AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 10, 2020 0:15:50 GMT
Isn't saying she needed to vote Trump to put food on her table quite an over reach? There was no one under threat of going anywhere near hungry. Read my post. If your husband sold widgets (or worked in the oil industry) you would support a candidate who shared your values. I am not over reaching. It is so easy to judge others because their political affiliation is not the same as yours. I just refuse to accept that the Republican party is full of racists and nare-do-wells. We all do what is best for our family. Sorry it is the truth. You know you would do the same . Just because I am a former Republican doesn't makes me a racist. I just happen to believe in pro-choice which some might find abhorrent. Not widgets, but my profession (Deaf education) was changed forever by the invention of the cochlear implant. I could bore you with a detailed history and the cultural politics that makes this a more complicated story, but, bottom line, what would you think if we had pushed against medical innovation so that we could put food on the table? It’s time to accept that the oil industry is both unsustainable and destructive to our planet. Do I have sympathy for the workers? Of course. But I also have sympathy for the gobs of people who have lost their jobs because of outsourcing and foreign manufacturing. The difference seems to be that those industries, for obvious reasons, aren’t shining a light on these jobless people to garner sympathy. They’re just being cast aside. Food on the table only matters when it serves the industry...or the politician. (This post is about two entirely different things. Sorry for the resultant stream of consciousness. Meant to just present my widget, but I learned yesterday that my friend who has worked for thirty years for a major American beverage company will be replaced by somebody in India who they can pay half as much. If we don’t dredge up some much-less-sexy sympathy for that worsening trend, we’ll be left with fewer jobs than a shift in energy will cause. And I see little sympathy for that workforce from the GOP - just some bluster about Made in America from a president who continued to Make in China and support American business that is hellbent on outsourcing. All widgets matter.)
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 10, 2020 0:17:27 GMT
That's exactly what I DO mean. If I worked in the widget industry...or my husband did, I would absolutely not vote for a man like Trump even if he were going to make widgets the most lucrative business on earth. Seriously. I know that you don't believe that, but it doesn't make it not true. There are other things that are way, way more important. I think that is the fundamental difference. I can not understand WHY they would base a vote on that and they can not understand WHY I wouldn't. It might be racism for some, but for others it is the willingness to overlook the consequences for others, in order to have more for yourself. It is not racism for all, but it does take being willing to over look racism, to gain for yourself. That's a price many are willing to pay. Especially when it is others that are doing the paying. It's like asking if a person votes for what will be best for their family or best for society. There are people on each side of that, and both sides have a hard time believing that good people could fall on the other side. Ok. I get that. Thank you for that good explanation! BUT. when it comes right down to it. To lose your house, your car, your living, would you do that? A lot of these jobs are done by uneducated, blue collar workers. There is nothing else out there for them. It's what they know. It's all they know. It's like when you say, if my dh ever had an affair I would divorce his ass in a minute. Well, when it comes right down to it, it often doesn't go that way. It involves more then that. You think you know what you would do, but when reality actually raises it's head. you just do.not.know.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 10, 2020 0:18:57 GMT
AmeliaBloomer is right. All widgets matter. And we have to do a better job of showing people that when their job is outsourced we have another training option available to them.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 10, 2020 0:23:01 GMT
Read my post. If your husband sold widgets (or worked in the oil industry) you would support a candidate who shared your values. I am not over reaching. It is so easy to judge others because their political affiliation is not the same as yours. I just refuse to accept that the Republican party is full of racists and nare-do-wells. We all do what is best for our family. Sorry it is the truth. You know you would do the same . Just because I am a former Republican doesn't makes me a racist. I just happen to believe in pro-choice which some might find abhorrent. That's exactly what I DO mean. If I worked in the widget industry...or my husband did, I would absolutely not vote for a man like Trump even if he were going to make widgets the most lucrative business on earth. Seriously. I know that you don't believe that, but it doesn't make it not true. There are other things that are way, way more important. I think that is the fundamental difference. I can not understand WHY they would base a vote on that and they can not understand WHY I wouldn't. It might be racism for some, but for others it is the willingness to overlook the consequences for others, in order to have more for yourself. It is not racism for all, but it does take being willing to over look racism, to gain for yourself. That's a price many are willing to pay. Especially when it is others that are doing the paying. It's like asking if a person votes for what will be best for their family or best for society. There are people on each side of that, and both sides have a hard time believing that good people could fall on the other side. I believe you - but also know many, many people who for a whole host of reasons feel like the widget industry is the only path for them and without it they could not support their family. I actually have seen people voting their economic interests on both sides of the aisle. If there is one thing I would encourage people to really think about when it comes to a certain segment of blue collar voters - their job isn't just something they do and if this one didn't work out they'd just move on to the next. Their fear of being able to provide for their family, their self worth and a whole lot more is tied into that "job". I've talked some on the board about my father who would absolutely have pulled the lever for Trump no matter what he said or did if he had a D after his name. He will never vote Republican. He believes fundamentally that without the Democratic party and their support of unions he would have never been able to do what he's done in his life. I can understand those on the other side with the same beliefs and fears. It's not trivial. And even if they're fundamentally wrong about what a party can or can't do for any particular industry, if we reduce them to racists - it'll be difficult to have any meaningful progress on healing.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 10, 2020 0:35:03 GMT
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Post by dewryce on Nov 10, 2020 0:39:44 GMT
"I can never see his supporters as anything but racist hateful people with interest only in themselves." This is what you did wrong. I have to agree with this. I had a big discussion with a friend about this very subject. Just because someone voted for Trump does not make them a racist. Yes, there is the whole implied and associated with rhetoric, but it's just not true. At the very least it makes them someone who voted for a candidate and a party who espouse racist views and who enact racist policies, who make the divide worse, not better. That makes them someone who supports racists.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 10, 2020 0:40:43 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 10, 2020 0:40:53 GMT
Can someone explain to me how you can support racism but not be a racist? Pink, do you know any republicans? are they all racist? You do know that republicans are also all ethnicities. They aren't all white people. There are also WOMEN that vote for Trump and I don't get that one either? Also since we are democrats. does that make us all baby killers and communists? it's the same thinking.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2020 0:41:11 GMT
Only 62% of eligible voters voted. It is a huge turnout, but almost a third of the people who could have voted didn't. So HALF the US didn't vote for Trump. Close to 2/3 of eligble voters didn't. Still, the 70 million who did was kind of hard to swallow. Looking at my FB friends, many of the older, white females sided with trump on abortion and saving religion, and then there were more than few who believe what Trump was saying about turning the US into a socialist country. Trump's stories of what Joe would do to the country really effected some people hard. I was shocked that no one brought up gun control. I thought that might end up being a hot button issue. Trump got so much free air time that his nonsense spewed far and wide and I think eventually people just began to believe these things were true. And then there is also the very high ratings at FOX. When you only watch one station as a news source, you tend to believe what they say. I will say that there were a few news anchors who have just had it with Trump on Fox. I don’t recall an election with quite this much misinformation, which seems to be accepted as fact. Many conservatives see and hear very different information than liberals. I also noticed that some on Fox-and the WSJ op-ed page-seemed to break a bit from the Trump crowd. That is a good thing. Maybe a hopeful thing.
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Post by ellaknits on Nov 10, 2020 0:42:58 GMT
I think I'd say that one mistake lots of people make is thinking any group - republicans, democrats, Latinos, women, working class voters, any group you can think of - are a monolith. They simply are not. People vote the ways they do for a variety of reasons. You can't slap a label on huge swaths of people and think it's going to hold most of the time, it just won't work. But I will also say that while people who support Trump may not be actively racist, racism is clearly not a deal breaker for them. That is undeniable. Indecency is not a deal breaker for them. Making fun of/mocking developmentally disabled people is not a deal breaker. Groping women and bragging about it, not a deal breaker. Lying 20,000+ times, not a deal breaker. Putting yourself and your interests above the nation you are leading, not a problem. Filling your cabinet with unqualified family, millionaires and billionaires, no problem. Denying science, not paying your fair share of taxes or releasing your tax returns to the American people, no problem. Having foreign bank accounts, having your businesses declare bankruptcy, cheating on spouses, having the character of a cartoon villain, not a single issue. There is no malfeasance about this dude that makes any difference whatsoever, apparently. That said, people vote for him for all kinds of reasons that serve them and none of the above or any of the other possibly even criminal behavior about him matter - as long as their paycheck or 401k grows or he packs the courts with justices that will decide abortion the way they want or he keeps the Southern strategy alive or whatever his agenda is that they like. As long as they get theirs/their agenda is served, whatever that may be. Some people might fancy they are worried about the economy and that they are decent folks - but you have look past a lot of really revolting, diabolical shit to get to that place, and I frankly cannot understand that. I am being utterly genuine when I say that. I cannot understand that perspective.
ETA I'm all ranty, I was still reading page 2 and the convo has moved on....sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 0:45:51 GMT
AmeliaBloomer is right. All widgets matter. And we have to do a better job of showing people that when their job is outsourced we have another training option available to them. NO! Widgets change. Should we have tried to save all the Blockbuster Video jobs?!? How about the Blackberry jobs?!??! Jobs change. The JOB is important. Not the widget. I think that's what you're trying to say, but NOT all widgets matter. The important thing is to find things for people to do (like renewable energy instead of fossil fuels - www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2019/04/22/renewable-energy-job-boom-creating-economic-opportunity-as-coal-industry-slumps/). And to make work (more social workers, more teachers, more mental health counselors, more artists, etc) when we've automated the crap out of a lot of jobs and offshored the rest.
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Post by dewryce on Nov 10, 2020 0:48:07 GMT
Isn't saying she needed to vote Trump to put food on her table quite an over reach? There was no one under threat of going anywhere near hungry. Read my post. If your husband sold widgets (or worked in the oil industry) you would support a candidate who shared your values. I am not over reaching. It is so easy to judge others because their political affiliation is not the same as yours. I just refuse to accept that the Republican party is full of racists and nare-do-wells. We all do what is best for our family. Sorry it is the truth. You know you would do the same . Just because I am a former Republican doesn't makes me a racist. I just happen to believe in pro-choice which some might find abhorrent. If, by what is best for our family, you mean vote for the candidate that shares our values, then yes that is true. However, if you are referring strictly to which candidate will have a better effect on our employment regardless of their other attributes and policies, that would be completely false for a lot of people, myself included.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 10, 2020 0:48:24 GMT
I've talked some on the board about my father who would absolutely have pulled the lever for Trump no matter what he said or did if he had a D after his name. He will never vote Republican. He believes fundamentally that without the Democratic party and their support of unions he would have never been able to do what he's done in his life. I can understand those on the other side with the same beliefs and fears. It's not trivial. And even if they're fundamentally wrong about what a party can or can't do for any particular industry, if we reduce them to racists - it'll be difficult to have any meaningful progress on healing. This!! Why would a republican look at, listen too, or reflect on ANYTHING a Democrat has to say, as long as we are calling them racists??
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 10, 2020 0:51:35 GMT
And to make work (more social workers, more teachers, more mental health counselors, more artists, etc) when we've automated the crap out of a lot of jobs and offshored the rest. This made me LOL. I just can't see a bunch of redneck republican loggers being any of those things. You're going to have to think up better jobs for them.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Nov 10, 2020 0:51:48 GMT
I'm a lifelong democrat and am dismayed that half of the votes came in for Trump. That's practically a civil war split, because no resolution could come between the two. I can never accept Trump and the actions of his party. I can never see his supporters as anything but racist hateful people with interest only in themselves. This includes family and friends of mine, who I know to be exactly that. Joe Biden may be president of all America, but he can never give voice to the republican voters who express and continue to spew their hate a they have the past 4 years. I really have come to believe we were on the verge of another Nazi Regime and he was Hitler. How can that ever be reconciled? Here is the quote...the bold is mine. So just basing it on what one person said, huh? The truth of the matter is trump has repeatedly shown himself to be a racist. So anyone voting for him is either also a racist or racism does not bother them enough to vote differently. I wish republicans would stand up and take their party back. But again, enough people have to be bothered enough by the lying, cheating, immoral, illegal, etc behavior. I am a moderate and not opposed to R candidates, but I am vehemently opposed to everything trump stands for and his plan for our country.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 10, 2020 0:51:56 GMT
AmeliaBloomer is right. All widgets matter. And we have to do a better job of showing people that when their job is outsourced we have another training option available to them. NO! Widgets change. Should we have tried to save all the Blockbuster Video jobs?!? How about the Blackberry jobs?!??! Jobs change. The JOB is important. Not the widget. I think that's what you're trying to say, but NOT all widgets matter. The important thing is to find things for people to do (like renewable energy instead of fossil fuels - www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2019/04/22/renewable-energy-job-boom-creating-economic-opportunity-as-coal-industry-slumps/). And to make work (more social workers, more teachers, more mental health counselors, more artists, etc) when we've automated the crap out of a lot of jobs and offshored the rest. That was my phrase, not jeremysgirl ‘s. Blame me. I sacrificed precise for fun-and-figurative-with-a-cultural-edge, but we are on the same page as you.
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Post by MichyM on Nov 10, 2020 1:03:18 GMT
I’m not going to call anyone anything. I am having a very difficult time reconciling the fact that after 4 years of trump in office and showing us EXACTLY who he is and what he stands for, that 70 million people still voted for him to be the American president. It’s unforgivable in my mind, and I don’t know that I’ll ever truly “get over it.” I honestly thought Americans were more evolved than that. To be clear, it goes far beyond republicans and democrats. I apologize for my part in derailing your thread elaine. Truly. After the last 6 days, I just had to get that out.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2020 1:09:57 GMT
Can someone explain to me how you can support racism but not be a racist? Pink, do you know any republicans? are they all racist? You do know that republicans are also all ethnicities. They aren't all white people. There are also WOMEN that vote for Trump and I don't get that one either? Also since we are democrats. does that make us all baby killers and communists? it's the same thinking. It’s actually not. Some Republicans are card-carrying KKK members, and their party leader is advised by avowed white nationalists. There are no Democrats who are actual baby-killers (that’s a false label applied by abortion opponents) or Communists (which is actually a different political party entirely). Both sides-ism is dangerous.
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Post by myboysnme on Nov 10, 2020 1:24:57 GMT
Just because someone voted for Trump does not make them a racist. I disagree. I believe a vote for Trump is a vote for overt racism. I believe I could be in a conversation with any Trump voter, just them and me with them not knowing my beliefs, and I could have them spewing racism in less than 15 minutes.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 10, 2020 1:33:30 GMT
Only 62% of eligible voters voted. It is a huge turnout, but almost a third of the people who could have voted didn't. So HALF the US didn't vote for Trump. Close to 2/3 of eligble voters didn't. Still, the 70 million who did was kind of hard to swallow. Looking at my FB friends, many of the older, white females sided with trump on abortion and saving religion, and then there were more than few who believe what Trump was saying about turning the US into a socialist country. Trump's stories of what Joe would do to the country really effected some people hard. I was shocked that no one brought up gun control. I thought that might end up being a hot button issue. Trump got so much free air time that his nonsense spewed far and wide and I think eventually people just began to believe these things were true. And then there is also the very high ratings at FOX. When you only watch one station as a news source, you tend to believe what they say. I will say that there were a few news anchors who have just had it with Trump on Fox. I don’t recall an election with quite this much misinformation, which seems to be accepted as fact. Many conservatives see and hear very different information than liberals. I also noticed that some on Fox-and the WSJ op-ed page-seemed to break a bit from the Trump crowd. That is a good thing. Maybe a hopeful thing. I think the President gave out more misinformation than any new station I saw. He really thinks if he says it enough, it becomes a fact. Most of my friends are conservatives. We have learned to either not talk about some topics or listen to learn. To be honest, most of the things they say, I can understand why they believe them because they limit their new sources. I did like that when Rudy G. started spewing his new conspiracy theory that most people didn't give it much of a thought. It got shot down pretty quickly from both sides (to a degree).
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Post by mikewozowski on Nov 10, 2020 1:38:20 GMT
^ this may work with some people but definitely not all, as you say. that's completely ridiculous.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2020 1:47:38 GMT
I don’t recall an election with quite this much misinformation, which seems to be accepted as fact. Many conservatives see and hear very different information than liberals. I also noticed that some on Fox-and the WSJ op-ed page-seemed to break a bit from the Trump crowd. That is a good thing. Maybe a hopeful thing. I think the President gave out more misinformation than any new station I saw. He really thinks if he says it enough, it becomes a fact. Most of my friends are conservatives. We have learned to either not talk about some topics or listen to learn. To be honest, most of the things they say, I can understand why they believe them because they limit their new sources. I did like that when Rudy G. started spewing his new conspiracy theory that most people didn't give it much of a thought. It got shot down pretty quickly from both sides (to a degree). Yes, he’s a big part of the problem. And his base loves him, so they believe what he says. But the Rush Limbaughs and Tucker Carlsons also spread a lot of misinformation. I listen to Rush in the car, and it is shocking how often he says something untrue, and then says “Don’t doubt me!” It is amazing.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 10, 2020 1:48:46 GMT
I think the President gave out more misinformation than any new station I saw. He really thinks if he says it enough, it becomes a fact. Most of my friends are conservatives. We have learned to either not talk about some topics or listen to learn. To be honest, most of the things they say, I can understand why they believe them because they limit their new sources. I did like that when Rudy G. started spewing his new conspiracy theory that most people didn't give it much of a thought. It got shot down pretty quickly from both sides (to a degree). Yes, he’s a big part of the problem. And his base loves him, so they believe what he says. But the Rush Limbaughs and Tucker Carlsons also spread a lot of misinformation. I listen to Rush in the car, and it is shocking how often he says something untrue, and then says “Don’t doubt me!” It is amazing. I can't listen to either of them.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2020 1:52:18 GMT
I think I'd say that one mistake lots of people make is thinking any group - republicans, democrats, Latinos, women, working class voters, any group you can think of - are a monolith. They simply are not. People vote the ways they do for a variety of reasons. You can't slap a label on huge swaths of people and think it's going to hold most of the time, it just won't work. But I will also say that while people who support Trump may not be actively racist, racism is clearly not a deal breaker for them. That is undeniable. Indecency is not a deal breaker for them. Making fun of/mocking developmentally disabled people is not a deal breaker. Groping women and bragging about it, not a deal breaker. Lying 20,000+ times, not a deal breaker. Putting yourself and your interests above the nation you are leading, not a problem. Filling your cabinet with unqualified family, millionaires and billionaires, no problem. Denying science, not paying your fair share of taxes or releasing your tax returns to the American people, no problem. Having foreign bank accounts, having your businesses declare bankruptcy, cheating on spouses, having the character of a cartoon villain, not a single issue. There is no malfeasance about this dude that makes any difference whatsoever, apparently. That said, people vote for him for all kinds of reasons that serve them and none of the above or any of the other possibly even criminal behavior about him matter - as long as their paycheck or 401k grows or he packs the courts with justices that will decide abortion the way they want or he keeps the Southern strategy alive or whatever his agenda is that they like. As long as they get theirs/their agenda is served, whatever that may be. Some people might fancy they are worried about the economy and that they are decent folks - but you have look past a lot of really revolting, diabolical shit to get to that place, and I frankly cannot understand that. I am being utterly genuine when I say that. I cannot understand that perspective.
ETA I'm all ranty, I was still reading page 2 and the convo has moved on....sorry. Exactly!!! MichyM I agree with you, too. I feel the same way. I really don't like feeling so bitter towards people, especially acquaintances that I see regularly, but at this point I am really having a hard time seeing it differently. I think I am saying the same thing that R's are saying--They value other things over all of what is listed above, but they don't see that as a problem. I do. And that is where the conflict in my conscience lies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 2:07:50 GMT
I just can't see a bunch of redneck republican loggers being any of those things. You're underestimating them. There are MANY things they could do.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2020 2:22:27 GMT
Yes, he’s a big part of the problem. And his base loves him, so they believe what he says. But the Rush Limbaughs and Tucker Carlsons also spread a lot of misinformation. I listen to Rush in the car, and it is shocking how often he says something untrue, and then says “Don’t doubt me!” It is amazing. I can't listen to either of them. They’re awful. I listen sporadically to see what lines they are pushing.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 10, 2020 2:27:13 GMT
This is my 5th election at NSBR. After each election, there is *always* at least one thread calling for a discussion of what the losing party did wrong and what they could do to gain votes for the next election. There is usually some pushback by the losing party board members who are still licking their wounds. And some gloating by winning party board members. But there have always been these threads. It has been fascinating to see the absence of that/those threads. Because the answer as to why the Republican ticket lost is so obvious: Trump. It isn’t about disenfranchised pockets of voters due to some aspect of the party platform. It isn’t be Republicans didn’t come out to vote. It is because Trump. And everyone knows it. Instead, interestingly enough, we are left with more discussion (and well we should talk about this) about what the Democrats did wrong that led to so many people to vote Republican despite Trump. So, even though the Democratic ticket won, it is CLEAR that the Democratic Party has much work to do. And there is no point in having those traditional discussions about the Republican Party as long as they have decided publicly that their platform is whatever Trump says it is. Anyhow, we live in unprecedented times. And that is even reflected at NSBR where even our post-election threads are different than they have been before. We’ve been discussing this in my circles. The consensus among the conservatives has been that they don’t want rampant immigration and don’t want to foot the bill for immigrants to receive medical, for example, when they and their families do not. They want law and order and a police department that is intact. But they don’t like Trump, so they voted for all down party except him.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 10, 2020 2:32:27 GMT
I just can't see a bunch of redneck republican loggers being any of those things. You're underestimating them. There are MANY things they could do. Like?? I am surrounded by them. I think you should come meet a few. Then get back to me. Ask Kristin and Edie, they’ve met a few in my Facebook page... ha!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 2:37:29 GMT
You're underestimating them. There are MANY things they could do. Like?? I am surrounded by them. I think you should come meet a few. Then get back to me. Ask Kristin and Edie, they’ve met a few in my Facebook page... ha! Like rebuilding roads. Like rebuilding waterways and bridges. Like rebuilding airports and runways. Like rebuilding schools..... "Our infrastructure is already in terrible shape due to deferred maintenance and poor investment. The American Society of Civil Engineers estimates it will take $3.6 trillion to repair our country’s crumbling roads, rails, pipes, and power grids. But we can’t just build it back as it was. For the true spirit of the Green New Deal—economic transformation rooted in sustainability and social justice—to come to fruition, we’ll have to rescript our future through new infrastructure. And this infrastructure will be about unbuilding our mistakes as much as it is building an equitable, just, and sustainable future." archive.curbed.com/2019/9/19/20872719/green-new-deal-infrastructure-designGet it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 2:48:42 GMT
"I can never see his supporters as anything but racist hateful people with interest only in themselves." This is what you did wrong. I have to agree with this. I had a big discussion with a friend about this very subject. Just because someone voted for Trump does not make them a racist. Yes, there is the whole implied and associated with rhetoric, but it's just not true. I've been thinking a lot about this kind of rhetoric too as I follow a few talking heads online who I consider centrist and focus their critique on their perceived problems of the left. Both sides seem to sling these extreme characterizations and I understand it's from feeling frustrated. I feel like society is on a pendulum and I think the left appears unhinged to some because they are sick of the slow pace of gaining rights in certain areas while they are told to be patient. And then when they throw what is perceived as a social justice trantrum, the right push back just as hard because they feel their rights are being assaulted. Where does it begin and end? So to anyone who feels unjustly called a racist, understand the rhethoric you engage in by calling people socialists when they want healthcare for all. And how about understanding that women who want control over their own reproductive systems aren't baby murderers. ...and the list goes on...
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