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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 29, 2020 3:40:29 GMT
After you watch the video below, what is your take away? Do you feel at the end that this was discrimination against a disabled person? Granted this video starts a bit into the interaction. And it’s hard to hear what all parties are saying sometimes. But the gist, if you don’t/can’t play it, is that a family is being asked to leave AMC Theater because they won’t/can’t put a mask on their special needs daughter. She looks like she might be possibly around 10 yo. www.instagram.com/tv/CJW7NmvljW4/?igshid=44t53ovwg2e7Mild backstory. A friend since childhood posted this. Her youngest child has Down Syndrome. She is extremely far right, virus is just a cold, masks are government control, defends trump, super anti abortion and tends to repost a lot of the far right conspiracy theory Q Anon stuff. None of it from reputable news sources. I have never engaged with her on any topics. I’m sure, by my posts, she thinks I’m going to hell. I’m trying to step out of my obviously opposite feelings politically, on this video. The virus isn’t political like she makes it to be. Because yes, asking a disabled person to leave, under normal circumstances, for no reason would be discrimination. But they are asking them to leave/refusing service because they won’t put a mask on their child/ or they can’t because she will not react well. I understand how difficult it can be doing simple everyday tasks with a special needs child. BUUUUUT they are not asking them to leave because she is special needs, it’s because she can’t/won’t wear a mask and they have an entire theater of patrons to protect. The family just keeps repeatedly saying they are discriminating against a disabled minor. They can’t seem to understand these are two separate issues. The virus does not care who it infects, wouldn’t they want to protect their daughter if she can’t wear a mask and keep her away from crowds? I would see the virus as exceptionally different circumstances and would hope I would feel that the safety of all would supersede a movie that can be watched at home. Am I an asshole? |
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Post by librarylady on Dec 29, 2020 3:45:14 GMT
If you are an asshole, then I am sitting on the asshole bench with you.
It is not discriminating to enforce the mask rule. It is protecting society. I am shocked that they are no protecting the child by having her wear a mask. My great nephew is autistic and ADD/HD and he manages a mask at age 6 (much to my surprise).
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Post by christine58 on Dec 29, 2020 3:48:45 GMT
My almost 3-year-old great nephew is on the autism spectrum and he wore a mask much to his chagrin on a plane ride from Florida to Buffalo. This is not discrimination because rules are rules and they should’ve been asked to leave.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 29, 2020 3:57:17 GMT
Parents have failed their child. They should have been practicing wearing masks at home. Let her pick out one she likes etc. Masks are mostly for the protection of other people, but they also protect those who are wearing them..
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Post by RosieKat on Dec 29, 2020 3:59:32 GMT
I think I agree that it is not discrimination.
It reminds me of having a discussion about racism with DS when he was pretty little. (DS is biracial, black/white.) There was a kid in his class who didn't like to play with him because they liked different things. DS said that was racism. I had to explain that not liking someone of a different race is not racism, it's if you don't like them BECAUSE of their race.
The family was asked to leave because they did not all wear masks as per the law/corporate policy/whatever reason that was applied across the board. They were not asked to leave because of her disability. It is hazy, though. I mean, if she had a letter from a doctor saying she couldn't wear one, how would that affect anything, I wonder? And the way we generally treat someone with a disability is by accepting their word - we don't require someone in a wheelchair to prove they can't walk, for example. I'm glad I'm not the one who has to figure all of these things out.
Having said that, if I had a person in my family who couldn't wear a mask for whatever reason, then I wouldn't be taking them anyplace one was required. (And for the record, my daughter with asthma has only been out with a mask and has had very little in the way of unnecessary outings since last March, so I'm not preaching about something I'm not willing to do.)
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 29, 2020 4:05:58 GMT
Okay I’m glad I wasn’t seeing it from a jaded perspective because of her other posts.
I mean it sucks. I’m sorry the little girl didn’t get to see her movie, but it’d suck a lot more if she got sick or others got sick. The virus is a dick.
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Post by elaine on Dec 29, 2020 4:27:53 GMT
Ds2 has autism and is intellectually disabled. For the first 9.5 months of the pandemic, he refused to wear a mask. Screaming, tantrums, etc. We let him pick out masks, they read social stories about wearing masks daily during online school, his ABA therapist talked with him about it, he watched the rest of us wear them. He still refused.
So, we didn’t take him anywhere indoors or with a mask requirement.
I would never expect anyone to have to be around him without his mask on - and if they didn’t want to be, or if we had brought him someplace with a mask requirement and we were asked to leave, that would not be discrimination.
Thank heaven, when his small special school was reopened at the end of September, he wanted to go back to school so badly that he was willing to wear a mask. Now he will wear one when he needs to, even though school was shut down again due to the numbers.
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Post by candleangie on Dec 29, 2020 4:42:02 GMT
In Oregon folks who cannot tolerate a mask for a variety of medical reasons are exempt from the requirement. So in our state, yes, it would be inappropriate for them to ask the family to leave.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 29, 2020 4:45:27 GMT
elaine glad DS likes school and got to go back to something he enjoys. One of my nieces is autistic and has severe sensory issues and would not wear a mask till her grandmother made her one out of a silk material with the bands that tie around the head versus go around the ears. Introducing anything new is a struggle. So I truly sympathize. I just wish that family didn’t take it as a discrimination and understood it was for the health of everyone. They’re probably suing AMC. 🤦🏻♀️
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 29, 2020 4:46:37 GMT
In Oregon folks who cannot tolerate a mask for a variety of medical reasons are exempt from the requirement. So in our state, yes, it would be inappropriate for them to ask the family to leave. We have the same exemption in OK. But it is still up to the business to decide what they allow since they are private property. |
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Post by georgiapea on Dec 29, 2020 5:09:07 GMT
I know someone with a 10 yo autistic son,and she refuses to wear a mask or to have him wear one. She says he wouldn't wear it but I feel she's not trying because she doesn't want to wear one either. They repeatedly go into stores where mask requirements are posted and has never been stopped. She feels mask requirements are a form of government control and people should show they won't allow it. I really hope if a situation ever arises she won't claim discrimination.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Dec 29, 2020 5:09:43 GMT
In Oregon folks who cannot tolerate a mask for a variety of medical reasons are exempt from the requirement. So in our state, yes, it would be inappropriate for them to ask the family to leave. But it’s not for a medical reason. It’s because the disabled child doesn’t want to wear one, not because it would medically incapacitate her in any way. Here’s a test. Replace “mask” with “clothing” and tell me that you’d be okay with a family bringing their naked 10 year old to the theater because the child gets upset and refuses to wear clothing. Would the parents try alternatives in keeping their child clothed or would they demand to be seated in a public theater? |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 29, 2020 5:23:50 GMT
In Oregon folks who cannot tolerate a mask for a variety of medical reasons are exempt from the requirement. So in our state, yes, it would be inappropriate for them to ask the family to leave. That’s not exactly true, though. They may be exempt from the government mandate, but the private business is still entitled to make and enforce whatever mask rules they want. So, if the business says no exemptions, the business doesn’t have to give exemptions. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 6:10:11 GMT
If my son, who has Autism, SPD, Medical PTSD, previous Pulmonary Hypertension, MR/LD, and Seizures can wear a mask, than her child can too!
It took us about 2 weeks of playing dress up and pretending to be firemen while watching his fireman movies to get him to be comfortable enough to wear one.
He now has a collection of masks.
I do sometimes have to have him pull it down due to speech articulation/ect issues so I can hear him but he happily wears it!
And he has moderate medical ptsd.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 29, 2020 11:21:08 GMT
No one has a “right” to watch a movie. If the theater has a mask policy, comply or stay home.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Dec 29, 2020 11:29:04 GMT
No one has a “right” to watch a movie. If the theater has a mask policy, comply or stay home.  My DS has autism. Due to his sensory issues, I knew wearing a mask would be tough for him. Since our school district is everyone wears a mask, no excuses, I had him practice before going back to school. I let him pick out the masks that he was comfortable wearing then each day we wore it longer. Sorry, but it’s not about just your kid, it’s about if your kid carries the virus to someone else. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 29, 2020 11:56:08 GMT
I don't think this is discrimination either.
My son with autism has been the exact opposite on mask wearing. He has sensory issues, clothing issues too. and he wears a mask nearly all the time because he doesn't want to be exposed to anyone's germs. He's very strict about it.
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Post by schizo319 on Dec 29, 2020 12:21:23 GMT
I couldn't watch 8+ minutes of masked mumbling, but I think that disabled people in general want to be treated just like anyone else (I know that was the case with my disabled dad and the clients that I worked with at a group home in college). This is not discrimination - everyone is required to wear a mask at the theater.
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Post by Really Red on Dec 29, 2020 13:10:38 GMT
If my son, who has Autism, SPD, Medical PTSD, previous Pulmonary Hypertension, MR/LD, and Seizures can wear a mask, than her child can too! It took us about 2 weeks of playing dress up and pretending to be firemen while watching his fireman movies to get him to be comfortable enough to wear one. He now has a collection of masks. I do sometimes have to have him pull it down due to speech articulation/ect issues so I can hear him but he happily wears it! And he has moderate medical ptsd.  Yes. Way to go Sunny! |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 29, 2020 13:15:56 GMT
Ds2 has autism and is intellectually disabled. For the first 9.5 months of the pandemic, he refused to wear a mask. Screaming, tantrums, etc. We let him pick out masks, they read social stories about wearing masks daily during online school, his ABA therapist talked with him about it, he watched the rest of us wear them. He still refused. So, we didn’t take him anywhere indoors or with a mask requirement. I would never expect anyone to have to be around him without his mask on - and if they didn’t want to be, or if we had brought him someplace with a mask requirement and we were asked to leave, that would not be discrimination. Thank heaven, when his small special school was reopened at the end of September, he wanted to go back to school so badly that he was willing to wear a mask. Now he will wear one when he needs to, even though school was shut down again due to the numbers. My 56 yo intellectually-disabled brother with autism didn’t want to wear a mask either. For months, he would ask to go somewhere, and when Mom pulled out the mask he would change his mind. He finally got desperate enough to get out of the house that he agreed to the mask, and since then it’s been no big deal. It was inconvenient for Mom because she couldn’t go anywhere unless she had someone available to stay home with him, but no mask meant he couldn’t go, and he knew it. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 29, 2020 13:45:31 GMT
In Oregon folks who cannot tolerate a mask for a variety of medical reasons are exempt from the requirement. So in our state, yes, it would be inappropriate for them to ask the family to leave. Our state has that exemption as well. However, I have been in stores where an employee was talking to someone at the door who wouldn’t wear a mask. I obviously didn’t hear the whole conversation but I did hear the employee saying that the store is private property and they have a mask requirement for all. So, it seems that the company’s policy could trump that of the state. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Dec 29, 2020 13:56:57 GMT
I think this falls under ‘your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins’.
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Post by claudia123 on Dec 29, 2020 14:07:57 GMT
I guess I'm the odd one out but i do think it's disability discrimination. If people legitimatley cant wear a mask because of a disability, we shouldnt be able to prevent them taking part in society, even if we deem the activities non essential. Otherwise we're stepping onto a very slippery slope in my opinion, disabled people shouldnt have to be locked up at home indefinitely if they can't wear a mask, i dont think that is proportionate to the risk.
For what its worth i live in the Uk and private businesses here are not allowed to prevent people who are mask exempt from entering, due to discrimination laws so that may influence my thoughts.
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Post by phoenixcov on Dec 29, 2020 14:30:18 GMT
I am disabled and have made my own decisions about my own health (as I always have).
Nobody has forced me to stay home this year, it has been my own choice based on what I can and can`t do in my daily life..
These parents are wrong to use their daughter to get their own way and the cinema was right to enforce the rules.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 29, 2020 15:05:33 GMT
I guess I'm the odd one out but i do think it's disability discrimination. If people legitimatley cant wear a mask because of a disability, we shouldnt be able to prevent them taking part in society, even if we deem the activities non essential. Otherwise we're stepping onto a very slippery slope in my opinion, disabled people shouldnt have to be locked up at home indefinitely if they can't wear a mask, i dont think that is proportionate to the risk. For what its worth i live in the Uk and private businesses here are not allowed to prevent people who are mask exempt from entering, due to discrimination laws so that may influence my thoughts. In the US, discrimination law says the business only has to offer the disabled person a “reasonable” accommodation. It does not have to be the accommodation that person wants or asks for. So, for example, a store could offer a person who can’t wear a mask curbside pickup or home delivery. That would be enough to satisfy the law. The store need not let the person come inside maskless, as that is not considered a reasonable accommodation. |
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Post by claudia123 on Dec 29, 2020 15:09:56 GMT
I guess I'm the odd one out but i do think it's disability discrimination. If people legitimatley cant wear a mask because of a disability, we shouldnt be able to prevent them taking part in society, even if we deem the activities non essential. Otherwise we're stepping onto a very slippery slope in my opinion, disabled people shouldnt have to be locked up at home indefinitely if they can't wear a mask, i dont think that is proportionate to the risk. For what its worth i live in the Uk and private businesses here are not allowed to prevent people who are mask exempt from entering, due to discrimination laws so that may influence my thoughts. In the US, discrimination law says the business only has to offer the disabled person a “reasonable” accommodation. It does not have to be the accommodation that person wants or asks for. So, for example, a store could offer a person who can’t wear a mask curbside pickup or home delivery. That would be enough to satisfy the law. The store need not let the person come inside maskless, as that is not considered a reasonable accommodation. Then isnt the example in the op discrimination as they weren't able to be offered a reasonable accommodation and were instead asked to leave? |
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Post by shescrafty on Dec 29, 2020 15:11:43 GMT
I think there are 2 separate issues.
Denying based on a disability-if they Told the family or the child that she could not come in because she was in a wheelchair and could not sit in a typical movie seat, that would be discrimination. If they would not let her in at all simply because she was in a wheelchair or autistic, that would be discrimination.
So the mask issue is a separate one – they are not saying that the person in the wheelchair cannot enter, they are saying that everybody needs to wear a mask. The mom kept throwing in things like race But if they said only people of color had to wear a mask then that would be discrimination. Stating that any person that comes into the theater needs to have a mask on is not discrimination in my opinion.
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Post by claudia123 on Dec 29, 2020 15:12:23 GMT
Just wanted to add that I'm neither an anti masker nor disabled so do wear my mask wherever required but i understand thats not possible for everyone.
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Post by katybee on Dec 29, 2020 15:12:47 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Dec 29, 2020 15:13:03 GMT
In the US, discrimination law says the business only has to offer the disabled person a “reasonable” accommodation. It does not have to be the accommodation that person wants or asks for. So, for example, a store could offer a person who can’t wear a mask curbside pickup or home delivery. That would be enough to satisfy the law. The store need not let the person come inside maskless, as that is not considered a reasonable accommodation. Then isnt the example in the op discrimination as they weren't able to be offered a reasonable accommodation and were instead asked to leave? No. The OCR and the courts have repeatedly said that being allowed to enter a business maskless is NOT a reasonable accommodation and businesses are therefore not required to do it. |
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Yes. Way to go Sunny! 
