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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 23, 2022 23:47:04 GMT
This morning I was reading an article on FB about a town in my state that is implementing a rule that backpacks and phones must be left in lockers. Many comments were in support of the policy, but many others were parents going crazy over the idea that phones wouldn't be available in case of emergency, kids wouldn't be able to carry all of their books, girls wouldn't be able to have their feminine hygiene products handy, etc. My district is also starting this policy and I am really curious how people will react. I personally am just fine with it. I get the security concerns, but I think that the daily distraction that phones cause is more likely an issue than the rare occurrence that a student has an emergency. I also remember having to carry books or go to my locker to get them (back when we actually had books for all classes) and somehow managed my period as well.
Then, my mom texted me and said that my cousin was arrested yesterday after making a threat on facebook regarding his son's school saying that parents couldn't walk their kids to the classroom on the first day of school. Is that a common thing? I have never considered trying to do this, and it sounds like a nightmare for the school for a number of reasons. If this is a new policy for them I could see why they would implement it.
Between these topics and book bans, dress code rules, and who knows what else, it seems that someone is always outraged about something the school does these days. What are the issues in your school district? For teachers...has this really worsened in recent years or has it always been this way and we just didn't hear about it?
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 23, 2022 23:55:44 GMT
Leaving phones in lockers would be a bad idea at my kids schools. It was too easy to break into the lockers. Leaving books in the lockers would also be a logistical nightmare at their jr high and high school...campuses are too large and the 5 minute break between classes doesn't give the kids time to go from one class to their locker to the next class. My dd's junior high also didn't have lockers, you had to carry everything in your backpack.
I do think the consequences for being on your phone in class needs to be more uniformly enforced. Some of my kids teachers didn't seem to care at all. Same with things like the dress code. School rules said fingertip length for skirts/shorts but you could walk past the vice principal in short shorts and nothing was said. Personally, I'm not a fan of most dress code rules, but if you are going to have the rules, enforce them.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 23, 2022 23:56:22 GMT
Short answer: Yes. People be batshit since COVID. They’re so bound and determined to keep their “rights” that belligerent assholes have lost their common sense, and they have to shout how stupid they are from the rooftops.
Long answer: As long as the students have enough time between classes and the bathrooms have feminine hygiene products available for free, I don’t have an issue with it. But, to be fair, I don’t think the phones are any more of a distraction than the laptops they have.
ETA: lol because my short and long answers are basically the same length.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 24, 2022 0:01:50 GMT
Are purses allowed? My dd always had a purse with her feminine products inside. Who wants to take their entire backpack to the restroom while in class?
I don't see the safety aspect of leaving bags in a locker. Kids can still stash illegal items in said bag and grab it between classes. Seems like a false sense of security. 🤷♀️ I mean unless they all go through metal detectors...
As far as phone, my husband has good control of usage during class. I can see it being beneficial if stupid videos are taken or privacy is at risk.
BUT if there is an emergency, kids should have access to their devices to contact parents.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 24, 2022 0:01:57 GMT
Yes people have become unhinged. They are angry and have no filter when expressing their anger. And time and time again they are exposed to other angry people who have outbursts without penalty, so they feel like it's ok to act like as@holes.
With that said, students should have their phones on them. This country can't seem to stop mass shootings in school. I want every student to have a phone so they can call for help, if needed.
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Post by stingfan on Aug 24, 2022 0:05:22 GMT
At my kids' MS, the asst principal told the kids that phones have to stay in lockers. The principal told them he didn't care if they carried them, he just didn't want to see them. So mixed messages from the top don't help.
My kids will keep their phones on them. Given the school shootings that are all too common, I think they really should have them for emergencies.
They're also not allowed to carry backpacks throughout the day.
I've never seen a school that had free period stuff for girls. My dd keeps hers in a pouch in her binder. It basically looks like a pencil bag.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 0:11:25 GMT
Are purses allowed? My dd always had a purse with her feminine products inside. Who wants to take their entire backpack to the restroom while in class? I don't see the safety aspect of leaving bags in a locker. Kids can still stash illegal items in said bag and grab it between classes. Seems like a false sense of security. 🤷♀️ I mean unless they all go through metal detectors... As far as phone, my husband has good control of usage during class. I can see it being beneficial if stupid videos are taken or privacy is at risk. BUT if there is an emergency, kids should have access to their devices to contact parents. I'm not sure about the MS in my district, but in the one that I was reading about they weren't allowed. I think a pocket or pencil case would suffice? In addition to gun safety/contraband, I have heard that having backpacks in the room is a problem because they block the walk ways.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 24, 2022 0:12:55 GMT
We had a 7 hr school board meeting last night.
The board banned the use of “preferred pronouns,” everyone will be called by the pronouns assigned at birth.
Banned CRT.
Eliminated the Scholastic Book Fair (too many woke books).
Made strict rules about which bathrooms people can use because girls will get raped if trans people can choose which bathroom to use.
Eliminated GT classes.
The room was filled with people wearing tshirts that said “Patriot Mob” and more than one speaker used the word “woketards.”
So, yes, they’ve lost their minds.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 0:19:45 GMT
We had a 7 hr school board meeting last night. The board banned the use of “preferred pronouns,” everyone will be called by the pronouns assigned at birth. Banned CRT. Eliminated the Scholastic Book Fair (too many woke books). Made strict rules about which bathrooms people can use because girls will get raped if trans people can choose which bathroom to use. Eliminated GT classes. The room was filled with people wearing tshirts that said “Patriot Mob” and more than one speaker used the word “woketards.” So, yes, they’ve lost their minds. It really is crazy. I have been living in ignorant bliss and not looking at the FB page of our local anti-woke parent group, but last week someone shared a post from them that said that now the word "excellence" is not ok with CRT advocates, so they wonder if the school board will change the mission statement, which has the word "excellence" in it. Manufactured outrage. This isn't the first I have heard of schools eliminating the book fair or book orders. How is that ok? Can't they just not order the books that they don't agree with?
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 24, 2022 0:34:27 GMT
With that said, students should have their phones on them. This country can't seem to stop mass shootings in school. I want every student to have a phone so they can call for help, if needed. This is sadly true.
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Post by ~Sherri~ on Aug 24, 2022 0:35:41 GMT
The school system here built a new high school a couple years ago. They did not put in lockers. Not allowing backpacks would not be a good idea here. The kids carry two and 3 backpacks full of books and sporting equipment. It's all I can do to pick up DGD's backpack. It is packed full. She also packs lunch and carries her lunch with her all day as well. Phones are not allowed to be used and without lockers, no idea of where to put them. DGD, who is a junior, uses her iPhone watch more than her phone. I think one teacher had some kind of case/tote he required students to put phones in while in his class.
My grandson just started 8th grade and was so excited to finally get a locker. He is special ed and doesn't have a lot of books. He does carry a phone but he keeps it on airplane mode. H
I am glad my grandkids have a phone. It gives me peace of mind knowing they can call me in an emergency.
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 24, 2022 0:35:56 GMT
I've never seen a school that had free period stuff for girls. My dd keeps hers in a pouch in her binder. It basically looks like a pencil bag. My state (Utah) has made it mandatory in all k-12 schools, effective a couple of months ago. Frankly, it should be available in every public bathroom, just like toilet paper.
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Post by ~summer~ on Aug 24, 2022 0:36:59 GMT
We had a 7 hr school board meeting last night. The board banned the use of “preferred pronouns,” everyone will be called by the pronouns assigned at birth. Banned CRT. Eliminated the Scholastic Book Fair (too many woke books). Made strict rules about which bathrooms people can use because girls will get raped if trans people can choose which bathroom to use. Eliminated GT classes. The room was filled with people wearing tshirts that said “Patriot Mob” and more than one speaker used the word “woketards.” So, yes, they’ve lost their minds. omg.
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Post by Jili on Aug 24, 2022 0:41:01 GMT
I work for an elementary district and thankfully, the grand majority of people are quite reasonable. I have heard that it's pretty bad over at my local high school, where my own children attended. The BOE meetings are full of the patriot types and they have an issue with everything.
About not being able to walk your child to class on the first day.... I've worked in the schools for 30 years. That's never been a thing, ever. If there are complaints, I haven't heard them. The students have the chance to do a brief 'meet the teacher' before the first day of school where they can come in with their parents and drop off their school supplies and say hello. On the first day, it's staff only. I can't imagine the chaos of parents walking the halls, other students getting dropped off, and trying to get students off the buses and to the correct classrooms. It's just not safe. We need to be accountable for every one of the students.
For years, parents were allowed to attend the classroom Halloween parties. It was horrible. There were rooms you couldn't even walk in, there were so many people. At that point there was no way to run organized activities and it was no longer about the students. It was a bunch of parents standing around talking in every available space. Now, we do Halloween first thing in the day, so the students don't have to wait all day for the festivities. There's an outdoor parade that parents can come to watch on our fields. Then, students head inside for a party with their classes, facilitated by room parents and assisted by teachers. By 10:15, it's pretty much over and we go about the regular school day. Students and staff may keep their costumes on all day if they wish, and many do. It is so much better this way, and I believe parents have gotten used to it and for the most part stopped grumbling.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 0:41:46 GMT
The school system here built a new high school a couple years ago. They did not put in lockers. Not allowing backpacks would not be a good idea here. The kids carry two and 3 backpacks full of books and sporting equipment. It's all I can do to pick up DGD's backpack. It is packed full. She also packs lunch and carries her lunch with her all day as well. Phones are not allowed to be used and without lockers, no idea of where to put them. DGD, who is a junior, uses her iPhone watch more than her phone. I think one teacher had some kind of case/tote he required students to put phones in while in his class. My grandson just started 8th grade and was so excited to finally get a locker. He is special ed and doesn't have a lot of books. He does carry a phone but he keeps it on airplane mode. H I am glad my grandkids have a phone. It gives me peace of mind knowing they can call me in an emergency. I would assume that a school that doesn't have lockers wouldn't implement a no backpacks in class policy. In my son's school they do have full-sized lockers, although in the high school (built four years ago) the lockers are very, very small and not practical at all. I don't know what they were thinking. You could hardly even put a coat in there. They do have lockers in the locker room for athletes to put their things in. It doesn't really seem safe or practical to have all of those backpacks in a classroom. In the past phones were not supposed to be out in class, and I assume that wasn't working out well since they are now saying they need to be in lockers. I would be ok with them being put in a shoe holder or something when walking into a classroom, but understand that could be difficult for teachers. However, they are still going to be the phone police if people listen to their parents who don't want them to follow the rules, or they know there isn't parental support for the rules.
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Post by breetheflea on Aug 24, 2022 0:42:20 GMT
Our schools don't have lockers. The middle school was built without them, and the high school tore them out...
I have an issue with the school not letting parents in to walk their kids to class on the first day, mostly because when we were new to the school my kids (1st and 3rd grade) had no idea where they were supposed to go. I eventually managed to flag down someone that looked kind of like a teacher out on the playground...
My 3rd grader this year has not been in his school building since kindergarten, and will be in a different 'pod.' I'm a little uneasy about just leaving him at the door next Tuesday...
Since COVID the parents in my district have lost their minds. The school board meetings have been insane...
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 0:46:21 GMT
Our schools don't have lockers. The middle school was built without them, and the high school tore them out... I have an issue with the school not letting parents in to walk their kids to class on the first day, mostly because when we were new to the school my kids (1st and 3rd grade) had no idea where they were supposed to go. I eventually managed to flag down someone that looked kind of like a teacher out on the playground... My 3rd grader this year has not been in his school building since kindergarten, and will be in a different 'pod.' I'm a little uneasy about just leaving him at the door next Tuesday... Since COVID the parents in my district have lost their minds. The school board meetings have been insane... Does your school have an open house or meet the parent night? Our intermediate/primary schools are doing this in conference format this year but typically it is an evening the week before school starts. This is when you can walk through the school, talk to the teacher, find their classroom and lockers, etc.
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Post by Merge on Aug 24, 2022 0:51:14 GMT
I've never seen a school that had free period stuff for girls. My dd keeps hers in a pouch in her binder. It basically looks like a pencil bag. My state (Utah) has made it mandatory in all k-12 schools, effective a couple of months ago. Frankly, it should be available in every public bathroom, just like toilet paper. Generally not available here, but one of the service clubs at my kids' former high school collects donations of feminine products and makes sure they are available in the bathrooms at their own high school as well as several surrounding ones. And being the "woketards" that they are (JFC, what a term), they put products in some of the boys' bathrooms as well.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 24, 2022 0:51:51 GMT
Having been at a school where there was an emergency, I have a very strong opinion about not allowing kids to have their devices. I would not ever go "crazy" about anything the way that people seem to be doing these days but I absolutely would pull my kids from attending public school in that situation. Until they fix the gun problem in this country. I think it is criminally negligent to tell kids they can't have access to their phones.
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Post by Merge on Aug 24, 2022 0:53:34 GMT
We had a 7 hr school board meeting last night. The board banned the use of “preferred pronouns,” everyone will be called by the pronouns assigned at birth. Banned CRT. Eliminated the Scholastic Book Fair (too many woke books). Made strict rules about which bathrooms people can use because girls will get raped if trans people can choose which bathroom to use. Eliminated GT classes. The room was filled with people wearing tshirts that said “Patriot Mob” and more than one speaker used the word “woketards.” So, yes, they’ve lost their minds. Eliminated GT classes? Why? Do you have any sense of whether the 'patriot mob' folks were actual district parents or just a bunch of political activists?
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 24, 2022 1:05:34 GMT
Our school has two entrances open every morning. All kids must go through these entrances, and parents are not allowed in (just like with Covid). Teachers used to stand at their door (to the outside of the school) and let kids in. Ever since Uvalde, it was decided to have fewer doors open. Every morning parents are so very angry about it. They want mini conferences with the teachers in the mornings. Some can't be bothered to make a phone call or text and each teacher has several ways to be contacted.
We have three teachers at each door to help kids get to their classrooms or take notes or concerns to parents if needed. Parents are also allowed to go through the front door after they have been identified if they need to talk with the office.
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Post by Merge on Aug 24, 2022 1:07:49 GMT
Fortunately, not yet. It’s worth pointing out that many of our schools don’t even have a library with books in it. We have trouble keeping bathrooms functioning and in good repair in many schools. I suppose most parents here think we have bigger things to worry about than made-up scare mongering about transgender kids and “woke” literature.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 24, 2022 1:09:09 GMT
We had a 7 hr school board meeting last night. The board banned the use of “preferred pronouns,” everyone will be called by the pronouns assigned at birth. Banned CRT. Eliminated the Scholastic Book Fair (too many woke books). Made strict rules about which bathrooms people can use because girls will get raped if trans people can choose which bathroom to use. Eliminated GT classes. The room was filled with people wearing tshirts that said “Patriot Mob” and more than one speaker used the word “woketards.” So, yes, they’ve lost their minds. Eliminated GT classes? Why? Do you have any sense of whether the 'patriot mob' folks were actual district parents or just a bunch of political activists? There were several reasons given for eliminating GT classes. One was teacher shortage and one was budget cuts (god forbid we cut from the athletic budget instead of the academic budget). Most of the people were parents (meeting rules state that when you speak you have to give your name, say whether you are a resident of the district, and whether you have students attending the district in your household - I think those are good rules). My DH’s district also eliminated GT classes as well as ESL classes (we live in a different district than where he works), so that seems to be a common thing around here. His district said there aren’t enough teachers to have separate classes, so all classes will be combined into one. He even had to go to a special training before Meet the Teacher night to learn the district script for ESL parents upset their class had been eliminated and white parents upset ESL kids are in their kids’ classes (and yes he got several of those confrontations).
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Aug 24, 2022 1:15:20 GMT
I've never seen a school that had free period stuff for girls. My dd keeps hers in a pouch in her binder. It basically looks like a pencil bag. My state (Utah) has made it mandatory in all k-12 schools, effective a couple of months ago. Frankly, it should be available in every public bathroom, just like toilet paper. That seems uncharacteristically progressive for Utah.
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Post by Merge on Aug 24, 2022 1:26:53 GMT
Eliminated GT classes? Why? Do you have any sense of whether the 'patriot mob' folks were actual district parents or just a bunch of political activists? There were several reasons given for eliminating GT classes. One was teacher shortage and one was budget cuts (god forbid we cut from the athletic budget instead of the academic budget). Most of the people were parents (meeting rules state that when you speak you have to give your name, say whether you are a resident of the district, and whether you have students attending the district in your household - I think those are good rules). My DH’s district also eliminated GT classes as well as ESL classes (we live in a different district than where he works), so that seems to be a common thing around here. His district said there aren’t enough teachers to have separate classes, so all classes will be combined into one. He even had to go to a special training before Meet the Teacher night to learn the district script for ESL parents upset their class had been eliminated and white parents upset ESL kids are in their kids’ classes (and yes he got several of those confrontations). Oh wow. ESL/ELL kids are so common here that every class is an ESL class - we’re all required to be ESL certified. Same for GT in K-5. Middle and high schools still have leveled classes, for now, at least in some schools. Do parents in your part of the state show any frustration about Republicans’ underfunding of our schools as the reason for the budget cuts?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 24, 2022 1:32:56 GMT
@merge and myshelly where is Clay County, Texas? When I was looking at my cousins Facebook page this morning I saw this post. Seems that it is a real post from the sheriffs department in that county. Wondering what part of the state that is?
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Post by gizzy on Aug 24, 2022 1:33:32 GMT
It's been many years since my kids were bringing home Scholastic book order forms. Have they really gotten to that point that it needs to be banned?
And are we really wanting to play towards the lowest IQ in our society and do away with GT classes? What was it I read about putin saying he didn't need to do anything from the outside to bring us down, he could do it from the inside?
ETA: I just saw the reply why they cut those classes.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 24, 2022 1:34:41 GMT
@merge and myshelly where is Clay County, Texas? When I was looking at my cousins Facebook page this morning I saw this post. Seems that it is a real post from the sheriffs department in that county. Wondering what part of the state that is? Clay County is North Texas, along the Oklahoma border
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 24, 2022 1:36:59 GMT
I heard on the news that one local school district (somewhere in southern California) will require clear backpacks. If you can't get one, one will be provided. I hope that school does the thing where they have a 'class set of books' and each student has the same 'take home' version - so that they don't have to carry them around all the time, because I doubt those plastic things are very sturdy.
Our local school board meetings get fussy over nepotism, related to contracts for school improvement projects (contracts being given to friends/family, donors, etc.). You know, normal, run of the mill corruption.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 24, 2022 1:38:42 GMT
There were several reasons given for eliminating GT classes. One was teacher shortage and one was budget cuts (god forbid we cut from the athletic budget instead of the academic budget). Most of the people were parents (meeting rules state that when you speak you have to give your name, say whether you are a resident of the district, and whether you have students attending the district in your household - I think those are good rules). My DH’s district also eliminated GT classes as well as ESL classes (we live in a different district than where he works), so that seems to be a common thing around here. His district said there aren’t enough teachers to have separate classes, so all classes will be combined into one. He even had to go to a special training before Meet the Teacher night to learn the district script for ESL parents upset their class had been eliminated and white parents upset ESL kids are in their kids’ classes (and yes he got several of those confrontations). Oh wow. ESL/ELL kids are so common here that every class is an ESL class - we’re all required to be ESL certified. Same for GT in K-5. Middle and high schools still have leveled classes, for now, at least in some schools. Do parents in your part of the state show any frustration about Republicans’ underfunding of our schools as the reason for the budget cuts? DH’s school tried to tell the parents that every teacher would get GT certified, so every class would be GT, but the teachers, including DH, are refusing to do it unless they get paid to get the certification. I guess we’ll see how that plays out this year. If you’re eliminating classes because of a teacher shortage, perhaps you shouldn’t piss off the ones you have left. Honestly, I don’t hear a lot about the budget cuts. The fights over pronouns and books are drowning out everything else.
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