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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 3:06:01 GMT
What on earth were they thinking?
How desperate for attention can they get?
Harry pins his medals to his suit jacket and the two of them and their hired, private photographer head out to an empty cemetery for a photoshoot!
Then they tramp all over the American graves to lay flowers at the two Commonwealth ones.
Clearly Meghan wasn't letting those stunning photos of Kate get all the attention, and sulky little Harry, who still wants to take part in all the pomp & ceremony of his Royal tittle (but doesn't want to do the work that comes with it) decided to stage their cringeworthy ceremony...so that then they could sell the photos themselves (even more cringe).
They laid flowers at the graves of a Canadian & an Australian soldier - but we don't celebrate Remembrance day until 11th Nov.
All the while telling us it was their own "personal" tribute...if it was so personal, then why the need for the medals and the hired photographer & the money making? What happened to all that privacy they wanted?
in contrast, the REAL Royals (who do all the many boring jobs all year round as well as attend the more high profile ceremonies without constant complaint):
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 3:10:15 GMT
And seeing as they are living in America, and Meghan has been banging on about racial issues and voting, and herself voted in this election, you'd think a better image for her would have been to acknowledge the significance of VP Harris' election.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2020 3:10:41 GMT
They don’t seem to grasp that if one is doing “personal” works, one doesn’t bring a photographer.
Sad. And ugh rolled into one.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2020 3:12:09 GMT
And seeing as they are living in America, and Meghan has been banging on about racial issues and voting, and herself voted in this election, you'd think a better image for her would have been to acknowledge the significance of VP Harris' election. Or wait until Veterans Day on Nov 11 instead of whichever is convenient Sunday. Guess they’re busy on Wed? |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 3:17:04 GMT
Or wait until Veterans Day on Nov 11 instead of whichever is convenient Sunday. Guess they’re busy on Wed? Exactly! - they wanted to go live in the USA, then they should participate in the day the USA has their Remembrance services and not get all pouty about not be part of the British one any longer. And Meghan dressing like the other women in the family she never had any intention of being a part of...and is actively keeping their son away from, is just beyond tacky. |
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2020 3:27:04 GMT
Remembrance Day is 11/11 here too and there will be a minute silence then but the Sunday is when the main event in London always takes place.
Yeah, he is/was a military man, I’m guessing he wanted to be seen to mark the occasion in case it was said that he’d forgotten his former comrades.
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Post by Jessica on Nov 9, 2020 3:29:32 GMT
Oh dear.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 3:39:06 GMT
Yeah, he is/was a military man, I’m guessing he wanted to be seen to mark the occasion in case it was said that he’d forgotten his former comrades and then he can still do that in the USA on the day they hold their services...but of course then they would be in public and the press would take photos of them, and they wouldn't be able to sell the photos themselves. I'm sure they could have found a more subtle way to make the occasion without dressing like they are still living in the UK and tramping all over graves for a money making photoshoot. It's all a bit sad and desperate on their part don't you think? Are they going to hire a horse and carriage and ride through the streets of Montecito waving at the locals for the next Trooping Of The Colour? |
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Post by snyder on Nov 9, 2020 3:42:43 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but people.com usually has appropriate news. It says the Palace turned down Henry's request to have a wreath to be laid during the event. People.comWar hero Prince Harry asked to have a wreath of poppies laid at the national memorial to those servicemen and women who have fallen, but it was turned down. It is another sign of how much Harry, 36, is estranged from the royal family. He and Meghan Markle stepped back from royal duties in March. Harry’s request was turned down by courtiers because he no longer represents the family, The Sunday Times, which broke the story, reported. A representative for Harry declined to comment. Buckingham Palace reps had no comment. |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 3:53:44 GMT
It says the Palace turned down Henry's request to have a wreath to be laid during the event. People.comHe gave up being a working royal, so if it's true, why should they do what he wants? All along they've wanted it both ways - to get the honorary titles and be in the high profile ceremonies and use the titles, but not be actual "public servants" like the others. They want to act like private citizens and only be "royal" when it suits them...it's high time the rest of the senior working royals put an end to that bullshit. |
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Post by KiwiJo on Nov 9, 2020 4:08:44 GMT
Harry has never been among my favourite/most respected Royals, but I actually feel a bit sorry for him. So many things since he became engaged, then married, seem to have been ill-advised, the wrong way to go about things.
I think a major reason is that Meghan hasn’t grasped that being part of the Royal Family is very different to being a Celebrity, and Harry has gone along with it. Celebrities often seem to do things in order to be noticed, but that is not the ‘Royal way’; neither is right or wrong of course, they are just different.
Of course, it could be that Harry is deliberately going after the celebrity-culture, and that is fine if that is what he really wants; but it will be a long time before the British and Commonwealth people will see him in that light. Doing things like this, appearing to want to be part of the Commonwealth way of doing things, but doing them in a ‘celebrity’ manner, can only prolong things and bring even more bad press.
He was always going to have a very difficult life even as (or perhaps, especially as) a member of the Royal Family. Right from when he was born, as a 2nd child, he was always going to have a just-in-case position; probably not needed, but needs to be there just in case. With each child that William and Catherine have, his possibility of being needed gets pushed further back and now it is highly unlikely he will be ‘needed’. His options were always going to be limited - there are not many careers, or even just simple jobs, that would be open to him.
I am certain the military means a great deal to him, and I can understand him wanting some quiet personal moments around Remembrance Day, but once again, they have gone about it the wrong way as far as Britain and the Commonwealth are concerned.
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Post by mom on Nov 9, 2020 4:25:48 GMT
For someones who want privacy, they sure do seek out being public.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2020 4:28:28 GMT
Then they tramp all over the American graves to lay flowers at the two Commonwealth ones. I'm not getting the outrage. Anyone walking through a cemetery to find a particular grave tramps over all the others.  |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 4:37:16 GMT
I'm not getting the outrage. Anyone walking through a cemetery to find a particular grave tramps over all the others. No "outrage" at all, just an simple observation. There's paths to walk on. Wandering willy nilly all over the lawn and between headstones seems kind of pointless when it's just for a photo op. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 9, 2020 4:47:02 GMT
Placing wreathes at the Cenotaph is not a personal thing. The BRF are placing wreaths on behalf of nations or military branches. If Harry wanted to have a wreath laid on his behalf, there were plenty of Remembrance Day events across the UK he could have worked with.
A post online about Remembrance Day would be the appropriate way to acknowledge the day. A cringeworthy photo session in an LA cemetary wearing something appropriate for an official royal event is making it about them, which is unfortunately on brand for the Sussex duo.
Veteran’s Day (Nov 11) is to honor those who have served.
Memorial Day (last Monday in May) is to honor those who gave their life in service.
Armed Forces Day (third Saturday in May) is to honor those currently serving.
The only way that story leaked about being refused is from the Sussex side. They are so predictable with decrying their victimhood. Then quickly made up their own “royal event” to post online.
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Post by mrgiedrnkr on Nov 9, 2020 4:52:27 GMT
I roll my eyes at them a lot. But, today really took the cake. These staged photos were ridiculous,
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 4:56:04 GMT
Compare it to this one, Princess Beatrice, wasn't at the wreath laying, no-one "placed a wreath for her" and this was her tweet - it's all about Remembrance Day and not about her, and what she was wearing.
This is how you can still pay your respects when you aren't there in person, and not make it it all about you:
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2020 5:02:33 GMT
I'm not getting the outrage. Anyone walking through a cemetery to find a particular grave tramps over all the others. No "outrage" at all, just an simple observation. There's paths to walk on. Wandering willy nilly all over the lawn and between headstones seems kind of pointless when it's just for a photo op. I guess shame on me for walking willy nilly through cemeteries, including between rows of headstones. Sometimes that is how we take in the enormity of the sacrifice by actually reading the headstone, calculating the age of the soldier when they gave the ultimate sacrifice, thinking about who your loved one is surrounded by. Not everyone is at the end of a row.  Your outage comes through in the "what on earth were they thinking? How desperate for attention can they get?" Accusing Meghan of not letting the stunning photos of Kate get all the attention. I sincerely doubt this was all planned and executed in reaction to those photos. Your default mode is to find outrage with everything these two do.  And surprisingly, my first thought seeing Kate's photos earlier were how somber the event was, not how stunning she looked.  |
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Post by peatlejuice on Nov 9, 2020 5:15:04 GMT
Are they going to hire a horse and carriage and ride through the streets of Montecito waving at the locals for the next Trooping Of The Colour? I'm going to guess their mini-event today was in response to their request for a wreath at the London event being denied (assuming that's true). I would've thought a heartfelt post or video would suffice, but it feels wrong to knock any ceremony honoring military veterans, even if it's a random photo shoot for two. That said, I'm low-key hoping they'll do exactly what you suggested for Trooping of the Color, because that'd be hilarious. |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 5:49:56 GMT
Your default mode is to find outrage with everything these two do. Why can't Americans seem to understand that having a negative opinion about something or someone is not the same thing as being "outraged," nor is disagreeing about something "offensive" Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of that word, because you don't seem to understand what it means. I'm not hiding the fact that I don't like him at all and I think they are both tacky and make poor choices, but again, that's an opinion, not a favourable one, but just an opinion. If I start a thread, I'm upfront about my opinions on whatever topic I'm posting about, I'm not going to post some passive aggressive bullshit and pretend I'm just posting an photo innocently and hide what I'm really thinking. I know others here do that...but it's not my style. Do you never have discussions where you don't like someone or something...are you always "outraged" about it? I'm guessing that must be your default if that's how you read things. Maybe dial down the voice in your head a bit OK?  Now, if we're talking about Trump and the damage he's done and what he says and what he stands for and the people who voted for him, THEN I'm 100% "outraged" |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Nov 9, 2020 6:15:37 GMT
I’m wondering if he felt he should do something and this is what he came up with.
It isn’t the somber celebration that is occurring in the UK, but since he isn’t in the UK, he had to do something locally.
In the US, our Veterans Day is Wednesday November 11th, but lots of people don’t have Wednesday off and may celebrate the Sunday before.
I’ve always gotten the impression that Harry is a soldier first and wants to respect veterans and those lost during combat. Even if he’s on another continent, he’s going to take a moment or two to pay respects to veterans regardless of where they lived and died.
The fact that he and Megan did anything this weekend is impressive. They could’ve sent poppy flowers on Wednesday and went on their merry way.
The fact the visited tombs of soldiers is impressive to me.
But I’m an American veteran so what do I know?
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2020 7:42:09 GMT
Why can't Americans seem to understand that having a negative opinion about something or someone is not the same thing as being "outraged," nor is disagreeing about something "offensive" Hahaha, I've only been an American for 6 years, so not sure what this means. I do know that Veteran's Day in the US is very different from Remembrance Day in Canada. My impression is that H&M attempted to let him honor his British roots with this event. Your post here is the first I've seen of it. It was not covered at all on our local southern California news. Not sure where you got disagreeing about something is "offensive". I think they are both tacky and make poor choices I'm posting about, I'm not going to post some passive aggressive bullshit and pretend I'm just posting an photo innocently and hide what I'm really thinking. So what is this if it is not passive aggressive bullshit or outrage? Very confused by your POV tonight and what you are really thinking.  And, FWIW, if H&M wanted to create an event, wouldn't they have alerted the media to capture their visit to the Los Angeles National Cemetery? It is very accessible and visible from the 405 freeway. |
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2020 7:54:20 GMT
Harry has never been among my favourite/most respected Royals, but I actually feel a bit sorry for him. So many things since he became engaged, then married, seem to have been ill-advised, the wrong way to go about things. I think a major reason is that Meghan hasn’t grasped that being part of the Royal Family is very different to being a Celebrity, and Harry has gone along with it. Celebrities often seem to do things in order to be noticed, but that is not the ‘Royal way’; neither is right or wrong of course, they are just different. Of course, it could be that Harry is deliberately going after the celebrity-culture, and that is fine if that is what he really wants; but it will be a long time before the British and Commonwealth people will see him in that light. Doing things like this, appearing to want to be part of the Commonwealth way of doing things, but doing them in a ‘celebrity’ manner, can only prolong things and bring even more bad press. He was always going to have a very difficult life even as (or perhaps, especially as) a member of the Royal Family. Right from when he was born, as a 2nd child, he was always going to have a just-in-case position; probably not needed, but needs to be there just in case. With each child that William and Catherine have, his possibility of being needed gets pushed further back and now it is highly unlikely he will be ‘needed’. His options were always going to be limited - there are not many careers, or even just simple jobs, that would be open to him. I am certain the military means a great deal to him, and I can understand him wanting some quiet personal moments around Remembrance Day, but once again, they have gone about it the wrong way as far as Britain and the Commonwealth are concerned. Well said. |
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Post by lesserknownpea on Nov 9, 2020 7:56:07 GMT
OP, you are so delightfully predictable. Well, you and Piers Morgan.
Who, I might add, did not serve, much less see combat.
May I respectfully ask where you saw combat?
I know there is nothing H and M could do that you would not find worth criticizing . Which is nice, as they might as well live their lives as they see fit, knowing they will never measure up.
Harry, as a soldier of 10 years, who has lived his life showing his deep and sincere support for both those who serve now, as well as those who served in the past, chose a way to show his comrades around the world he has not forgotten them. He did it on a day in which he has for his whole life. He did it in a respectful way. HE DID IT IN A WAY THAT BROUGHT HIM COMFORT. His wife was at his side supporting him.
That was really manipulative of Harry to serve 10 years just so he could detract from Kate Middleton’s “stunning” photographs. Wearing a poppy and standing so perfectly still must be tiring and traumatic.
As one who has never served in the military a day in her life, I would never, ever, judge how someone commemorates a day that is so important to them.
And shame on anyone who does.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 8:03:53 GMT
So what is this if it is not passive aggressive OMG do you honestly not understand the concept of passive aggressive? If I have to explain the meaning of every common phrase/concept, then there is no point in trying to have any sort of discussion with you. And how can you not understand what I am thinking when I just spelled it out for you and you quoted it? I don't recall you being this thick before - I must not have been paying attention. |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 9, 2020 8:11:53 GMT
So what is this if it is not passive aggressive OMG do you honestly not understand the concept of passive aggressive? If I have to explain the meaning of every common phrase/concept, then there is no point in trying to have any sort of discussion with you. And how can you not understand what I am thinking when I just spelled it out for you and you quoted it? I don't recall you being this thick before - I must not have been paying attention. hahahahahaha You are correct. You aren't passive aggressive, you are outright aggressive. I apologize for my mischaracterization. |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 8:23:22 GMT
HE DID IT IN A WAY THAT BROUGHT HIM COMFORT  They did it in a way that got them the most cold hard cash and the comfort it brings. Or are you suggesting that comfort is found by dressing up, hiring a photographer and then selling those photos yo media outlets? I would never, ever, judge how someone commemorates a day that is so important to them. Clearly not important enough for him to remain a public servant and a working royal so that he could stay involved. Nope, more important to have the right to sell photos of yourself. And check out social media, I am far from alone in my thoughts about this , I just think it's tacky and cringeworthy but a lots of people who have lost loved ones in wars are upset by this stunt & think it's disrespectful. Here is just one quote: Perhaps you'd also like like to tell this lady she is being "judgy'"? and should be ashamed of herself |
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2020 8:31:01 GMT
I apologize for my mischaracterization. Ah - there it is, it seems you do understand the concept of passive aggressive and you were even able to provide an example. |
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Post by fridaycat on Nov 9, 2020 9:58:15 GMT
Most importantly, did the written sentiment on Harry’s wreath actually read, “To all of those who have served, are are serving. Thank you.”?
If so, Meghan should add ‘proofreader’ to her list of common duties.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 9, 2020 11:26:07 GMT
Eh, he's remembering the fallen and whichever day he chooses doesn't really matter. Remembrance Sunday or Veteran's Day, either is fine. It makes sense as that's what Harry grew up with. I'm assuming that Meghan didn't have a close family member who served, so it makes sense that she would go with Harry's tradition to do this. The photos seem to show them walking between the graves, not on them. American National Cemeteries have few roads and no paths, or at least all the ones I've ever seen (including in Europe). So there's no other way to get to a grave in the center of all the others.
It does seem odd that they would hire a photographer, but eh. I'm not famous or royal. I'm sure it's a struggle to find their way after stepping down. Things that we see as pomp and circumstance are just part of the ordinary life to a royal. It makes sense that Harry would want to keep some of those traditions alive for his own family. I think the big hair flip was when he saw himself as unnecessary, the Family said you are still #6, and he said to get real, I'll never be king. Let me get on with my life. And the Family said take it or leave it, so he left.
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