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Post by tuva42 on Nov 10, 2020 15:47:32 GMT
He stopped being a royal, not a veteran. Lighten up.
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2020 15:57:12 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point. What a gross (and privileged) thing to say. He wasn't in Afghanistan on vacation or there to sign a business deal. He was there, serving his country. He was willing to lose life or limb. By your definition, our military, nurses and firefighters aren't heroes either. WTF. But I guess as long as someone else is willing to lose his life or limb so you can sit at home and have the opinion he isn't a hero, then everything is ok.
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Post by Really Red on Nov 10, 2020 16:11:09 GMT
I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad. These are the types of comments I just don't get. A mother would be sad that her son is happy? This particular mother would be sad that her son broke free from the tradition that controlled her life and he refused to let control him? I'm glad you know what Diana would have thought. I'm going to go ahead and assume that Diana wanted both her sons to be happy no matter what. I agree. I would think any parent would want their kid to be happy. And their kids to get along, but if Harry is happy, I don't really care what he does (in general). I don't have a problem with his choices. He just probably needs time to find the right balance.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 10, 2020 16:14:40 GMT
Is ‘outrage’ another of those words that have a different meaning depending on where in the world you are? I keep seeing people in this thread ask why others are outraged about this, but can’t see one iota of outrage at all. To me, ‘outrage’ means anger, especially ‘righteous anger’, rage, being furious, extremely annoyed. I sure haven’t seen any of that in this thread. I do see people being critical, but being critical doesn’t have anything to do with being outraged, does it? I think tone plays a lot into it. I personally read the OPs posts and I read it in a tone of outrage, because that's the feel it has to me. You may read it and not see if that way, but based on previous posts she's made about this particular couple, that's how I read into her posts. YMMV I don’t see outrage. She’s snarky. Does snark not register with you?
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 16:21:07 GMT
He wasn't in Afghanistan on vacation or there to sign a business deal. He was there, serving his country. He was willing to lose life or limb. By your definition, our military, nurses and firefighters aren't heroes either. WTF. I'm a nurse, and I don't think in general that we are heroes. They are some that are - that go above and beyond and will risk their own lives and work in deplorable conditions. But most of us in our nice middle class hospitals are just trying to do our jobs as well as we can, and some days are more challenging than others but we aren't doing anything even close to heroic. Also Harry's experience wasn't the same as every regular soldier - he had his own body guards assigned to protect him. I actually agree with Zella - for me "hero" isn't a blanket term that just applies to everyone that does a certain job, it me it's applied specifically to a person that does something above and beyond in that job. Are we giving war hero Prince Andrew a pass now too because he served his country and then made some bad decisions?
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2020 16:32:43 GMT
He wasn't in Afghanistan on vacation or there to sign a business deal. He was there, serving his country. He was willing to lose life or limb. By your definition, our military, nurses and firefighters aren't heroes either. WTF. I'm a nurse, and I don't think in general that we are heroes. They are some that are - that go above and beyond and will risk their own lives and work in deplorable conditions. But most of us in our nice middle class hospitals are just trying to do our jobs as well as we can, and some days are more challenging than others but we aren't doing anything even close to heroic. Also Harry's experience wasn't the same as every regular soldier - he had his own body guards assigned to protect him. I actually agree with Zella - for me "hero" isn't a blanket term that just applies to everyone that does a certain job, it me it's applied specifically to a person that does something above and beyond in that job. Are we giving war hero Prince Andrew a pass now too because he served his country and then made some bad decisions? Im not giving Andrew any passes. My point is on a daily basis, nurses and soldiers take risks that *I* would ever consider taking. To me, thats a hero. YMMV
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 10, 2020 17:21:03 GMT
I think tone plays a lot into it. I personally read the OPs posts and I read it in a tone of outrage, because that's the feel it has to me. You may read it and not see if that way, but based on previous posts she's made about this particular couple, that's how I read into her posts. YMMV I don’t see outrage. She’s snarky. Does snark not register with you? Noo ... not at all. Oh wait. I see outrage. Like I said, YMMV.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 17:41:37 GMT
That's your problem not mine...as I said, try dialing down your own inner reading voice several notches, I'm sure you'll probably find life a lot less stressful if you aren't hearing "outrage!!!" in everything. Relax Gia, and your mileage may vary too some day...
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Post by zippythebird on Nov 10, 2020 19:55:15 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point. Hi I am a super long time lurker from the UK , My cousin served with Harry when he was in The Blues & Royals in Afghanistan in fact he was in charge of Harry's Advance party & I have heard that Harry mucked in & pulled his weight, The reason you don't know much about Harry's service record is because the British press promised to leave him alone during his Tour of duty . He did a second Tour as an Apache co pilot . So please don't criticize his Army Service because you know nothing he is still very loyal to the Army and he is still involved with certain charities , I don't agree with what he did turning a Such an occasion into a photoshoot but I guess that was megans choice . Harry being the spare was always going to find it hard to fit in yes I think he made a massive mistake marrying a Z list celeb but that is his problem to work on .
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Post by zella on Nov 13, 2020 0:44:53 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point. What a gross (and privileged) thing to say. He wasn't in Afghanistan on vacation or there to sign a business deal. He was there, serving his country. He was willing to lose life or limb. By your definition, our military, nurses and firefighters aren't heroes either. WTF. But I guess as long as someone else is willing to lose his life or limb so you can sit at home and have the opinion he isn't a hero, then everything is ok. No. I'm not saying he didn't serve, and that that isn't important. But the word "hero" is thrown around WAY too easily today. Soldier? Hero. Cop? Hero. Nurse? Hero. NO. I was a nurse and I was never a hero. Even if I'd taken care of Covid patients I wouldn't want the title hero. You're not a hero JUST BECAUSE YOU DO YOUR JOB. No one is. You are a hero when you go above and beyond what is expected for the job, when you risk your safety to save someone (or something) else. I experienced a terrible incident where 3 of my family members nearly drowned in the ocean. Three strangers went out to rescue them. THAT is a hero. And I am sick to death of having that word thrown around so casually. It doesn't MEAN anything anymore. And by your definition was I a hero all those years I worked as a nurse? Bollocks. It was my job. I got gut punched by an addict once, but again, that was part of the job. I had a counselor who had a massive heart attack on the ferry. Two nurses gave him CPR and then shocked his heart. The news was calling them heroes. That pissed me off. I was on that boat, and answered the call for medical personnel, but by the time I arrived there were many people there, and I wasn't needed. If I'd been the one to start CPR I most definitely wouldn't have been a hero. This is my issue. The use of that terminology. I don't believe that troops are in Afghanistan so I can "sit at home" but that's another argument. There are indeed cases where soldiers and sailors do their job to protect Americans and others, but often that's not what it is. Yes Harry's still a veteran, but regular vets don't get to lay a wreath at the war memorial in London; what did he expect? There are plenty of opportunities to do something good for vets here in the US, or in the UK as a non-Royal. And your presumptions (by which I mean a bunch of you) are totally wrong. My grandfather was in WWI. He survived many of the worst battles. He came home with hearing loss and PTSD; he soon was profoundly deaf and PTSD was largely ignored after WW1. I know if you asked him if he was a hero he'd have said no despite his sacrifices. My other grandpa drove trains of ammunitions and troops between London and the south coast during WWII. His job was dangerous. He'd never consider himself a hero for that. And I had the misfortune of being married to a psychopath pedophile who was in the Air Force and served at a field hospital in Dubai during the first Gulf war (Operation Desert Storm). Even he wouldn't say he was a hero. He was just doing his job. Period. This is my only answer; I won't be returning to this thread. It wasn't about Harry's service. I don't give two figs about Harry and Megan to be honest. But you can't turn your back on Royal duties, move to California, then expect concessions. I'm not saying it's right, but come on, we know the Queen wouldn't be okay with that. But mostly it was the use of the term hero. It's a trigger for me after seeing true heroism in action.
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Post by jubejubes on Nov 13, 2020 2:44:20 GMT
I had a counselor who had a massive heart attack on the ferry. Two nurses gave him CPR and then shocked his heart. The news was calling them heroes. That pissed me off. I was on that boat, and answered the call for medical personnel, but by the time I arrived there were many people there, and I wasn't needed. If I'd been the one to start CPR I most definitely wouldn't have been a hero. This is my issue. The use of that terminology. So, because you got to the scene a tiny bit later and weren't needed, you are jealous of the people who were there earlier. You weren't in the news, so now no one is a hero because you weren't called a hero. Got it. Also, you have the "ear" of the Queen? Really? When was the last time that you were in the UK as an adult? Yawn . . .
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Post by scrappintoee on Nov 16, 2020 4:16:55 GMT
Relax Gia, and your mileage may vary too some day... Is it ok if I ask a non-related question? I see the name "GIA" quite often---can someone give me some info? I've been around here for 19 years and remember A LOT of things, but not Gia. Thanks
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Post by pjaye on Nov 16, 2020 4:27:58 GMT
I see the name "GIA" quite often---can someone give me some info Gia-Lupia - the old ID of a poster here (now callers herself pixiechick) who gets fixed on the wording in someone's post and then repeats her objection over and over and over again using the same words even when those people have explained what they meant. Gia/pixiechick posts only on political threads, so if you don't read many of those you may have missed her. So in this instance I'm using it as an insult because that poster put YMMV at the end of multiple posts...just like Gia who always repeats the same things.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 16, 2020 4:37:27 GMT
...buy now that the thread has been bumped It's been confirmed that H & M did not do this on Remembrance day, but at least a week before and with a plan to release the photos on the same day that the real royals released theirs. Not confirmed, but speculated, that this is for their tacky Netflix series which will follow them "leaving the Monarchy" Again interesting seeing as Netflix are currently raking his parents and their relationship over the coals. It seems that all that PTSD he suffered from the media hounding his mother can be soothed with a nice fat cheque. I'm not famous, but if any TV network were exploiting the tragedies & marital problems of my immediate family, I sure as hell wouldn't go and work for them.
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