to stay home. Everyone has to make their own decision about what they feel safe with. Stand your ground! That being said, if everyone made the same choice businesses by the thousands would be shutting their doors. I am a small business owner and while I'm not in an area with severe outbreaks, it is unlikely that my little bricks and mortar business will survive. I have enjoyed reading stories about the different things that your business has done. I remember when you were seeking opinions about stuff prior to opening your craft store. I really hope that you can maintain your business during this difficult time.
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 25, 2020 14:52:53 GMT
I have friends and family who are being much more careful than I am. I also have friends and family who are being much less careful than I am. Everyone has their own reasons for making the choices they do. This is one of the few times in my life when I could care less about how other people feel about my choices (other than my immediate family members, of course). My husband and I have educated ourselves as much as possible about the virus. We actually had the virus way back in late February/early March. We are on the same page about what activities we feel comfortable doing and what activities we don't feel comfortable doing. I really don't care how other people feel about my choices.
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Post by volunteergirl on Sept 25, 2020 16:08:45 GMT
There was a big football game scheduled for tonight. Yesterday, it was reported that one of the players on the favored team tested positive. The school said it had no intention of cancelling the game; it had quarantined who it needed to and contact traced everyone. But today the opposing team cancelled. Instead of praise for being responsible, they are getting comments about being scared, not wanting to play, etc. It is so sad.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 25, 2020 16:15:12 GMT
I am stunned that in a country that has had over 200,000 deaths, there are people who are questioning and perhaps mocking your decision to stay home. so are we, AussieMeg ... so are we.
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Post by shessoaverage on Sept 25, 2020 17:14:36 GMT
We stay home, except for grocery shopping with masks on. I went to JoAnn a few weeks ago, masked. Everyone else there was masked, too, so it felt okay. We’ve done takeout a few times, but there’s no way I’d sit down inside a restaurant. I belong to a writer’s critique group that hasn’t met since March, but we are supposed to meet again in October. I’m nervous about going, but there are never more than ten people in normal times and I have a feeling only about five will be there now. We’ll be masked and socially distanced, but still... If they could figure out why some people are barely affected and some die, I’d feel better about going out. (Unless I was in the “die” group, and then I’d keep myself home.)
Re: the family upthread who said, “Oh well, Grandpa...” it makes me want to puke. If someone in my family gave a disease to a grandparent and then shrugged it off as tough luck, I don’t even know what I’d do. I do know that if I had a pack of careless-ass children and grandchildren, I’d be changing my will so fast it would make their heads spin.
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Post by lbp on Sept 25, 2020 17:49:00 GMT
I have been going to work every day so, no I am not sheltering at home. I guess that is why I am still going the places that I always did with the exception of indoor events such as weddings, parties, etc. I always wear my mask and try to keep a distance between me and other people. I have been into a restaurant and was surprisingly delighted to see that they were doing very good with keeping people apart. I have gone to Sam's, the mall (during the work day so not many people there), I even attended an outside auction, which I really didn't feel comfortable with, but it turned out fine. I have had some random stranger telling me I was a "sheep" for wearing a mask and I responded that I would rather be a sheep than a dick" he didn't like that retort and then called me a bitch. I couldn't care less.
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Post by paulao on Sept 25, 2020 18:04:07 GMT
I'm single and live alone. I work in a hospital although non-clinical. I'm back to work at least 3 days a week and working from home 1-2 days. I have a very small group of friends and don't go out much. I have visited a few friends but we stay outside 6 feet away. I don't dine in restaurants. I have no problem going into grocery stores. I have a horse and spend a lot of time at the boarding barn which is essentially out of doors. People in my area are very good about wearing masks. The other place I go is the public library. Sadly, I had to go to the DMV earlier this week to renew my license. Online renewal was not an option. Everyone was wearing a mask and stayed 6 feet apart but that's the closest I've been to strangers in months. Plus it is the middle of a ghetto and I swear there was a drug deal going down.
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Post by MalleyCat on Sept 26, 2020 22:21:19 GMT
Nah, your fine! Better safe than sorry and it doesn’t sound like you go out much anyway. I am a total homebody and prefer to stay home, even though I don’t consider myself to be an introvert. I have only put gas in my car twice since this started. Yesterday was first time I dined inside a restaurant. We went early and hardly anyone was there yet.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 26, 2020 22:30:22 GMT
I think everyone has to do what makes them comfortable. Undoubtedly our choices have consequences and our relationships with friends and family are not going to be the same after this is all over. We are all judging each other for our choices.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2020 22:35:55 GMT
You are not alone! I am still at home & no computer.
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Sept 27, 2020 5:54:44 GMT
I am in agreement with you. Most of my friends (even the ones who initially were pretty cautious) seem to be lessening their own restrictions and guidelines about their activities. One friend had a birthday yesterday and had asked if we could get together (me, DH, her and her DH) -- I said we could maybe meet outdoors, have a picnic outside. She said she was fine going somewhere (indoors) to eat as they had recently been several times to indoor dining and "it was fine". I said "well it isn't fine for us, we are continuing to stay home but are willing to see you at a distance outdoors". We ended up just not doing anything. I know that people think I am being scared or silly but I am not willing to take a chance. I feel very strongly that this is a small price to pay to try to keep myself and my family safe.
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Post by supersoda on Sept 27, 2020 13:23:11 GMT
Sorry for the post-and-run. I actually ended up in the ER Thursday afternoon. I was calmly working at my desk and my Apple watch warned me that my heart rate was too high--no other symptoms. It turned out I was tachycardic and my blood pressure was through the roof. ER docs didn't find an immediate explanation, but I've got meds and a cardiologist appointment this week.
Thanks to all for sharing your own experience. There were some helpful takeaways--like the snark I'm getting is likely coming from a defensive position.
@bergdorfblonde I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with this on top of everything else you have been going through.
I'm also very cognizant of our privilege. We have said over and over how lucky we are to be in the professional fields we're in and the financial situation that we're in right now. There have been many points in our lives where this situation would have been far more devastating, and we would not have had the luxury of working from home. I guess the flip side is because I'm a business owner, I can keep my staff safe and working from home--my partners would have had everyone back in the office months ago but for my resistance.
One of our biggest concerns is the long-term effects, which doesn't really seem to be on others' radar. There seems to be a vascular component to this disease and we just don't know if there will be long-term effects to the heart or lungs. One of my twins was born with a minor heart defect and they both have a history of murmurs and asthma, so this is a big deal for us.
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MerryMom
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Post by MerryMom on Sept 28, 2020 2:48:32 GMT
“It works for me right now” is all that is needed then walk away. Lather, rinse, repeat the above.^^^^^^^^
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 28, 2020 3:50:44 GMT
I’m a teacher doing distance learning from my classroom. My Dh is home with my kids who attend my school but are also distance learning. I go to school, Costco gas, Costco groceries and home,. Dh is home. As a family we go to the lake near our home but we go no where really.
My neighbor teacher does “family night” with “friends who are like family so we don’t wear masks”, her dd does tennis lessons no mask, she went to a protest in SF for churches last weekend, went to the gym for an exercise class and did not mask up, when I was attending a board meeting on zoom last week and chatting with my grade level team about it, she asked what we were chatting about because she was at a birthday party. The next day, I had to tell her we couldn’t be in the same room hanging out eating lunch and socializing unmasked. Her choices are too risky for me. If I’m not in my classroom, my mask is on. If someone comes into my room, my mask goes on. She doesn’t get it and said, “I need to live my life, it’s not that deadly, more like the flu”. I reminded her that I am asthmatic and “just the flu” could kill me in a normal year so I’m not taking any chances. It sucks because we’re good friends and we have a great grade level team but she’s not being careful enough for the rest of us. One of my team mates doesn’t even come out of her room! She shows up, goes in her room, leaves to go to the restroom and straight back until the end of the day and she goes home. Her wife works at a hospital and she doesn’t want to chance giving us anything, I can respect that. Another team mate is the same as me...work, home, grocery. We tend to spend time in the same room WAY spaced out chatting or outside spread apart.
Kids are coming back on campus in 2 weeks and I’m kinda freaked out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 4:12:29 GMT
My in laws, lets just say, are not being as cautious as we are. I'm over being made to feel like an overly cautious paranoid person. I just say straight out, we aren't coming and leave it at that. I used to get mad about how they made me feel, but not now. I don't make their health decisions and they don't mine.
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Post by tuva42 on Oct 1, 2020 14:56:04 GMT
I completely respect your choice to stay home. Everyone has to make their own decision about what they feel safe with. Stand your ground! That being said, if everyone made the same choice businesses by the thousands would be shutting their doors. I am a small business owner and while I'm not in an area with severe outbreaks, it is unlikely that my little bricks and mortar business will survive. I have enjoyed reading stories about the different things that your business has done. I remember when you were seeking opinions about stuff prior to opening your craft store. I really hope that you can maintain your business during this difficult time. Thanks so much for your kind words. We are hanging in there now, with a little help from a local government grant. But unless we have huge sales over the holidays, the beginning of 2021 is going to be really bad for us. Our lease runs through Sept. 2021 so we have to stay open by then, and if a vaccine does become available, we may be able to recoup some of our losses through summer camps. Still, I expect we'll close our doors for good next September.
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