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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2020 20:30:13 GMT
Heroes risk life or limb for someone else Isn't that what every soldier does every time they leave their camps and go out to respond to enemy fire or to rescue wounded comrades? That would include Harry wouldn't it since he is known to have shot at the enemy and flown attack helicopters.
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Post by mnmloveli on Nov 9, 2020 20:32:42 GMT
I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 9, 2020 20:35:39 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point. Yikes. Zella. Really? You do realize that soldiers sleep with their weapons and even in their armored gear at times if a threat has been reported? My experience is with my husband deployed to the UAE, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, and Afghanistan over the last 30 years. And he’s Air Force and not on the front lines, but he never left the base in Afghanistan without his security detail. All men and women serving in the armed forces are heroes. They work to protect you. And many around the world do this voluntarily. I get that you don’t care for Harry and Meghan, but this doesn’t negate his service.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 9, 2020 20:36:11 GMT
Heroes risk life or limb for someone else Isn't that what every soldier does every time they leave their camps and go out to respond to enemy fire or to rescue wounded comrades? That would include Harry wouldn't it since he is known to have shot at the enemy and flown attack helicopters. Thank you, Gar.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 20:36:37 GMT
pjaye is snarky af. I don’t read outrage, I read it as “wtf are they doing now?!” while enjoying the ridiculousness that has become the Sussexes. I get it, some people like them, some people don’t. I personally am just so disappointed that they squandered all the power available to them as part of the BRF for a mansion in Santa Barbara and a deal with Netflix. There is a world of difference in the influence, stature, and longevity between BRF and celebrity in Hollywood.
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 9, 2020 20:48:41 GMT
I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad. These are the types of comments I just don't get. A mother would be sad that her son is happy? This particular mother would be sad that her son broke free from the tradition that controlled her life and he refused to let control him? I'm glad you know what Diana would have thought. I'm going to go ahead and assume that Diana wanted both her sons to be happy no matter what.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 22:04:27 GMT
I’m also speculating that she’s pregnant based on the photos. I guessed correctly with Archie long before it was announced. Some people just look different when they’re pregnant even when there’s not an obvious bump.
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2020 22:12:50 GMT
I’m also speculating that she’s pregnant based on the photos. I guessed correctly with Archie long before it was announced. Some people just look different when they’re pregnant even when there’s not an obvious bump. Interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 22:25:59 GMT
I'm British. I've never been a royalist. I grew up in the UK, was living in London when Diana died, and moved to the US around 20 years ago. I was happy to see Meghan join the Royal Family because it needs to modernize. The UK press is vicious and being an outsider, well I don't know how you can healthily live and thrive in that environment. Particularly in the South of England, the English class system is alive and kicking. I was sad, but understood why they felt the need to leave.
Meghan and Harry are now damned if they do and damned if they don't. I didn't get growing up, why the UK went on and on about World War I and II. As an adult I have learned and understood that we need to remember history so that we can (try) and avoid the mistakes of the past. Remembrance Sunday is a huge deal in the UK, more so than Veteran's day. We sell poppies to raise money for servicemen and women. We wear them for weeks on the run up to Remembrance Sunday. As a nation, at least when I was growing up, there were several school events in the run-up and we all attended/or listened to services. Harry not only has a military background, he was brought up to treat that day with reverence & respect . I have no issues with him continuing to do that. If it hadn't been for COVID, who knows, he might even have been in the UK to attend in person.
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Post by tryingtobewise on Nov 9, 2020 22:45:29 GMT
I think the aggravation has more to do with the fact that they repeatedly claim a desire for privacy while also hiring photographers to have carefully staged photos put out in the world. I think despite leaving the royal family, they now know royalty is the only thing about them that is really of interest to the public so they do these photo ops occasionally. Let’s face it, they apparently need a paycheck now and being a former TV show actress may not go too far.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2020 22:51:19 GMT
The problem comes from the media making a big song and dance about it all. Has this been covered in the British media? As I said upthread, this is the only place I've seen the wreath laying discussed and it was not covered on our local southern CA news stations. Because of the SM coverage, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes some of the talk shows today. Is ‘outrage’ another of those words that have a different meaning depending on where in the world you are? This is probably true. For me, outrage/outrageous could be replaced with appalling or dreadful, maybe atrocious, scandalous, disgraceful or deplorable. Indignation fits in there, too. I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad. Yikes. If we are going there, IMHO, Diana would be applauding Harry walking away and very likely would have enjoyed her American DIL more than her British DIL. She really wasn't a fan of British Royalty as I remember things. And I do have to ask, if Meghan was truly cosplaying a Royal, wouldn't she be wearing a hat?
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Post by heather on Nov 9, 2020 23:10:00 GMT
I think the aggravation has more to do with the fact that they repeatedly claim a desire for privacy while also hiring photographers to have carefully staged photos put out in the world. I think despite leaving the royal family, they now know royalty is the only thing about them that is really of interest to the public so they do these photo ops occasionally. Let’s face it, they apparently need a paycheck now and being a former TV show actress may not go too far. Isn’t this relatively normal procedure for people hounded by the paparazzi though? They release pictures on their own terms so that the public sees the event and it undercuts the paparazzi.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 23:18:06 GMT
I don't understand why you would care enough to start this thread... I suppose for the same reasons you start such intellectually stimulating threads such as asking how to make salad or stop toilet smells I was looking at election stuff on twitter and saw these photos several times, they are a public couple, and I thought it would generate a discussion here...if you have an opinion about what they did (good or bad) then by all means feel free to post it. But this thing that happens here when you don't agree with someone to get all handslappy and pissy and attack the OP for daring to start a thread that you have a different opinion on is getting old...and I'll call it out each time.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 23:36:10 GMT
A mother would be sad that her son is happy? Does he look happy to you? He's participated in several zoom calls, and he's earned himself the nickname "hostage Harry" because he looks so miserable all the time. There's speculation that he's not managing his mental health well - and now he's away from all of the people who have treated & supported him for all his life. He's isolated from his family, he has grandparents that are both very old and realistically could die any day and he won't have seen them for almost a year. His son is growing up alone instead of playing with all of his cousins and he's had to resort to staging his own remembrance day tribute, while the rest of his family shared the day together. They still have numerous court cases on the go (because privacy!) yet they have now resorted to selling photos of themselves. I don't think any of that sounds like he's living his best life. He's swapped Royal protocols controlling him for a wife that controls him. *ETA: I was reading backwards, but your "who the fuck cares?" made me laugh, for someone who doesn't care, you sure have a lot to say on the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 0:15:09 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. It's offensive, to say the least, that you think " it's part of the job" for anyone in the military that sees active service, whether it's Prince Harry or anyone else brave enough to serve. Prince Harry flew Apache helicopters in Afghanistan. The posters that have military knowledge on here will know what a dangerous job that is in a combat zone and it was no less dangerous for Prince Harry than anyone else.
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Post by jubejubes on Nov 10, 2020 1:24:31 GMT
I checked, and see nothing that suggests Harry is a war hero. Just being in Afghanistan doesn't make him a hero. That's just part of the job. Heroes risk life or limb for someone else. If it was important to Harry to have a wreath laid on Memorial Sunday, he shouldn't have buggered off and left the royal family and the UK. I have no sympathy for that. I wonder if he's rethinking his decision to marry Meghan at this point. This is a disgusting thing to say. People who are in the military and the support people that work in the military are all heros. You are living in a "free country" due to the fact that other people died in battle to guarantee that you will be safe. Again, DISGUSTING hero /ˈhirō/ noun 1. a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities. "a war hero"
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 3:24:32 GMT
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 3:51:45 GMT
hero /ˈhirō/ noun 1. a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities. I'll credit Harry with courage, even if he did have his own personal body guards while he was fighting in Afghanistan, I think it still takes courage to to be in the armed forces and fight. But I don't think he did anything particularly outstanding or noble there though. If you are going there, then Prince Andrew has more right to be called a hero based on his military career, so is everyone OK with Prince Andrew the war hero...and laying a wreath on his behalf (because he wasn't there either)?
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Post by julieb on Nov 10, 2020 4:12:37 GMT
Could you imagine living your life doing something you were told to do, instead of what you want to do? Life is short - I think after what Diana when through, she would have supported Harry's choices. King Edward abdicated for the love of a women and he was the KING, not "the spare". He was able to live a quiet life with the women he loved.
I applaud Harry for following his head and his heart. For people to judge the way he looks in pictures or the way he talks on a video call as being unhappy is ridiculous.
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Post by tryingtobewise on Nov 10, 2020 6:26:41 GMT
No idea if I’m quoting right but this opinion piece summarizes my thoughts. I’m not sure why I care other than I feel like they’re trying to have their cake and eat it too!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 10, 2020 8:08:19 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but people.com usually has appropriate news. It says the Palace turned down Henry's request to have a wreath to be laid during the event. People.comWar hero Prince Harry asked to have a wreath of poppies laid at the national memorial to those servicemen and women who have fallen, but it was turned down. It is another sign of how much Harry, 36, is estranged from the royal family. He and Meghan Markle stepped back from royal duties in March. Harry’s request was turned down by courtiers because he no longer represents the family, The Sunday Times, which broke the story, reported. A representative for Harry declined to comment. Buckingham Palace reps had no comment. He chose to no longer be an active part of the Royal Family, therefore his request to have a wreath laid on his behalf would be about as relevant as a similar request from me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 9:28:06 GMT
An opinion piece printed in the Daily Mail and by Jan Moir of all people- great combination that is pjaye . A personal protection officer while he was on the front line in Afghanistan ? - I wonder where they sat him in the Apache gun helicopter when H was firing at the Taliban while covering the backs of his fellow fighters. Yes, there are plenty of reports from the people he served with to confirm his contribution to their safety, both British and US military personnel. Before you come back with your " proof" Yes, he was once taken elsewhere by the SAS from Camp Bastion when they came under fire by the Taliban, where two US marine officers were killed sadly, because Camp Bastion was the target because he was there. He was taken out, not so much to protect him personally but to protect other military personnel who were at greater risk if he stayed. The same reason he had to cut short his first tour of duty when international media blew his cover by reporting his presence there. Something the British press had agreed not to do so at the time, not to protect him but to protect everyone else serving there. Offer your personal opinion by all means, that is your right, although you do seem to be rather obsessed by what they are both doing, but don't dismiss his or any other soldier's military contribution in their efforts to keep us all safe.
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2020 9:42:35 GMT
The Palace's decision about a wreath on Harry's behalf would have been based on plain and simple rules - he no longer represents the Queen or the RF = no wreath, not on personal feelings of "Let's say no, that'll show him!" Protocol...always protocol. The thing that struck me most about that piece pjaye is this: the military role that was the making of him and the best of him: the one good thing that came to define him as an adult. I do feel that giving up his military connections has been a bad move, one of the most damaging things from the fallout of their decision to break away. I think Harry 'found himself' as a soldier in many ways, being one of the guys and even if he is enjoying his 'freedom' I think the disconnect with the military will take somewhat of a toll on him. And as for the years ahead, I don't know. The Queen and Prince Philip won't live forever...I wonder how that will be handled.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 10:19:22 GMT
he thing that struck me most about that piece pjaye is this: the military role that was the making of him and the best of him: the one good thing that came to define him as an adult. I do feel that giving up his military connections has been a bad move, one of the most damaging things from the fallout of their decision to break away. I think Harry 'found himself' as a soldier in many ways, being one of the guys and even if he is enjoying his 'freedom' I think the disconnect with the military will take somewhat of a toll on him. And as for the years ahead, I don't know. The Queen and Prince Philip won't live forever...I wonder how that will be handled. I agree, I think it gave him a place to fit in and he seemed happier there. Those early years of Kate & William's marriage, when the three of them were together so often, he seemed to be truly happy then as well, there's so many photos where he looks relaxed and is beaming...it is sad to see the contrast in him now. There were strong rumours that they would be back in the UK about now and would be spending Christmas there, but now with Meghan's court case delayed until the end of next year, I don't think she has any intention of going back there before that...and Harry will just get more disconnected from his family. They seem to be lurching from one bad decision to another and are alienating more people than they are winning over. This last stunt has really backfired on them, but that should have been very obvious to at least Harry. Hard to understand why he thought it was a good idea to make it all public.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 10, 2020 10:42:52 GMT
I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad. Newsflash. She died in 1997.
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Post by mnmloveli on Nov 10, 2020 13:48:01 GMT
I’m sure Diana is so sad over his choices. Very sad. Newsflash. She died in 1997. Newsflash ! Some religious people who have a soul believe in an afterlife.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 10, 2020 14:03:08 GMT
I don't understand why you would care enough to start this thread... I suppose for the same reasons you start such intellectually stimulating threads such as asking how to make salad or stop toilet smells I was looking at election stuff on twitter and saw these photos several times, they are a public couple, and I thought it would generate a discussion here...if you have an opinion about what they did (good or bad) then by all means feel free to post it. But this thing that happens here when you don't agree with someone to get all handslappy and pissy and attack the OP for daring to start a thread that you have a different opinion on is getting old...and I'll call it out each time. What a burn.. you had to go back years to find those... you can continue to hate on Megan and Harry, I doubt they care, I know I certainly don't! Peace out..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 14:21:02 GMT
Newsflash. She died in 1997. Newsflash ! Some religious people who have a soul believe in an afterlife. How rude. There are plenty of non religious people with a soul who believe in an afterlife. There are plenty of religious people without a soul too. And there are lots of people who are not religious and have a soul and don't believe in an afterlife. "Religious" people do not have a monopoly on "having a soul."
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 10, 2020 14:42:09 GMT
In all my reading of this drama online (here, Reddit, Go Fug Yourself) it’s come to my attention that the Remembrance Day ceremony is not a BRF controlled event. The event is organized by the British Government and the Legion. They grant permission to persons to lay wreaths for a particular organization during the official ceremony. The BRF are tasked with laying wreaths not on their own behalf but as the representative of something. Except the Queen who lays one on her own behalf as the monarch, and Phillip who earned his wreath after service to Queen and country for many, many years and had his wreath laid on his behalf. Charles laid his wreath as the Prince of Wales for Wales. William laid his wreath for the Air Force. Anne’s wreath was for women service members.
It wasn’t up to the BRF to agree or not agree to Harry’s request. The fact that he has participated in this ceremony since 2009 and somehow doesn’t know the particulars leads me believe he really is regrettably unintelligent or this was all an act to be the victim of the meanies at BP. Also, the wreath made for him was made before their big announcement about stepping down in January. The Legion had no idea he wouldn’t be a working senior royal in November. I assume they held on to it just in case he returns.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 10, 2020 15:43:13 GMT
he BRF are tasked with laying wreaths not on their own behalf but as the representative of something. Thanks for clarifying - that's interesting. Somewhat puzzling then that Harry seems unaware of who he was laying it for, for all those years! My theory is that there was a plan they would have been back in the UK for this...and they thought they'd be taking part...until Meghan pulled the plug on that idea but she had the outfit already & she had to make sure she was seen in it so she could score her merchandising $$, hence the ill thought out photo shoot. Same with the wreath, Harry thought he'd be there to lay it and he probably thought if he was back in the UK they'd cave and let him take part. They both still seem to be under the delusion that they will be able to have it both ways. I hope the Queen is still around for the one year review - she seems to be the toughest one.
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