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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 11:33:13 GMT
They don’t seem to grasp that if one is doing “personal” works, one doesn’t bring a photographer. Sad. And ugh rolled into one. EXACTLY!!!!! If one has to document or herald their "random act of kindness", it is no longer random!
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Post by peasapie on Nov 9, 2020 11:45:04 GMT
His military service was very important to him. I actually don’t understand why they couldn’t lay a wreath for him in recognition of all those he served with. It seems like they are trying to punish him. So he did it his way and yes-publicized it because he wants the world to know he still cares about that aspect of his life. He is a caring person who wants to forge his own path. I don’t get the hateful responses on that link.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 12:28:11 GMT
And seeing as they are living in America, and Meghan has been banging on about racial issues and voting, and herself voted in this election, you'd think a better image for her would have been to acknowledge the significance of VP Harris' election. Or wait until Veterans Day on Nov 11 instead of whichever is convenient Sunday. Guess they’re busy on Wed? It wasn't just a convenient Sunday. The official Remembrance Day service here is held on the Sunday nearest to November 11th. We do have a national two minutes silence on the actual day but the official one was yesterday. Being British and also a vet of the British military it was understandable to use that day for honouring the British and Commonwealth War dead.
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Post by lisaknits on Nov 9, 2020 12:33:04 GMT
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 9, 2020 12:45:51 GMT
LOL. I’m that person in the emoji sitting next to you munching. Chose this thread as an election distraction simply because of curiosity over “cosplay” (I’ve worked as a costumer), but now I’m staying as one of the 328,000,000 Americans who can’t properly evaluate negative opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 12:57:35 GMT
His military service was very important to him. I actually don’t understand why they couldn’t lay a wreath for him in recognition of all those he served with. It seems like they are trying to punish him. So he did it his way and yes-publicized it because he wants the world to know he still cares about that aspect of his life. He is a caring person who wants to forge his own path. I don’t get the hateful responses on that link. No one has confirmed this actually happened though. It's only a report that was initially from The Times. If it's true I can sort of understand it. The wreaths that are usually placed at the cenotaph on the official remembrance Sunday are actually on behalf of.... the Nation by the Queen, ( Prince Charles does it on her behalf now) The Prime Minister, leaders of other political parties, Veteran Organizations, and Heads of Commonwealth countries and on behalf of the various units of the Military by the other members of the Royals. There were not so many of these there this year because of Covid. In addition to the ones mentioned, some members of the RF carry military titles, some are honorary, representative of different Units that they lay wreaths on behalf of. But Prince Harry relinquished his titles when he detached himself from being a working royal. He's still Royal by birth but in all other aspects he is a private citizens, in that respect he wouldn't be included in the wreath laying official ceremony. I have no problem with him doing what he did on Sunday on a personal level. The problem comes from the media making a big song and dance about it all. It's pretty difficult to trace where those photos came from to be honest. They could have been uninvited paparazzi for all we know.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 13:07:46 GMT
The problem comes from the media making a big song and dance about it all. It's pretty difficult to trace where those photos came from to be honest. They could have been uninvited paparazzi for all we know. No, there is nothing unclear or difficult to trace about it, it literally says... LINKThey hired the photographer then they released the 7 photos themselves. No paparazzi were involved
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Post by hop2 on Nov 9, 2020 13:12:08 GMT
And seeing as they are living in America, and Meghan has been banging on about racial issues and voting, and herself voted in this election, you'd think a better image for her would have been to acknowledge the significance of VP Harris' election. Or wait until Veterans Day on Nov 11 instead of whichever is convenient Sunday. Guess they’re busy on Wed? Well if they did truly close down the cemetery than it would have been very insensitive to close it down this Wednesday. Yes, I know Veterans Day is to celebrate veterans and Memorial Day is for remembering those we lost but if you’ve lost YOUR veteran then you might want to visit their grave. Just sayin. Whatever they do they’ll catch grief. BUT I do agree if they wanted privacy then a state public photo shoot isn’t exactly privacy ...
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 13:25:07 GMT
and let's not forgot that just 12 months ago Harry's exact words (it's on video) are:
and yet even though "every single time" he hears or sees a camera he goes "straight back" [to his mother's death] but it seems he can wander around calmly and have dozens of photos taken when he wants to. They released 7, but I'm sure any professional photographer takes way more than that. Is it every single time?...or not? Or does the cha-ching of a cash register mute the pain?
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 9, 2020 13:49:42 GMT
Chose this thread as an election distraction simply because of curiosity over “cosplay” So I wasn't the only one who opened this thread thinking they were dressed up in cosplay japanese animee or star trek costumes and that's why it was offensive?
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 13:59:30 GMT
So I wasn't the only one who opened this thread thinking they were dressed up in cosplay Cosplay is " a portmanteau of the words costume play, is a performance art in which participants called cosplayers wear costumes and fashion accessories to represent a specific character" It's a joke - that they are playing at and dressing up as "working royals"
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 9, 2020 14:26:10 GMT
I think Harry is in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" position. If he lets Remembrance Day pass w/out doing anything to mark the day, then it looks like all his work w/ wounded veterans was just for show. If he does do something to mark the occasion, then it looks like a publicity stunt.
Unfortunately, I think Harry has himself to blame for getting himself into this awkward position. I think if he had been a little more patient and given his family more time to work out the details of his departure, they probably could have come up w/ a plan whereby he would be given a limited public role to play on certain occasions such as Remembrance Day, if he so desired.
By all accounts it seems he served his nation honorably when he was in active duty in the military. He did really wonderful things for wounded veterans after he was no longer in the military. It's too bad he didn't leave his family on better terms.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 14:48:34 GMT
There was a very nice article in Town and Country regarding Prince Harry and what it means to him this first year as a non-working royal. Nicely done and appropriately respectful to the day and why his service and former military appointments mean so much to him. www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a34607529/prince-harry-first-remembrance-sunday-since-he-left-royal-life/But then, as they are wont to do, it ends up being all about them and not the event that should be highlighted. A picture of the beautiful flowers they put on the the headstones would have been lovely (for an example see Princess Eugenie’s post for Remembrance Day).
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Post by peppermintpatty on Nov 9, 2020 15:00:56 GMT
I'm sorry but I don't see the outrage. Harry is British and should be allowed to show respect to whatever British or American tradition he wants. Meghan is American, she should be allowed to show respect to whatever British or American tradition she wants. They aren't digging up graves! Have you ever been to a cemetery? Even with walkways, you still have to walk between other graves. Did it ever occur to you that while he lives here, he still wants to be a part of the British culture and show respect? If he didn't do this then the Brits would be all over him. He can't win. I respect him and I respect her. I respect that they had to leave England. So what if someone took photographs? I don't see the outrage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 15:45:01 GMT
Ahh, perfect explanation of your use of the word cosplay pjaye. I was wondering about the costume connection.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 16:24:54 GMT
Ahh, perfect explanation of your use of the word cosplay pjaye. Not such a good joke though if I have to provide a definitional and an explanation before anyone gets it!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 16:35:10 GMT
pjaye I saw that term used on Reddit discussing their photo shoot and I thought, “yup!”
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 9, 2020 16:51:45 GMT
Your default mode is to find outrage with everything these two do. Why can't Americans seem to understand that having a negative opinion about something or someone is not the same thing as being "outraged," nor is disagreeing about something "offensive" Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of that word, because you don't seem to understand what it means. I'm not hiding the fact that I don't like him at all and I think they are both tacky and make poor choices, but again, that's an opinion, not a favourable one, but just an opinion. If I start a thread, I'm upfront about my opinions on whatever topic I'm posting about, I'm not going to post some passive aggressive bullshit and pretend I'm just posting an photo innocently and hide what I'm really thinking. I know others here do that...but it's not my style. Do you never have discussions where you don't like someone or something...are you always "outraged" about it? I'm guessing that must be your default if that's how you read things. Maybe dial down the voice in your head a bit OK? Now, if we're talking about Trump and the damage he's done and what he says and what he stands for and the people who voted for him, THEN I'm 100% "outraged" That sort of sounds like outrage to me... I don't understand why you would care enough to start this thread... I hadn't seen or heard about this.. but it would not have been a blip on my radar. Are they seeking attention.. probably, but maybe Harry just misses some of the things he can no longer do.. and they are trying to create new traditions. At the end of they day.. are they hurting anyone? Nope? Move on!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Nov 9, 2020 17:13:13 GMT
I think Harry is in a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" position. If he lets Remembrance Day pass w/out doing anything to mark the day, then it looks like all his work w/ wounded veterans was just for show. If he does do something to mark the occasion, then it looks like a publicity stunt.Unfortunately, I think Harry has himself to blame for getting himself into this awkward position. I think if he had been a little more patient and given his family more time to work out the details of his departure, they probably could have come up w/ a plan whereby he would be given a limited public role to play on certain occasions such as Remembrance Day, if he so desired. By all accounts it seems he served his nation honorably when he was in active duty in the military. He did really wonderful things for wounded veterans after he was no longer in the military. It's too bad he didn't leave his family on better terms. True, but if he had privately laid a wreath on the selected graves and posted pictures of the flowers or bring attention to that soldier, then it wouldn't have looked so much like a publicity stunt. This just feels... not genuine (bc of the photographer they HIRED - he wasn't some random that followed them around and happened to catch them out doing this).
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Post by Bridget in MD on Nov 9, 2020 17:16:22 GMT
Why can't Americans seem to understand that having a negative opinion about something or someone is not the same thing as being "outraged," nor is disagreeing about something "offensive" Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of that word, because you don't seem to understand what it means. I'm not hiding the fact that I don't like him at all and I think they are both tacky and make poor choices, but again, that's an opinion, not a favourable one, but just an opinion. If I start a thread, I'm upfront about my opinions on whatever topic I'm posting about, I'm not going to post some passive aggressive bullshit and pretend I'm just posting an photo innocently and hide what I'm really thinking. I know others here do that...but it's not my style. Do you never have discussions where you don't like someone or something...are you always "outraged" about it? I'm guessing that must be your default if that's how you read things. Maybe dial down the voice in your head a bit OK? Now, if we're talking about Trump and the damage he's done and what he says and what he stands for and the people who voted for him, THEN I'm 100% "outraged" That sort of sounds like outrage to me... I don't understand why you would care enough to start this thread... I hadn't seen or heard about this.. but it would not have been a blip on my radar. Are they seeking attention.. probably, but maybe Harry just misses some of the things he can no longer do.. and they are trying to create new traditions. At the end of they day.. are they hurting anyone? Nope? Move on! I didn't start this thread, but I am fascinated by the royal families in Europe, esp the BRF and the Swedish RF (bc I have a friend in Sweden). If you don't care, then don't participate in the thread... They probably aren't hurting anyone, except themselves. They are either ignoring advice or not getting good advice. It seems like they misstep every single time, and I just don't understand why this happens.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 9, 2020 17:21:01 GMT
I can completely understand why he would want to honor Remembrance Day, and have zero issue with him choosing to do that versus Veterans Day. I do think that they are surprisingly clueless on how their actions will be perceived. You really can't talk about your private moment you hired a photographer to attend and document without looking contrived at best.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 17:55:33 GMT
I’m personally very happy that pjaye started this thread. This is the type of thread I love. I follow the BRF and have watched this whole train wreck play out. I like The Crown, but I would really eat up a series about the Sussexes. I mean, the soap is built in. As someone who watched their wedding full of anticipation about how they would bring a new perspective to the BRF, I never dreamed it would go sideways the way it did. I’m fascinated by how if there are two options, they consistently pick the one that does them the most damage. It’s uncanny how they can’t get out of their own way, even with PR professionals on retainer.
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Post by Peal on Nov 9, 2020 18:12:11 GMT
I saw the tweets yesterday and found the whole thing ... odd. But, whatever, it's not my Royal Family to worry about. My big takeaway was I hadn't noticed how thin Harry's hair was getting on top. Those photo's really accentuated it. Maybe he really is Charles' son after all.
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Post by zella on Nov 9, 2020 18:27:21 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 9, 2020 18:43:46 GMT
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Post by questioning on Nov 9, 2020 18:46:11 GMT
Then they tramp all over the American graves to lay flowers at the two Commonwealth ones. I'm not getting the outrage. Anyone walking through a cemetery to find a particular grave tramps over all the others. The majority of cemeteries in the USA have a linear layout, even if old, or hilly (USA old ). Standard practice is to walk between the markers when crossing rows, or at the back of a headstone if travelling along a row. The idea is to avoid walking on someone's casket / body. It's possible to read a headstone and be reverent while doing this. There are times it is understandable to be close to the front of a specific headstone when visiting or coping with a personal loss. Crossing diagonally to get to a grave faster or more photogenically is just rude and disrespectful. I have typical US fascination about the royal family and some of the fun stuff like weddings, but Harry and Meghan in the US, live and let live, I guess?
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 9, 2020 18:48:00 GMT
The problem comes from the media making a big song and dance about it all. It's pretty difficult to trace where those photos came from to be honest. They could have been uninvited paparazzi for all we know. No, there is nothing unclear or difficult to trace about it, it literally says... LINKThey hired the photographer then they released the 7 photos themselves. No paparazzi were involved Who the actual fuck cares? I mean honestly. The outrage you continue to have at this couple fascinates me. Add me to the list of Americans who clearly can't evaluate negative comments. Aren't they actually in a deal to have a documentary show on Netflix? Is it not reasonable to assume the pictures were part of that? And beyond that, if there's truth to the statement that the Queen refused to lay a wreath in his name, is it not reasonable to assume he wanted it to be clear that he did take time to respect the fallen and active? I continue to be stunned at comments made that this is all Meghan's fault. The idea that Harry, as an adult man, can't, and hasn't, made his own decisions and is under the evil control of the B List celebrity from America is absolutely hilarious. Harry was his own man before Meghan, and I suspect he's his own man now. Albeit a married one, with a son. A man who's making the decisions he feels best for him and his little family. And in case you haven't figured it out, graves are usually packed in very tightly in America - who have to walk "over" other graves to get where you're going usually. I wouldn't call that "trouncing" by any means.
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Post by KiwiJo on Nov 9, 2020 19:35:52 GMT
Is ‘outrage’ another of those words that have a different meaning depending on where in the world you are? I keep seeing people in this thread ask why others are outraged about this, but can’t see one iota of outrage at all.
To me, ‘outrage’ means anger, especially ‘righteous anger’, rage, being furious, extremely annoyed. I sure haven’t seen any of that in this thread.
I do see people being critical, but being critical doesn’t have anything to do with being outraged, does it?
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 9, 2020 20:19:21 GMT
Is ‘outrage’ another of those words that have a different meaning depending on where in the world you are? I keep seeing people in this thread ask why others are outraged about this, but can’t see one iota of outrage at all. To me, ‘outrage’ means anger, especially ‘righteous anger’, rage, being furious, extremely annoyed. I sure haven’t seen any of that in this thread. I do see people being critical, but being critical doesn’t have anything to do with being outraged, does it? I think tone plays a lot into it. I personally read the OPs posts and I read it in a tone of outrage, because that's the feel it has to me. You may read it and not see if that way, but based on previous posts she's made about this particular couple, that's how I read into her posts. YMMV
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