styxgirl
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Post by styxgirl on Nov 11, 2014 17:21:04 GMT
Here, just copy and paste this letter ... Don't forget to change the names to your family though! ;-) (Sounds like it's time to change it up into something you enjoy!)
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Post by grate on Nov 11, 2014 17:29:58 GMT
I think you have to SEND
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Nink
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Post by Nink on Nov 11, 2014 17:38:02 GMT
I really do want to send that text. Or better yet, how about "Since I only see you twice a year, we've moved. Have a happy holiday!" Gee, I'm really struggling with this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world that thinks this way. A little back story here... I started cooking Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner for my immediate family and extended family about 12 years ago. I think I took over when someone decided to serve sub sandwiches and BBB beans on china. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Who does that? Anyway, I offered to take the job over. So, for Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve I cook for 35+ people. Full dinner service with tablescapes that I go all out on. People bring their extended families, many never rsvp and no one except my dad and kids bring anything. There's no help in cleanup either from this extended group. Last year a group came an hour early since they were going to the movies. An hour early! Yeah they never rsvp'd and ate all the appetizers because the turkey wasn't done. I was still in my sweats and no where near ready for guests. They left dirty plates on the main table and actually ended up breaking one crystal goblet. To which I was told, oh well if you can afford that stuff... Never mind the fact that I saved for it and have bought pieces over the last 10 years are so. Over the years I've always purchased gifts for the kids that come. These extended families never bring for my grandkids, but for the other extended family. So last year I didn't give out gifts to them. Of course I didn't see the look on their faces because I spent the whole time doing dishes. By the time I was finished most of them had left. If you've followed me this far thanks. Actually as I reread this I should easily be able to send that text. Someone who wants to get out of doing the dinners.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2014 17:39:51 GMT
I honestly think you have done this to yourself. If you don't want to host any more, then don't, but there is no need to send a snarky text or email. You are the one who didn't think subs and baked beans were good enough, you are the one who didn't request everyone to bring something, you are the one who decided to give gifts to the kids (it doesn't sound like any type of gift exchange was discussed at least). Regardless of how the OP got there, the fact is that she's in this situation now and seems to want to find a way to politely excuse herself from it. From what she wrote, she has very quietly tolerated quite a lot of rudeness without calling anyone out on it and now she's just done. There is nothing wrong with wanting to have a nice holiday meal, and there is nothing wrong with expecting one's guests to be at least a little bit appreciative of that effort especially if none of them are offering to step up to reciprocate occasionally. Since all of these people are now accustomed to being hosted in her home for the holidays, sending an email or text to let them know that she is no longer doing it so they can all find other places to go is the right thing to do. She seems to me to be generous and gracious to have put up with what she has for so long. I think if she was actually going to be snarky about it I doubt she would have asked us our opinion, she would have just done it.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 11, 2014 17:43:00 GMT
Stop being a martyr and make a change. if you choose to continue, but dole out the clean up DON'T MAKE ALL THE WOMEN CLEAN UP! That pisses me off to no end. everyone can help including men and children.
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The Birdhouse Lady
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 11, 2014 17:47:55 GMT
If somebody broke one of my glasses the owner of the shit that did it would not leave until they paid for it unless it was some horrible accident. Time to go out for a nice meal. Good freakin' lord. Just for the record, when guests come to my home, I understand that things may be broken from time to time. I would no more expect a guest to pay for a broken piece of crystal than I would expect them to pay for the food I serve. I was thinking the same thing! That is just nuts!
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 11, 2014 17:48:32 GMT
Good freakin' lord. Just for the record, when guests come to my home, I understand that things may be broken from time to time. I would no more expect a guest to pay for a broken piece of crystal than I would expect them to pay for the food I serve. I was thinking the same thing! That is just nuts! Okay good. I'm not crazy for thinking that's an over the top reaction.
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Post by llinin on Nov 11, 2014 17:49:19 GMT
Lord there are some harsh people. It is family. Two weeks before a holiday and you are going to disinvite everyone? Some of these suggestions are way over the top. Don't tell them and let them show up to an empty house? WTH? Who does that??
IMHO, cancelling a holiday 2 weeks prior, unless there is an emergency, is a total dick move. They are family. They are more important than your fricking glass and your fancy tablescape. Buy some paper plates, ask folks to bring stuff, and drink a glass of wine and chill out a little.
If you want to cancel next year, do it early enough that people aren't left out in the cold.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 11, 2014 17:49:59 GMT
Lord there are some harsh people. It is family. Two weeks before a holiday and you are going to disinvite everyone? Some of these suggestions are way over the top. Don't tell them and let them show up to an empty house? WTH? Who does that?? IMHO, cancelling a holiday 2 weeks prior, unless there is an emergency, is a total dick move. They are family. They are more important than your fricking glass and your fancy tablescape. Buy some paper plates, ask folks to bring stuff, and drink a glass of wine and chill out a little. If you want to cancel next year, do it early enough that people aren't left out in the cold. Happy Thanksgiving! And you're not being harsh? I'm reading a lot of pot calling the kettle black here.
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Post by peabay on Nov 11, 2014 17:52:43 GMT
I do a huge Christmas Eve every year - Feast of the Seven Fishes, tons of food, desserts, wine. It's a HUGE undertaking.
Once every food item has been prepared and served, I sit my fat keister down and let everyone else take over. If you're not going to help clean up, you are not invited. Plain and simple. I have 70 year old men doing dishes and I don't feel badly at all.
All that being said, my dh is the one that says: "Okay, everyone. Up and help." I think you need someone to intervene and get the armies moving. If you don't have that, you're stuck with what you've always had.
Good luck!
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Post by whopea on Nov 11, 2014 17:52:45 GMT
Stop being a martyr and make a change. if you choose to continue, but dole out the clean up DON'T MAKE ALL THE WOMEN CLEAN UP! That pisses me off to no end. everyone can help including men and children. If this is in response to my comment about having a list and asking for help since there were only women's names listed, lighten up. It was just an example. Of course everyone can help.
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Post by llinin on Nov 11, 2014 17:53:20 GMT
grinningcat Hmmm, in rereading it maybe I was a little harsh sounding. I meant what I said though, even if I could have minced words a little more.
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The Birdhouse Lady
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 11, 2014 17:54:49 GMT
Sounds to me like they are treating you like a free restaurant. You should send the text and start planning the Thanksgiving that YOU want. Hope this year brings many happy memories. Be sure to update!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 11, 2014 17:55:46 GMT
Lord there are some harsh people. It is family. Two weeks before a holiday and you are going to disinvite everyone? Some of these suggestions are way over the top. Don't tell them and let them show up to an empty house? WTH? Who does that?? IMHO, cancelling a holiday 2 weeks prior, unless there is an emergency, is a total dick move. They are family. They are more important than your fricking glass and your fancy tablescape. Buy some paper plates, ask folks to bring stuff, and drink a glass of wine and chill out a little. If you want to cancel next year, do it early enough that people aren't left out in the cold. Happy Thanksgiving! I think two weeks is plenty of time for people to make other plans. After all, what do they do the OTHER 363 days of the year?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 11, 2014 17:57:05 GMT
Whopea, not exactly back at you, but in general how these things always seem to go. Men and children usually go off and relax/play and let the women clean up.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 11, 2014 18:03:07 GMT
Send out a text saying you will spend the holiday with your dad, kids, and grandkids. The rest of them are on their own. Feel no guilt. Amen!
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 11, 2014 18:03:59 GMT
Is this a standing invitation, i.e. are they already expecting a big Thanksgiving feast this year? Or do you do an actual invite/email? Just wondering if people were already expecting to be at your house.
I agree with others have said. If you still like getting together with family, lower your expectations and don't create stress for yourself. Ask others to bring a dish, pick up some catered food if it makes things easier, don't worry about the tablescapes, don't buy the gifts for the kids, use paper plates, etc. I don't think people will care and if they comment, just brush it off with a light comment or a direct "it was just too much work and I decided to cut back this year".
If you just don't enjoy any aspect of the holiday or would not be happy with a 'downgraded' celebration, then don't host at all (as long as it isn't backing out of a previous commitment). A simple "I am not hosting Thanksgiving this year. Wishing you all a wonderful holiday!".
And this isn't relevant to what you do moving forward, but I am curious if people offered to bring food in the past? I've read threads here where some hostesses don't want people bringing food and do it all themselves. If that happened in the early years, a precedent might've been set. I'm surprised that nobody has ever offered to help with either food or cleaning. I can see why it would become a burden.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Nov 11, 2014 18:04:21 GMT
Lord there are some harsh people. It is family. Two weeks before a holiday and you are going to disinvite everyone? Some of these suggestions are way over the top. Don't tell them and let them show up to an empty house? WTH? Who does that?? IMHO, cancelling a holiday 2 weeks prior, unless there is an emergency, is a total dick move. They are family. They are more important than your fricking glass and your fancy tablescape. Buy some paper plates, ask folks to bring stuff, and drink a glass of wine and chill out a little. If you want to cancel next year, do it early enough that people aren't left out in the cold. Happy Thanksgiving! I think 2 weeks is plenty of time to let them know that she is not hosting this year. You only have to give two weeks notice when you quit a job for cryin' out loud. We are talking a meal here. Two weeks is plenty of time for them to make other plans or pull a dinner together. I host Thanksgiving every year and haven't even begun any of my plans. I do not think it is a "dick move" at all.
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Post by creativegirl on Nov 11, 2014 18:04:46 GMT
I know that might seem silly but when I read posts like this I think back to all the times I just showed up, empty handed, and didn't help clean. It wasn't because I didn't want to do anything, I just felt awkward and like an outsider and while I offered to bring something and was told but to maybe I should have insisted. I understand how you feel. I have been invited to many Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and I always just show up. I think for me it is a two part thing. First, in my family growing up, guests are guests. We did not ask them to bring anything or clean up. They were our guests! They came, we ate, played games, then they went home. We did the same thing at their houses on other holidays. Second, every time I have asked what to bring I am told "oh nothing don't worry about it". So, I don't bring anything. Then I read threads like this and I feel really bad for not contributing! This past year I have quit asking and just show up with something. Usually something fun like cupcakes or a themed dessert. Then there is the clean up issue. Again, growing up, my mom was just as the OP described... in the kitchen cooking all day and then in the kitchen cleaning up all night. If anyone asked if she needed help she said it was faster for her to just do it herself. So we let her. Then one year she had a major freak out about no one helping and we didn't have a big holiday dinner for years! Anyway I guess the point of my post is that some of us just have received so many mixed messages we are really not sure how to act. Sending an email or making some phone calls telling people what you need done for the holidays shouldn't upset anyone. It is not too much to ask them to contribute and help, but they are not mind readers. I agree, 100%. I have spent way too many holiday dinners where the hostess refuses to ask for or accept help, then complains about doing it all herself. It's uncomfortable and unpleasant. Don't be that hostess. If you want to continue hosting these get togethers, speak up about what you need. If you don't want to host them, say so.
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Post by Prenticekid on Nov 11, 2014 18:20:31 GMT
If OP enjoyed hosting the dinners, I'd say make some of the changes people have mentioned and move forward.
However, the last part of the post about suddenly not giving gifts traditionally given to children and then hiding in the kitchen until people were gone, makes me think OP is just over it. So send a polite text saying that you are making other plans and so should they. It is somewhat close to the holidays, but withholding gifts from children last year may have already impacted your intended guest list when people received the message you were sending.
This is probably more of a S/O topic, but I can't help but wonder if OP martyred the entire holiday season over the years. I've seen this from women a lot. They decline offers of food in a persnickety way that tells the guests that their food is not welcome. Then they haughtily refuse kitchen/clean up help --- all so they can heave huge sighs and such. At first, people show gratitude, but after awhile it just gets plain tiresome and eye roll worthy. I have never been able to figure out what they get out of this.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 11, 2014 18:30:56 GMT
I really do want to send that text. Or better yet, how about "Since I only see you twice a year, we've moved. Have a happy holiday!" Gee, I'm really struggling with this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world that thinks this way. A little back story here... I started cooking Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner for my immediate family and extended family about 12 years ago. I think I took over when someone decided to serve sub sandwiches and BBB beans on china. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Who does that? Anyway, I offered to take the job over. So, for Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve I cook for 35+ people. Full dinner service with tablescapes that I go all out on. People bring their extended families, many never rsvp and no one except my dad and kids bring anything. There's no help in cleanup either from this extended group. Last year a group came an hour early since they were going to the movies. An hour early! Yeah they never rsvp'd and ate all the appetizers because the turkey wasn't done. I was still in my sweats and no where near ready for guests. They left dirty plates on the main table and actually ended up breaking one crystal goblet. To which I was told, oh well if you can afford that stuff... Never mind the fact that I saved for it and have bought pieces over the last 10 years are so. Over the years I've always purchased gifts for the kids that come. These extended families never bring for my grandkids, but for the other extended family. So last year I didn't give out gifts to them. Of course I didn't see the look on their faces because I spent the whole time doing dishes. By the time I was finished most of them had left. If you've followed me this far thanks. Actually as I reread this I should easily be able to send that text. This sounds like it could be one of DH's family events (hosted by his cousin, so DH falls into the extended family who brings his family category). As an outsider, I was always uncomfortable with the "we just show up and eat status", but everything was based on the previous years traditions. No formal invitations, so no RSVPs. I would help MIL make a number of dishes, but we technically never brought anything, it all was credited to MIL. The host's kitchen was tiny and only his mom, my MIL and another aunt were allowed to squeeze in and do any clean up. I don't think anyone should feel obligated to continue hosting a meal, especially if there is no joy in it for you.
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Post by nantini on Nov 11, 2014 19:31:00 GMT
Ok I sent the text. I'm just flabbergasted at one of the replies I got back.
So step sister says, oh no problem we were planning on doing something else here. So obviously I wasn't going to be invited to that.
I could kick myself.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Nov 11, 2014 19:36:53 GMT
I host that many for Thanksgiving. I got overwhelmed the first year by all the dishes. My dh's grandmother, in her 80's told me "Life is too short, why don't you just use paper plates for crying out loud". So every year since we decorate the table with kraft paper and burlap and paper plates. I'm not even kidding. The only dishes that get washed are the serving dishes and everyone brings potluck so they wash their big dish. If grandma, the matriarch doesn't care, then no one should. So if you want to keep hosting because you enjoy the people but not the work, take it down a few notches. You set a beautiful table, raindancer.
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Post by LeaP on Nov 11, 2014 19:40:49 GMT
Ok I sent the text. I'm just flabbergasted at one of the replies I got back. So step sister says, oh no problem we were planning on doing something else here. So obviously I wasn't going to be invited to that. I could kick myself. Good for you ! Now you can have a small holidays with family that actually appreciate you and enjoy yourself. Remember the Marney letter if you ever change your mind. ETA, the letter has me in stitches every time I read it.
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Post by oaksong on Nov 11, 2014 19:42:14 GMT
Ok I sent the text. I'm just flabbergasted at one of the replies I got back. So step sister says, oh no problem we were planning on doing something else here. So obviously I wasn't going to be invited to that. I could kick myself. Wow. Sorry, your feelings must be hurt. People can be so inconsiderate.
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Post by Sam on Nov 11, 2014 19:43:11 GMT
Ok I sent the text. I'm just flabbergasted at one of the replies I got back. So step sister says, oh no problem we were planning on doing something else here. So obviously I wasn't going to be invited to that. I could kick myself. Why kick yourself? It's the first affirmation that you did the right thing for you and that your instincts about some of your family members are spot on! Plus, remember, that's more than likely her passive-aggressive knock back at you and they didn't have anything planned, but she couldn't bring herself to say it. So, again, why kick yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 19:57:35 GMT
You know I think you hit the nail on the head canadianscrappergirl, I am not making the memories I want to make. I'm sending it out tomorrow in a group text. I know I'll get some pushback, but I need to stand firm. it's totally my fault for letting this get as bad as it has. Did I mention that once my stepmother threw up in my front yard because my food made her sick? Yeah, she played human blender with the cocktails. Those are memories I need to forget! Good for you for standing up for yourself. I did it years ago, held my ground against pushback and now my kids tell me the holidays are so much better. Those are the memories I prefer!
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Post by purplebee on Nov 11, 2014 19:59:39 GMT
Yep I would send an email or text (or both). Give your dad and your kids a heads up. They are taking advantage of you and will continue to do until you put a stop to it. Yep, no way would I ever do this again for 35+ ingrates. Invite your immediate family. Text the rest that Nantini's restaurant is now closed efective immediately, and mention that next year you would love to experience Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners at their homes, they can duke it out for the pleasure of your company over the coming year. You are the only one who can change this. It does not sound like an enjoyable holiday for you in ANY way, shape or form. Better yet - take your dh or SO and go on a cruise for the holidays. Sounds like time someone waited on you! Take action today, right now!! Good luck.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 20:18:31 GMT
Two weeks is plenty of time.
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Post by scrapnnana on Nov 11, 2014 20:19:37 GMT
Ok I sent the text. I'm just flabbergasted at one of the replies I got back. So step sister says, oh no problem we were planning on doing something else here. So obviously I wasn't going to be invited to that. I could kick myself. Why kick yourself? It's the first affirmation that you did the right thing for you and that your instincts about some of your family members are spot on! Plus, remember, that's more than likely her passive-aggressive knock back at you and they didn't have anything planned, but she couldn't bring herself to say it. So, again, why kick yourself? I agree with Sam. Enjoy your nice, quiet dinner with your own family, and don't worry about the ingrates.
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