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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:43:00 GMT
The more I think about this the more I am pissed off. How dare you say he had a point. Going back to ones room does not make unwanted advances on young girls and women okay. This reasoning is why women don't speak out. Sdeven you are perpetuating the issue and stigma surrounding rape and sexual abuse. But in the example cited, there was no rape reported. I have no idea if he's a scuzz rapist or not. I said "he has a point" because if you go to a hotel with an unknown man...I don't fault him for assuming there's likely to be some sex. I do fault him for rape, if that's the case. 100 percent. If you can't seaparate a man from a character he plays on TV you have a problem. if you accompany an unknown man to a hotel room...you shouldn't be surprised if things go south. Not right...but somewhat predictable. It bothers me that women can not have a conversation about rape without it being an all or none proposition. If you dare to express anything that's not vilifying the man and taking the woman's side just because she's a woman...heaven help you. Why can't someone say "I wasn't there, I don't know."? Still, all these years later, a woman can destroy a man w allegations and people are bound to say things like "where there's smoke there's bound to be fire"...it makes me ill that the premise of "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't seem to apply to rape. Carry on.
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Post by maryland on Nov 20, 2014 19:43:25 GMT
It was the eighties. They were all impaired by drugs. I don't think any of them know what the heck went on and I don't know why it behooves anyone to talk about it now. I just can't figure it out. No respect for Janice Dickenson. I get the impression she will jump on any bandwagon for five more minutes of fame. Thank you! I felt the same thing, but figured I would have been flamed for saying it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:53:12 GMT
No he doesn't. I can't believe a woman would say this. I am completely gobsmacked by that comment. Its thinking like this that stops women reporting sexual assaults. If other women can publicly state something like that then what chance do we ever really have of rape and sexual crimes being taken seriously? Wow, I really am astounded.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 19:55:21 GMT
It was the eighties. They were all impaired by drugs. I don't think any of them know what the heck went on and I don't know why it behooves anyone to talk about it now. I just can't figure it out. No respect for Janice Dickenson. I get the impression she will jump on any bandwagon for five more minutes of fame. Thank you! I felt the same thing, but figured I would have been flamed for saying it. lol...my point exactly.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 20, 2014 19:55:34 GMT
It was the eighties. They were all impaired by drugs. I don't think any of them know what the heck went on and I don't know why it behooves anyone to talk about it now. You tend to be 'impaired by drugs' when your rapist drugs you.
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Post by Olan on Nov 20, 2014 20:07:45 GMT
The more I think about this the more I am pissed off. How dare you say he had a point. Going back to ones room does not make unwanted advances on young girls and women okay. This reasoning is why women don't speak out. Sdeven you are perpetuating the issue and stigma surrounding rape and sexual abuse. But in the example cited, there was no rape reported. I have no idea if he's a scuzz rapist or not. I said "he has a point" because if you go to a hotel with an unknown man...I don't fault him for assuming there's likely to be some sex. I do fault him for rape, if that's the case. 100 percent. If you can't seaparate a man from a character he plays on TV you have a problem. if you accompany an unknown man to a hotel room...you shouldn't be surprised if things go south. Not right...but somewhat predictable. It bothers me that women can not have a conversation about rape without it being an all or none proposition. If you dare to express anything that's not vilifying the man and taking the woman's side just because she's a woman...heaven help you. Why can't someone say "I wasn't there, I don't know."? Still, all these years later, a woman can destroy a man w allegations and people are bound to say things like "where there's smoke there's bound to be fire"...it makes me ill that the premise of "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't seem to apply to rape. Carry on. Are you Bill Cosby's penis? A rape enthusiast? What?
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 20, 2014 20:08:44 GMT
I absolutely believe the women. Ever since the first allegations came out years ago, I have looked at him differently. Accusing someone of rape is a devastating thing to go through, and as a result I tend to believe those who have the courage to speak up.
And, I don't watch reality TV, I don't know anything about Janice Dickinson other than she was a model in the 80s? Right? But, all of this "Oh, I believe all of the OTHER women, but not Janice Dickinson because she is just jumping on the bandwagon" talk is seriously ticking me off. WHO WANTS TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON OF BEING RAPED BY BILL COSBY?? Nobody. Ever. Just because you think she is crazy today doesn't mean that she couldn't have been a victim 30 years ago. Are rape victims only believable if you like them?
Seriously, I'm ashamed of some of you. Sheesh, now I sound like my mother or something, shaking my finger at you. But, HONESTLY. She had the guts to come forward AND use her name and how does this benefit her in anyway??? IT DOESN'T. It puts her under public scrutiny for people to call her a liar and an attention whore when she was a victim of rape. That is unbelievably crappy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 20:09:51 GMT
As it happens, I do know at least 1 woman who has lied about child molestation in order to get the advantage in the divorce child custody case.
The person in question went immediately to get a lie detector test...passed with flying colors, and after many months, and after many months, many character witnesses, etc., was able to see his girls without supervision.
It was very devastating for him & his family.
There are people who will stop at nothing to get what they want...whether it's the advantage in a child custody case or simply publicity.
I don't as a rule believe or disbelieve cases until I've heard all the facts.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Nov 20, 2014 20:10:30 GMT
When I first heard this I was totally shocked. Then I heard there was a civil suit in 2006 that involved a woman and about a dozen other women came forward to help her case. There was a settlement. And this is the first time I heard of this. Was this reported widely back then? Maybe I just was not paying attention. And never was this brought up in any discussions I've had with people over the years about Bill Cosby. Now that I have read about the civil suit, I am more inclined not to be shocked.
I do understand how a popular person can seem different than in their personal life. My husband met one who is Canadian. The guy had his own talk show at the time and we enjoyed watching it. He was to host Canada Day celebrations that my husband was in charge of. He was brought in by a politician. This guy was known for his jokes and was expected to do some inbetween acts. There was a mis communication because he thought he would only be introducing acts. And was not happy when told what he was suppose to also be doing. He didn't handle it well at all. My husband had to grit his teeth as this guy who thought he was a King also treated his staff like crap. I really wasn't surprised that his talk show was dropped and shuffled to another channel where it didn't last long. I don't think he was a nice person to work with.
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 20, 2014 20:11:36 GMT
I was nearly raped when I was very young, a friend literally saved me by pulling him off of me. I didn't report it, because he was so popular, engaged, everyone's favorite person. I had been drinking and felt guilty for flirting with him all night. I have always regretted not reporting him because he was definitely capable of violent sexual assault. Who knows who may have suffered at his hands after me?
That said, I'm still skeptical about this. Even if Bill Cosby cheated on his wife, wasn't the perfect man he showed in interviews, and has a giant ego I'm not convinced he did what he's accused of now. If he is, I pray that he pays for his crimes and comes clean so his victims can have some closure and be believed. But why now? And what is the most recent allegation? Wouldn't a woman in that world be confident enough to come forward and stand on her own before waiting to join a dozen others, if she were truly raped and victimized. And why do the stories keep changing, including one that said she kept going back to him (thought I read this somewhere). When did this "serial rapist" stop offending, or did he? And if he didn't where are those women. If police can't convict him then I don't think he should be tried, convicted, and buried alive by the media. Until he's proven guilty I don't think his shows should be pulled or canceled. Anyone can accuse, anyone can point a finger.
I hate that women are hurt so often and not believed. I hate the fear they may have felt, and the unspeakable pain they may have carried. I hate that all of this may be true because I'm a fan of Bill Cosby and want to still believe good guys like him aren't evil underneath. I want him to pay for his crimes if he is guilty. I'm baffled by some of this and I don't know what to believe. I hope the truth will come out very soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 20:13:45 GMT
I believe the women. Seriously, I can see doubting one or two stories, but that many? Not likely. That's where I'm at right now too. It's very disappointing. My brother and I listened to his record "To Russell My Brother Who I Slept With" dozens of times when we were growing up. I wasn't much of a "Cosby Show" fan.....when that was on television, I was too busy being 20 something and not watching a lot of television.
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Post by MommyofTriplets on Nov 20, 2014 20:17:07 GMT
Tangential to the rape accusations, I was amazed by his manipulation of the reporter he most recently spoke to. The man asked about the accusations, BC made his usual "we don't talk about that" statement, and then went on to ask the producer not to use the footage. The reporter said he'd have to talk to his editor and BC starts in with "well, if you want to be taken seriously as a reporter, you won't use that footage. No one will respect you."
It was so very creepy that he just turned on this guy and very quietly started to try to persuade him by preying on his emotions. Very, very creepy.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 20, 2014 20:18:01 GMT
I absolutely believe the women. Ever since the first allegations came out years ago, I have looked at him differently. Accusing someone of rape is a devastating thing to go through, and as a result I tend to believe those who have the courage to speak up. And, I don't watch reality TV, I don't know anything about Janice Dickinson other than she was a model in the 80s? Right? But, all of this "Oh, I believe all of the OTHER women, but not Janice Dickinson because she is just jumping on the bandwagon" talk is seriously ticking me off. WHO WANTS TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON OF BEING RAPED BY BILL COSBY?? Nobody. Ever. Just because you think she is crazy today doesn't mean that she couldn't have been a victim 30 years ago. Are rape victims only believable if you like them? Seriously, I'm ashamed of some of you. Sheesh, now I sound like my mother or something, shaking my finger at you. But, HONESTLY. She had the guts to come forward AND use her name and how does this benefit her in anyway??? IT DOESN'T. It puts her under public scrutiny for people to call her a liar and an attention whore when she was a victim of rape. That is unbelievably crappy. OMG some of you guys seriously need to calm down. A) I used to watch Janice's crazy ass model show back in the early 2K. She was NUTSO. Seriously, a big fat crazy, cruel, mean liar on her own reality show. B) When I posted that I didn't know if she were telling the truth or not, I hadn't read anything else about her accusing BC in the past. I didn't know about her book, I didn't know about her interview on Howard Stern. C) We are posting our opinions and thoughts as this news is still breaking. Opinions are going to change as the facts come out. I like you Mary but damn.
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 20, 2014 20:21:04 GMT
I think all these women are incredibly brave for bringing this to light.
I took sdeven's comment as going back to a hotel room puts you (as a woman) at a disadvantage and that can be dangerous. To me, that has nothing to do with people saying "she asked for it". Not at ALL. It simply means her judgement in going to his room was not smart.
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 20, 2014 20:23:53 GMT
I like you, too, Yvonne... But, damn. I didn't even remember that you had been one to specifically doubt her. After reading 4 pages of "I believe all of them, but not HER." talk, it kind of made me a little stabby.
As a victim of sexual abuse, for sure, this topic gets me fired up. Because I have been told that I was lying about the abuse, and it makes me crazy to see the same thing happen to other victims. So, yeah. Lots of anger surrounding this topic, for sure.
I still maintain that believing every other victim except her is BS.
Disagree if you like, but I think it's crappy.
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 20, 2014 20:31:00 GMT
Tangential to the rape accusations, I was amazed by his manipulation of the reporter he most recently spoke to. The man asked about the accusations, BC made his usual "we don't talk about that" statement, and then went on to ask the producer not to use the footage. The reporter said he'd have to talk to his editor and BC starts in with "well, if you want to be taken seriously as a reporter, you won't use that footage. No one will respect you." It was so very creepy that he just turned on this guy and very quietly started to try to persuade him by preying on his emotions. Very, very creepy. Here is a compilation of all the current information, including that particular interview.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Nov 20, 2014 20:32:55 GMT
There are just too many women saying the same thing to discredit them. Over the years I remember allegations being made. Even if these women fully intended to have sex with him, slipping someone a drug and having sex with them while they are unconscious is not consensual, it's rape.
Predators who are powerful people or celebrities get away with this behavior for years, Jerry Sandusky comes to mind.
I don't feel sorry for his wife, she has known about and enabled this behavior for years and continues to do so today.
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 20, 2014 20:34:53 GMT
I feel the truth has been coming out for years and no one believed it.
Janice Dickinson clearly has many issues, but she tried to claim this all before and was silenced. I believe it happened.
My guess is the young show actresses weren't molested and want nothing to do with allegations they have no part in.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 20, 2014 20:37:49 GMT
I like you, too, Yvonne... But, damn. I didn't even remember that you had been one to specifically doubt her. After reading 4 pages of "I believe all of them, but not HER." talk, it kind of made me a little stabby. As a victim of sexual abuse, for sure, this topic gets me fired up. Because I have been told that I was lying about the abuse, and it makes me crazy to see the same thing happen to other victims. So, yeah. Lots of anger surrounding this topic, for sure. I still maintain that believing every other victim except her is BS. Disagree if you like, but I think it's crappy. I heart you Mary, and I hear what you are saying and I see it from your point. My initial post was a knee jerk on what I knew about Janice. I'm sorry you were hurt, I get what you are saying, and you are right. <3
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 20, 2014 20:39:52 GMT
Again, I think those kind of tactics by him and his legal team have worked for all these years.
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Post by elaine on Nov 20, 2014 20:39:43 GMT
Famous people, in this case Bill Cosby, can't just hang out in a bar or night club and socialize because of all the media and other attention. They also tend to have hotel suites - set up like apartments, rather than the one room with a bed that takes up most of the space that you and I stay in. It isn't uncommon for celebrities to hang out with others in the sitting room of their hotel suite, just like you hang out in your friends' family rooms, simply to escape the public, not to go have orgies.
Saying that by going back to Cosby's room, a woman should have known what was going to happen is akin to saying that anytime you go over to a man's house you should know that he expects sex.
Rape isn't about sex, it is about power and domination. If Cosby simply wanted sex, I'm sure that there were plenty of women who would have willingly had it with him with no argument. But he, if all is true, repeatedly drugged YOUNG women and then violated them. No one should expect that in any circumstance.
If it happened to a bevy of young men, instead of women, I think people would be much less likely to blame the victim under the flimsy excuses that they should have known, or that they must have asked for it. As a society, we are so quick to blame women for men being unable to control themselves.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Nov 20, 2014 20:45:31 GMT
Didn't one of the young actresses on The Cosby Show leave suddenly? The second oldest daughter? I'm wondering if something happened between them and she felt she had to leave at the time. I think her name was Lisa Bonet.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 20, 2014 20:53:01 GMT
I thought Janice Dickinson was credible when I heard an old Howard Stern interview where she referred to Bill Cosby as a bad man. That came from somewhere. This! ^^ she was promoting her book I believe at the time and she wanted to write about what happened with Bill Cosby and the publisher wouldn't allow it due to being scared about lawsuits. So Howard brought that up (not knowing what exactly JD was going to write in regards to BC) and she just went on how he was a bad man and preys on young girls. I truly believe she was assaulted and that may be part of why she is a hot mess. I also believe the there are others. I grew up watching The Cosby Show. It's still one of my favorite shows and I'm shocked he would do this..he always seemed like even in his personal life he was always about helping others. I had not heard this. I might not like Janice Dickinson but this seems to make her accusations believable. I will say, she is fighting the boy who cried wolf, which is a separate issue than Bill Cosby's issues.
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Post by knit.pea on Nov 20, 2014 21:12:20 GMT
Link to 2Link to 19The sad thing is a number of these women either actually did eventually have a consensual relationship with him or accepted money from him. Doubt that info would win a case. But 21 known women ... can't sweep it under the rug now. He's 77, maybe getting a little sloppy with his comments ... but it's way past proving it, of course.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 20, 2014 21:14:09 GMT
I think, for me at least, is the conflict between what my head believes and what my heart wants to believe. I just don't want to believe that the lovable Bill Cosby was this type of man. I remember watching him on the Cosby Show and also the kids show Picture Pages.
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Post by mzza111 on Nov 20, 2014 21:34:08 GMT
I thought Janice Dickinson was credible when I heard an old Howard Stern interview where she referred to Bill Cosby as a bad man. That came from somewhere. This! ^^ she was promoting her book I believe at the time and she wanted to write about what happened with Bill Cosby and the publisher wouldn't allow it due to being scared about lawsuits. So Howard brought that up (not knowing what exactly JD was going to write in regards to BC) and she just went on how he was a bad man and preys on young girls. I truly believe she was assaulted and that may be part of why she is a hot mess. I also believe the there are others. I grew up watching The Cosby Show. It's still one of my favorite shows and I'm shocked he would do this..he always seemed like even in his personal life he was always about helping others. In light of all these new accusations, this week Howard replayed the Janice Dickinson interview from 2006. I missed it but it's probably on YouTube.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Nov 20, 2014 21:51:32 GMT
I believe the women. Collectively, the women have a very loud voice that is very clear. It's sad all around.
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Post by M~ on Nov 20, 2014 22:22:39 GMT
I'm really not surprised. BC is a Hollywood legend. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I'm neutral about the Cosby Show, etc. He's a talented artist, nothing more and nothing less. Just because you're talented at x doesn't mean that you are exempt from being a piece of shit human being.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Nov 20, 2014 22:44:46 GMT
He struck me as skeezy when I watched I SPY reruns as a kid but his character Cliff Huxtable was hard not to like. I did feel something was off about the Lisa Bonet leaving the show thing. I'd even say that at times the actress who played the oldest girl didn't seem terribly comfortable on camera with him either. And I know he's not been accused of impropriety with younger girls but I stopped watching the Cosby Show when he spent so much time with little Raven-Simone in his lap. Some news site was playing a clip of it again the other day and it still creeped me out. But where he really lost me was with the whole illegitimate daughter business a few years ago. Clearly he'd cheated on Camille and wasn't the devoted husband and family man of his image.
So you take man who had been known to cheat before, add in the attitude and ego he has long been rumored to have, his apparent strong-arming of the press, and the other factors like young naive fans and it seems like a powder keg. One that doesn't seem at all shocking when you start putting it together. Odds are once he started "getting away with it" he saw no reason to stop.
As for the statement about what did the girls expect going to his room: if I were one of those girls I would've blamed myself for my stupidity forever and I would know that everyone else I knew would blame me too. I'd never want to talk about it so the fact that they are is amazing and empowering, assuming they are all being honest. It's really too easy to say, "well, what did you expect going to a man's room?" It's wrong to say it to someone, to think it about anyone. But sometimes I can't stop that thought, like a foul reflex it just pops up sometimes. So then I have to remember going to a strange male's room, no matter who he is, might be "asking for trouble" but just because they "asked for it" didn't mean he had to give it.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Nov 20, 2014 23:20:15 GMT
He struck me as skeezy when I watched I SPY reruns as a kid but his character Cliff Huxtable was hard not to like. I did feel something was off about the Lisa Bonet leaving the show thing. I'd even say that at times the actress who played the oldest girl didn't seem terribly comfortable on camera with him either. And I know he's not been accused of impropriety with younger girls but I stopped watching the Cosby Show when he spent so much time with little Raven-Simone in his lap. Some news site was playing a clip of it again the other day and it still creeped me out. But where he really lost me was with the whole illegitimate daughter business a few years ago. Clearly he'd cheated on Camille and wasn't the devoted husband and family man of his image. I always thought it was weird how Lisa Bonet and the oldest daughter on the show left. After hearing all these allegations I been wondering the same thing.
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